What Should You Wear When It Rains? | Softshell Vs Hardshell Cycling Jackets

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4 жыл бұрын

So you’re going to ride your road bike in the rain, do you go softshell or hardshell jacket? You might keep the rain out with the hardshell, but will the softshell stop your sweat staying in? At GCN we’ve done our best to create monsoon conditions of the most epic proportions in order to answer this question.
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4 жыл бұрын

You know something is wrong when a cycling show in the UK is using artificial rain

@clacclackerson3678 4 жыл бұрын

That's the only rain we're getting in eastern Australia.

@zyghom 4 жыл бұрын

buhahahahahaha, I was just about to say THE SAME!

@tommycooperfish 4 жыл бұрын

That's because it's all already on the fookin ground.

@EndUser-yu7gg 4 жыл бұрын

then you can wait for it to start evaporating and that humid mist *ugh gosh....

@michaellee1663 4 жыл бұрын

But it has been OFFICIALLY the wettest Autumn on record in the UK and you found the dry day to test? Ayayay ☔🇬🇧😂

@Sttuey 4 жыл бұрын

When it's raining I wear my house.

@simonrichardson5259 4 жыл бұрын

😂

@praisethesun9005 4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha noice

@thecrowfliescrooked 4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant

@t.w.5282 4 жыл бұрын

You are the real turtle. Rofl

@davidking3699 4 жыл бұрын

and commute in the car... the roads can be damn slippery...

@TheQuikMix 4 жыл бұрын

gym shorts, a nice pair of comfortable socks, maybe a t-shirt, a warm electric blanket, a recliner, and cup of coffee. That's basically my complete rain day gear lineup.

@GDF07 4 жыл бұрын

3:04 Gotta love Si's impersonation of the Assos man

@hexonatapeloop 4 жыл бұрын

GDF you haven’t gotta love anything. You’re allowed to think gcn is shit you know.

@kaakkunen2 4 жыл бұрын

ahhhahhaaa :D :D :D

@giantnanomachine 4 жыл бұрын

Well, it's only a matter of time now until someone comes up with a gravel-specific shell...

@moi7748 4 жыл бұрын

Hybrid?

@MikeKoPhotography 4 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome! Lol!

@jarnozondag694 4 жыл бұрын

@Mi Gi and a ceremic one

@chinboy66 4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@bradsburgess4806 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah rite!!🤔

@donaldthomson9411 3 жыл бұрын

I wear a soft shell as my first layer and on top of it a hard shell. That covers all bases..... in the Scottish Summer.

@mabotelh0 4 жыл бұрын

I had no interest in the difference between the jackets, but I watched the whole thing just to see Si’s suffering.

@t.w.5282 4 жыл бұрын

Smar here. 😁

@syrus3k 4 жыл бұрын

100%

@constantinmunteanu8919 2 жыл бұрын

me too:)))))

@kwakkers68 4 жыл бұрын

My inner Nerd thinks this: You'd have been better doing a 'dry' session (for each) first, then you could calibrate the weight of any sweat content, before moving on to the 'rain' tests. e.g. rain content - sweat content = effectiveness for hard / soft shell With the added bonus that this would give you a sweat calibration for each clothing item, as well as the rain protection factor.

@SimonH72 4 жыл бұрын

If I’d paid that much for a hardshell, I’d be wearing it even in mid-summer! 🤣😳

@positiivi_teme 4 жыл бұрын

Few aspect you could have mentioned in the video. If your ride is one hour long, how much more will you gather up sweat in the hardshell. And secondly how would a new, high end softshell comparison to the hardshell. And as a bonus, it would be interesting to get a thermometer inside the jacket to show the heat accumulation. 😁

@FragkiskosVellis 4 жыл бұрын

Same here: start with my beloved softshell but keep a hardshell in the back pocket. Additional advantage: you always need an extra layer to put on, if you are forced to stop for longer (e.g. puncture or other mechanical).

@gruttewibe76 Жыл бұрын

That advice can even be life-saving. If you're wet, and it's windy, and you have a puncture in some exposed surroundings then hypothermia is around the corner.

