*So he would always have a friend* _So he would always have a friend_
@Musashi2466 жыл бұрын
I think it´s actually a question from wolf: "So he would always have a friend?" "SO HE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE A FRIEND..."
@TrollCatGamer6 жыл бұрын
That line always makes me cry
@catastrophucked6 жыл бұрын
Kindred is the man/entity in the story. People shun (run) from death, and this made him lonely, since people always tried to stay as far away from him as possible. The reason you know that this man/entity is the person that became Kindred is because Lamb tells Wolf, he took an axe and split himself right down the middle. The marks on their masks, when one of them is flipped and joined with the other forms a heart that had been split in RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. This is why Lamb and Wolf are tied so closely together, because they ARE the same person/entity, who was likely the Grim Reaper of Runeterra that got lonely after seeing everybody run from him/it, and it's why Lamb tells the story so gently to wolf, and why both of them recognize the truth of the story deep down in their heart, which they both share as two halves, represented as carvings upon their masks. This also explains why Lamb and Wolf call each other by name with affectionate tones: "Dear Wolf.", "Little Lamb.", they have become friends, by making a friend out of their former self, by splitting the ONE in two, so that the two that resulted from said splitting could become friends, and cure the original entities loneliness. They value each other, because they are all that they have, both as a divided soul, and as a cherished bond. Having said all of this, I do not like Kindred as a character, and hold a firm distaste for their personalities, because at the end of the day, they are nothing more than the product of a being who couldn't cope with its own existence and the consequences of that existence (people running from the entity known as Death/The Grim Reaper), and ran from Its own existence by splitting itself in two to cure its loneliness. Yet, it acts super entitled when it comes to its duty of ending lives, thinks the idea of chasing and brutally murdering those who refuse to accept It as a fun game, and has the audacity to call others dignified for choosing to accept the arrow, as if it were some high and mighty being, as if death holds any sort of dignity, let alone INDIGNITY. People die, there's nothing to judge. And frankly, when a person dies, they shouldn't be worried about what someone else thinks of how they choose to die, they should only be concerned with their own internal views. This is why I call Kindred pretentious, for Kindred hands them the option of deciding to die with dignity or die without dignity and be ran down like prey. It's judgmental, worse, its arrogant and disgustingly audacious of a being with that poor excuse for a coping mechanism caused by loneliness to have any right WHATSOEVER to go around saying this shit to other people. Kindred is not some two-sided, objective, personification of death. Kindred is just a lonely entity that was unable to handle its loneliness, and is now stupidly trying to enforce its twisted view of death onto others, not-to-mention treating people's fate as a game (Wolf) while deeming to judge and offer (Lamb) an option for how the person dies. Not really an offer, just a horseshit-borne method of taking their own internal weakness out on others.
@squirrelbuddi5 жыл бұрын
@@catastrophucked riot already confirmed that the story lamb tells is one that she heard people say about kindred in peoples story telling over the years. Kindred doesn't actually know how they came to be. So.....
@entityunknown7325 жыл бұрын
@@catastrophucked They are not the man in the story. Their soul is bond together but they are not the same person.
@silverun2806 жыл бұрын
the fact that lamb looks a lot more human than wolf could also represent the differences in the death their offer: Wolf's chase is brutal, primitive and more animal-like, while lambs arrow is a more humane and dignified one. that might also be the reason why she stands in her feet as a bipedal; to represent honor and dignity. to be honest now I can't unsee the fursuit. thanks, I hate it!
@h3art4995 жыл бұрын
Actually makes sense, lambs arrows are beautiful and colourful ,whereas wolfs attacks are brutal
@alfianna25782 жыл бұрын
Well, ya, the idea of the two is Ying and Yang. Wolf is black, Lamb is white, Wolf is instinct (nature), Lamb is Mind (Nurture), Lamb is the body, Wolf is the soul, Wolf can feel emotion but not understand it, Lamb can understand emotion but not feel it. They are two parts that make one whole. The story of the grey man who split himself in two. Grey is the between the color of black and white or the color of them combined. So yes, Lamb represents human aspects like thought, understanding, beauty, dignity, and grace, and wolf represents Natural aspects.
@nathanielhughes8071 Жыл бұрын
Basically what the base description already says "the poet and the primitive"
@JarOfTarOfficial6 жыл бұрын
Yorick also can quote them upon death, saying "I see the wolf."
@ApexGale6 жыл бұрын
As a Yorick main, that line hurts. Yorick would absolutely love to accept death, but he *physically can't die, so he is hunted by Wolf instead.* So the next best thing to do is try to undo the curse. He will prevail... _he has eternity..._
@ZzDarkShadowKnightzZ5 жыл бұрын
@@ApexGale Actually because he is still struggling to live longer than he's supposed to as his quest hasn't finished yet. Which means he fight back his death, he denies his final call till he free the shadow ilse from this curse - forcing to live.
@galacticpotata81924 жыл бұрын
@@ZzDarkShadowKnightzZ its funny cause senna is going to do that instead
@InternetAddict0693 жыл бұрын
@@ApexGale nah He wants to die but he also wants to end the root of ruination that's why he has yet to accept death
@ApexGale3 жыл бұрын
@@InternetAddict069 not quite. one of his lines is literally "We do not die...and so we fight on." Yorick can't die no matter how much he'd love to. That's the reason why he fights the Mist - because he can't embrace death even if he wanted to. So he fights to secure the eternal slumber he desperately desires. Him seeing the Wolf is not of his own volition. He is wrenched back to life no matter what he does.
