What the most cost effective heater for a small shop? How I Heat My Shop For Cheap

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How I heat My workshop using a CHEAP Diesel heater from VEVOR, and a propane heater. GREAT combination for heating a small garage for cheap!
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00:36 What does Heating a shop REALLY mean?
01:45 Insulation important!!
03:45 How much does insulation save you? REAL numbers
05:05 Electric pros and cons
07:51 Propane pros and cons
11:52 Diesel heater from VEVOR pros and cons
16:43 Quick not about powering Diesel heater
17:23 What does it really cost to run different fuels DIRECT comparison
21:08 Why not a wood stove or mini split??
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@stevegreengrass7727 Жыл бұрын

To make your diesel heater even more efficient, pipe your exhaust thru a finned manifold of some sort before you pipe it outside and you will utilize your heat loss a whole lot more! I have also seen guys use an old hot water heater and fill it with sand and then pipe the exhaust thru pre existing water line coil, utilizing the exhaust to heat the sand and getting radiant heat transfer off the sand filled hot water heater tank... You will cut your diesel costs in half!!

@howardosborne8647 Жыл бұрын

I was going to mention the very same thing as you about heat recovery from the exhaust on the diesel heaters. Definitely worth the effort as the extra heat gains/fuel savings are considerably high.👍

@davegeorge9538 Жыл бұрын

Make sure that the plenum you use was not discarded for leaking carbon monoxide, I've changed those a few times, and that was the only reason for changing them.

@DavidStrchld 6 ай бұрын

The thing to be aware of is that makes the exhaust condensing, which will usually deteriorate your exhaust system.

@alext8828 5 ай бұрын

That's a smart idea.

@boxcutter0 5 ай бұрын

As long as it’s not too constricted, having a reliable carbon monoxide detector nearby is obviously necessary.

@MyJp1983 Жыл бұрын

It was a HUGE investment, but I bought an eliminator waste oil burner. It burns used engine oil. For years I was looking for a way to heat my garage to work on hobbies without skyrocketing my electric bill. The oil stove is a blessing. I save all my oil changes, and accept donations. When I run out of oil I go back inside

@TheWadetube 4 ай бұрын

Most people have electric clothes dryers but don't know how to heat their house with them. Their exhaust heat is humid and has some lint in it so you need a salt desicant, like road salt in multiple trays in a box, an enclosed container and an extra dust filter at the face of the box that is easy to clean. Build a box 1 foot high by about 3 x 3 feet with a round hole in the back and a larger rectangle hole in the front. Make tray shelves in the box to put five or six trays of road salt on to absorb moisture and a window screen on the front. Pipe your dryer heat into the box , and out the front heat will pour into the house while you are doing laundry. Or you can plumb it into your garage. Most families can manage a load a day and that's about 90 minutes of dryer time so why waste that heat to the outside of the house in winter time.?

@Moietvoe Жыл бұрын

To increase the efficiency of the diesel heater, I connected three meters of 28m copper pipe to the exhaust and mounted it with a small downwards slope to properly drain the condensation, this pipe is also verry useful for drying your gloves. LOL Greetings from the Netherlands

@josephsteffen2378 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, extract every BTU out of that fuel !

@haywoodjahblomee2714 Жыл бұрын

Any issues with fuel gelling on the coldest of days?

@randybobandy9828 5 ай бұрын

@@haywoodjahblomee2714out your fuel inside if it's an issue

@miketranfaglia3986 Жыл бұрын

Your electricity is incredibly cheap compared to ours in Massachusetts---just went up to more than 48 cents per kW-hr! We just got a "high-efficiency" mini-split, and it's the best there is (Mitsubishi), for just one large room. It's a great air conditioner, but running it for heat in the winter is very expensive, even with the oil heat still running. Our electricity bill was nearly $800 last month! So, the plan around here seems to be to get everyone to switch to these heat pumps and electric cars, then jack up the electricity rates so that we all freeze to death and can't go anywhere. Welcome to the Green New Deal!

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree. Ours is very cheap but still expensive compared to alternatives. No way would I switch to all electrical. At least not until solor becoms a more reasonable option.

@ZAPATTUBE Жыл бұрын

Wow, they are draining you dry!

@siskiyouwoodsmann4279 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Using the Chinese diesel heater, I would highly recommend a small garden tractor battery $25.00 at Wally World plus a battery maintainer…good ones are cheep on the big A store. The critical reason for the battery, is that even a momentary power cut will shut the heater down without going through its cooling cycle which almost certainly will result in a partial melt down of the controller circuit board mounted very close to the aluminum heater unit. Also in a worst case scenario could start a fire if unattended. Also mounted mine like your testing yours with double plywood foam board between with partially open window sealed down on the the plywood as explained above. You will loose a tremendous amount of efficiency imo if you put it outside. I of coarse vent the exhaust outdoors and bring in the burner air from outdoors as per code here and as you said you don’t want the burn chamber ingesting dust laden air. I use a battery from my garden tractor that sits idle all winter anyway. Having the unit inside is also much more convenient for fueling and monitoring fuel level, but heat loss was my main reason and in my 10x24 shop space is a real concern and find it takes up very little space. Hope some of this information is of some use to you.