@jasboehlke Жыл бұрын

My scenario as well, why I have a stupid expensive water proof shell, shake dry.

@colinthompson5881 4 жыл бұрын

I find soft shell get too cold on very long wet rides, but great for shorter ones. Hard shell seems essential this autumn

@mariuscristiantrif1537 4 жыл бұрын

Si, you and your friends and this channel is amazing !! Thank you so much for both the information and the energy.

@theresalarson9416 Жыл бұрын

Thx! I was so confused about the two options. You explained it perfectly!

@nikveldkamp8630 4 жыл бұрын

Well, I'm sorry Simon, but you have to do it again with a properly impregnated softshell. A softshell that poorly water repelling like yours is only useful in cold but dry conditions. OR repeat it with a hardshell washed often enough that its impregnation is washed off, too. Because once its outer fabric is soaked up, the RET value spikes up similar to a (obviously non-porous) trash bag, so you'd sweat more while less moisture is tranfered out. (RET is the measurement of the resistance to evaporative heat loss. The lower the RET value, the less resistance to moisture transfer and therefore higher breathability.) And there are some smart hybrid jackets with hardshell panels on shoulders, upper arms, sometimes even chest, too - so with rain slashing against you by the headwind, your garment won't wick up so much water while still letting evaporate more on your back. Happy testing...

@nikveldkamp8630 4 жыл бұрын

Forgot Gore Shakedry which is everything but rugged, so without any backpack (mtb), it's ideal for cycling, packing smaller than traditional hardshells and no need to re-impregnate if their claim is true.

@cristianguerrero9683 4 жыл бұрын

Hello Si, gonna check those jackets out. Happy holidays to all of you at GCN, your channel keeps me in the loop,and helps me with my healing process. Thank you!

@mountaineer5596 Жыл бұрын

Some very useful information. Thanks.

@ivancamacho7668 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting effort! You have a very clear understanding of what science is! Congrats! In other than UK cold season climates your conclusion at the end to go with the soft shell is good too! In tropical climates, there is nothing like soft shell jackets as even when it rains, its hardly ever cold and you always sweat. Hard shell jackets can only be used during heavy heavy rains or storms, or in motorcycles, but those are very uncomfortable to use while exercising.

@andybucher452 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for testing Si. For myself for cold drizzly conditions or risk of light rain softshell for sure. In consistent or heavy rain I feel best about a full waterproof with big adjustable vents under the arms. Open before things get too steamy...

@ErwinPfuhler 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this awesome video - it helps me a great deal! Now, I will definitely have my hardshell as a backup for long rides!

@htmonaro1969 3 жыл бұрын

I've run a few trail-based ultramarathons and purchased a Patagonia Storm Racer jacket. It is excellent in heavy rain and is quite breathable. The latest version has 2 zippers so you can have carry a hydration vest.

@chrishayes121 4 жыл бұрын

With Si's legendary sweat output I was convinced that the shirt under the hard shell would be significantly heavier. As always top science.