@Leivve6 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that Kindred is more akin to the grim reaper, then an actual god of death. You were destined to die at that exact moment, but you don't actually die till Kindred gets you.
@illuminatitom45556 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think something like that as well. If you listen to kindred lines in game, it is almost undeniable to think otherwise.
@alchemicpunk15096 жыл бұрын
That's what a god in the vain of the Norse or Shinto deities would be though.
@FactFinderGeneral4 жыл бұрын
The grim reaper is a combination of pre christian death gods, something outside of god, he's never been "just a spirit". Unless you're thinking of Ankou which are spirits, a different entity from the Reaper. In ancient religions, especially those with a pantheon, gods were not like Christianity portrays a god. They are more like superhumans than omnipresent and omnipotent. They could be beaten, tricked, and even killed. That's what he was pointing out. They abide by what a death god would be in ancient religions, not in the modern Western view of a god. One example is Greco-Roman mythology that has different gods that preside over different forms of death as well as personifications of death as a concept.
@dangernoodle33432 жыл бұрын
I've always made a big distinction with Kindred, they are not a GOD of Death but rather they are Death itself. When you die you either see the Lamb or the Wolf because they are the reality that every mortal being faces one day
@jayjaygolden51232 жыл бұрын
i think skyen kinda explained that at the start tho? how thats a very abrahamic way of seeing the difference betwee a god and any other deity? while in other religions, godsare very much just that?
@heccsa75326 жыл бұрын
Characters reacting to Kindred, that'd make me very happy to be honest. Just some new voicelines, to see how everybody would face them
@SpyroDraconem6 жыл бұрын
Yorick's rework has one. When he dies, one line is "I see the wolf..." because of how he's prolonged his demise.
@QuestionableObject6 жыл бұрын
This is my biggest issue with all new stuff in LoL HotS and DotA, when someone new who references others is added no new lines from old characters get added.
@mk-ul5tv4 жыл бұрын
Wuell some react to her, and now, ashe has a new voiceline in which she says something along "hail kindred" and the rest I forget
@PLKhataes3 жыл бұрын
After 2 years, you'll finally receive more parts of lore I mean, in LoR, in June... But hey, we are getting more lamb lore!
@justabeholder47533 жыл бұрын
Viego does now
@ExecutionerThel6 жыл бұрын
a running theory I've had for a while is with jhin. What made jhin into the character he is? the theory involves him somehow witnessing kindred and seeing lamb take the life of someone who accepted their death. Leaving jhin obsessed with the beauty in death and driving him insane making him almost like a zealot of the kindred whether he understands their purpose or not.
@tehtayziez6 жыл бұрын
Executioner Thel Yeah Id love to see how much Jhin and Kindred are linked, so much of his design is similar to them, like he's become obsessed with seeing them or something.
@rimurutempest49453 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think Jhin’s the same as Magga, people who saw Kindred itself but lived, and now death has become a very part of them, it also doesn’t seem like a coincidence where Magga also incorporates death into her art, just like how Jhin does.
@jayjaygolden51232 жыл бұрын
what if kindred split in 3, not 2? They used to be a tall skinny man after all..jhin is tall and skinny qhat if hes the humam part of death. the very physical part of death. The quantifiable. The very human want to cause death, but unlimited by a need for reason.
@purpleenthusiast58142 жыл бұрын
@@jayjaygolden5123 That's a cool idea, but the thing with Jhin that appeals to a lot of people(myself included) is that in a roster full of people with big things that they want or have to accomplish, he's just some cool, rando, whackjob. Taking that from him would kinda suck, at least in my opinion.
@Necrit6 жыл бұрын
🤔
@wintrkvitravn27236 жыл бұрын
Necrit fancy seeing you here... Now I feel like in cheating on you xD
@stephenmaraya44693 жыл бұрын
Oh no I'm caught it dint mean anything I promise I'll never cheat again
@michell67465 жыл бұрын
1.There is brutality in Lamb's swift arrow , snuffing out all that there once was in a quick strike , no chance to think further , no chance to pray , no chance to turn around, to try and survive and there is kindness in Wolf's chase , hope mingling with despair as you run away ; maybe you'll be able to outrun them , even though you never will , maybe they'll get tired , even though they never are. (this is my own explanation as to why their masks are inverted - each of them is whole in their own way even if they're made to be halves of one another ) 2. The idea of the sacrificial lamb and the wolf that is said to kill more than it needs to eat , leaving corpses lying around .
@dangernoodle33432 жыл бұрын
Another thing on this point is that they are one being split into two and it shows in how they act. Despite Lamb being merciful, she can't feel emotions which can almost make her seem indifferent to a death. On the opposite end, Wolf can very much feel emotions but he lacks any understanding of what they are which can make him seem overjoyed to kill.
@amtra17786 жыл бұрын
10/10 imitations of Demacia and Noxus
@nintendo6256 жыл бұрын
Kindred is also referenced in the Noxus story where they have large Wolf statues they pray to.