@randybobandy9828 5 ай бұрын

Definitely doesn't melt anything, mine has had the power cut out about 10x now and its fine.

@gweedomurray9923 Жыл бұрын

Not a fan of unvented heaters. Even if the smell is negligible or non existent you are breathing what amounts to "dead air" and cracking a door or window means losing efficiency of heating and thus burning more fuel to keep the room temp where you want it. Love your presentation; clear and crisp. 🙂

@jamesthacker007 Жыл бұрын

I don’t usually comment but need to say, “I’m Impressed with your review!” I will try the Elephant Heater. My background is 10yrs. as a Natural Gas tech and 6yrs. with LPG. I’m a lic. power engineer with NIULPE and EPA HVAC cert. also so I must say you have given sound realistic advice within your practical approach. 🧐👍

@e.t.preppin7084 Жыл бұрын

He always does!!! 👍👍👍

@londen3547 Жыл бұрын

The best way to go is an outdoor wood heated boiler. They are quite expensive, but can be home built reasonably priced. Run insulated tubing into the building to heat exchangers in corners, it shouldn't take up too much space.

@NWEDC Жыл бұрын

Been using one to heat our tent when cold weather camping for a few years now. Built it out of a plano storage box. They work great, and are easy to work on.

@gwn4531 Жыл бұрын

Have the same type unit. Have a 200,000 btu waste oil heater for my shop, but heat my 10 X 12 office with the diesel heater during the day when Not out in the shop. Cheaper to run and keeps it nice and toasty without wasting all of the energy heating a 3000 sqft building for just one office. For under $150 it was a great deal and works great.

@nobodykayaks1041 Жыл бұрын

id recommend buying some clear plastic sheeting and putting that over all 4 walls to make yourself a air sealed bubble, the insulation will be able to breathe just fine but that air seal will make such a difference.

@douglaspohl1827 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a DIY left out house wrap or foil layer etc... the science must be followed if you wish best insulation value for the money...

@davej3487 Жыл бұрын

The walls do need to breath some or you get condensation and wet insulation. Cheap Tyvek clone house wrap will seal up good but still allow some breathing. I have Tyvek cloned wrap with R35 in attic, R21 in walls and a floor is tiled over plywood over 2x4 laid flat with R9.6 worth of Polyisocyanate insulation. I just bought one of the Vevor 8kw heaters to install in my 725 sq/ft garage.

@Gnarlodious Жыл бұрын

WARNING: I bought this Vevor unit but half the winter later it failed with the burner fouled and blowing smoke. Upon examination it turned out it was assembled wrong. The pressure fuel tube was coiled to facilitate easy assembly and the air bubble trapped in there caused the pulsations to become neutralized. This missing pulsation caused the fuel atomizer screen to fail atomizing and burning large particles gradually caused carboning up. I had to take apart the burner and totally clean it out. IF YOU GET A GOOD BURN NOW you can avoid this laborious cleaning, because a good hot burn will clean out the carbon. You would need to take the box apart and make sure the pressure side tube is a straight run upward into the burner in order to purge any air bubbles. After that it's a good heater.

@TheReal1953 4 ай бұрын

What I fear about Chinese price point construction. The industry feels that if you get a bad one, you just buy another because the price is right.

@cptcosmo Жыл бұрын

I'm using a 8kW diesel parking heater to heat my condo, and it's works great! Its been below freezing here regularly this winter, and the home is nice and warm - barefoot, shorts, and t-shirt temps. 5 gal. US lasts anywhere from 5 to 10 days depending on how cold it gets outside. Far less expensive than heating with electricity, and by dumping the exhaust outside, no water condensation issues - nice, dry heat.

@skm9420 Жыл бұрын

I prefer wood my self, but, I'm off grid 40 miles to the closet town and half of that is bumpy dirt roads

@freddodich2430 Жыл бұрын

You could run the exhaust through a section of finned pipe from a water baceboard heater to recover the heat inside before the exhaust goes out side

@leopeters5252 Жыл бұрын

a minisplit in a woodshop situation would create a higher maintenance issue due to your afore mentioned issue with dust... as a woodworker, that's something I considered as well. I installed a pellet stove and am impressed with the ease of use, less effort (read as time spent) in fuel acquisition, thermostatic control and elimination of mess involved with wood heat. I'm willing to forego the A/C for the limited seasonal use in favor of the benefit of cold season temperature control. Humidity has a lot more to do with excess environment heat, so will opt for a dehumidifier rather than an A/C unit

@douglaspohl1827 Жыл бұрын

Did you try a sawdust stove? Woodworker/shop means unlimited low cost near free fuel no electricity optional low speed fan if beneficial with 10 hours burn/heating.

