new SP is not available yet.

Why? Those bikes are ages after the duc v2 and 765rs.

XSR900 is kind of a "niche" bike as well, it has no place in standard bike tests like these, you see it sometimes in retro tests where it should be, I also thought about the MT-09 missing from this test but to the honest it has not got that much new like these other bikes the last year. But for my money I would put the MT-09 right up there on split second place with the Street Triple and put the Ducati on third place.

​@@fredrikmehlinAges after? What?

@@mathias6423 Ah, because the XSR is styled differently? That's your argument? The only significant difference between the MT and XSR is that the XSR has a longer wheelbase

@@rockafella1690 everything but the engine and the rider aids. The cp3 is a very fun engine. Mt09 sp with Its öhlins is better but miles away from the brakes, handling and character of the duc and the 765. But the electronics has improved alot with the mt series. But its good that you like the mt series. What yamaha did was hat off, it put yamaha on the map again.

Yup. Apparently it is 2kg heavier. OTOH, I really couldn't care less. when the difference is so little.

Exactly. I have the 2018 which has an excellent TFT dash. Every iteration since seems worse.

I technically agree, the older dash was definitely more legible.... but since riding the 2020 and now the 2023 version, I don't think I've ever looked at the rev counter anyway to be fair 🤷

Agreed. I’ve a 2020 Street 765 RS and absolutely love everything about it……except the damn rev counter!

I waited a year with buying the new 765 hoping they would fix the dashboard graphics. Sadly triumph doesn't listen to their market. Same with the new Speed 1200 RS, it needs wheelie control and traction control seperate, at the moment you need to disable TC if you want to wheelie. Also the suspension is not electronic, these days its normal to have that on halo bikes (tuono factory, super duke 1390, mt10 sp etc all have it)

Yep buy the R - on the road it’s better & has a readable dash!

Yup doesn't take long to find out the camshaft issues that seem to be commonplace. £1.5K fix when it goes too.

Yep I have a 690 SMCR and the camshaft was shot after 3k. KTM have appalling build quality and KTM UK’s customer service is the worse I have ever experienced! Take your money elsewhere!

@WSMK-oz6ru I had the first run of 790 duke back in 2019. Never again lol

Cb1000r is a 999cc right?

Isn’t it 947cc, which would make it middleweight? I mean Z900 is 948cc and is always referred to as a middleweight bike.

@@myfewmoments998cc still sub litre and the base model is cheaper that the KTM990

Haha the S1000R too is 999cc :D

@@MoMo-ds8cj yes, it is.

It looks like Megatron's asshole

Be even better having to clean the dead bugs out of it 😬

Weren't the 790/890 engines built in India? The 990 is Austrian built, no?

Triumph and their electronics are so frustrating. KTM for me 😎🍻

If yamaha could have raised the compression ratio for the mt09 to have the same power as the Duke.. It'd be easily the yamaha, but for me I'm not a fan of a lazy sounding triple engine honestly. Its weird to hear a triple sound so low, I'm used to hear it screaming from the street triple. And the new xsr900 gp looks so gorgeous I love the colours, but somehow it's 200 kilograms kerb weight?? The Japanese manufacturers kind of miss some spots.. If they even try to make something hit different, only yamaha does that now.

@rns6889 Personally, I'm not a fan of the GP. It's very bulbous... I'd take a Yam over KTM any day, better reliability and aftercare. I had my XSR900 tuned after an exhaust. 128bhp and 96nm of torque all whilst looking good. Can't fault it.

@@inked-96 yeah that ktm is silly overpriced 😂, honestly I really like ktms, it's their philosophy of brute aggression and strength. But they're too expensive and look too savage for me to get one, I'm more of a fan of the refined nice premium feeling easy to live with Honda and triumph, that ktm is the opposite of it, I love it, but it's too savage and primal looking, doenst have class like a Honda or triumph does 😂😂.

@@rns6889 I got my XSR900 unregistered, in the blue for £8,900. Brand new... what's the base 990 now? 13k? 😅.

@@inked-96 yeah, it's ridiculous idk how ktm can justify that at all, I'd rather get a cb1000r that looks 5x better than it does, with a single sided swing arm, more power, better build quality. Heck it's just a little less than an mt10.

Yeah I was thinking of that too, a used 890 R is much more bike for the money right now, later on when there is a 990R and you can find them on the used market maybe then the 990R will be the bike to have but that is at least 2-3 years away before you will be able to find a 990R used for better price since that bike has not even been released yet for all I know ? It is weird the 890R actually has like only 1hp and 2-3 nm torque less but it also weighs a couple of kg's less which is more important in this small case I think. So at least on the spec sheet they are about the same powerwise. We need to wait for a 990R to see if they will add more power to that bike and what other parts like better brakes and such, but anyways the prices for these new bikes are already bonkers so a 990R with better parts and stuff would probably be around 20 000$ which is insane. I remember when you could go out and buy a duke 790 or MT-09 for closer to 10 000$ After c0vid prices has just skyrocketed on almost everything, much more than it probably needs to which really hurts our economy in the long run, not only customers but also manufacturers that increases prices more than they have to are shooting themselfs in the foot.

you can already buy the KTM 990 including the tech pack for £12k

​@@the-real-bert What are you talking about "already" ? That is old news man, I have been able to buy the Duke 990 since April lol. If you read what I wrote I wrote about the Duke 990 "R". Now, can you "already" buy the Duke 990 "R" ? No you can't.