@nopatone6 жыл бұрын
Karthus was a really poor half orphan child in noxus and when people died (basically daily) he "would watch, fascinated, as the tallymen of Kindred notched their staffs and bore the bodies from the almshouse.". Also maybe there's something about darius' new skin being all wolf themed
@yoavivker5106 жыл бұрын
This is going to be a bit long, so be forewarned... I wanted to make a short input about the visual design points you made about lamb. I completely agree that lamb isn't distinguishable from other goat/sheep animals enough, maybe the lack of horns would be the only indicator but even then it doesn't seem specific enough. But, the fact that lamb is very humanoid (a satyr, faceless with hands) I think it helps express the opposites in kindred. Wolf isn't just the violent hunt or a representation to keep running from death. Wolf also represents the primitive/animalistic urges and forces in death; it isn't fast, it isn't clean, and it isn't painless. Lamb, on the other hand, is more than just acceptance of death, or a clean death, she represents a more human aspect of dying, one that animals cant understand. The concept of choice, and the act of mercy killing. The half of kindred that gives you a choice is always Lamb, Wolf is always ready to pounce but Lamb holds him back waiting for the dying person's decision. and Lamb is the one who according to the short story spends her time on the battlefield so she can end the suffering of fallen soldiers. The idea of ending suffering instead of always fighting on is a very human one that animals are not familiar with. So, I think that another aspect of the divide between Lamb and Wolf is through how primitive/advanced they are, and that is very well represented in their appearence and in how they speak. Lamb, as you mentioned has a bow, a refined modern human weapon. She sands on two legs, and the way the speaks and explains things to wolf show an almost human nature to her, that compliments her humanoid appearence. Wolf, at least to me seems like a savage animal; he hunts with his jaws, not weapons. Wolf also seems barely intelligent (like a smart pet dog) and that does feed into the idea that wolf is more animal than human, the opposite of Lamb. But, in the end, Kindred character design revolves around the Ying-yang concept, so in each one of the halves there is a bit of the other; so while Lamb does kill as an act of mercy, she is very detached from feeling anything towards the dying person, to Lamb that person os just another kill. Wolf, while an animal that is on a very short leash to Lamb, still speaks and can understand basic human interactions and behaviar, he isn't completely an animal and isn't completely wild. well that was my rant on the human appearence of Lamb and why she looks a tad like a furry
@denmark27284 жыл бұрын
I agree awesome rant
@a.arrondel63793 жыл бұрын
Lamb still detach herself from humanity by her feelings. It's implied (also in legends of Runeterra) that Wolf feels a lot of feelings, thrill, fun, sadness, but do not understand them, he doesn't "know" them. Lamb, on the other hand, knows feelings, she knows what they are, but she doesn't feel them, and often asks what sadness is, for exemple.
@ratatouilledrinksclorax98972 жыл бұрын
Yeah when you look at the world, even the most intelligent animals just like to screw around with their prey for fun, sometimes not even eat it, so yeah animalistic death is brutal and for either food or the weird sadism that ceteceans have like dolphins and orcas
@arie23256 жыл бұрын
Calling Kindred a god didin't pissed off Necrit , But calling him Nicrit did ....
@1Kapuchu1006 жыл бұрын
That you say that Kindred is not there for every single death, is contrary to what they say themselves, isn't it? "Wolf chases, what does not willingly go" (Implying that there are only two options: To go peacefully (Lamb) or to go fighting, and get chased down by Wolf). "They know we'll come... Yet they are never prepared" (Implying that they are there at the moment of Death, always). "Long have we shadowed your deeds. Turn and face us now!" (To Katarina, also implying that they have been there for every kill). Of course you can argue that the "Us" is them seeing themselves as more than individuals, but as a Force, and thus they know that Death, as a concept, will be there for everyone and everything, but I am not sure I buy that entirely. I think the difference is in how we see them. You, Skyen, see Kindred as a God (or Gods), whereas I see them as an anthropomorphic being who IS death. They are the literal concept of Death in physical form, and is omnipresent in so far as Death happens, and in very rare cases they can be found elsewhere, too.
@zuterwer18353 жыл бұрын
There is the theory that if your culture doesn't have kindred, or if you don't know of kindred they cannot claim you. Besides there are those who have cheated death. Resurrection, and undeath. Meaning they aren't all powerful. Some have also escaped them. Even though its mostly a delay rather than an escape
@yes783 жыл бұрын
There sếm to be more than 1 death, so kindred is not alone, there are other that do the same thing but theyre not kindred
@destinitaylor43602 жыл бұрын
@@zuterwer1835 I think they actually talk about this. “Those who do return wish they hadn’t.”
@blackcrasanblade2 жыл бұрын
@@destinitaylor4360 true mainly listen to the lines they say i get that
@blackcrasanblade2 жыл бұрын
@@zuterwer1835 if i recall right there’s a irish fairy that solitary type fairy that a death fairy that is often have a show in story’s as the headless horseman they are claims that if you carry a gold coin they let you be if you don’t you get your soul taken but not always they are known to have a option to make a deal if you win you walk away unharmed they often was claimed to be seen on roads at knight
@benpeterson46732 жыл бұрын
Okay, so you mentioned the hooks, but I think it goes a little farther than that. Wolf absolutely has a hook because that's what you use to catch and forcefully remove something from an environment, like a fishhook or like "giving someone the hook" on stage (very fitting).However, when you turn that upside down, not only do you get something like a yin/yang symbol if you put them together, which is really cool, but you also get a shepherd's crook; something used to gently guide an animal to where you want them to go. That symbol specifically can take on either aspect, and I just love how they did that.