@pjclinch00 4 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up for entertainment value and a lot of good info in there... but here's some more points about whether you might want soft or hard shells. First up, "soft shell" has become a marketing term that means different things to different marketing departments, but the crucial point is (as Si notes) water-resistant rather than proof and more breathable. The stretchy/soft thing ain't so: something like OMM's Gelanots fabric is soft to the touch, stretchy, and formally waterproof, for example, and something like a Buffalo Teclite soft shell isn't stretchy and isn't aero. There's huge variation, so if getting a soft shell it's worth having a think about the exact sort of thing it's aimed at, so for example a Buffalo Special 6 is awesome for technical single-track in the snow, and would be pretty much no use at all on a road bike. The real key to whether you want soft or hard shell isn't about wetness, but about heat. Staying dry isn't an end in itself, but staying at a comfortable temperature is: if you're too hot or too cold you can't perform well. Water is an amazing conductor of heat so if you get wet you'll cool down far more. This may be a Good Thing on a summer day, but a terrible thing if it's close to freezing, so the general ambient temperature will be a major factor in whether it's okay to get soaking or not. It's also worth bearing in mind the length of ride and the way soft-shells let water in. What keeps water out of a soft shell, particularly one with a close-weave rather than a membrane, is surface tension (often enhanced by the DWR coating that helps drops form and run off). Once something soaks through, however, there goes your surface tension, so once they start letting water in then the flood gates soon open. Membrane soft-shells might actually have a formally waterproof backing (Gore Windstopper, for example, is waterproof as long as it's really clean) but the garments will leak through the seams and again once a leak starts it will give a channel for more and faster water ingress, and once in those wicking base layers you paid so much for will wick the cold water all around the inside of your jacket, waterproof membrane or not. So on a shortish ride in a soft-shell keeping the worst out may be enough, but after a certain period of time the s-s will effectively give up and you'll get very wet, and thus on a cool day potentially very cold, very quickly. So the answer is... a velomobile, or perhaps take the lead from the opening with a brolly. The Dutch Senz umbrella is windproof to faster than a bike will go, and umbrella mounts for bikes are available in NL...

@neilstoddart00001 4 жыл бұрын

love the comedic approach, keep it coming Si! as a Scot i have a hardshell in my wardrobe, living in Tuscany a softshell is far more useful. As the Scandinavians say, "there's no such thing as bad weather only bad clothing". ride to the conditions.

@robertbotta6536 3 жыл бұрын

Great test. As usual. Many thanks.

@richaw6689 4 жыл бұрын

Good effort Si.. both have their place, for me, usually together in the winter months in the UK. It rains a lot here in the summer too, so I use the HS then as well!

@veloriderkm 4 жыл бұрын

Both are necessary to own. I am most indoors now but for Canadian winters, I prefer the hard shell if I’m not stopping at a cafe or if it’s windy, wet, or both. The soft shell is great for cold days where layering comes into play and at the cafe stop, a fresh base layer and socks make all the difference. I pack mine in a waterproof bag and keep them underneath my jacket so they aren’t cold when changing into.

@OldschoolDT 4 жыл бұрын

I think for my type of riding a hardshell will be the best solution. Thank you for testing the jackets in such ugly conditions.

@eltribun 4 жыл бұрын

I prefer softshell and its breathability & comfort, and when the rain radar says rain is likley to come I pack a thin waterproof shell in the pocket

@maniac0303 4 жыл бұрын

That's the way to go...

@sylvainbernaers 4 жыл бұрын

same for me,best option

@charliewhiskey8440 4 жыл бұрын

Yep.

@yellekoeel12 4 жыл бұрын

... or, as in my case, one doesn't go cycling.

@eltribun 4 жыл бұрын

@@yellekoeel12 so you just like gcn for no particular reason 😂

@drewwilkins9963 2 жыл бұрын

Good on you for suffering that test. Such dedication!

@speedsweets67 4 жыл бұрын

So much respect for your lonely quest to give us some insight. However, softshells like a Gabba are magnificent, i ride it 6 months a year during my commutes,, but a softshell when soaked does noet give one the protection a hardshell will give. When you are totally soaked a hardshell will keep the cold wind outside and the heat inside. The soaked softshell will not. Trust me, i have experienced quiet some cold rides. My shakedry goretex is always a back-up..

@TheRst2001 4 жыл бұрын

Good vid , temp, rain and WINDspeed which can make a big difference to exposure :) . Your personal experience is spot on me thinks. This winter to avoid boil in a bag ! Have been wearing a base layer, a cheap polyester hoodie ( my softshell) and a windshirt which works well. Theres many different types of soft shell, ie the buffalo types. But the base layer choice can be important . Brynje baselayers for cycling in bad wet weather , as brynje is a mesh system creating air pockets keeping moisture off the skin. Use these for backpacking and it works great in wet wind cold. So a good base layer that properly removes water away from your skin will enhance the practicality of your soft shell! :)

