I see you farming eagle sets paid off 😂 Very nice!

Thanks! I'll think about it. No guarantees though, it's not a favorable cycle for her

And I did see in the video that Robin is using a Physical orb, so would the outcome be affected if it was ATK orb instead?

@@arkitodoesvo Robin with ATK orb probably works too. It does increase her personal damage but it should not matter overall since there is quite a bit of excess of damage. I'm also not sure if Welt's debuffs are strong enough to replace SW. The closest comparison is Black Swan who also provides AOE debuffs, but I think 12% vulnerability is far weaker than 20% DEF down. I don't have Welt built so I'm also not sure if he can get off his debuffs at the start of the fight.

it should be possible. The only downside of having welt for 2nd nihility char on e0 acheron is that he needs skill to apply debuffs to charge her ult. There's this guy named Sidereum on yt he made a bunch of videos comparing pela & other nihility chars like pela & sw vs pela & welt vs pela & gui and pela & welt came out on top. Oh do note that the videos he posted were pre-acheron patch and after getting her. If I didnt remember wrongly I think the pela sw comp did 900k-1mil? and the pela welt did around 1.2mil. Both with bronya too I think

it is if you use her with ruan mei, she needs 167

It actually is. But I'm not sure if too many people have it set up. It's featured in one of my vids against the Aventurine MOC here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eJOlkpt0ytKroWw.html where a 159+ SPD Sparkle (same idea) allows 3 turns on wave 1 and outspeeds Aventurine on wave 2. There is some nuance though if I remember correctly. The timing of Sparkle's ult after turn 1 or turn 2 matters if your Acheron is actually at 0 SPD as I remember seeing Sparkle fail to pull Acheron up for her 3rd turn on a few occasions.

@@burningrose7 I believe 167.3 is only a breakpoint if you want Sparkle to get a 3rd turn on her own with only Eagle + DDD, no Vonwacq. It works for both waves.

@@EiDehGaming as far as i know if you use double s5 ddd it is 157 but if you have single copy it is 167, is that wrong?

@@burningrose7 We'll just look at only the final effective SPD required, so if you're thinking of RM then minus 10% off whatever is required. Eagle has 0.25 action advance, S5 DDD has 0.24. So you can work if out by finding the intersection at 0 for the equation 150 - 10000/x * (3 - total action advance). With 1 DDD proc only (no eagle), it's 184 SPD. With 2 DDD procs, it's 168 With 1 DDD proc & Eagle, it's 167.3 With 2 Eagle, it's 166.7 With 1 Eagle & 2 DDDs, it's 1.513. Then if you have Vonwacq on top of that, these apply only on wave 1 Nothing else - 173.4 for 3 turns 1 DDD - 157.3 1 Eagle - 156.7 2 DDD - 141.3 1 Eagle + 1 DDD - 140.7

Yea it's a weird one. I've thought about it, but obviously not too much. For double harmony, Ruan Mei stands out the most since the other combinations are kind of awkward, but even Ruan Mei's buffs are diluted on Acheron more than most other DPS. Like with Sparkle, Ruan Mei, can easily hit 3 turn Sparkle rotations. And is probably the easiest too like you mentioned.

@@EiDehGaming robin with her e1 should give better buffs but i always find it awkward to operate and then you still have to farm a 168 wind set. I finally got one recently but too bad she's on a vonwacq. Usually 2 ulti is enough to settle the dmg. Getting pela to move before her start to become another problem as well since the spd on that eagle is already really high. The resolution i came up with was to let pela ditch the wind set and get as much spd for wave 2 first action and let sparkle basic on her first turn on wave 1. This way i get 3t sparkle and full cipher coverage in both waves. Another way is to let sparkle push robin to get her 2nd turn asap and use her ulti right in start of wave 1. Usually the dmg is just very overkill tho which i don't really like doing.

@@hiroshi6699 interesting. The independent 168 spd sparkle is still a pipe dream for me. You could try 174 spd vonwacq pela which naturally outspeeds sparkle on wave 2. Now that you mention it, acheron really doesnt care about the damage on her skill itself since it's so little. So its actually fine for her to skip one sparkle buff as long as she ults earlier

gg (me neither)

Pela maybe

Your closest bet is Black swan, if not wait until 2.4 lol

Well, Acheron E2

my condolences. unfortunately, there will generally be a minimum level of investment required, in terms of both gear and chars/equip. what you lack in 1, you can make up in the other, but at some point you will need something. if you have Black Swan, it's still pretty easy. But if your best debuffer besides Pela is Gui, then it's really not going to be easy unless you have other ways to make up the difference.