@SpyroDraconem6 жыл бұрын
If you really think about it, Noxus and Demacia both already visually represent which of the two (Lamb or Wolf) they would take in death. Such as with Noxus, they don't visually have wolves on their attire but how they look fits the concept of the Wolf. For example, Darius and Draven's weapons clearly weren't meant to give quick painless deaths. They were meant to crush the enemies that stand before them, leaving brutal gory messes behind much like how Wolf gives brutal death. Even in their armor, more jagged tones can be seen, the colors are harsher and crimson (the color of blood) is often there in that color scheme. Demacia, likewise, has more refined looking weapons. Garen's weapon is beautifully curved in an way that would kill quicker and not leave half as much a mess behind as Darius's axe. Fiora's rapier is elegant, and realistically speaking in the game is used for quickly kill the enemy in her passive. In a way, it's clear how each nation would accept the duo. Demacia looks visually more refined much like how Lamb symbolizes a quick refined death, meanwhile Noxus appears harsher visually, with weapons that would seem to prolong the death of their foes and signalize the brutality of war, which Wolf represents in how he hunts down his prey and kills them brutally. Does that make sense?
@pingosucio59523 жыл бұрын
No
@verified_tinker18182 жыл бұрын
And if you've watched Arcane, Mel's mom, the Noxian general (or some such), tries to teach Mel to be like a wolf: merciless.
@KumikoAyane2 жыл бұрын
It does make sense, but there aren't only two regions that you can compare to them...Demacia, Ionia, Piltover would probably choose the lamb and Noxus, Bilgewater, Zaun would rather be haunted by the wolf. Still I wander what would choose Freljord and Shurima🤔
@brunop.87456 жыл бұрын
Kindred. Oh boy these guys. My favorite characters in League art-wise. Their lore, voice lines, its all great. IF ONLY THEY WEREN'T SO CRAP IN-GAME
@MinecraftBPs6 жыл бұрын
They weren't since the start of season 8 and got random buffs, so thats kinda nice ^^
@tyleredwards97994 жыл бұрын
gameplay honestly got better with thte most recent "rework" they got
@dirhido96654 жыл бұрын
except she's really good..
@HarleySB4 жыл бұрын
Kindred works these days. I've turned unwinnable games with them. Can't wait for the new skin!!!!
@unluckyomens3704 жыл бұрын
@@tyleredwards9799 you either carry or do awful on kindred imo her ult needs some changes
@irimiriam29345 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love kindred because of how well it was all thought out. Plus the champion is just kindof... set apart from the rest, and i like that. I also like how lamb says “i will never run from you dear wolf” but this is paradoxical because wolf only begins the chase after the choice is made. Wolf will never get to chase Lamb because it isn’t her fate to die at the hands of wolf. They cannot exist without each other. one represents a sort of fleeting hope that one might chase in an attempt to deny their own mortality and inevitable demise, and the other represents this solemn and calm acceptance. They arent just another representation of light/dark, order/chaos, or ying/yang and i really appreciate that.
@timothymclean6 жыл бұрын
The last bit of the first short story really strikes me. "Until the day there is only Kindred" and "I will never run from you" imply a distinctly omnicidal bent to them (or at least Lamb; Wolf seems more endlessly homicidal than gradually omnicidal, if there's a difference to that distinction). Also, I'd like to repeat my suggestion about examining the differences between character design techniques used in visual and textual media (visual depiction versus visual description).
@Stolanis6 жыл бұрын
It makes no sense to say that the representation of death is anything-cidal. It would be like saying that the Grim Reaper is the one who hunts you down with his scythe while you still live - he doesn't, he's just the dude who turns up to collect your soul after you've died. The Reaper merely plays the role of psychopomp, guiding your immortal soul to the afterlife. Similarly Kindred is not the one *responsible* for your death - rather they are a being that represents the physical process of death. The whole hunting motif they have going on is a metaphor for facing death with either acceptance or defiance ('Those who run from death stood still in life.'), but ultimately it makes no difference because you're already dead anyway.
@yurinabesima6 жыл бұрын
I've always thought that Lamb's line "I will never run from you, dear Wolf" is actually a mockery on him. Everything that the Wolf wants is that his victims try to run so he can enjoy the thrill of the hunt, by accepting her end, Lamb will be denying the Wolf of his last chance of having fun after the death of everything else.
@alchemicpunk15096 жыл бұрын
Interesting viewpoint, Kaz. I'd actually go the route of "of course they're omnicidal, they're f*cking death", so kudos on actually giving that some thought. Though I'd change that from physical process of death to metaphysical embodiment of the moment of death. Seems more accurate that way, since nothing about them is physical in the literal sense.
@webbowser88343 жыл бұрын
It could also be more of a philosophical statement. "Will there be a time where life itself no longer exists" is a very common philosophical question, so this could just be Kindred saying that yes, there will come day where life is unable to sustain itself and there is no longer another one to carry on.
@timothymclean3 жыл бұрын
@@Stolanis The Grim Reaper isn't (generally depicted as) a psychopomp, it's (generally) the guy cutting down the metaphorical wheat of human lives. It's the Grim _Reaper,_ not the Grim _Thresher._ That's the impression I get from Kindred, too.
@jinxybolts60626 жыл бұрын
"Hello to the dead and the dying" Wow that got real dark very fast
@EdoDave6 жыл бұрын
Kindred are, personally, one of my favourite designs in the game. The voice actors also did a fantastic job. I like
@ilis72576 жыл бұрын
EdoDave Daniel me likey
@louis-charlesnadeau34476 жыл бұрын
But I think you forgot about 1 thing (tho didnt really paid attention)... What about when their is only Kindred? Lamb will never flee from wolf's bite but wolf will never accept lamb's arrow. So what happends? Thats something that I want to happend. The very last piece of Runeterra's timeline! Plus, notice how, at the end of the second story, evrybody has a wolf mask or a lamb mask representing who they chose to end their life... But Lamb... Has a wolf mask? And wolf has a lamb mask? That fits with what I said previously: sometime in a FARRRRR future, their will be 2 living thing on Runeterra; A Lamb and a Wolf...