@apenza4304 Жыл бұрын

After insulating my shop I ran some PEX tubing from my gas boiler to two large cast iron radiators but mostly I use my wood burning stove to provide heat. The firewood is free and the stove and a wood splitter were the only upfront cost.

@mark_osborne 5 ай бұрын

Very interesting video - enjoyed the math ! I heat with wood pellets in a rocket stove. A 40 lb bag of wood pellets is roughly $6 and contains 320,000 btus (at the advertised rate of 8000 btu/lb). Given that, 3412 btus costs aprox 6.4 cents. The rocket stove is extremely efficient, my exhaust temps are shockingly low when she's running full blast. I'm going to guess it's 85% efficient, which takes the cost from 6.4 up to 7.5 cents per 3412 btus. Buying wood pellets in bulk saves about 20 %, roughly $5 per 40 lb bag.

@joblessalex Жыл бұрын

If you use a heat exchanger on the exhaust, you can salvage a ton of that lost heat.

@jacobpoucher Жыл бұрын

Yup there are some good videos about just that it's pretty cool people are making water heaters with the exhaust heat also

@wh8085 Жыл бұрын

FWIW , if you want would heat it doesn't have to be stationed inside the shop. You can locate the fire box outside and duct the heat into the shop at any point you choose. Just a thought for ya .

@allenshepard7992 4 ай бұрын

Great video that is complete. Thank you for pre - guessing the questions. Mini split also does not do well in low cold, 35F (ish) and below though they do provide AC. The propane works during a power outage. Pellet stove and diesel heater need a small power source. Diesel heater is designed to run off a car battery. Solar cell helps with recharging. Pellet stoves need 120V and produce a fair load when starting. It is a low load when running - just the blower fan and pellet feed auger. Yes they have gravity feed pellet units. Waste oil burners need a blower and combustion chamber.

@toolman9081 Жыл бұрын

I'm in a 10x14 shed with a big buddy heater and it works great.

@charlescouncill Жыл бұрын

I use a central heat unit with a thermostat. Works great! It also has a cooling mode for hot weather days. Amazing technology!

@zader39 5 ай бұрын

Just ran across this video, thanks! I'm in a pretty similar situation. We inherited a house with a detached 2 car garage that I'm making into my workshop. It's far enough north that I need heat to be able to use it during the fall and winter. Incidentally I just made my first knife recently, so thanks for your instructional videos! Since there is already a chimney setup I plan on putting in a wood stove for days I'll be working all day, but I think I'll look at the diesel option as well.

@e.t.preppin7084 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video. I definitely need a similar heat source for my shop. Even before I upgrade from zero insulation to well insulated. Thanks.

@WorldOfWonder66 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. I especially liked the ending when you talked about the mini split. Thank you for your opinion on that

@josephsteffen2378 Жыл бұрын

Build an brick, cinder block (MBU), or rock alcove, vestibule, doghouse, etc. for a woodstove. THEY ROCK!

@pl747 4 ай бұрын

You are exactly right. Been there done that. My prices and figures are almost the exactly same as yours. I have never used one of the diesel heaters but have been thinking about it. I have a farm tax permit and can get farm diesel too. As far as cooling I do have some experience with the window inverter units. I used them this last summer and shut my central unit off. I saved a little over $100 a month and stayed just as comfortable with two units running. They are super quite. Cost less than $400 each. I am in a hot humid climate and highly recommend them.

@DeadRedRider Жыл бұрын

Modern heat pumps are amazingly efficient. With Coefficients of Performance (CoP) from 2.5 to 5. So if you had a CoP of 3.5 you could put 1000 watts in and get 3500 watts of heat out. It's much more efficient to move heat than to make heat. Plus a heat pump can be run in cooling mode in the summer. Using your numbers, a CoP 3.5 heat pump would cost you $0.04 per 3412btuhr

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

Yes but the cost saving would still take 10+ years to break even due to the higher initial price. Just in time for the warranty to run out.

@Stefanhallusa Жыл бұрын

Um thank you for this!!! I just spent the last month insulating my garage… this is awesome

@richiebricker Жыл бұрын

Finishing the walls with drywall will almost make the same improvement as insulation and might be hlf of the heating bill. If You use plywood Youll have to seal the edges with putty and drywall tape or it wont do much good

@ColdHawk Жыл бұрын

Was wondering about that. Part of my basement level is above ground. The contractor who built it insulated it but didn’t put up drywall. I put up freakin peg board on the outside wall where it wasn’t blocked by stuff, and it actually raised the temperature by a couple of degrees. Made me think there is a small hole and the pegboard pushed the insulation snug. Drywall has got to make a big difference, right?

@FB-gm6el Жыл бұрын

i put a Rinnai natural gas direct vent in my basement. i love it. was not cheap or easy though(poured concrete foundation, brick veneer walls, heater unit 7-8' below the final exhaust exit).

@williamstemmler4206 Жыл бұрын

I've been in HVAC for 40 yrs. I don't like mini splits at all, they have a tendency to leak at the fittings in cold climates plus all electric. Just get a window unit for cooling. Check out rinnai heaters easy installation easy propane conversion, they vent outside through the wall (3in pipe) and take up very little room. They come in various btu sizes.

