What They're NOT Telling You About Tesla's Vision Based Approach

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This week we test two Teslas side by side for their accuracy after the latest software update has finally enabled vision based parking sensors for all Tesla Model 3 and Y's built after October 2022. The update is now rolling out and owners are providing mixed reviews as far as its function and capabilities in this early stage. Last October, Tesla announced it would stop producing ultrasonics sensors on its Model 3 and Y and recently did the same for all Model S and X's. The sensors only cost Tesla a few dollars each, however, given there are 12 sensors that were removed, Sandy Munro estimates the savings total to around $114 per car for Tesla, or over $200 million in savings in a course of a year.
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@michaelfink64 Жыл бұрын

I am a Tesla owner and investor. I think it is great that Tesla is pushing the boundaries of what can be done with cameras alone, but I think it should develop these features in shadow mode using existing sensors until the new systems are optimised and ready for wide release.

@1silverounce324 Жыл бұрын

100% agree with everything you wrote.

@levenkay4468 Жыл бұрын

Amen! The time to delete the ultrasonic sensors from the car would be *AFTER* the vision-only system works at least as well as those sensors did, not year(s?) *before* .

@AidPast Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s unacceptable to cripple features like that. No respect for customers. Not sure my next EV will be a Tesla (currently own a 2021 MY).

@alaface Жыл бұрын

I believe need to reduce redundant information to not cause added info overload to the computer. Better for car to the decision based on one system rather than being second guessed and causing phantom braking and other systemic errors

@levenkay4468 Жыл бұрын

@@alaface Well, that's a plausible-sounding guess. My plausible-sounding counter-guess is that the frame rate during an 0.5MPH parking maneuver can be dropped *at least* in half (more like by an order of magnitude) vs. highway speeds, so the computer ought to have cycles to spare even if it's taking in extra information when deciding whether the car is getting too close to the lawnmower. Furthermore, it doesn't have to be the customers who guinea-pig the new vision-based parking suite, but selected volunteers or (gasp!) Tesla employees. So I stand by my outrage.

@jayvilla5985 Жыл бұрын

I am a new Tesla model Y owner. Picked mine up on March 1st. Honestly, I didn’t do all that much research on the sensor stuff. I read somewhere that sensors were being replaced by Vision, and it made it sound like it would be the same or better so I didn’t think much of it. However, once I actually picked up the Tesla and realized it had Zero park assist I was filled with regret. I couldn’t believe it. And then this week I get the vision only update and it’s so horrible that I wish I could turn it off. It’s so inaccurate most of the time that there is no point in keeping it on. Sure, it’s “cool” that it can TRY to do that with vision only, however, it’s not practical and unreliable. All my other (much older and cheaper) cars have sensors and have WAY better park assist features, and real measurable accuracy. I’m not going to be one of those guys that says “but it will get better with updates!”. We don’t know that for sure. And honestly, I don’t trust teslas decision making at this point. I will likely end up selling this one and getting the new Volvo EX90.

@wsu8568 Жыл бұрын

That is really shameful Tesla doing crap like this to their customers, like extreme arrogance and incompetence rolled in one.

@superteamvideo1930 Жыл бұрын

Tesla forces you to acknowledge that they took away the USS sensors before you complete delivery. Too bad they didn't have ANY solution for 6 months. We are just guinea pigs for another big corp. By 2024, the market will be flooded with great EVs with unique features, not barren and basic like these Teslas. They will have fully tested hardware for driver assist, too, because they've developed them over a decade(s) now, not like Tesla removing radar and USS and having nothing for years (radar). If Tesla removed hardware, why didn't they give us a discount???

@seganintendo6578 Жыл бұрын

I felt the same way. It is a 100% bad move for Tesla. I even canceled the installation on the war charger for my model Y. Just use the mobile charger for now. Maybe another EV will come out better than Tesla one day.

@maximusasauluk7359 Жыл бұрын

Exactly this, I'm rethinking my interest in buying a Model Y. It's great that the software gets constantly updated, but I want a working car that competes with competition, not a "it will always get better with time, pinky promise!" car, not when you pay a premium. How about for this price it's "already very good and just gets even better than competition" car? Because at the moment, for this price it's neither good nor competing well.

@kbreeanimalrescuer Жыл бұрын

I would hate for you to leave the Tesla family, but I truly understand your wanting the sensors! They are truly the best warning feature any car can have, especially when it comes to blind spots! All the best to you!