@Taliesin_6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing this up. Some really nice detail in the art and lore of the character.
@kikofernandez91846 жыл бұрын
i dont know where did i see it but somewhere i saw that everything meets kindred and when nothing else is there lamb will reflect on wolfs eyes and wolfs in lambs. I think is more that they would fight till both are death more than wolf takes the arrow or lamb flee from wolf
@huybui-rn8vc5 жыл бұрын
Louish Nad I’m so confused
@mattockmaniac47275 жыл бұрын
I don't think wolf will run from lamb's arrow, in the end they would probably just end each other like they did so many others. When Kindred dies in game we can see wolf immediately attacking lamb's falling body before they both dissolve into a shadow. I believe that's the case here: Wolf chases Lamb down but then without lamb he too dies. Either because they physically literally cannot exist without the other or he becomes too lonely without lamb and accepts death upon himself. I imagine his last moments like that would be him seeing lamb and feeling her arrows ram through him and he accepts them and returns to Lamb to become Kindred yet again.
@sirwasel5 жыл бұрын
*Laughs in Mordekaiser*
@Flailmorpho6 жыл бұрын
when are we getting What's the Deal With Airline Food
@drdoom700da3 жыл бұрын
this is the best comment on this video
@FrogEnjoyer173 жыл бұрын
Get out
@ScottMcDaniel2 жыл бұрын
Arcane had me going down a League Lore Hole, and I came across this, since I also think Kindred is one of their best character concepts. But I decided to specifically subscribe when you did the voices of stereotypical Demarcian and Noxian responses to death. I'm pretty sure I'm going to enjoy your content!
@ReadingAllDayLong5 жыл бұрын
"Same as wolf has, he has very recognizable animal ears" Loved Kindred since release, never ever noticed that Wolf has ears until now. *"very recognizable animal ears"*
@elderlich75622 жыл бұрын
The ears on wolf are part of the lamb mask actually.
@chrisodwyer54736 жыл бұрын
what's the deal with the shove king Yorick (After watching) you didn't say anything about the kindreds theme it's so good it starts off very soft and calm, lamb then gets really fast and louder, wolf and it my favorite league of legends song
@Ennsqui6 жыл бұрын
Thanks my dude, you never disapoint so I’m hype to see you dissect this
@abdullahirfan9991 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see kindred smack talk necromantic, immortal or death based characters like morde, viego, yorrick, yone, carthus, Vladimir and heck a voiceline between kindred and the darkin would be cool Aatrox: i have sought you for how long, yet you still do no take me Lamb: when your times comes, fallen Wolf: we will be there Or Lamb: they do not belong to you Wolf: give. Them. Back. Thresh: make me
@TheDrexxus2 жыл бұрын
Kindred is very much the one that takes you when you die. Everyone. Lamb explains this herself when she is telling her story to Wolf. "All must meet this man." They are death itself, all of it. Everyone who dies encounters them. They don't "cause" all death (although they are capable of causing death if they feel like it), but they ARE death.
@nintendo6256 жыл бұрын
Please do a video about the demons (tahm kench/Eve etc) could also mention how they'd do future demons in champs and reworks
@Dreadspark_2 жыл бұрын
Those voices at 10:00 was like surprisingly great! It was so unexpected I had to do a double take and listen again! :O
@jacklund68713 жыл бұрын
I think that they made her lamb was because lambs are generally associated with calmness and peace. Similarly to how we’re told to count jumping sheep to get us to sleep. It may just be her name and not necessarily her species
@airelia40516 жыл бұрын
I love Kindred so much, the splash art, the in game model, the voice acting, even the loading screen music. Kindred came out when I started playing so I might be a little biased, but I just adore everything about the character design.
@robinmatz66866 жыл бұрын
Kindred was my first login screen
@xThePlayStation69x6 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if you could cover the art style and story of Ori and the Blind Forest? It is an absolutely beautiful game and would love to see your take on it.
@Anna4642 жыл бұрын
Your explanation of the norse gods is wonderfully accurate. They might be powerful but they are also able to make mistakes like a mortal would. Kindred is a fascinating character and I honestly will say they are my favourite even to this day.
@morbidmaroonzero96932 жыл бұрын
From what I know and understand, Riot already posted/noted before that Kindred's abilities in-game does not reflect its capabilities in the lore. They also mentioned that Kindred will also eventually be the end of the celestials, like A Sol, Bard, Soraka, etc. When nothing is left that is capable of dying, Lamb and Wolf will both kill each other. Also, there was never only ONE Kindred. Kindred exists in every part of Runeterra except the Shadow Isles(since nothing is really capable of death there anymore) and the only distinct difference between them is their appearance because it was mentioned before that their appearance depends on how the person views kindred. It depends on their culture, as seen in Ionia with Spirit Blossom Kindred(this skin is actually canon or so I've heard).
@ninjakirby7776 жыл бұрын
Did you see the new god king darius? He has a wolf.
@tehtayziez6 жыл бұрын
ninjakirby777 A video about those skins could be cool actually
@fantismalscape71633 жыл бұрын
My opinion for kindred is like they're the 'scenario' lamb is the swift wolf is the slow, anguish to stagnant, dream to drift, what I mean is they're just a figure to swift death and slow agony.