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

What a good brand for a full home HVAC system in your opinion? Looking into a new one for the house 🙂

@williamstemmler4206 Жыл бұрын

@@OUTDOORS55 if you're going to install yourself. Goodman, whirlpool. Unfortunately if you want a carrier or Bryant and there's a few others they're all Dealer represented. In other words the general public can't purchase them. The latter two I mentioned are good but expensive.

@josdedam 5 ай бұрын

This is the route I'm going with my shop/shed, I do have solar that is permanent and extension cord to the house. GREAT video's.

@rl5271 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for excellent and accurate info, especially the comparative fuel/BTU breakdown!

@Blakehx Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the good info as always! You should also check out a good battery operated heated vest game changer!

@jackman6256 Жыл бұрын

Yes the lp also causes yellowing on walls an everything to I use them an you're 100 percent right

@cylinderize Жыл бұрын

Greetings! A very good video, most informative! I also have purchased a heater like yours, 8KW. It has not been installed yet. Now the point: like you, I do not like to "throw away" BTUs, and so I am planning to route my exhause gasses through a 60's model Volkswagen Exhaust derived heated air. Such a heat exchanger is already engineered to harvest heat energy from Exhaust Gasses, and works very well. Good luck, Ciao!

@rlcarbo Жыл бұрын

Good job! Great information and comparisons.

@bloodredhornet2704 Жыл бұрын

Excellent job. Good info, and well presented. Tad lengthy watch with a lower entertainment value. Overall well worth my time. Thanks!

@dfinma 5 ай бұрын

1:15 From an energy effeciency standpoint it's always better to reduce heating as much as possible when it's not needed. This does not take convenience, time to reheat or heating the thermal mass into consideration. Edit: I should acknowledge your very excellent work and my apologies if I came across as a drive-by negative comment wanker 🙂

@dukeraul624 Жыл бұрын

I love my little Chinese diesel heater, it puts out most excellent heat. I ducted mine with 3” 26 gauge, and now have 4 outlets.

@alanlutz8373 Жыл бұрын

Glad you're back. Thanks for the video.

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@perrysebastian6928 5 ай бұрын

Ha! Finally a diesel heater video using a 120V to 12V converter (20A). Trying to power off a battery or battery charger is a bit of a fight because of the startup surge current (~12A).

@jons2447 Жыл бұрын

Hey, Alex, "Thank You!" for another great video. Just be aware, we may not be able to buy fuel in the near future. I want a wood heater/stove for 'emergency' use. If I can scrounge up the bucks I'm thinking 'cylinder stove' but I'd rather buy used used. Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!

@jerydob6499 Жыл бұрын

Have you considered making a gasifier to run a generator that could run the shop ( or running the syn gas through a compressor and into a large tank similar to propane storage. It isn't near as efficient but it's possibly free, especially if you want to add a few extra steps you could even burn house trash in the thing ) ; and installing adjustable heat sink from the gasifier to heat the shop or make an insulated surround with a vent and a fan and attach a thermostat device. One of the biproducts/condensates of the gas is diesel. They are simple to build with plenty of plans available. FEMA republished gasifier plans not too long ago, but they are basically the same ones from the 40s. They are perfectly legal. And since we seem to be very near nuclear war it makes sense

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

I have seen them but dont have the time currently to fiddle with that. Would be an interesting project for sure👍

@junkmail4613 3 ай бұрын

20:00 It is important to note, the direct(unvented) propane heater vents the products of combustion directly into the living space. (carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and steam/water, and small amounts of other such yuck) If the moisture/humidity doesn't vent to outside with the natural air exchanges, it may condense (if it reaches the dewpoint) to some midpoint in the insulation (nondecomposing fiberglass) or some midpoint in the wooden structure. If you had some kind of vapor barrier (like 1 to 5 mil plastic) stapled to the inside of the studs near the insulation would prevent (or slow) the passage of condensible moisture through that barrier into the structure of your walls/ceiling.

@chrisloving6647 Жыл бұрын

Did a trick and uped it to 90 ish %. The exhaust steams when it comes out. Also if you upgraded to a vented propane to get rid of the spell and dust issue it would have exhaust losses also

@Hungrybird474 Жыл бұрын

Good ideas and job dude 👍👍. You’re right the propane has a smell . Like these choices and appreciate you sharing these options especially the elephant heater . Didn’t even know it existed . I’m in Ohio and have seen many different redneck heating systems from old converted dryers to dbl stacked barrels or wood burners 😊. Whatever works best for the person is the way to go and getting the cheapest heat is paramount around here .

@GabrielSBarbaraS 4 ай бұрын

I think there is a $2000 tax credit now for a few years on pellet stoves. Depending on your tax situation , that may equate to a free pellet stove other than the cost of the fuel. They also come with thermostats. I heat my home with wood below 35 degrees and heat pump above that here in the moderate climate of Charlotte NC. ( the wood unit came with the home and provides good exercise for me, I get the wood for just my labor ) Many things to consider and you covered a lot with various fuels.