@jsorensens2 Жыл бұрын

My 2019 Model 3 dual motor had all the sensors, park assist, enhanced auto pilot, etc. I now have a 2022 Model Y and don’t like the vision only sensors!!!

@ItsKimJava Жыл бұрын

Here’s to hoping it’ll get better over time and be even more reliable than ultrasonics in the future.

@harunrachman3143 Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way with my 2019 Model 3. 👍

@mbryars Жыл бұрын

Just got my model Y about 10 days ago and this feature is very disappointing. I don’t have much faith that they will be able to make this as good as the old system. Other than that I love the car but this is a big issue.

@wsu8568 Жыл бұрын

I heard AP1 back from 2016 actually works better than newest stuff they have 😂

@jsorensens2 Жыл бұрын

I miss my radar and sonar sensors so much. Yesterday, when backing out of my work garage, I totally would have hit the pillar to the left of me with my left side mirror if I wasn’t backing out old school - with my own eyes and the over the shoulder guidance. My car gave me no warning at all.

@gcslade7487 Жыл бұрын

I love Telsa, but they have made a HUGE mistake in removing ultrasonic sensors! One of the main reasons I didn't upgrade my 2021 to a new 2023 model Y is I didn't want to lose my sensors. Vision is never going to be as good or as accurate as ultrasonic due to real world environmental conditions. Cameras must have ability to see for vision to effectively work. When it's snowing, raining or mud / water gets on the camera lens, the vision system becomes impaired and not reliable or accurate. Also, one of the reasons I believe FSD is struggling is not the software, rather the full reliance of cameras having clear vision. It's simply not realistic in the real world that cameras will be always clean and clear. They need to bring back radar and ultrasonic sensors to truly enable redundant, safe, reliable and effective FSD in the real world.

@ibsn87 7 ай бұрын

I love when people make a comment like this and then an update comes out. And V1 of Tesla vision is pretty slick. Can display WAY more data than USS. Including posts etc. ultimately it’s better than the ultrasonic sensors, with the exception of displaying distance, which will probably come. I’ve nearly hit a pole with my USS setup.

@jamesclerkmaxwell8020 5 ай бұрын

@@ibsn87 The problem is not the quantity of data, but its quality. Much better to have less data but more accurate.

@ibsn87 5 ай бұрын

@@jamesclerkmaxwell8020 so are you saying that USS not seeing a single post/bollard is better data? (A problem that all cars with USS can experience FWIW).

@Blaze6108 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, this is something I've always thought about, even if you did the whole Elon Musk thing of magically matching the performance of the literal human mind... a human mind and eyes are actually still much worse at judging difficult distances than an ultrasonic sensor!

@gyoung4597 Жыл бұрын

Am an investor, but I am not in favour of removing the sensors. Have trouble with Tesla vision sometimes during winter, so I know it is not perfect in all conditions. Better to have more safety. Prefer to have option to pay at the very least!

@dangr3957 Жыл бұрын

I complained to the center European Area Sales Manager, Maxence BLANC about the missing park assist. Thai was back in February. He called me up and he told me that park assist is not a safety feature and I should not worry because an update is coming soon. I am really really regret to the fact that I told my dad to get the new Model Y. This car and all the carts without USS, will never operate as good as the cars are having USS. If there is a class action I am all in!!!

@WV-HillBilly Жыл бұрын

@@dangr3957 You're correct; It simply *can't* work better than a vehicle with USS. Therefore it never *will*

@kbreeanimalrescuer Жыл бұрын

Worst decision Tesla could have made was to remove the sensors! And it will make a difference whether I buy another Tesla in the near future. Thanks for your video!

@JosefTorkelsen Жыл бұрын

Agree. Indefensible no matter how good the software is. Radar was the other worst decision. I don't trust Tesla's in the road without radar because software can't fix cameras inability to see past the car ahead.

@floridaeveryday123 Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Still don’t understand why they remove the sensors

@maximusasauluk7359 Жыл бұрын

@@floridaeveryday123 save money and because "future" and "science" and "innovation" and "weak Musk ego"

@techyjames1945 Жыл бұрын

With the current Camera placement there is some serious shortcomings on vision only. Notice while they have enabled park assist they are still not allowing summon and smart summon. This is because with the current camera locations they can’t see what is required to be seen for it to work. Then we also have situations where an object smaller than front bumper can’t be seen at all with front cameras. Your idea of a bumper camera has the flaw it would almost always be obstructed with debris from insects/road grim.