@ianmoore3785 3 жыл бұрын

I've used a Castelli Passo Giau since 2017 and it is still going strong, handled everything training in the Norwegian weather can throw at me. Use it whole year, but especially through winter with only a short or long sleeve baselayer depending how cold it is (I've trained in temps well below zero). I've never treated it with any DWR and it is still very good at keeping out the water. It does let some in, but it's never been uncomfortable. Never liked hard shells due to the fact I run hot no matter what the weather and they always feel "boil in the bag". Recently invested in a goretex shakedry, but it has still not been used on a ride, the trusty Castelli is taken every time, although it is quickly becoming smelly after washes now, so it may not last much longer.

@ianstewart8301 4 жыл бұрын

All for Science! Thanks. I only have soft shell and don’t consider my windbreaker as hard shell, but I’d love to get one for extra warmth and rain.

@brianschiff35 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking one for the team.

@effyleven 3 жыл бұрын

All jokes and gags apart, they are extremely well made videos, aren't they? Amusing, but always genuinely informative.

@chris_noswe 4 жыл бұрын

"Freezing cold" then takes off his jacket and base layer later on. Got chills just watching it..

@mindgraphy_ 4 жыл бұрын

I have the PNS shield jacket with Schoeller C-change fabric and it is marketed as a waterproof jacket but the fabric is supposed to breathe well, too. Same as the hard-shell in the video, the membrane is supposed to open at hot temperatures and close at cold temperatures. I guess it is categorized as a hard shell. The thing I like about it is the side vents under armpits. If I'm going for a harder ride I layer less under the jacket, just a baselayer, and keep the side vents open. I do feel warm and at times a bit sweaty during the ride, but always warm and protected from rain and wind. When I get home and take off the jacket, I see moisture and wetness around the vents/zippers but no so much around the rest of the jacket. I think this is a good trade-off - a hardshell with vents to let the worst moisture out; however, the membrane fabric should be a bit breathable as well.

@philiphiggs1615 4 жыл бұрын

Agree with your findings Simon. A quality hard shell water proof is ideal for heavy prolonged rain. The soft shell semi water proof is better in light drizzle.

@jeffbrunton3291 4 жыл бұрын

Soft shell to keep warm and dry in light showers, plus a shake dry in back pocket as an extra layer in case of extended heavy rain Done, there is no better combo

@richardyamin226 4 жыл бұрын

PNW Commuter, my choice is a long sleeve wool jersey with either a long or short sleeve base layer. Add a wind vest at 4C/40F to adjust for wind chill, add a hard shell when temperatures dip into the 2C /35F.

@Carlosediaz543 3 жыл бұрын

Here in California I’m rockin a MAAP vest and the occasional arm warmers. I find for colder mornings/ when it’s drizzling that set up works perfectly. I usually take my arm warms off mid ride.

@billc7211 4 жыл бұрын

I've got one of the Gore Shakedry jackets which crams easily into a back pocket. Perfect here in Colorado where, let's face it, we usually only may get caught in the rain rather than go out in it on purpose. Love that jacket

@jenny1283 4 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure why this is so satisfying to watch 😂 but seeing Si get sprayed by sprinklers tickles me

@AlexRochette 4 жыл бұрын

I did a 4-hour bike ride this morning a few light showers in the middle and the softshell did its job. And serious downpour in the last 20 minutes for which I needed my back-pocketed hardshell. Thanks GCN Science! So now, funny detail: you needed a hose in the UK and I was riding in “sunny” California where it’s been raining for the past week. :-D :-D

@cleggycyclist 4 жыл бұрын

Si is the quickest person I "know" at putting on and removing his gloves, does it so fast multiple times in this video...

@davehoover8853 3 жыл бұрын

If it’s cold and really wet, you will want the hard shell as was once you are wet, the cold will take over, with possible dangerous consequences if you are not protected. For most any other conditions, softshells are great. Super comfy, versatile in a wide range of temps and much more quiet and comfortable to wear. I backcountry ski in colder, drier weather than you have in Merry Ole, and would never trade my soft shell as out heat output is huge on a climb with skis. Cycling in the Pacific Northwest in the rain cold - hardshell protection!!

