After her triumph on stage in Born Yesterday, she was unknown on the screen so they were going to give her role to a famous actress, Kate Hepburn is the one who fought for Judt and brought her out to Hollywood to be screen tested. What a screen test! She did a comic role in Hepburn & Tracy's movie 'Adam Rib" that was unforgettable. Hepburn showed the rushes to the studio bosses and THAT was her screen test!

Ashoodle I love his laughs in a particular episode with Groucho Marx. Real belly laughs!!

I love John Daly! They don’t make um like they used to!

I agree, but here name was Judy Holliday* with two "l"s.

She was so adorable!!!💕

Steve Ember What a wonderful memory!

Thank you so much! Such style they all had!

Steve Ember - So fun!! Good for you.

A wonderful memory for sure. I love this program!

Gosh, what a wonderful memory! Do you remember how they were when there was a commercial break? Did they talk together with each other? They seemed like they really enjoyed one another. 💕

I should think she was filming the great ''It Should Happen to You'' during this broadcast. It was also the film debut of Jack Lemmon.

There were plans to make a Judy biofilm with Madeline Kahn, who in my opinion would have been a perfect. A shame it didn't happen.

Ed Harbur I would have loved that!. I agree Madeline Kahn would have been perfect...their talents were not dissimilar. In fact I've often thought there were similarities in facial features.

they had bone structure

Allen M. Quinn Gone much too young.

Madeline Kahn would have been AMAZING in that role. What a real shame that never transpired. She absolutely would have not only nailed the look, but definitely would have captured her spirit and charisma.

@z Man majority of your comments are JERK comments. Get a life.

@@stanmaxkolbe Your comment is the one that is insulting. Grow up please.

Bio-fact: the Brain is far far rarer in animal life than the Fundament. Often evident in comments. 😁i luv judy holliday😅♥

Me too! 💙

Janet Williams I've been wondering about that too...I mean, did they have to have them with them? Seems odd to me!

It may have been a generational thing. My mother--45 when I was born and she came along the same year as John Daly, 1914--used to have nightmares about losing her purse. She carried her life in it. Today, people have both sexes often have a similar reaction to losing their cell phones.

Of both sexes--not have; sorry.

Rhonda Sewell They weren't called clutch bags for nothing! Often a fine accessory to an outfit. Carried lipstick, compact with mirror and powder, comb, handkerchief, keys....and maybe smelling salts.

Women never went anywhere without hat and purse and most often, gloves.

I love her films, and the few radio shows I have with her in them, but my guess is she was at her absolute best in live performance, long before my time. She was a fascinating woman, brilliant-- literally a genius level IQ-- who simply radiated warmth from every pore. Kind of like Arlene in that respect. Everyone, simply everyone, loved her.

+Diego Julian About five decades too soon. She is one of my favorite 1950's stars, along with Susan Hayward. One of the only actresses who could make me want to laugh and cry...her performances were truly multidimensional. And she's adorable here, especially when she realizes Bennett Cerf has guessed her.

@@WhatsMyLine Very well said. Judy was magnificent!

+maremacd agreed, dorothy seems to solve the majority of them, and i love her vocabulary. some think she's showboating but that's only on rare occasions, most of the time she's brilliant at it.

I like that Dorothy was always intelligent but still girly.

The only thing that's a bit annoying about Dorothy to me is how often she doesn't hear the answers. It happens to all of them on occasion but particularly to Dorothy.

I love her intelligence and logic.

She's a true asset to the show.

Michael Stern -- I'm still of the opinion the panelists were given clues as to the MGs' identities. Perhaps not their actual names, but close enough. Not unlike the "gambits" they pursued. There are no other explanations as to how people's identities/"lines" were guessed so rapidly.