@joshgomez5263 Жыл бұрын

Got a Chinese diesel heater in basement ran exhaust through a 1 inch emt pipe along bottom wall 10ft and up 7ft vented through cinder block to capture exhaust heat No issues with leaks or fumes exhaust pipe radiates like a baseboard heater

@monabale8263 Жыл бұрын

9:07; we had non vented p. stoves like this one in our house. after going through sinus infections, upper respiratory problems, headaches & dizziness, i found that even if you vent for carbon monoxide, the combustion creates other non vented gases; sulphur dioxide & nitrogen dioxide. those were the problem. & after removing the heaters, our collective health returned. the other caution is that these gases alter the color of anything they land on...

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

I agree. I think they are good for emergencies but not for constant use. 👍

@diychad7268 Жыл бұрын

If you have enough moving air then anything can be ventilated, just gotta make sure your doing so up high and down low as gasses have different density's

@MrPINKFL0YD Жыл бұрын

You can use a long exhaust in the shop to get the hot exhaust on the room before it goes out through heat exchange. You can also use waste oil in that and it is surprising how clean it is

@howardosborne8647 Жыл бұрын

Using waste engine oil always carbons up the mesh ring inside the primary combustor chamber. It shortens the service life dramatically. The long exhaust is a defo good mod and improves the heating efficiency by a big margin.

@stuartkorte1642 Жыл бұрын

Popular in the van life community. Good to see there is a mobile version.

@BigDaddyD72369 Жыл бұрын

Nice vid man 😀 like your analysis...

@kittrainbow7 Жыл бұрын

Give a try to infrared stoves but you need the big powerful models for big rooms, they are cost effective and the heat is super comfortable (very different from conventional heaters). Off course take proper safeties for fire risks, fire prevention. Infrared will not heat 100% of the space but if you are inside the heat cone they are very pleasant also for breathing (no combustion or heavy air). If temerature drops down too much, probably infrared alone are not enough but they can work with classic heaters simultaneously.

@diychad7268 Жыл бұрын

If the area is insulated good enuf then those will certainly end up heating the whole area, just under the cone like you mentioned will be much warmer, but yes they do a good job for sure

@silentvoiceinthedark5665 Жыл бұрын

Dude you need a rocket mass heater, look it up. I burn pine cones in mine because they are easier to collect with and no sawing needed. Twigs and branches that I can snap with my hands.

@badad0166 Жыл бұрын

As an observer with no professional expertise, I'm thinking the big electric heater and the little one may be closer to a wash in running cost. The big one would get you warm faster but maintaining happy temp should be equal. Give or take. I know you were baiting your ultimate solution but felt obliged to make the point. Huzzah!

@flyty2134 Жыл бұрын

Good video thanks for sharing God bless you and yours❤

@SEXYTECH1000 5 ай бұрын

VERY INTERESTING VIDEO , THANKS FOR SHARING .

@christopherlister8932 7 ай бұрын

pellet stove fits this build 100% wifi thermostat run as well simple efficient and small footprint

@jonaspeoples6931 Жыл бұрын

I forgot to add the little buddy heater. Dude everyone should get one. You can run it on one of those little Coleman propane tanks or a big grill propane tank 20 lb or even a house one if you have the right attachments that little thing will heat up a room in a heartbeat

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

The propane stove in this video is made by the same company mr heater. I used it this past weekend when we didnt have heat while waiting on a part to arrive to fix my central house system. It worked great and kept my downstairs warm for a couple days. Much less smell when used inside in a clean environment 👍

@jonaspeoples6931 Жыл бұрын

@@OUTDOORS55 awesome love that company. Off subject but have you ever made a vid on different wood handle types. Like which ones and more comfortable to smashing a log behind? 😅😆😅😆😅😆. Im talking walnut,oak,ebony etc. The whole nine. I know it would kind of suck cuz you would have to make 30 knives to test each individual would but it's definitely something I would be interested in watching. And I have a Woodshop that I working and I have a butt ton of wood if you ever needed any I could send you a whole load of them.

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@peterrobins3708 Жыл бұрын

I'm in a warm climate, I do wonder how many folk in very cold (compared to here) have small workshops with a coupla feet of dirt against the walls & on the roof to help retain the heat? Ahhh that sounds like an evil doers bunker but thinking along the lines of a roots cellar. Seriously cost prohibitive I guess but making the heat must be one thing, but not losing through window glass & even closed doors is one thing but also insulated walls & roof. How much is too much insulation? Maybe there isn't such a thing when you have snow or or long very hot days. You're providing greta food for thought, great work

@kennethwiljanen7624 5 ай бұрын

Hi Alex, I really enjoy your no-nonsense, information rich videos, thanks! And you are occasionally amusing! It is a common misconception that it is more efficient to keep a space heated 24/7 rather than only when it is occupied. Heat loss is directly proportional to temperature difference. If the heat is turned off, the space will cool due to heat loss. The rate of heat loss will decrease as the space cools. When the space is reheated, the amount of heat lost has to be replaced in order to bring the space back to temperature. Due to the decreased temperature, less heat has been has been lost than if the space had been maintained at the higher temperature. It is more efficient to allow the space to cool when not using it.