@grahamriley8124 3 жыл бұрын

Caught a few times in rain, sometimes full on sheet rain. Every time in a soft shell which has been treated with Nikwax, the rain has beaded off. The new shake dry jackets are pretty good too and I have been very surprised by their breathability which is getting better than a plastic bag finally!

@Dragoniel_Iskaliri_Silverwing 4 жыл бұрын

I usually use a hybrid solution - soft shell jersey + a sleeveless windbreaker "jacket" during rain, even in near freezing weather. The reason being is that riding generates so much heat, it doesn't matter if I am wet or not. It is still warm enough, so long as I don't stop. Windbreaker protects the torso from too much of a heat loss as well. I only wear heavier hardshell jerseys when the temps drop below zero celsius and windchill becomes the primary problem. I ride in shorts down to -5C. I use rain covers for shoes when it is raining (and below zero for windchill protection).

@Kneichion 3 жыл бұрын

Entertaining for sure

@GeekfromYorkshire 4 жыл бұрын

Winter: Paramo Velez and just adjust venting as you go uphill/downhill. Summer: eVent highly vented Showerspass, vapour escapes out back vent blown through up sleeves. Your test is not valid as not moving so the air passing through is not there to push vapour through and out.

@svenweihusen57 3 жыл бұрын

When the coating on a soft shell of even Gore-Tex stuff is gone the breathability is gone when wet. It's quite logical because when water vapour comes in contact with water it condenses and you will have a hard time getting an airflow through a solid water film. I would like to see the results for the softshell when it is brand-new with the original coating.

@craig2100 4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video Mate

@steveh3483 3 жыл бұрын

well done Si, I do believe as near a scientific experiment as you can get and certainly interesting. A lot of soft shells are good i think and may protect you. I used to be involved with BMW and goretex clothing. I did find a lot of people brought stuff back because they thought it leaked, but generally that was condensation, or sweat but on a motor bike the conditions are different. A lot of truly breathable materials need a temperature difference to work, the breathability goes towards the cold side from the warm.

@rudyelizondo1935 4 жыл бұрын

I bought me a Rapha classic jacket with pit zips under arms and it works perfectly in any cold weather condition. I don’t know the exact fabric used but if I get too warm, I just unzip the arm pits to cool off. I have been in rain as well and it still works perfectly. I also just use a ls base layer for warmth and am comfortable on 50 mile rides with winds at 28mph. I paid a lot for this jacket but it works perfect in my winter riding sessions. I also ride all year long and am 68 years old.

@gcn 4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the perfect way to keep warm and dry

@PhilWify 4 жыл бұрын

I’m firmly in the soft shell camp with a merino base layer. Haven’t worn a waterproof for cycling for five or more years. Alpha direct smock or a Rab vaporise jacket or gilet. Both from mountaineering rather than cycling.

@GeekonaBike 4 жыл бұрын

Rip out the "Water Resistant" tag on your Jacket & have a pro seamstress sew in a "Water Proof" tag in order to Feel much drier #marketing

@Penjulum 4 жыл бұрын

Good go there. Really liked it.

@criggie 4 жыл бұрын

My "hardshell" is akin to riding inside a plastic bag. Even when its torrentially wet, I still get wet from sweat. May as well go with comfort.

@MK-je7kz 4 жыл бұрын

Two things missing (the mentioned windchill), but more importantly body temperature monitoring. Just skin temperature and no rectal, but if someone wants to take one for team...

@aghorn 4 жыл бұрын

Yay. Even though this was not on a road, a GCN presenter wearing at least one high vis jacket. Humorous and interesting video too.

@lincolnlu9869 4 жыл бұрын

You guys are getting way better at the science part of these

@jaycrume5941 4 жыл бұрын

I have to say that I loved this video. My own experience is that on the brown side of Washington State we don't get alot of rain but we do get below freezing temps very frequently in the winter. I usually layer under a soft shell. My favorite has become Pearl Izumi amfib material when it gets about 35 or lower. It works great and the cost seems more reasonable than most of the real cold weather gear from other major brands.