@haruhirogrimgar60473 жыл бұрын
I went into this video with low expectations since Kindred reminds me intensely of Pagan spirits and deities (just missing the cycle of life and death rather than it being seen as a finality which isn't all that common in Pagan religions/cultures) which are normally poorly understood. Though one thing you missed I really appreciate about Lamb's and Wolf's dichotomy: Wolf feels emotions but shows no understanding of the consequence for his actions while lamb seems to be unable to feel emotions but fully understands the consequences of their actions. This makes Wolf seem far more innocent and Lamb as far more insidious.
@melkerlinderoth27426 жыл бұрын
24:21 Well, Darius just got a skin named "God king Darius" and the wolf is the main theme.
@krustygraze1896 жыл бұрын
Everytime Skyen hits me with that "myyyyyy name is T.B. Skyen" in his intros, it always succeeds in ruffling my jimmies. It's something about the low, gruffly voice when he says that one line
@TBSkyen6 жыл бұрын
From now on I will introduce myself as TBSkyen, Jimmy Rustler.
@thescrub76823 жыл бұрын
@@TBSkyen please do
@FranciscaPires6 жыл бұрын
I stopped playing league a very long time ago but damn these videos are great and are making me want to play again! 👌✨ it's really nice to listen (or watch) to proper critique too!
@HarleySB4 жыл бұрын
TB, just rewatched this. Godly Polo, the KZfaqr, got me back into playing Kindred, which led to rewatching A Good Death, and of course this video popped back up. Your breakdown of one of my favorite LoL champions is fantastic, as always. Smart, in depth, and inclusive. Thanks, dude. Never one, without the other.
@Nemenian6 жыл бұрын
YESSSSS!!! im so excited! I've been asking forever! Woohoo!
@snowbot89626 жыл бұрын
This is really cool, I really like this video. Interestingly enough, your point about iconography might be addressed in the new skins for Garen and Darius (well probably just Darius). His new skin, God King Darius, incorporates a wolf onto his axe/scythe. All his animations interact with this spectral wolf that comes with him. Its interesting to think about now that you mention what Kindred should mean to Noxus.
@Corthate11 ай бұрын
I no longer play League of Legends, but I literally started playing again for a while because Kindred was released. I adore their concept and design and, as always, Skyen delves into the bit gritty of what makes them so unique. Thank you, my friend, for putting into words what I could only intuitively feel until now.
@raldrid82642 жыл бұрын
IMO lamb is wonderfully designed. You have the black faced lamb's who are black in detail in their legs and face but not their coat. Like lamb is with the dark mask and dark legs. Lamb's also have droopy ear syndrome which is represented here. Maybe its because I am aware of all the different types of lambs as my family use to be farmers, that im aware of the small designs but its so cool.
@excalibursonic32 Жыл бұрын
Damn, you basically predicted the nature of Kindred and the existence of other spirits of death during that intro :o
@alchemicpunk15096 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's a shame that pretty much only revamped Karthus has a strong connection to the Kindred. And his VO never was updated to incorporate that, either. Which leads me to a question. You probably know it already. What's the deal with Karthus?
@KitKat-jq7ow6 жыл бұрын
Nachtkriecher Karthus gave himself to the shadow isles which is where his power came from I guess. Kindred has a voice line towards the Blade of the Rune King when wolf ask’s what the blade it is, lamb answers saying “it’s of a land not welcome to us”
@KitKat-jq7ow6 жыл бұрын
Or something like that
@altarofshadows2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see an updated version of this
@olive_garden87183 жыл бұрын
I agree they put themselves in a little bit of a pickle with making them very world renowned. As far as designs go for other characters who could represent them via iconography or motifs (TB had mentioned Darius, Katarina, etc. for wolf motifs), that's where I think they would run into a big problem, not only in redesigning so many champions. For kingdoms like Demacia and Noxus, with so many armored, military involved champions, they would risk designs blending together too much. They have their respective color schemes that link characters together and a color scheme is a very broad thing to work with, where repeating motifs can be much more difficult to incorporate. Where you aren't super limited with a set color scheme and how you use it, there are only so many generally easy-to-recognize wolf/lamb symbols. Especially in Demacian warriors' case, trying to incorporate lamb symbology into designs would be difficult. Lambs as an animal aren't associated with any kind of traditional strength or fierceness, where wolves are a key animal in design to symbolize brutality, ferociousness, and danger. You could arguably use a ram, but you lose the kind of gentle, unnerving dignity that Lamb's character holds.
@bradondykes2276 Жыл бұрын
Since I started playing LoR, every time I think about Kindred I like to add the Ether Fiend, Vulture (the final death) in with them. I just think they make a very compelling trio.
@lauracaldascarvalho3 жыл бұрын
About the thor thing he mentioned in the beginning of the video, here in Brazil some people like to say that thunders are just saint Pedro (aka São Pedro) dragging around his furniture/rocks
@evilervcowart62342 жыл бұрын
Kindred are present for each and every death...all living things must meet them. One observes while the other steps forward, dependent upon what is in the heart of the dying.
@beatdownblackjack Жыл бұрын
The human aspect of lamb is playing into the duality nature, just as the one being basically incoporial.
@AngelicRamen2 жыл бұрын
Ah, Kindred. The only champion I grinded to M7 purely because of my love for their concept and design. They are not perfect by any means. But hot damn are they incredibly cool. And in my opinion, are incredibly compelling based on the story Lamb tells Wolf all by itself.