@superzero4250 Жыл бұрын

Which is why a vision only based system is an inherently flawed concept... 🤔

@No_True_Scotsman 11 ай бұрын

They'll never get it to work properly. There aren't enough cameras.

@jacobkennedy8336 Жыл бұрын

As crazy as this sounds, I think it has cost them sales. I was going to buy a 2023 Model 3 after the price cuts, but after some research and seeing all the features they have removed on the newer models I decided a used 2021 was actually a better car. I love a lot of things about what Tesla is trying to achieve but at the end of the day, it is still a car that people use everyday and it needs to be reliable.

@vasil7410 Жыл бұрын

As long as they don't disable USS support in the software, even if you have the hardware, like they did with radar. Although, I would suspect this won't happen because I think the real reason for dropping radar support is because they couldn't get it to work reliably in combination with the cameras. Their so called "neural net" software was getting too confused.

@danepher Жыл бұрын

@@vasil7410 that's strange since other car makers were able to use them effectively. Seems like they were under pressure to deliver rather then optimize their net

@robinisathakur Жыл бұрын

I also did my research before buying and decided against Tesla based on this missing feature, because I would really miss parking sensors if they weren’t there, and it seems a little dodgy to still sell you options under enhanced autopilot which currently don’t work on any of the new vehicles, I believe, like summon

@BRBallin1 Жыл бұрын

Even if you bought the older one with those sensors the underlying software would disable them with those OTA updates which change the algorithms

@jacobkennedy8336 Жыл бұрын

@@BRBallin1 As of right now they still work. If they disable them, especially before having perfected the vision system, I'll be pissed.

@dustins965 Жыл бұрын

For those that don't mind vision only sensors...old saying goes and still applies: "You don't know what you're missing until you no longer have it or lost it"

@michaelryan8926 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2023 MY and I am honestly very frustrated with it. I feel cheated, I just got FSD 11.3.5 last night and drove it today and had multiple disengages due to safety. As I watch all the amazing KZfaq videos of others doing almost flawless drives I just knew that this would not be the case for all of the people who got stuck with the stripped down Tesla's. I, like a dummy (mainly because it is my first Tesla and didn't know any better) I paid 15K for FSD. Tesla should have kept their car's with USS and radar until they knew that vision works just as good as the older models. I had a 2021 loaner from Tesla (was getting a paint chip fixed from our January pickup day) for a week and it preformed much better than my 2023. Maybe one day (soon I hope) vision will outshine sensor's but until then we're stuck with inferior car's.

@DavidBryan1 Жыл бұрын

Got 6 inches of snow last night, and took the 23 Model Y out for a drive today. All kinds of mistakes and dings when driving on the roads today. Vision tracking feels like a big fail in any kind of inclement weather. Lots of work, and TBH- I’d rather have reliable sensors vs alpha vision.

@Entrepreneuri Жыл бұрын

I believe there isn’t any car that can keep between lines in winter conditions.

@Cloxxki Жыл бұрын

You're just a Tesla hater! Elon promised coast to coast level 5 autonomy by 2017 and I still believe my hero!! :-D Imagine the mess of just a few teslas, let alone thousands, doing Robotaxi drives in those conditions and deciding they can't see and just stop where they are. No-one to look out an open window to make sure, find a safe parking spot, clean the camaras, just force majeur and too bad for everyone on the roads.

@dorhocyn3 Жыл бұрын

Apparently, Elon Musk has never had to get up in the middle of the night with no lights on and go to the restroom, because if he had, he would know that site isn’t always what we base our path on. Even if you seen that area during the day, your toes are going to provide a certain amount of input in the dark.

@vasiliyt8600 Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@alkemix Жыл бұрын

Bad analogy. Try doing that at 80mph. You'll want the lights on so you can use your eyes.

@GarrettMoffitt 5 ай бұрын

The more he talks about any technology, the more apparent it becomes he doesn't actual know what he is talking about.

@sonartech7721 Жыл бұрын

I CANNOT agree more about the wipers. I have a 2022 Model 3 Performance and I love the car. HOWEVER, I hate hate hate my wipers. Doesn’t come on while pouring the rain, DOES come on on a bright sunny day without a cloud in the sky though. Windshield perfectly clean, not a raindrop in hundreds of miles and my wipers are just going to town. Hate it. Oh and I also still have the sensors. LOVE THEM. Eff the vision crap.