@jaycrume5941 4 жыл бұрын

As I said that, I'm sitting at my computer and trying to decide if I do want to ride this morning. It's 32 degrees and, goofily, it did rain late last night. The roads are wet but don't look icy. I'm going to have another cup of coffee to help me make up my mind.

@ridetillidie8090 Жыл бұрын

I went away from cycling rain gear to fishing rain gear: HUK Gunwale jacket is Water/Wind/Rain-proof and pants are Waterproof and Wind Resistant. Stands up to torrential rain and the hood is large enough to cover your helmet.

@ThePonycat 3 жыл бұрын

Holy moly I'm in the first 48 seconds and he pops out hard question on us🤯🤯🤯. I'm too cheap to pay for a lot of the cycling gear and it's really expensive. So what I do if it's decent like 15 + I just put a hard shell on and if it's a bit chilly I usually have an Eddie Bauer first ascent polartec fleece on and in a hard shell overtop in the hard shell is Adidas it's like a football/soccer kind of it's like what a coach would where I guess you could say😅. Soccer/football Whatever Gets you off at night use the term that applies to you.

@scottw6598 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video

@jackdubberley63 3 жыл бұрын

Love the impression of the assos man

@philliptrzcinski5243 4 жыл бұрын

Intriguing test, and obviously enjoyed Si's totally unnecessary suffering. I'm still sticking to a soft shell gilet and arm warmers though, it's easy to cool off, and as long as I'm keeping the wind off, I don't mind being wet.

@drmoynihan 4 жыл бұрын

In Oregon USA, when it rains it pours! Yellow Hardshell Jacket! P.S. I always keep a light wind jacket in my pocket which works with really light rain.

@Janus1000 4 жыл бұрын

Working in the outdoor industry, I can say that there have been recent advances in breathability in waterproof garments (gortex active, shakedry) that had impressed this ultra hot running enthusiast that types to you now. I basically wear a wind vest and a base layer when cross country skiing at 12 degrees Fahrenheit I run so hot, and I've been using a gortext active shell on some commutes to great success. The only problem is it's more a backpackers cut, not a cycling one. Waiting for the wider industry to adopt this tech into proper activity specific design to make the most of it. Exciting stuff!

@The-Splat Ай бұрын

Four years later, we have Gore Active, eVent and PowerShield Pro. But how do they compare?

@markrushton1516 4 жыл бұрын

I have one of those Assos jkts and it isn't waterproof but it allows you to wear a slightly thinner layer underneath - jersey rather than jkt. Well it did this am on a 12 mile wet commute. The wind chill is kept at bay. really only the Shake-dry material is waterproof. If you are in rain for a long time, a hardshell is the way to go

@HPaulModels 4 жыл бұрын

Cheap Vs Costly Got to say my Aldi cycling winter kit, bought three years ago, has seen off much more expensive kit over the last three winters. That's coats, over shoes, gloves and cycling tights. Sometimes it's not the name on the tag that matters!

@koenhavelaerts6481 4 жыл бұрын

When its raining I use Zwift ;-) Nice and warm inside...

@HaIIowsxeve 4 жыл бұрын

Good tips

@stevetroyanovich2236 4 жыл бұрын

The remarks criticizing the “science” here are a bit harsh. Si states it is not hard science in a disclaimer in the video. In science, preliminary data in the form of case reports (n=1) or small sample size trials are referred to as “pilot studies”, and the data from these studies are typically used as stepping stones toward larger trials with greater statistical power. Nice job Si! This published researcher applauds your preliminary/pilot efforts and appreciates the good humor you bring to the subject.

@thomasf.9869 3 жыл бұрын

From an insulation standpoint it is probably better to wear a merino wool base layer underneath a soft shell. The reason being that wool retains its warmth when wet, so if water seeps through there is a reduced risk of hyperthermia. Not a worry when moving, but a serious concern if one has to pull-over owing to injury or mechanical failure.