@n2omike 5 ай бұрын

Heating and cooling causes condensation... which rusts tools and equipment. Best to avoid large temperature swings. Plus, once it's really cold inside it takes a LONG time to warm up... and the faster you warm it up, the more condensation is produced.

@tartarsauce5250 3 ай бұрын

when you run it on low for a long time you need to run it on hi for 10 mis.before you turn it off or it will get full of carbon and not work any more. you will be told that it needs to be dissembled to clean out but you can also just put a vacuum on the exhaust pipe for a min. and it will start again hope this helps...

@m9ovich785 Жыл бұрын

My 30x40 Shop will have a Heated Floor from My OWB to maintain a low temp, Then a Wall mounted fan Coil unit the Quickly bring the temp up. Thanks . Mike M.

@martymar1484 Жыл бұрын

I enjoy this guy's content

@Yodie208 5 ай бұрын

The most expensive component of heating with wood is time. Even if you have access to free wood, you still have to process the wood as well as maintain the wood stove or furnace.

@OUTDOORS55 5 ай бұрын

👍👍 nothin life is completely free

@derekturner3272 Жыл бұрын

You can heat that space with a propane bottle stove. I installed mine on a stand so it takes no floor space. At that size(20lb propane bottle), I burn in 1-2 hour increments. That is to say you have to add wood about every hour to keep it HOT or if you're slow burning, you can go 2+ hours per 10lb of wood, give or take. I have a couple 40 ft trailers welded together and I've put R10 foam and sheeting over the exterior, so I'm about as insulated as you look to be. Probably less due to the fact the trailers are on blocks and cold air get's under and the floor isn't insulated at all.

@dandahermitseals5582 Жыл бұрын

When I lived in the bush of Alaska it cost us 30 cents a gal for the # 2;the heating oil we bought by ,,55 gal barells. My Kenmore pot burner would burn a gal a day keeping my cabin at bout 36 deg.( Not freezing) while I was gone running my trap lines. It's just sitting out in the weather cause it would be cheaper to just burn cash. And Vevor is a pretty shabby product line. They make a lot of types of heaters. I live in the mountains waaay off grid and burn a big barell heater in my tractor shop. ( Wood burner,) Cost is labor and saw fuel n oil.

@neverknow69 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Hope this helps.

@cyberthug62 4 ай бұрын

Find an old castiron radiator and run the exhaust through it, then outside reclaim the heat from the exhaust. P.S. set a fan behind the radiator.

@jmb-cm7mr Жыл бұрын

I have a Electric heater with 3 heat settings 3000 ,4000 and 5000 watt i use the 5000 watts to heat the shop up and then maintain the temp at 3000 watts. The best part is i have Solar on my house so we tied into that when we built the shop. But i am looking into a diesel heater as well.

@Den-ml7zg Жыл бұрын

This is the exact heater in my 20x24 garage, if its in the high 30s it will keep my garage at 69F with no problem.

@benjamincresswell3713 Жыл бұрын

I've heated with wood for 43yrs. It is the best hands down if you can scrounge up the wood for free. I pay $100/ face cord and I can easily burn it in a month during below 30 degree wxr using an airtight Ashley brand wood burning stove. The stove cost $450 back in 1979 and is still on the job. BUT, I have watched many KZfaqr's using "Diesel" heaters and SOME of them use GASOLINE. One lady KZfaqr calls herself Cat Lady Van who lives in BC Canada had a Gasoline version of your "Diesel" heater installed in the Van she lives in. Of course it runs off her has tank. So there's a resource to check my story out. Gasoline is about $1/ gal cheaper than Dismal fuel, doesn't smell when burnt and evaporates if spilled, unlike Dismal fuel that always stinks wet or burnt, and refuses to dry up if spilled. And lastly gasoline is way more plentiful. You might think about it when you get around to your permanent install. ben

@edwardgabriel5281 Жыл бұрын

Years ago, I installed a gasoline heater between the front seats of my VW bus. It was small but was instant and sufficient.

@reallybadaim118 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video.

@Keith_the_knife_freak Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing 👍

@ppainterco 3 ай бұрын

I tried a Buddy heater in my teardrop camper and found that they don’t work at higher altitudes. So when camping at 8500 feet then its oxygen sensor would kickoff. The other downside is that it made a lot of moisture in the air, so we had more condensation on windows, walls, etc. I put in a diesel parking heater and it runs at any altitude that I camp at. We’d only consume about a half gallon of fuel over night, and its power draw on the battery is impressively light. Once started, it draws .85 amp or about 10 watts to run the pump and fan. It’s also very dry, which dries out everything, but it can be too dry and give headaches. Oddly, I’ve heard of electric vehicle owners installing a diesel heater in the trunk. Apparently, the EVs heat the car cabin using resistive heat which draws down the battery and thus reduces range. A diesel parking heater uses way less power from the battery and thus preserves the range. So if you see a Tesla filling up at the diesel pump, now you know.