@rich8669 Жыл бұрын

The vision park assist doesn't bother me, I use my own eyes. But the auto wipers drive me absolutely bananas!

@benk4044 Жыл бұрын

YES!!

@georgew8586 Жыл бұрын

I completely agree, at o dark 30 in AM or PM, completely useless.

@Luisjusthere Жыл бұрын

I agree! 90 percent of the time the wipers go insanely fast for the lightest of rain

@KSSEND Жыл бұрын

Auto wipers are absolute the worse. The vision park doesn’t work because you can’t see the hood of the MY to “eye ball” it. However, over time I’ll probably be able to predict where I need to be.

@stephencollins7714 Жыл бұрын

We all use our own eyes all of the time but mine do not have the benefit of an accurate built in measure and nor do they work as well in the dark or in bad weather. All of these systems are primarily there to back up a human, not to replace one but they often catch things that we do not, that is the real value of them.

@yogi799 Жыл бұрын

I'm seeing you're reporting honestly about all the mistakes tesla is making (at our expense) and I appreciate it. Glad you've renamed the channel from Like Tesla as these things simply make me not like mine at times. It's a great car but the amount of flaws and seemingly idiotic (greedy?) decisions is astounding. Wipers too as you've said. They're an utter disaster. Keep up honest reporting. Felt good to hear you voice my frustration...

@raulruly Жыл бұрын

It really should have both....they are aiming for FSD and for those situations (just like planes) they need redundant systems, not only Vision but also the sensors. Both system backing up each other for situations where Vision is not able to see a 'child playing hide and seek'.

@AaronAntcliff Жыл бұрын

Removing USS before having the software ready seems oddly out of sequence. I’m sure tesla will continue to improve and expand Vision capability, but what if they end up dogfooding this for a long time? In light of this, maybe I should look into buying used instead of new.

@areitu Жыл бұрын

My guess as to why they removed the sensors is that their supplier contracts for the sensors was expiring before the feature was fully ready, so instead of renewing, possibly at higher price, they probably went ahead and took it out

@WV-HillBilly Жыл бұрын

I 100% regret buying a 2023 now. I would trade it for a low mileage 2021 straight up to be honest

@ccarniver Жыл бұрын

I hope someone starts a class action lawsuit to force tesla to retrofit sensors onto all the cars without USS

@anthonyf105 Жыл бұрын

I really wish they would've kept the sensors. The biggest concern for me is at night; how well was Tesla Vision tested at night or will be tested? I was driving a long dark road in a canyon when I got a warning that said something was covering my side cameras. Nothing was covering it, it was just so dark that the camera thought something was and it gave me that error. I love my 2023 Model 3 that I bought during the price cuts, but I really wish they had those sensors. Those sensors were an additional safety feature that got removed.

@superteamvideo1930 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. USS and radar are better than "eyes." That's why MB uses redudancy for superior safety.

@Ajkhan2008 Жыл бұрын

That is a excellent video for new Tesla owners, like myself, I am going to pick up my Tesla model Y this week.

@erwinvangorkum Жыл бұрын

Great video! Hopefully Vision will improve over time, at this point I can’t rely on it when parking. I’m curious about the extra display you have mounted. Are you happy with it? If you are I would love to know where you bought it. Thanks.

@davidbryant2872 Жыл бұрын

What Tesla is doing is what always does...skimping on its own testing of new software and using the owners as software testers (and as hardware testers, too, in this case). And the KZfaqrs like Kim even do reports of their testing in the form of videos, saving Tesla engineers from having to do them!

@brucetrx Жыл бұрын

I’m sure Tesla’s engineers won’t even bother with Kim’s videos because everything is within specs.

@drschultz Жыл бұрын

I’m very skeptical they can improve park assist much because if a camera can’t see it the software doesn’t matter

@connormiller8199 Жыл бұрын

Just like they are improving their self-driving while the cameras stay the same, they can improve park assist while the cameras stay the same.

@okgoogle4206 Жыл бұрын

How do human do it?

@larycel 7 ай бұрын

I have a '22 M3LR with the sensors, my wife has a '23 MYP without sensors. I drive both cars and get waaaay more proximity alerts and forward collision warning in her car. I even see alerts to Stop when there is absolutely nothing around the car at all. So I vote that we keep the sensors.