Juanette Butts - There are other explanations for panelists quickly guessing the mystery guests. As has been mentioned elsewhere in this WML community, the panelists kept up with show business and celebrity news, and were aware of who was visiting New York and who was on Broadway or had a movie opening. There was a kind of “in crowd” knowledge and an in-depth understanding of show business (note Bennett’s asking Judy Holliday if she was ever in a play produced by Max Gordon) that we can barely appreciate watching these shows decades later. The panelists, especially Dorothy, will sometimes ask things like “did I see you at yesterday?”...or “were you in Rome last month?” These people tended to move in the same circles. Dorothy Killgallen was a journalist, Arlene was quite busy on stage and screen (with her actor/producer husband Martin Gabel), and Bennett had what has been called encyclopedic knowledge on many subjects. They’re not perfect of course, but this is a very sharp and knowledgeable panel of people who continue to amaze... and entertain us all to this day! 😊

Laura Collins : Thank you for your lovely reply! I'm sure you're right. The more I become addicted to this channel and the more programs I watch, the more impressed I am by the panelists. Please forgive my previous ignorance. 😊

Juanette Butts - It’s easy to forgive such a gracious person. Besides, we members of the WML Fan Club need to stick together! 👍🏼 You are so right about this show being addictive.

@@lauracollins4195 Your insights are both valid and enjoyable. Ty

The second one I've seen in the preserved episodes to date.

@golden86 Lol! Bennett would appreciate that one! ;)

@@loissimmons6558 27 Jul 1952

@@January. i was referring to her length as a guest.

I saw that. He looked like he really wanted to 'represent' there. Lol

@perpieta Agreed. I remember that they did mention Judy Holliday as a costar in the film during Peter Lawford's MG segment the week before.

Lois Simmons Demographics issue--people are so much more spread out now but back in the day it was a smaller world and A list people (as well as half the country's millionaires) lived right in Manhattan. Also, people stopped joining clubs at the same rate in the 1960s. Also, the pace of life has speeded up--much less leisure time.

Surprised to learn, it's still there. I'm originally from NY, but this is a bit before my time. I used to hear about another popular NYC nite club called, Toot Shors. I wonder whatever happened with that. Jackie Gleason, Mickey Mantle, Billy Martin, et al, all used to drink and hang out there. Must've been a blast!

@@waynej2608 John Daly talked about Toots Shor's all the time -- one of his favorite hangouts, and Mr. Toots Shor himself appeared as a regular contestant (with a blindfolded panel) on the Feb. 11, 1962 episode of WML. Mr. Shor and John were clearly good buddies. Here's a link to the video of that episode: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zrx7Z81009qXfqs.html Toots Shor is the first contestant. :-)

+soulierinvestments I haven't seen "Pffft" yet. I think it's the only Judy Holiday film I haven't seen by this point. I think you know already how much I love "The Big Show"-- and Judy's spots are definitely highlights.

Judy Holliday was a lovely person. Sadly, breast cancer claimed her life at the young age of 43. Brilliant woman, too. She was reportedly a mathematical genius and had an I.Q. of 165, but what she loved to do for a living was nothing like mathematics or the sciences. She loved acting, singing and dancing and entertaining people, and she really could do all of those. Great singer, and she could do a whole bunch of accents and voices -- part of the fun of "Bells Are Ringing" is all the characters she'd portray when she answered people's telephones at the answering service switchboard. She was simply lovely and her death was really tragic in my view.

ToddSF 94109 There's only one biography of Judy as far as I'm aware, but it's quite excellent. I highly recommend it if you haven't read it yet! www.amazon.com/Judy-Holliday-Intimate-Life-Story/dp/0872237575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471231817&sr=1-1&keywords=%22judy+holliday

What's My Line? -- I'd like to read that and no doubt will if I can get it as an eBook.

ToddSF 94109 I think I read that book a long time ago. It mentioned how she had to do her Billie Dawn dumb routine when she had to go before HUAC.

Loved that Crack by Allen.

Since 1929

@Sal Bazaz I agree, and that really bothers me every time I watch this episode. Instead of just asking Steve if he wanted to ask any further questions, he should have asked Steve, "well, what is her purpose in working on people's scalps?" or something like that -- which seems like exactly the type of question he would normally ask. The only reason I can think of is that it was already more than 8 minutes into the program (and that's going by our YT video, which does not include commercials), so about 1/3 of the way through the program, and he thought they needed to end the segment. Still, it really wasn't fair to the contestant, who might have won more money if Steve, and perhaps other panelists, had gotten a "no" to their next questions. And they ended up spending another full minute chatting with and about Miss Chavin and her "line," so the time issue doesn't seem to justify it either.

