Carriers walk into a bar. There is no counter.

6:10 "I see what's on the screen with my eyes, but it doesn't register." That's how I feel watching any of these pros.

Flash was getting vessels and emp so he must have thought that the stargate was for arbiters

12:35 not an entirely serious thought but I'd watch 10 minutes of Artosis just rating every psi storm

22 day flash streak

excellent casting as always. anyway, when will somebody tell Flash to do what Arty did to solve brood war, which is to play Battle Asses for 20 hours straight?

11:51 "when you are in the 60s you feel good" *Happy Beatles noises coming from Flash's SVCs*

Pretty sure he didn’t see the robo cause he didn’t place it until the scv was chased out and killed

10:35 The timing of the scan here to spot the shuttles as they're flying in-route to his base just shows why Flash is the GOAT.

I don't know about you guys, but I am getting chills right now 😂😂😂

I hear Terran has a unit that can LockDown Protoss units. Never see it though..

flash is so stubborn lol he is literally determined to make the build work

You should also do Flash vs. Motive, I think in one of their games Motive even told Flash when and how to take a third expansion (as in, after going five factoroes and then either punishing Protoss for greed or expanding if Protoss isn't greedy)

"A murder of Carriers" was shrewd.

Another potential game-breaking thing is Snow's reavers. Imagine if every protoss could dodge tank hits and drag mines with a shuttle like Snow.

Your passion for the game is contagious, I'm enjoying these daily casts. :-)

Awesome game, thanks for casting Arty!

Flash would of casted even more flash games

well played from Bisu. Bisu is fire

When Blizzard was designing SC they probably thought that, in theory, Battlecruisers, Lockdown and all the Terran anti-air tech would allow them to deal with Carriers. In practice, we know how that turned out.

Bottom right base held off so much with cannons and storm in the choke. Was cool to see shuttles going there too. Great game!

When the ASL qualifications start and do you think flash has a chance to get in final 24 based on speed you see him learning new meta. Also keep up the good streams Arti and I will be never sick of flash replays

Thank you for the much content Artois !! much

You could scout with 2 SCV who attack/fight probe if it comes to close and repair each other. Basically impossible to kill with a probe

Great positioning this game throughout the map. Like a battlegrid on a massive tabletop game

First, your videos were fun. Now I’m addicted

You spoke about pros not reacting / thinking about what they see. I read a long time ago that StarCraft pros were having their brain scanned while playing and the “instinct” part of the brain lit up when they see tech changes etc so exactly it’s not them even thinking about it - they just do it ahaha awesome

As soon as you said the next day my head went to and the very next day he was home sweet home and then I realized your mind went there too I'm as weird as you are, nice

Thanks for casting! If only Flash used dropships against 5 o clock....

Really been hard for me to tell from these series if Flash is still just "catching up on the meta" or if Bisu and JD are just in really good shape right now. Tbh I'm hoping for the latter as Flash/Bisu/JD are my 3 favorite players at their respective races.

16:32 not to mention like 2000 minerals and gas tied up in the production tab

Can anyone tell me how much the armor upgrades help the Terran in TvP?

This is now flash's channel.

0:48 are you thinking of the Duck Song lol

Does remaster still have the like 'maximum number of units on the screen' where valkyries and carriers sometimes dont shoot because theres too much already?

what a match

Would mass wraith work against mass carriers? I'm thinking at it through the perspective of SC2 like using vikings

@10:40 How did flash know to bring everything back? Was there a god scan at 9 o clock that you missed???

Gracias por el video.

Wouldn't keeping a few valkyries on top of your goliaths help a lot against the interceptors?

In these situations, you usually don't have much of a choice except to just attack and it becomes a race to see who dies first 😂

that was a sick game

man those dt's were a menace

This breakfast I was eating good with this game 👍

Watching the 2 latest Flash vs Bisu games made me forget that Ghosts existed. Great stuff though.

4:20 when terran will learn to properly repair their units with SCV is also scary

Flash always gets wrecked by his tanks being too clumped during the big engagements.

Ahh Artosis, you have arrived.

Leta! Say his name @Artosis! He was so fun to watch, totally bananas

the flash came back, the very next day

Counter to scouting block - Proxy Eng-bay fly over.

instead of switching to mass goliaths, isn't it be better to have a mix of 1:3 goliaths/marines (or even higher) to kills interceptors/carriers? from what i remember back then, goliaths have never been effective against carriers (unless you can target them directly ofc) since their missiles may take time to hit interceptors while marines effectively hit them the second they shoot. also doesn't it takes time for carriers to acquire a new target? so giving them more targets to deal with reduce their average "dps" quite a bit. again i may be in the wrong since i haven't played for literally decades.

Flash is certainly playing catching up everyday. Already approaching Bisu level.

Valkyrie to splash observers and wraith to dive on the carriers (watching for high templars) while another wraith scouts for the next incoming observer. To beat carriers you have to be in a great economic position which is only usually achieved by a successful one base(has to kill natural expo). 1 rax pumping rines while getting mines with a machine shop and tank from that factory while getting vulture from 2nd factory. When you attack you have to watch for him to hide his army and try to flank you....this is his only chance to hold so to counter this you have to keep scouting like crazy with vulture and scvs because finding that army and isolating it before it can group with his reinforcement will give you a great advantage. You'll have to send all your units as soon as mines are almost ready and bring scvs too....don't let the scvs or vultures take even a single shot from the dragons without having most of your ranged units attacking at least one volley.

is there any other unit in the game that when you see large group of, it means you're pretty much already dead?

16:59 "That's when the game just becomes out of control. [...] Control tower"

Hey Mr.Tosis Would you mind briefly explaining to someone like me who doesn't play the game but watches all your casts bcs I used to play it 20 years ago as a kid - wouldn't Valkyries rek Carriers cuz of their AOE? Given Flashs developed economy wouldn't Tank Valkyrie be a viable comp?