@carternll Жыл бұрын

we have both a 3 and a Y with vision now. It's okay, the sides & back are pretty accurate but the front is atrocious. It flickers back and forth with a difference of like 10-20 inches and constantly beeps and tells us to stop. We also have the "park assist loading", which is annoying because it takes 10-20s to even load and at that time you're already out of the spot that you needed it.

@JeanPierreWhite Жыл бұрын

I have found the auto wipers to be pretty good in the last few years. Going off in shadows is pretty much fixed. Not wiping when they should is pretty much fixed as well. On occasions I may have to press the left stalk button to do a quick wipe. I can see why cars without stalks would be frustrating.

@rogerpoppen2651 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2018 M3LR that came with radar and sonic sensors. Have these been disabled? The few times I've tried to use Autopark lately, the 'P' symbol indicating a space just would not appear. And using Autopilot in heavy rain is often not possible because the cameras are occluded. Deleting and disabling sensors are a big mistake!

@billlowe9417 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video, Kim. Fair and balanced. Also, just curious if the land / lots across from your house will ever have houses on them? I've been curious about this in the time i've been watching your channel. Good for you if it will remain undeveloped!

@ItsKimJava Жыл бұрын

You and me both, they’ve wavered back and forth about building on it but we’re happy to have the trees.

@RealDyl75 Жыл бұрын

Software is only as good as the hardware. Blind spots can only be fixed with more hardware (cameras). I love Tesla, but they're clearing rolling stuff out before it's ready. Great video

@gokkuladithyakarthikeyan9498 Жыл бұрын

My dad has a Tesla model Y the one without ultrasonic sensors he was very impressed by this type of approach that Tesla is doing right now.

@worldofronkuhnel Жыл бұрын

I own a 2021 model Y delivered in December 20 20. It came with ultrasonic sensor switch worked beautifully. A few months ago I noticed that they no longer were working at it. To be replaced by vision did Tesla make a software update to remove ultrasonic sensors from existing vehicles and have them? Does anyone have an answer to that or has my car just become defective. 11:20 11:20

@tuna117 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2023 model 3 with vision only and just got the update it’s pretty hilarious as I have a dirt driveway that’s about 300 feet long and the park assist goes nuts

@njgtguy Жыл бұрын

Tesla needs to put the ultrasonic sensors back in their cars. Based on what you are saying,Kim, and others have said Tesla is already making healthy profits above others so putting the USS back in won’t impact that margin in a significant way. My opinion anyway.

@morganzoeclanthem2847 Жыл бұрын

Bats and owls and dolphins also navigate with sonar and keen hearing, so I think radar is very useful here.

@tommybahamax Жыл бұрын

So I'm confused I have a new 2023 long range Model S build date was December of 22 does my car have ultrasonic sensors on it or not I see the little circles on the car but lots of videos like this that I see says the car does not have them thoughts?

@ItsKimJava Жыл бұрын

My understanding is that they just recently removed the sensors from S and X.

@tomgunc Жыл бұрын

Wow! I am so glad I have the ultrasonic sensors for things I can not see.

@raymondtrippy3610 Жыл бұрын

Very informative, thank you. 👍

@rickl138 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2022 model 3 LR picked up 11/22 that has sensors. I am glad it does!

@mywifestesla Жыл бұрын

Just had the updated pushed to me last night, so today was the first chance I've had to play with it. Now coming from my wife's Model 3 with the Ultrasonic Sensors, this iteration of park assist using Tesla Vision doesn't compare. USS is so much more reliable and for the most part pretty darn accurate. Having said that, my RWD M3 doesn't have the sensors, so I've been without the Park Assist feature since I took delivery in November. I was pleasantly surprised on how it performed for me today. Keep in mind, I'm going from nothing to Tesla Vision Park Assist, so something is better than nothing. It definitely needs some improvement, but hey it's the first iteration, and I expect it will improve. The question is, will it ever get to the point of what we had with USS?

@ronngot Жыл бұрын

What do you make of the fact that they spent at least 6 months making the product we got now? :-) Shouldn't the product be a bit more accurate?

@TeeFunkable Жыл бұрын

And considering that teslas parking, even with USS, was pretty horrible when compared to the properly functioning ones, is there any hope of the vision system ever being even halfway decent?