@michaelmuldoonmikesm08 4 жыл бұрын

I haven't laughed this hard in a while. thank you. good informative video as per usual too

@gcn 4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome Michael, cheers for all the support

@blubaughmr 4 жыл бұрын

For commuting in hard rain, I use a hard shell but push the sleeves up so I can have bare arms for cooling. If temps are above 55 F, I just get wet. The hard shell is too hot above 55. I always change out of my commuter shirt at work, and by the time I go home, it will be dry again.

@timdixo 4 жыл бұрын

Packability reigns king in cycling jackets.. If you can't stow it away once the weather turns/warm up it's a deal breaker.

@danielmiller9419 4 жыл бұрын

The wind chill is major and cooling down is easier than heating up (unzip easy). Gore tex and LS jersey for rain / likely threat of rain, soft shell for cooler weather / unlikely chance of rain. Never starting a 100 mile + event without a packer jacket - lesson learnt / hypotherma had.

@sventice 4 жыл бұрын

I always use a hard shell when it's raining at all, and it works well for me. However, in the rain I tend to ride much more slowly (for survival reasons), and for shorter distances if possible, so sweat is less of an issue.

@gregory1347 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for clearing up the difference. I actually own a Jack Wolfskin Northern Point softshell which I've had for about a year and a half and because I'm still in my weight loss journey and because I lost a lot of weight again, I needed a new one but 1 size smaller. So I decided to look online for the same jacket but in medium size. I eventually found it but it clearly looked different than the one I already owned. I eventually decided to buy it because it looked cooler and I just thought it was the same model. But when I got it and started wearing it for my daily walks, I noticed that I was pretty soaked because my sweat apparently couldn't escape. I looked up info online and here's the answer. The new model I got is a hardshell and traps sweat inside. That's very unfortunate because I love this jacket. I think I'll end up just buying a softshell again and keep the hardshell too.

@TheAtarashiiKaze 3 жыл бұрын

The waterproofing that impressed me the most was that microphone!

@militaryminedid2011 4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't have gotten wet at all if he was running disc brakes.

@ericclaire-helenerfletcher9433 3 жыл бұрын

it comes down to the weather and as always do i want to ride , will leave with a soft shell , and a light water proof jacket, i have a castelli hard shell , will help keep your warmth in, and the wind ,cold and rain out however you will probably end up being as wet inside as out depending on the effort you are doing , you will end up wet one way or another , cold and miserable , its up to youand th weather,

@alexhawes6690 4 жыл бұрын

All waterproofs I've tried have made me wetter than the rain from sweat,even with wicking layers underneath,I wear a very thin windproof which seems to keep a small amount of rain out but also breaths slightly

@billcaveny9495 4 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more..👍

@matthewlewis2072 4 жыл бұрын

I adore my Endura softshell. Warm, reasonably water resistant, comfy. And black. But cheap hardshell handy for when it's persisting it down, or as an extra layer.

@connieback7577 4 жыл бұрын

If it’s cold rain I always wear the hard shell. At temps above 55 my base layer will be drenched, but if it’s colder I usually stay fairly dry.

@jaydavee 3 жыл бұрын

I just watched an REI video telling us that we have to use a dryer to restore the water repellent properties of Gore-tex. That might be what the 2nd jacket needs. See if it says to put it in the dryer.

@chairuosen 4 жыл бұрын

Try Gore Windstopper products for softshell testing. Its really comfortable and breathable with nearly 100% waterproof.

@abcdabcd-qm3fu 4 жыл бұрын

The hardshell jacket is unbreathable. So even when it rains heavily continuously and you are riding over long distances non stoo, then you get wet of sweat and hot. While on the other hand soft shell keeps you wet of rain water and cold. But you will be wet either way. But with hatdshell you can dehydrate quite fast even in cold and rain. Also when it is raining on and off or only drizzling, the softshell is a better option as it is permeable and will allow ventilation. Hardshell can only be seldom used or for short rides. Also when it is raining in South east asian countries, it is summer season unlike in Europe and North America where even summers are pleasant with min. Temp. Going 5-10 deg. C. So, for these places, hardshell Jackets are very uncomfortable.