I think he say already about the 990 not a 990r.

No slam dunk in this class, too competitive. Almost can’t lose. I sold my MT back in 21 for an 890R and couldn’t be happier. Yamaha makes a fine bike btw.

Btw, post a video/short of your bike. Always interested to see what those geniuses in the comment sections actually ride.

@@freebehindbars8654 Spoken like a true septic douche

Nah, if you want more torque you Figo for m09, you want more power it's triumph, you want both for an even higher price it's ktm. I'd go for the triumph personally.

@@freebehindbars8654 YT won´t allow me to post the link. I ride a 1999 Honda CB600F Hornet (599) in the US, my first bike bought 3 years ago. Mint condition to begin with then I modified the whole thing with F4i cams, modified airbox with trumpets/stacks, full exhaust, 4 degree advance (Factory Pro), 115 jets instead of 100, -1+3, 520 conversion, radial master and a bunch more. She puts down 102 hp and 66 nm (48 lb-ft) of torque TO THE WHEELS. Got the weight down to 188 kg (414 lbs) wet and the thing moves. She´s a looker too, cockpit fairing giving it an awesome retro look. Done all the work myself but then that is easy stuff for a mechanical engineer with 30 years experience.

Japanese tires fitted though!

Where’s the MT09, Z900 and GSX-S 750?

​@@madrat5176they still make the gsxs 750?? Im gonna be honest the only interesting one there is the mt09, the others are vanilla.. Too vanilla. The Japanese are too conservative nowadays, I don't even care anymore. Suzuki doesn't even make cars anymore in Japan apparently 😂, they don't sell. That's what being a conservative stuck up does to you I guess. Not that i like the fact that the Japanese makers are being boring. I hope they get their shit together and put more effort and soul into their motorcycles again. Only yamaha seem to be doing that and then again they killed the r6 and r1.

@@rns6889 The GSX-R 750 is a beast and arguably the best overall sport bike you can buy. 600cc chassis with a 150hp 750 inline 4. Kawasaki’s zx-6r is also a hell of a bike and track weapon. The Japanese are still making great bikes

@@madrat5176 yeah I love 600 cc 4s but.. Fully specd, the zx6r is 197 kilograms, same as an s1000rr. Not a middleweight anymore is it, I think the jaapnese should replace their 600s with 750s, I know that the suzuki is awesome but they haven't updated it at all. It looks like it's from the 2000s man. I think thr supersports should offer more in terms of power and weight compared to these new middle weight nakeds that have more power and lighter than them. They're still obviously faster around a track with those ergonomics, fairings and geometry, but i myself think why should I get a 600 when a triumph street triple has more power and much 8 kilos lighter. I want a 600, but I also know that triumph will be so much more comfortable and torquey while having simillar acceleration yk 😅.

That's my plan. That or the S1KR

I rode the 990 four times. Great ride, really impressed but not worth 3000 more than MT09. Also possible future reliability issues compared to proven CP3 motor. Will see what 990r is like next year

And it’s will be even more for the r version plus you have to pay extra for the so called performance package. These prices are getting ridiculous. The price they’re selling the standard version should be the r version price.

This would make little sense, if you don't consider torque... and weight... and... It never ends. This comparison is already a bit of a stretch, because the Ducati isn't in the same category for me, and the MV is a bike most would never consider. MT-09, ST RS and 990 would have been perfectly fine. It would have been in line with your call for similar power output as well... But imagine next year, when both an RC990 and an R9 will come out with more or less 120 to 130 hp. Would it be fair to put them against the CBR600 and the 636?

@@fabiena1787 That's a good point. Maybe price is a better consideration as most people in the real world do look at what they can get for £xxxx in cash or for £xxx per month? When I bought a brand new GSX-S1000 in 2021 for £8500, it wasn't the best super naked out there but the substantially better bikes were nearly twice the price.

What of it? They didn’t discuss the tires.

Plus let's not forget that the price difference between the 2 models is a pretty big leap lol. Even used I'm seeing the v4s go for more than a new v2

Couldn't disagree more. The more I put into the bike, the more it gives back. The new one does "slow" a lot better ironically, due to the shorter gearing, but man when you open her up... 😬😬😬

@@casterofchaosi would agree. I never regret after 3 years of ownership. Worth every penny

but ask regular rider which bike they would ride and own in real world mv agusta

😂😂😂

Nailed it

Yep, and the KTM is 990 too.

​@cp4512 The duke 990 isn't 990cc lmao it's less ccs than the sf v2

990 isn't 990cc 🤦‍♂️