@mostlysane77 Жыл бұрын

I have a diesel heater in my shop too. The worst part of the propane heaters is they introduce a lot of moisture into the air. As for the Chinese diesle heater the 8kw one is a lie they are rebadged 5kw.

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

Yes they don't consume enough fuel to be 8kw👍 I dont have problems with any moisture. We have super dry air here in the wintertime so the added moisture is appreciated. Its the smell that gets me due to the open flame 👍🙂

@mostlysane77 Жыл бұрын

@@OUTDOORS55 ahh well here in Ireland the air is never dry 😂 I have the heater setup outside pulling in fresh air so it’s not as efficient as it could be but help keep it fresher feeling as the space is pretty well sealed. Would recommend looking at some option to add a car battery to your heater, if you have a power outage when it’s running it will shut off and can then overheat the electronics as it’s doesn’t do the cool down cycle. The power draw once up to heat is only about 30-60w so it doesn’t need to be a big battery.

@TARandFEATHERS Жыл бұрын

Interesting video. Thx

@jacobpoucher Жыл бұрын

I was also thinking of running my diesel heater off mikwaukee batteries to heat a tent or somthing

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

You'll definitely want to check the voltage first. From what ive seen 12-14v is where they want to run.👍

@jacobpoucher Жыл бұрын

@@OUTDOORS55 yeah converters are readily available I already got a working example

@monteglover4133 Жыл бұрын

Another problem with unvented gas heaters is the excess humidity added to the shop.

@JohnSmith-ef6rg 5 ай бұрын

You can put the diesel heater exhaust through a radiator so you can generate heat if you keep it inside. I'm in the process of insulating and heating my garage. I feel like I just saw the future of me seeing how you tried different things. Thanks for the video!

@OUTDOORS55 5 ай бұрын

Ive head of that but see some people have problems if not done correctly. There's plenty of videos on KZfaq about these things. Im sure someone has one who figured it out👍

@JohnSmith-ef6rg 5 ай бұрын

@@OUTDOORS55 yep! I've been watching so many videos on heating a garage. I have a detached garage that I am working on. I have the walls insulated but need to work on the ceiling. It's super leaky so I'm trying to think of a way to go overboard. Right now it seems a pellet stove but that's a lot of work haha.

@kiotee_nouw 4 ай бұрын

Folks, "PELLET" stoves is the way to go. Cheap source of fuel, you can turn on and off, and with most set to a thermostat temperature setting. I heat my entire 2300 SQ FT home annually for $700 dollars. Pellet stoves come in various sizes so they don't take up much room. That would be my recommendation.

@Jonathan-jo2xu 4 ай бұрын

if you cover them walls with plastic it will make a world of difference, even more if you use some radiant barrier. insulation is only as good as the drafts.

@jeanladoire4141 Жыл бұрын

When i'm forging, my coal forge is the cheapest heater i can have. It gives off free heat when i'm making a blade!

@wolfofmagdalene92 Жыл бұрын

A good combo for the elephant heater for a lot of people would be a timer switch/plug. Just set the on/off cycle and plug n forget lol. But that might only be good if you are a very routine person

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

It has a thermostat on it🙂

@andriosz Жыл бұрын

It's got a timer built in. You can't easily add one, because when you turn it off it needs to go through a cool down cycle. Without it stuff can melt.

@wolfofmagdalene92 Жыл бұрын

@@andrioszWell yeah I know that. I'm talking about a timer like what a lot of retail shops or even plant growers use to regulate cycles. I personally would set it up like this if I was going to be in my shop the same time every day, you wouldn't need to worry about going out there to start the heating cycle it would be doing it already. But I'm only bring it up cause he turns the whole system off over night.

@stevegreengrass7727 Жыл бұрын

@@andriosz I saw a video where a guy did add a thermostat to his diesel heater thru the keychain remote and was able to get it to go thru it's shut down cycle each time. Very interestingly done and effective!

@e.t.preppin7084 Жыл бұрын

You e always been to technical for me but that’s why I trust what you say as if I tested it myself. 👍

@WB-14 Жыл бұрын

propax heater, used in work vans etc propane

@unitedstatesdale Жыл бұрын

Is it possible to produce a video explaining BTU's ? You always explain things in a way thats easy to understand. Thanks

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

A btu is the energy required to raise one pound of water one degree Fahrenheit.

@scottweedin7570 5 ай бұрын

Question , could you put the unit outside , run the fresh air intake thru the wall so its getting warmer air than outside and also run the heating tube thru the wall ?