It was rude.

I've often found IQ to be a flawed measure. The concept of measuring intelligence using a test you can train for, means you are testing the ability to practice rather than the ability to think. Also, the idea of recognising processing speed over complexity of thought is short sighted. Is the person who can resolve standard calculations in a short space of time more intelligent than the person who can solve a more complex problem over a longer period of time? In my view, both have value but IQ only recognises the former.

Asserting Judy’s IQ was higher than Einstein (or Newton, or Feynman, or Hawkins) is a quick way to impeach the validity of IQ tests.

Nope, they truly don't.

+Jeffrey Slott It's been nearly 60 years since the Dodgers and Giants were playing their home games in NYC, so unless you are old enough, a big enough fan of baseball history, or have older relatives who lived through it first hand and told you the stories, there is no way to understand just how bitter the rivalry was between the Dodgers and Giants, and even more so between Dodger fans and Giants fans. People were actually killed sometimes when the arguments (usually in a bar) got out of hand. Mr. Brown, as most people from Brooklyn were, was very obviously a Dodgers fan. Although the Dodgers would go on to repeat as National League champions in 1953 with their best regular season record since the start of the 20th century (105-49, a winning percentage of .682), July 5, 1953 was a terrible day in the Dodgers season. They played a 4th of July double header against the Pirates at Ebbets Field the day before (a split) and then played a game against the Pirates in Pittsburgh on Monday (where they took out their frustrations on the hapless Pirates, as Steve remarked they were an unprofitable team at the time, 14-2). But in between, they were scheduled to play an oddity: a one game Sunday series against the Giants at the Polo Grounds. That day, the Dodgers suffered their worst defeat of the season, losing 20-6. You actually needed more of an adding machine than a slide rule for that one. Not only is the challenger miffed but someone (it sounds like Dorothy's voice) tells Steve to be quiet. For a brief moment, Steve became as unpopular as Hal Block had been four months earlier. The Dodgers actually took a 2-0 lead in the top of the first inning against their nemesis (and teammate in 1956-7) Sal Maglie when Wayne Belardi hit a two out, two run triple to center field, scoring Jim Gilliam and Duke Snider. Belardi was getting a rare start at first base as Gil Hodges was playing left field that day. And he eventually drove in four of the six Dodgers runs (one with a home run off Maglie in the seventh inning). And Willie Mays wasn't there to track down Belardi's triple that day (if anyone could have caught it). Mays was in the Army that year. Bobby Thomson (who had been the Giants center fielder in 1951 before Mays was brought up from the minor leagues) was in center field that day. That was the last the Dodgers saw of the lead. The Giants scored three in the bottom of the first and scored in every inning thereafter until they were finally retired three up, three down in the bottom of the eighth inning, their last at bat. Four errors by the Dodgers didn't help, especially when the Giants had five home runs among their sixteen hits. By the time the Dodgers came to bat in the top of the sixth inning (the next inning in which they scored), they were trailing 17-2. Giants third baseman Hank Thompson, the only person to be the first black player for two different major league teams (St. Louis Browns and the Giants), drove in seven of the twenty runs with a three run home run in the fourth inning off of Joe Black and a grand slam home run in the fifth inning off of Ralph Branca. It was a sour day for Dodger fans and definitely NOT the day to make fun of the Dodgers. The rule of thumb was very simple: when "dem Bums" (our affectionate nickname for our team - yes, I am a lifelong Dodger fan) were playing poorly, Dodger fans could complain to each other about how the team was playing or how a particular player was terrible. But if a Yankee fan or especially if a Giants fan should come along and make fun of our team, them's fighting words. It also