@WV-HillBilly Жыл бұрын

To answer your final question: No, not possible.

@DRVRLES Жыл бұрын

I’ve been driving since 1973 and bought dozens of new and used cars in my time, which none of them ever had sensors or did I check for panel gaps.I am a big investor and this past Wednesday I took delivery of my 2023 M3P and subscribed to FSD wanting to drive beta. It has v11.1(2023.2.200) and I don’t even see this option on my screen. I’m still learning and figuring all this out. Great videos.

@dylangarcia9468 Жыл бұрын

only channel i've seen talk about this (on my feed). nice job y'all.

@tonyanthony1933 Жыл бұрын

Kim, thanks for making this video. You are more likely to get Tesla to listen to you than I can get them to listen to me. I have a new Model Y without the sensors and got the software update last Saturday. On Friday night, it was a nervous nelly going through the drive-thru at In-N-Out, thinking I was going to hit the building or the shrubbery, whereas my 2017 Volt always did just fine. Saturday inside the underground parking garage at the LAX Hilton, it said I had over a foot of room before hitting a column, when the bumper actually ran into the column, then it said I had lots of room in front where I touched a plastic chain at the back of the parking space. Again my Volt would have negotiated this just fine. The parking assist graphics look super-cool, but this feature has a long way to go. Tesla is doing a poor job of using prior video frames as it approaches a parking space to improve the 3D dimensions, but this will never find a child or animal hiding in front of the car. Clearly either radar will be needed or more cameras at the nose of the car. If you want ulltrasonic quality parking assist, cancel your Model Y/3 order until you can be sure you'll get the extra front cameras, which might come with/after Hardware 4.

@hartfilledangel Жыл бұрын

I am both an owner and investor. I have both the sensors on one vehicle and tesla vision on the other. I prefer the sensors they are so much more accurate and sees much clearer. The Tesla vision update is so excessively sensitive. making the dinging sound over and over all the time. The vision misses a lot just as in your video with your bike. I feel this was a way for them to make profits and cheap out on installing the sensors.

@Cloxxki Жыл бұрын

Imagine the grid lock of just a few self driving Teslas deciding to stop driving in a metropole enjoying a mild blizzard.

@davinalex Жыл бұрын

Unrelated question. Since you’ve changed your headlights and fog lights, are you still able to enable the light shows?

@michaelechols4972 11 ай бұрын

I just purchased my 2023 model Y with Vision and when parking in my garage I unfortunately have to ignore those stop warnings even when I pull into my driveway. A lot of the time I get the parking assist loading and I just pull out of my spot because sometimes I don't have time to wait for that...I should probably learn where to check what software version I have. I still like my Tesla after a couple of weeks but I never got to have the sensors so I can't really compare the two but the best way I can view when parking is just backing into a spot.

@John-Adams-Can Жыл бұрын

As someone that has designed the machines that install those sensors, I would say Sandy is slightly off because the facias go through a complex process to first punch the holes and then plastic weld the brackets for the sensor. This does not even include the manual assembly of the sensors themselves. In some cases the facias are going through many processes that involve moving those parts from factory to factory which is in itself VERY costly. So I am assuming Tesla is saving A LOT more than he thinks. I digress to his expertise on cost as I am a mere machine designer. The ironic thing is we use similar sensors to detect the presence of a part in the process raise quality control. However, it was our goal to move entirely to vision systems in the manufacture side to reduce costs on even our end. Very interesting "video". Thanks. Both my wife and I have worked on the Tesla and we are both in awe of their move to root cause and not producing useless features. I simply wish it was possible to do so with the big 3 but there is just too much red tape in the middle.

@AngelArm1110 Жыл бұрын

For what reason have you put the word video in quotations?

@ChipMIK Жыл бұрын

A small saving can be very costly in the end if the final product gets so bad the consumers reject it. Rain-sensor sucks as its camerabased. Vision-driving sucks as it doesnt work when visibility is below 3-500 yards, brakes for shadows from threes and the auto-dim is the same, as purely camerabased too and terrible slow to react as the cameras are flooded with light after passing an opposing car. All this due to cost-saving and all this makes the car utter stressfull to drive in anything but lab-perfect weather. More and more people here in Scandinavia is starting to recognize this, even YT-testers are starting to reject Teslas after having the cars for week-tests instead of just a few hours of driving on a, (not too much as the cameras then risk getting blinded from the sun = "Reduced speed due to limited visibility"), dry sunshiny day. Too much living in that spreadsheet and to little IRL. Dangerous roads Elon has chosen in the name of greed.