@xyo54176 жыл бұрын
that lamb voice acting and sound effects sent my sides to another dimension
@qualitymcbro84522 жыл бұрын
Love the lamb impression
@TekharthaMondatta6 жыл бұрын
Had been waiting for this one. Tahm Kench next please!
@inkromancer_studios2 жыл бұрын
I know this is one of your older videos, but I just wanted to say I love how you predicted the route Riot would take with the gods of death in Runterra so many years before Legends of Runterra was a thing. Well played on your part Skyen!
@weaszle24406 жыл бұрын
*grabs popcorn* I have been waiting for you to do my main.
@mekbot75786 жыл бұрын
Nice! Finally one on kindred, I'd be awesome if you could do one on Kayn/Rhaast next.
@danielsegarralabrador55323 жыл бұрын
I dont see kindred as a god of death so much as an embodiment of death, just like thanatos in ancient Greece. I think of kindred as the embodiment of the very process that takes everything that exists to their end
@ftwarcher22902 жыл бұрын
well actually the spirit blossom story about Kindred (spirit blossom kindred is the same as normal Kindred but just how Ionians view them) says that Kindred is there for every death.
@rennodumortier45813 жыл бұрын
It would be pretty cool if executioners had emblems depending on there reputation and skill. A skilled executioner who can swiftly kill someone in one swing, would be wearing things that are associated with lam. While executioners who are not as skilled or take pride in making their subjects suffer, would be wearing things associated with wolf. Just a cool idea
@KumikoAyane2 жыл бұрын
Maybe just the sign of hook they have on masks...like a tattoo or have it on clothes...
@flamingwheel99263 жыл бұрын
A better way to explain what kindred is, is an icon of death instead of a god of it, as in, It represents death, it acts as death, it is death, not something that is separate from it by ruling over it
@christiandeenbacalso81185 жыл бұрын
I had always just thought they worked similar to reapers or the ferryman, where they guide souls to the after life. Where lamb brings you softly hand in hand, and wolf is there gnawing on your ankles dragging you to wherever you need to go.
@MarkATorres19896 жыл бұрын
Cheeks hurting? Might be from the time you made that rant about Ubisoft and Hit-Record. The Truth hurts but you spoke the truth and while many may not listen and continue forward to their fates; others have listened and decided to change their fates.
@lucarioknightb76852 жыл бұрын
I’m very curious about those who walk the line of choice; “I’ve accepted that I’m going to die, but I wanna throw hands on my way out.” Would Wolf get the same satisfaction of a chase with a target who knows he’s lost already?
@Sploberrie2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The Hebrew words for both female lamb, "Taliyah" (yes just like that other champion), and wolf, "Ze'ev", are also given names for women and men respectively here in Israel.
@Pyre Жыл бұрын
Peaceful and scary. Funny. I've always felt one of the most unsettling images in all of Sandman is that full-page splash of Death in The Wake. Standing in front of Hob Gadling, smiling softly. With her arms spread wide for an embrace.
@cannoneermike6 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I sometimes over react about certain things, so when I saw Kindred for the first time I fell in love with them. I thought I would give up on adoring this concept over time, but I still love everything about it. Voice acting, design, mythology, gameplay. I just love it
@jayjaygolden51232 жыл бұрын
i like to think that deities in runeterra are a result of people's belief, rather than the other way around. The magic in the world is eithin verybody,, even those that arent talented at using it. But when a lot of people believe somethibg, will it into existance, manifest it..that magic makes it reality.
@nyom7582 жыл бұрын
This has probably been mentioned before, but Kindred also has lore in other games related to League of Legends. Sometimes, lamb is a lamb; others she is actually a little girl; in the freljord, she is actually a goat. Even Bilgewater has beliefs that it is not lamb and wolf, but it is actually a minnow and a jaull-fish, respectively. I think that having these changes could have inspired some really cool character design or even just skins
@_NotAngell6 жыл бұрын
I don't even really play LoL all that much or know any of the lore but I really love these videos. Keep up the great work.
@Azazreal3 жыл бұрын
Just as a thought on your gods part. Kindred being the god of death is referenced to be a Hunter, so its almost like Kindred is the one who makes sure you die when you are due. This makes me imagine Wolf is more for people who make bargains to live, necromancers and the like while i think you hit the nail on the head for Lamb, people who are in pain and accept Death. Sad to think of but Lamb would probably collect children that sadly dont make it as well then. What i would love to see is Lamb helping someone considered ''Evil'' or Wolf hunting down a ''Good'' person because Kindred should be Neutral. Your life does not matter to Them, its your Death that gets their attention. This would then lead people to belief that all people have a time to die and they should face it proudly, otherwise they face the Hunter and dishonor. That can give strength to Kindred as almost closer to Death in the Terry Pratchett series, more a guide to give the spirit a push in the right direction. Not really good or bad, Death just IS.
@OneTwoPeanut Жыл бұрын
I know this isn't canon anywhere as far as I know but it's entirely possible that in the culture of runeterra it's considered disrespectful or otherwise a bad idea to wear or carry iconography of Wolf or Lamb. It could be seen as inviting death to do such a thing, I can really think of an existing real life society that had a custom like that but generally death gods were more feared and not messed wioth and rarely depicted in various ancient cultures.