went beyond baseball. It was a matter of civic pride. The Giants played in Manhattan. Manhattanites in the ritzier neighborhoods (of which there were many) looked upon themselves as the upper crust sophisticates (i.e. a world into which Hal Block didn't fit). They looked upon Brooklynites as bumpkins, great unwashed and generally beneath them. Brooklyn residents resented being treated that way. To them Brooklyn was friendly. Manhattan was cold, a place you went when there was some sort of trouble. Broolynites in 1953 still referred to 1898 as the year of the big mistake (when Brooklyn united with Manhattan and the other three boroughs to create New York City in its modern form. That's why even in 1975 at the very beginning of the opening to "Welcome Back Kotter" you can see the sign that was placed on the Shore Parkway ramp from the Verrazano Bridge to greet people coming from Staten Island and New Jersey: "Welcome to Brooklyn 4th largest city in America". (After a 33 year hiatus, a new sign with the same wording now resides at Brooklyn Borough Hall.) Adding to Brooklyn's inferiority complex towards Manhattan was the relative position of the ball clubs of the respective boroughs for most of the 20th century. Brooklyn had the best team in major league baseball in 1899 and 1900. The Giants were also rans at that time. (The National League was the only major league from 1892-1900.) When the upstart American League began in 1901, their teams raided many of the best Dodger players. Meanwhile, events were getting put into motion that saw the Giants become one of the premier teams in the National League for the first four decades of the 20th century. From 1901 to 1939. the Giants won they won twelve pennants and four World Championships (there was no World Series when the Giants won the pennant in 1904). During that same time period, the Dodgers won only two pennants and lost the World Series in both of those years. As the twenties progressed into the thirties, the Dodgers became known as "The Daffiness Boys". Compared to the classy Giants, the Dodgers often seemed to be clowns. Any zany thing could happen at a Dodger game, more often than not something bad. They were just good enough to be mediocre, often finishing 6th in the 8 team league but rarely managing a winning record and rarely in contention for the pennant. Fortunes reversed in 1939 with the Dodgers getting new management and the Giants in decline. From 1940 to 1949, the Dodgers won three pennants and tied for the pennant in 1946 (only to lose to the Cardinals in a playoff series) while the Giants usually had a losing record. But in 1948, Leo Durocher (who had been the MG on WML a few weeks earlier) went directly from managing the Dodgers to managing the Giants. In the years from 1948 to 1955 when Durocher managed the Giants, the rivalry between the two teams was at its peak, especially in 1951-53 when Chuck Dressen (formerly a coach under Durocher) managed the Dodgers. Managing against each other, Dressen and Durocher would go at each game (except for a blowout like on this date) as if it was the 7th game of the World Series with all the strategic moves they would make, drawing on every bit of knowledge they had about baseball and the strengths and weaknesses of all the players on each team. And by now it is well-known that late in the 1951 season, the Giants amazing comeback was fueled by a spy with binoculars in the Giants clubhouse beyond the center field fence, stealing the signs being given by the opposing catcher to his pitcher. From 1948 to 1955, the Dodgers won four pennants and one World Championship, finished second three times (twice losing the pennant on the last day of the season, one of those times in a playoff to the Giants in 1951) and third once, with a winning record every year. The Giants won two pennants and one World Championship over the same period, finishing second once and third once. Steve Allen's comedy timing was usually impeccable. In this case, his timing couldn't have been worse. Sauerkraut is made by salting cabbage and Steve rubbed salt into the sauerkraut salesman's deep wounds. If we were posting in the climate of 1953 instead of 2017, Gary would probably need to put a ban on discussions about the Dodgers, Giants and Yankees.

