5:45 The game really just went, "You don't deserve those. Give them here!"

Final Chase and White Jungle are probably just the stages that were rushed at the end cause Shadow originally wasn’t going to be playable. These are the only 2 stages that repeat assets from another speed stage (Final Rush/Green Forest). And Sky Rail was originally a Sonic stage before Shadow was planned to be playable

You can actually get to the firey running part on Final Rush without hacking. You have to stand outside on top of the arch and spin dash down and then move up (it's really hard to explain). Metal Sonic can make it too with enough speed :)

It’s cool to see what corners the developers had to cut in order to release this game

I'm not surprised seeing a second Goal Ring in most stages. Because those rings are always where the original stages rings were. For the 2 player mode, if they moved the ring back a bit, they usually go something like: "well they're never gonna make it past the intended goal for the multiplayer stage so ehhhh just leave it there". Just a game dev thing

Fun fact: There's an invisible platform just past the goal in Sky Rail that you can actually stand on without cheats. It should show up if you turn on collisions. Also, you should try poking around in the Treasure Hunting stages. There might be some cool out of bounds things in there, such as the upper area of Security Hall or the hidden rooms in Wild Canyon and Dry Lagoon

A little funfact. The Cutting Room Floor also shows all of this.

They did something similar in Sonic Heroes for the Team Rose stages. If you manage to get past their normal goal rings, the stage continues as normal. In fact Team Rose even has dialogue for parts of the stage they normally can't access. That seems to suggest that the change to the stage layouts was very late in development for Heroes.

I discovered these 15 Years Ago when my friend used levitation/infinite jump code in Action Replay. My guess is that the Devs started by copy pasting the levels for 2P then made changes. Another cool thing is if only a post goal checkpoint is activated dying can take the player there yet if something closer to the 2P Goal is activated you'll go there instead upon dying.

Interesting, reminds me of the extended goal rings in Team Rose's stages in Sonic Heroes!

I don’t know why this was so funny to me 0:20 but Amy just gave up on chasing him😭, great vid tho

I can imagine there are action scenes that trigger at those particular locations with the intention of only ever 1 player reaching them, thus the change the level layout/dynamic and cant be easily reset. When the game was ported to gamecube i imagine the developers didnt get much time to find a way around them so just moved the goal post earlier otherwise player 2 would be locked and couldn't continue. Maybe a good way to test that theory is have 2 tails get to the parts where the action scenes play out and the layout shift happens and see if the other player can then progress normally afterwards

For the Level 3 Stages, that's all held over from the Dreamcast, though I should note the layouts aren't necessarily the same (looking at you, Radical Highway).

Nice, did all of this using the super sonic/shadow mod in the steam version obviously. I always wanted to know *everything* about the multiplayer stages also in the final rush stage there's a way to get passed the first goal ring without mods or anything. Found it out years ago but if you jump on top of the tunnel thing, go as close to the wall as possible then spin dash to the side (I always did the right side) if you time your jump properly after spin dashing off you can use the homing attack jump (or whatever you'd call it when you jump and then press A a second time) you can land on the path that leads you to the end

I discovered that you can still trigger the falling debris in final rush multiplayer on my own. I just clipped through the floor using a cheat as Sonic. Was hoping there was a goal ring down there.

I've seen 2 goal rings in the same stage in colors

this was dope! Good content

You can actually see some of the level in metal harbor. On the aircraft carrier you can use metal sonic to jump up higher on top then run forward left. If you use player 2 to attack you can have metal sonic block it and jump again. Then you can almost see it. I tried a few times to see if I could but never made it. Thanks for clearing up the mystery. BTW is it possible to find a chao key left over in one of these levels? I'm talking all any of them. Mech, treasure etc

Wait....the Tails thing "time to Jam!" and getting his plane, was this part of the game?? I've never seen it before. I know you modded it, but it looks like a lost legit thing...

Hopefully if they ever redo Sax and Sa2b that we get full stages for multiplayer. Or at least a toggle for them.

I wonder what would happen if you have both characters touch both goal rings at the same time.

would've been 100x easier if you used the Debug Mode mod and just nocliped over 😭

No city escape or grind race from pyramid cave

It’s two goal rings in frontiers I think that’s the only game

gg good video

God, this game's a mess... love it-

Do sonic heroes