"The very next day..." xD

Love is the answer for everything !

I came here for Flash. GGs!

I wish that Lockdown would not have been so seriously underestimated and not because it can lockdown Carriers to finish them off with any other follower but because the Terran could simply mass lockdown the Carriers then ignore then completely and move on to kill the Protoss ground army and then the production buildings -not probes- since the idea is to take advantage of the supply locked protoss.

OH WOW ! Flash! I haven't seen flash video on Ur channel for A WHILE now .... ;p

Hope someone can awnser this: Why is Golaith the Terran counter for Carriers and not Valks? Is it because Gols can attack ground as well? Or am I missing something

I'm a noob, would ghost lockdown be able to deal with carriers?

Honest question: wouldn't lockdown be good vs carriers? Doesn't feel like that much of an investment and feels like a near certain kill, if golliaths are in position, plus it takes a carriers' interceptors out of the fight for the duration.

Flash did not see the robo, he just assumed it because it's meta.

Bisu looks on fire, maybe next asl will finally be his.

Ghost with lockdown is the most underutilized spells ever, it would have been perfect to use versus the Carriers.

Mass carrier is the same as old infestor broodlord

Are we a cult at this point?

Does anyone know why ghosts aren't used to counter carriers?

Flash - " Carriers OP"

...Did RT make a ducksong reference..?

its difficult as a zerg getting ready for carriers. as we have no scan. they just pop out of nowhere 8 of them, and head for the main where the tech iis. and the whole game becomes a freakshow in the protoss's favor. if you see them coming its winnable, but if their secretly made , almost impossible to stop.

Counter to carriers? TANKS!

just use Banshee's and focus observatory with everything soon as you break that protoss only got cannons for vision.

What can Terran do against such reckless Protoss Carrier play?

That was a good match, but, bummer to see how many times Flash had chances to lay fire into the carriers, but he didn't target his Goliaths. Lots of times the gols were basically in range and they were shooting interceptors. Somebody get this man some adderall so he can achieve his potential again lol

In a TvP, would a Starport with only one Wraith actually be a good counter against a Reaver+Shuttle push? Most of the pro Protoss players I see are going for Reaver.

How do you beat carriers? If only terran had some kind of capital ship with a powerfull long range attack...

when is Artosis gonna drop his compendium of Starcraft childrens stories?

Science vessel needs lockdown ability

@artosiscasts I made a custom map with a carrier hard counter. It's the only video on my channel.

the correct term is a fleet i'd say

Well I might be noob, but why dont use ghost and locks aganst Carriers? :>

Was that the cat came back? Sounds like the mini-tosises are being exposed to some good Canadian culture 😄

I'd love to see a different strategy for late game carriers from Terran for once. Terrans need to keep an additional threat out on the field alongside their goliaths to punish the carriers. Spamming goliath is cool and all, but Terrans need to think about their trump card against carriers (killing them) if they decide to levitate over terrain Terran can't access very well. If we're not talking about money restraints then there could be some options like a small group of wraiths (countered by obs), a couple long range BCs using yamato (stasis countered), ghost lockdown (lack of range), EMP from science vessel (seen here by flash). Idc if pro players think that it's inefficient to deploy some of these units for counters. There just needs to be a big threat put into the goliath spam in case protoss does decide to commit and you catch them off guard. You can see DTs from protoss put into battle when carriers are attacking, why can't Terran do something similar?

Valk + emp?

Four cybernetics cores?

no ghost?

To be fair, it was 3 base vs. 5 then. 6 base for like five minutes. Terran almost never recovers from that, regardless of type of protoss army

What about going air to pick off the Observers with cloaked Wraiths? I remember seeing an old montage with that happening. I understand that was probably just a one-off for a highlight reel for StarCraft of yesteryear but geeze! Currently mass Goliaths doesn't seem to be working. However, why not just Shift + Right click on all the Carriers? I'm very glad he did use EMP though! What about Lockdown? What about this? What about that? I mean, it's easy to armchair coach but I hate to see Flash lose like that TWICE haha. Anecdotally, I held off several waves of Carriers with Lockdown on one of the rare times I played a money map. I think ultimately they formed a secret alliance with another player and I was eventually overrun but it was kind of a proud moment thwarting what they probably saw as a quick and easy win. But fuck money maps! Haha.

In late-game TvPs they get to 60-80 workers, stop making them, and then never remake as the workers die off. In this match it was justifiable since no bases but other times it gets down to like 20 vs 15 workers and hero unit DT tactics where it seems like it would've been easier for one player to set aside some of their 10k bank for a couple more workers in the lategame. I wonder if it's just pros getting to 20m and wanting the game to end from that point on?

The map is a grid of squares, why do you call them hexes?

if he had realized the 2 hero DTs at the end this might have been close but carriers in that supply is 1 in 100 for Terran to beat. GGs boys.

I seriously want to see a pro terran player show us mere mortals how to deal with carriers. My go to solution had always been ghost lockdown + goliath spam and i was hoping to see that this match, but alas. My micro sux tho, so getting a squad of ghosts at full upgrade and energy to double lockdown carriers was pretty impossible for me. The best i could do out of 12 was probably lockdown like 4, maybe 6 if i got lucky

Sure wish they would make minor small updates to the game... would probably change some playstyles slightly for better balance.

The answer to how you beat carriers, is don't lose to DT. Just because you see a unit with your eyes, doesn't mean it was th reason you lost. This must also be the reason people think banelings are good. No, you lost not to banes but by getting behind by 2 mining bases.

I see flash I click flash

1 stargate could have meant arbiters right?