@@loissimmons6558: Thank you for the wonderful summary of a great era of baseball. I was only 6 or 7 years old when the Giants and Dodgers moved out west, but I remember the shock of baseball fans in my small western PA town when it happened. Such moves were probably inevitable, but baseball lost a lot when New York was reduced to having only one team.

+mikejschin You are welcome. I was four years old when they moved. Having seen a Dodgers-Giants game at the Polo Grounds in September 1957, I was looking forward to seeing my first game at Ebbets Field the following year. It never happened. While Yankee fans in the neighborhood would taunt the Dodger fans about the team moving, we kids never thought it would happen. Many adults felt the same way. Even throughout spring training we thought at the last minute something would happen, a deal would be made and the "B" instead of "LA" would return to their caps. A bit of reality sunk in when Opening Day saw the Dodgers and Giants playing in Seals Stadium in San Francisco and a few days later at the Memorial Coliseum in Los Angeles. But even then I held out hope that someone would buy the team from Walter O'Malley and bring them back to Brooklyn. Then I hoped that someone would buy the Mets and trade franchises with the owner of the Dodgers so the Dodgers name and players (whoever they were at the time) could come back where I felt they belonged. I think I have finally accepted the fact that it will never happen. Somehow I managed to cope and come to that realization without an analyst's couch. But I still root for the Dodgers. The players didn't desert Brooklyn, Most of them wanted to stay in a town that knew baseball thoroughly, rooted for them fervently and loved them like family.

@@loissimmons6558 You have reawakened my fascination with baseball of that era. Time to resume my Strat-o-Matic play of the 1957 season, which I abandoned last year while still playing the April schedule. btw, Chuck Dressen was also the MG on WML; it was the September 28, 1952 episode. He beat Durocher by 8 months. lol

+mikejschin Actually Leo was the MG on 1/28/51 not long after Walter O'Malley hired Dressen to replace Burt Shotton at the Dodgers helm. But that is one of the many lost episodes from the early years of WML. And now you have brought back a memory for me by mentioning Strat-o-Matic baseball. I look at that game as a relative Johnny-come-lately. The first dice and statistic/card based games of that type that I remember hearing about were APBA (still around) and Big League Manager aka BLM (only vintage games available now on E-bay, etc.). I remember debates about them between devotees of each game as to which is better. Unfortunately my brother and I didn't play either of them. We played the lame All-Star Baseball game developed by former major league player Ethan Allen and designed for younger players (age 9-12) to have a simpler game. We collected a few years worth of cards and even created some of our own so we could have an 8 team league. But we tired of it because as we grew older, there was the absurdity that it didn't matter if your pitcher was Vern Law or Bennie Daniels: the batters' results were the same. Since you grew up in Western PA, were/are you a Pirates fan? 1957 was a pretty dismal year for the Bucs, following a decade of similarly dismal years. Branch Rickey's rebuilding of the team with young talent started to pay off the following year when the Pirates jumped all the way from a tie for the cellar (with the Cubs) to second place. Once my parents gave me my first transistor radio somewhere around 1964, I used to follow the Dodgers by listening to night games. Of course it was easy for me to pick up the Mets games in New York and watch the games on TV when they were televised. Unfortunately L.A. was too far away for me to hear the Dodgers broadcasts and ironically for many years the Phillies' station was too close on the dial to a NYC station to hear their games. But I would pick up Astros games on a New Orleans station (WWL), Cardinals games on KMOX, Cubs games on WGN, Reds games on WLW and Braves games once they moved to Atlanta on WSB. And of course I listened to Pirates games on KDKA with Bob Prince, Jim Woods and Nellie King behind the mike. I hated it when Prince would finish a game saying "We had them all the way", especially when they would pull out a game that they trailed for 8 innings when they came up with "a bloop and a blast". And of course I loved it when "Gunner" would have to eat crow and announce a Dodger victory. But I agree with him that Clemente was the "Great Roberto". He is the most talented player I ever saw and it galls me to think he could have been a Dodger. We had him at our top minor league team his first year as a pro, failed to protect him on the 40-man roster and lost him. One of the dumbest moves the Dodgers ever made. As good as their teams were during Clemente's career, they would have been a powerhouse if they had him.

I hope by now you have seen her, especially in Born Yesterday. A classic.

It was a weeks pay, or a house payment 😊

liberty Ann On very rare occasions it did happen.

Bennett Cerf did it only a few weeks earlier with Mickey Mantle

@@lauraminer9542 Dorothy did it with Shirley Booth, too.

Yes, there is a playlist showing every one.

The traditional method doesn't use vinegar, but gets its sourness from lactic acid produced by bacteria during fermentation. Salt is the only other ingredient. Then again, if you do use white vinegar in your recipe, that may well be derived from grain, so Bennett's question would get a Yes in that case.

I make my own Sauer kraut and the only ingredient added to the cabbage is salt. I have never heard of anyone adding vinegar. The salt generates the liquid during the tamping and fermentation process. The cabbage is stored in crocks for approximately eight weeks before being stored in jars or ziploc bags.