@hiddenlights28096 жыл бұрын
wait but the animal of noxus is a wolf (look at the new skin for darius, the animation for darius etc) so maybe thats how they show connection, not direct in character and armor but by symbol of their nation
@TheOvalOYED6 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual! Been waiting on this one for a while. I had no clue about that artist at the end, I should look into that.
@alonachiong6667 ай бұрын
Shakespeare made a poem how we are all performers in a play. We are actors and in the end at the curtains fall we must take a bow and die
@Ghilannugs6 жыл бұрын
I've always thought of Lamb's ears as the ears of the Najdi sheep which is a breed of sheep with long hanging ears
@b14elijahmaun373 жыл бұрын
pog he predicted it 5:23
@StokerGamer3 жыл бұрын
Tbh i think kindred is there for all deaths, it might not be an all powerfull god like in the abrahamic religions but i dont think it is like in the norse ones either because kindred is a fact in runeterra and people everywhere see it and pray to it, contrary to gods more a kin to norse mythology gods like the targonian ones or the frieljord once, even if names change they are still kindred, even gods and demons have a place where they are or inhabit there is no omnicience or omnipresense but kindred is different unless it would make an effort to be known world wide and spread its name to be known like when it appeared Magga in "A good death" short story, even though it says she came to it and not the other way around and it said that it would come to Magga's companions as it was their time to meet kindred, that and because Magga still saw kindred even though her death was natural and in front of royals it was not particularly important or fun as she accepted lambs arrow so no need to be chased by wolf, also last bit of lore supporting kindred being omnipresent when it comes to death is the grey man, fiddlesticks calls kindred the grey man so the pale man in the kindred trailer the one that everything alive has to meet assuming fiddlesticks knows about kindred story the one lamb tells to wolf we can assume its true and as lamb herself says everything has to meet the pale man now kindred
@funkerdoo6 жыл бұрын
Skyen your fucking voice acting is phenomenal
@calebvex6728 Жыл бұрын
Is Jhin a Worshipper of Kindred? He's Theatrical, he wears a mask, he makes Death into something graceful and agonizing.
@XxOmenx6 жыл бұрын
So happy with this Kindred video! Also as a side note, the "dislike" button banter at the end always gets me, makes me smile and hit the like button even faster.
@FranciscaPires6 жыл бұрын
Also your intro is always great and your voice is really nice to listen to. 😊✨
@justsomedudete33205 жыл бұрын
I do have to say, the also have a AMAZING voice performance... I don't know who voiced Lamb, but god damn, they got Matt Mercer to voice wolf and it is great!
@JoViljarHaugstulen5 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qMWAlNBy2s3FlmQ.html It certainly is amazing though I didn't really appreciate it before randomly stumbling upon that video
@the_don46717 ай бұрын
It's cool looking at it now 5 years later, you see her or wolf before you die but they don't kill you they masked what kills you like you are in a fight with a Viking, you turn the corner to face him then you see her
@Na-rp4ql6 жыл бұрын
The design would've worked better if their Ultimate was a switch/transformation type. First form is a ranged humanoid archer huntress with ovine features followed a spectral giant wolf, second form is a melee barbarian spear hunter with lupine features followed by a spectral angelic sheep. It would communicate the theme much better and make for interesting gameplay, even if League already did have two shapeshifters.
@ninjakirby7776 жыл бұрын
N/a three if you include jayce
@EldritchMango6 жыл бұрын
Oh God now I will keep imagining how Kindred is interpreted in the different regions of Runeterra 🖤
@satriahadi18932 жыл бұрын
kindred are the two perspective of death, there are people in runterra who's like " i'll accept my fate. I will not fight death, so i choose to die in peace " and the other is like " i will died fighthing. with honor till my last dying breath "
@seta2710 Жыл бұрын
Ok, I kinda see your point about Darius and Draven, but using kindred stuff for them would likely be Tacky in the same way that skulls would be tacky on irl executioner’s robes
@WanderingTayson Жыл бұрын
10:00 the duality of skyen
@zaolat94406 жыл бұрын
I really wanted this! Thank you!
@denmarechague2379 Жыл бұрын
Oummm so this short story is so perfect for our philosophy class hehehhehehe sorry imma use this cuz it's so believable and it's giving me the chills💀
@envysart7972 жыл бұрын
I suppose technically Demacia incorporates a lot of the colour white in their iconography- you could retroactively view this as a nod to their understanding of Lamb. And yes I know it’s because it’s the colour of petricite - but it could be a case where Lamb is white *because* of Demacia, and having such a major nation associate the colour white with their military, and therefore with death. So the fact Lux, Xin Xiao, Garen etc all wear white armour could be taken as a nod to Kindred (and Jarvan needs a rework)
@SkyBlueMistGhost6 жыл бұрын
Yes!! Awesome. I love Kindred, I love the concept of it
@lolosh993 жыл бұрын
Welp, after years of lore development of death lore, it’s seems the Kindred are there for every death that happened, is happening, and will happen. Not necessarily causing it.
@Dean1231231003 жыл бұрын
Dr. House once said "You can't die with dignity; we can't die with it." What that is, is a call, a call to those on death's doorstep to not give up, to keep fighting because their life is precious, maybe not to them and definitely not to him but it is precious to someone. While you are alive your life is not solely your own. We all have a duty to live for those that care for and about us. The Noxians fighting till the end, saying "IF YOU WANT ME, COME GET ME BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO CATCH ME FIRST" is probably the only thing I like about them and the only thing I have in common with them. Fight on and live. You sure as hell know Pantheon would tell you to considering most of his "moving" quotes...