@WWHD223 Жыл бұрын

The most powerful heater I’ve ever seen was intended for using outdoor or in a building that has no heat and it was when I worked at a steel mill. They ended up getting these heaters that they had were electric and you could plug it up to a I can’t remember the actual voltage but I think it was 210? Anyway you could set it 30 to z50 feet from you and turn it on and it would blow hot air that whole length and warm up everything in that stretch.

@diychad7268 Жыл бұрын

And your not talking about one of those torpedo heater that uses kerosene or diesel to burn to create the heat then a big fan (reason for plugging it in) to blow said heat...... Those are the most powerful I've ever seen

@rajun50 Жыл бұрын

@@diychad7268 Guarantee that's what he's talking about. I bet a lot of folks think those are electric only.

@timm2020 Жыл бұрын

I have a big problem with moisture in the air with my heater. I am in Western Michigan and the cold here is crazy. I have been trying to figure a way to remove the moisture in the air. I have a propane heater with a 100 pound tank behind the workshop. It works the best to keep it warm.

@brettblack7049 Жыл бұрын

Hi Michiganer, I'm just east of GR. You need something vented, when you burn off the oxygen in the combustion process, you are left with the moisture. In a vented system you won't have that problem, but you will loose a little heat.

@timm2020 Жыл бұрын

@@brettblack7049 Thanks, I am near Ludington by the way.

@brettblack7049 Жыл бұрын

@@timm2020 Shoot, that's northern West Michigan lol. I miss going up that way, used to go up that way a lot, now I don't get north much at all. Sometimes just south of you in the silver lake area at a buddies cottage on the north side of the dunes right off lake mi. There's actually a few videos on my channel taking down some good sized white pines up there last spring. He wants me to head up there again this yr to drop one more that's even larger, it was struck by lightening. I've seen many of those propane heaters being used inside tighter homes or homes with older windows, you see the moisture on the windows and the walls after running them for a short time, a vented unit will take care of that problem. I heat nearly 100% with a wood stove, the rest is with a pellet stove just to help on the real cold days, or when I'm going to be out for a few days. Have a great weekend :).

@dandahermitseals5582 Жыл бұрын

Finally the topic.

@knarftrakiul3881 Жыл бұрын

Biomass reactor heaters are cool as shit... Run black water line and coil it on the ground then dump your compost on top. Temps at the core will be around 180.. some farmers heat their barns and green house all winter long

@davej3487 Жыл бұрын

In Europe most farm house "People living areas" are on the 2 and 3rd floor. The first floor are all the cattle or sheep sleep. Their body heat does help warm the floors.

@markbernhardt6281 Жыл бұрын

Rocket Mass Heater is the ticket

@gweedomurray9923 Жыл бұрын

Can you run your exhaust through a flexible duct, through your shop on its way to outside, and with maybe a low speed fan to blow heat off the duct ?

@billparker8954 4 ай бұрын

Unvented propane smells, and emits CO2, but also emits a lot of water. The exhaust is essentially CO2 and water. That's why toolboxes full of steel tools start developing patinas and rust, especially when the tools are getting cold between times when you are calling for heat. Cold steel + warm humid air = rust.

@Fuogor Жыл бұрын

Hopefully heat pumps can improve both in cost effectiveness and quality within the next decade or so. I enjoyed Matthias Wandel's recent minisplit video where he compared it to gas heating for his house -- definitely a different use case, but similar climate I believe. Right now I see the main advantage as being two systems in one, being able to air condition an area as well (or perhaps better) than heating them, perhaps making them more ideal for living spaces than working ones. They just have some ground to make up to be a good replacement for these dead simple heaters that are cheap both to purchase and fuel.

@OUTDOORS55 Жыл бұрын

I saw his video 👍

@diychad7268 Жыл бұрын

I think the bigger issue is being able to Insulate properly, if an area is well insulated then it retains the heat from say a heat pump better meaning it doesn't have to work nearly as hard to raise the temp of the area it's trying to do just that in

@toolman9081 Жыл бұрын

Heat pumps work good until the outdoor temps get to the 20's or the weather creates ice conditions. They're nowhere near on par with fossil fuels. If you're trying to maintain a 50 degree shop, a heat pump will likely do good for that. If you're try to get to 65-70 ro be in the shop, you'll likely want a fossil fuel item to get you up there and then let the heat pump maintain. In the HVAC industry we call these dual fuel systems.

@toolman9081 Жыл бұрын

@DIY Chad 726 insulation plays a huge role on the building envelope. But in the end, we're trying to heat the refrigerant up with the outdoor air. At a certain point we've crossed a line of diminishing returns. We refer to this as "balance point" in the industry. The point where the heat loss is equal to or greater than the heat input from the heat pump. At this time we will switch from the heat pump to a fossil fuel burning piece of equipment.

@toolman9081 Жыл бұрын

The most efficient and best heat pump you could easily use year round would be a geo thermal system. These are very expensive to install which creates long periods of time to see the pay back on investment. However once installed, it's easy to see on the monthly utility bills just how much money we spend on conditioning the air in our spaces. A monthly bill reduction of half is very common.