70 years ago folks didn't use sauerkraut like that.😊

WHAT? Judy Holliday wasn't in either of those movies.

@@ChrisHansonCanada That was Marie Wilson.

Bennett yelled at a guest in later years, but not this time?

Majority of folks back then chewed gum😅

@Neil Midkiff I hadn't noticed this before you pointed it out, but I'll take your word for it in terms of the past episodes and try to pay more attention to John's review of the rules in the ones still to come in my chronological "re-watch" schedule. :-)

Not very many episodes back, he had a little spree of starting the show by saying "Good night". One time he said something like "Good night, ladies and gentlemen-and good evening." A few other comments on his delivery: 1. I wonder whether he ever was annoyed by having to be redundant in saying "a preview look". 2. There was one time when he said to a contestant something like "You know the rules, so I won't take your time with them. For every 'no' answer, five dollars, we flip a card; we keep the record right up here; ten 'no's and you have won the game." He'd just said he wouldn't, and then he did! 3. In many of the very early episodes, he says something like "For other localities, check your newspaper for the date and time." I wonder whether he switched to saying to check "your local listings" because somebody like TV Guide pressed for him not to be so specific about which publication viewers should consult. 4. In the last several episodes, when contestants have finished playing, he has been sure to mention Stopette to them, as the source of the prize money or the source of the thanks being offered to them for their playing. To me this isn't annoying, but it is overkill: I think the Stopette ads that aired in the break were very effective on their own; unlike modern commercials, they always make me want the product.

@Frank Santore Many people have commented on that, so I'm assuming that he did dye his hair later on. I don't find it so noticeable myself.

Arlene was also😊

@@robertholman8730: No she was not! I couldn't stand her!

Huh? The first contestant wasn't chewing anything.

I'm sure she means the second contestant as he was chomping up a storm.

My mom to my sister, a world-class gum-cracker of the '50s: "A gum chewing girl and a cud chewing cow, there is a difference I will allow. What is that difference? I have it now. It's the intelligent look on the face of the cow."

She mentioned that she worked for a firm with the name of Thomas. A search gives snippets from a Federal Trade Commission report from 1942 which must be the same company: books.google.com/books?id=TnEhAQAAIAAJ&q=Thomas+baldness&dq=Thomas+baldness&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVqPD_s57kAhVSip4KHZA7BdMQ6AEINjAC Transplants were not available in the 1950s, nor were modern medicines like minoxidil. A minority of cases of baldness can be attributed to reversible causes like poor circulation in the scalp, and I have to guess that her treatments (possibly massage as well as topical medicines) could help in those cases. But most baldness is triggered by hormones, and would have been incurable by such methods at the time.

It was the '50s, anything is possible

Transplant 😊

The original concept was to try to deduce the occupation by looking at the guest. It was supposed to be a "serious" show from the get go, but that didn't last long once the first few shows were out of the way and it turned into an entertainment show with the quiz part being most irrelivent, like "You Bet Your Life" with Groucho or Herb Shriner's "Two for the Money" which showcased the hosts, here the panel is showcased.

Who ever thought that was a good idea?

It was quite common for people's occupation to show in their gate, the wear of certain clothing items, and in terms of calluses on particular places on the hands. If you've ever read Sherlock holmes, you get constant examples of him to do sing the profession of people based upon things like where at a particular location on their clothing like the elbows are forearms or at the end of the sleeves. Based upon the skin roughness and color you might deduce whether the person wore some kind of a mask or worked out doors or worked White collar versus blue color labor. The condition of the nails and likewise the condition of the rest of the skin of the hand would also contain an indication as to the job. It was dropped fairly quickly from what I understand. It was reduced significantly after the first season or maybe the first two seasons.

Purple Capricorn She wasn't even in that movie, so you must _really_ love her. :)

What's My Line? Oh! I get her mixed up with Jean Hagen who was in Adams Rib with her.

Purple Capricorn Judy was in far too few films in her far too short life.

Purple Capricorn That was Debbie Not Judy