@user-xt6en9xt8x 3 жыл бұрын

Исключили практически всё. Я имею в виду: 1-обдув воздухом, НО... 2-высокая влажность самого воздуха. Так что в любом из этих случаев вы будете 100% мокрым. С другой стороны, если дождь НЕ сильный, а воздух НЕ влажный, то вы быстрее будете сохнуть.

@leedorney 4 жыл бұрын

I once done 2hrs in hard wet rain after about 30 in dry - i think when youre wet your WET - keeping warm is what its about !!

@Dragoniel_Iskaliri_Silverwing 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. When it is raining truly heavily, staying dry is unrealistic. I find rain to be simply of no real issue when cycling, though. Half frozen sleet is more annoying, along with (literally) freezing rain in negative temperatures. There is a point to be made about shoes, which are the real issue during rains. When you're riding for longer than an hour or so, water gets in even through rain covers. And that sucks pretty bad. It sucks REALLY bad when it is around 0C. I had rides when I was genuinely afraid I'd get a frost bite.

@mindgraphy_ 4 жыл бұрын

@@Dragoniel_Iskaliri_Silverwing How do you deal with longer rides in freezing rain? They do make waterproof socks but not sure how warm they are. Maybe a waterproof-merino hybrid would be the solution for your feet.

@Dragoniel_Iskaliri_Silverwing 4 жыл бұрын

@@mindgraphy_ For riding in around 0C sleet conditions I would recommend hardshell water-resistant jersey/jacket, water resistant pants (cycling specific preferably, those have better ventilation than, say, camping stuff) and shoe rain covers. Make sure your pants go over the rain covers, not the other way around. Equipped like this you can stay relatively dry for around an hour (though if you are riding hard, you will be getting drenched in sweat, so don't overexert). The water will eventually start seeping in during longer rides, in my experience. Personally, I don't really ride for longer than an hour in this season, and 0C is too warm for me for wool socks and such, so I can't recommend anything. I am used to riding in cold weather, so your experience may wary from mine. I would probably be riding in hardshell jacket and shorts, but people I've spoken to consider this insane, so. You know.

@Penfold-zr2be 4 жыл бұрын

@@mindgraphy_ Neoprene socks are the way to go in cold wet conditions. Sailing shops sell them (Rooster are the brand I went with). Kind of strange that neoprene gloves have found favour in the cycling world due to its heat retention properties when wet but that neoprene socks haven't caught on.

@maxs6775 3 жыл бұрын

@@Penfold-zr2be # wicked advice

@tompearce415 4 жыл бұрын

Soft shell is the main jacket with a lightweight hard shell in the pocket to wear on top in heavy rain and or cold winds.

@stectom 3 жыл бұрын

So I live in the UK too and ride often. And when it rains... I do not ride when it rains. Also, we have got some brilliant weather scientists down in Exeter (Metoffice) and they are pretty accurate in forecasting weather. So hard can it be? Everything is down to planning trips and having a contingency hardshell with me when the sky looks gray and unpredicatble.

@LOCKEYJ 3 жыл бұрын

Simple bog standard Pac-a-Mac, 30 quid, can’t beat it.

@borano2031 4 жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to add the "racing jackets" of yesterday, the non-breathable stuff. I still have a Nalini in semitransparent yellow, done up with velcro tape. Do you remember the style? Rgr

@imp822 3 жыл бұрын

Fair weather River here!

@leee2410 4 жыл бұрын

all very interesting, I would be very curious to know the sweat factor? Did you lose more body weight in the soft shell or hard? If the hard shell is non breathable, dryer and warmer, i reckon your sweating more and it will probably inhibit your performance in the longer term. My theory go for soft shell be wet and don't cook yourself. Have a rain proof gilet for descents in the rain to maintain some warmth. Core temperature probably more important than being wet?