@John-Adams-Can Жыл бұрын

@@AngelArm1110 play on words of the word "vision".

@skywave12 Жыл бұрын

Good to know. Have a 2019 M3P. Added CCS support. Has all sensors including Radar. I hear they are bringing back high def Radar. Other than not having the latest vision 4 hardware. I will keep it for sure. Thanks for the review.

@evgrandpa365 Жыл бұрын

Just picked up my 2023 Performance Model Y. No issues with Tesla vision. I never liked auto park and summon feature on my 3. It never really functioned well for me so I stuck with the basic auto pilot and didn't add the enhanced version.

@user-mz2pt6zm4u 5 ай бұрын

We have a late 2023 model y and the vision isn’t that bad normally, but sometimes it is really rubbish, especially with less clear bays, but the new 3d high fidelity park assist and proven very accurate and useful, we love it

@ScreamingIntoTheOvoid Жыл бұрын

I have a 2019 model 3 and I’m afraid to update the software because they’re going to disable my radar etc.

@MbT379 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@H3erobrineNotch Жыл бұрын

Worst thing to do is remove features and experiment with new features. Only remove old features if you know the new ones are tested!

@teslaw-model3 Жыл бұрын

well done, elon, well done! seems like we are back in the 80s when a passenger had to step outside the car im order to wave the distance to the driver by hand. 🤦‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️

@alexgayer85 Жыл бұрын

I get why Tesla removed them, but I do miss the sensors at this time. I’m hopeful they can improve. Right now, my vision park is basically useless where I am. It is frequently “loading” or “unavailable,” and when it IS working, it starts screaming STOP as my tires first touch my parking pad when I have another car length to go. I’ve just muted the chimes.

@smileigotcha9988 Жыл бұрын

my question is what is that yarn/thread on the steering wheel of the Model Y...

@hungtrinh83 6 ай бұрын

Very informative

@braydonsnoddy9743 Жыл бұрын

Huge tesla lover here, but when I am looking to buy a tesla next year I will not consider one without ultra sonic sensors at this time. Living in Oregon where it rains 80% of the year and side/rear cameras are always dirty, I don’t see how it would be possible to have park assist in the PNW conditions for a majority of the year. That’s a total deal breaker for me.

@jpmackin Жыл бұрын

Clarification please- do the X wipers suck in auto mode only or even when you choose the speed?

@walterrumohr7090 Жыл бұрын

You speak fluently and clearly. ❤

@spyadagani Жыл бұрын

I never had USS on my previous cars and recently got my M3 without USS. Recent software update makes it more confusing than not having that aid. I would like some option to disable that as an aid.

@stkuj Жыл бұрын

I have a M3 with USS and MY w/o USS. I do admit USS are better right now, but I'm confident that we will have constant updates for the next 3-6 months that will continue to improve this system.

@Yoh-Dah Жыл бұрын

Vision-based rain sensor is so bad on my 2019 M3 that I only use manual mode. And you have to take your eye off the road to switch wiper speeds. I’ve also disabled audio warnings whenever possible - a lot more annoying than useful.

@tashi7160 Жыл бұрын

Never used/needed park assist in my life, either way, had fun to watch this.

@jakesouthard9175 Жыл бұрын

Slightly worried about the model y I have on order with June delivery. Removing the sensors without the vehicle being equipped with HW4 (more cameras) makes me think I won’t want to take delivery. I currently have a model 3 I bought new in 2020

@Eatherius Жыл бұрын

I am an owner and investor. If you know anything about cars and mechanics you know the less the better. Less parts, less things that can break. Less worry as an owner. Hopefully they solve the issues with current hardware.

@jamesclerkmaxwell8020 5 ай бұрын

Totally agree but then he should not float the idea of "Robotaxi" which require, to be done correctly, a multitude of redundant and complementary sensors. Its a life and death matter after all. Aircrafts require tons of sensors to safely fly in IFR conditions

@warrior15r Жыл бұрын

@Kim Java - I remember you were promoting a cordless vacuum for your tesla but I don’t remember which video it was. Can you tell me which video or which cordless vacuum it was?

@ItsKimJava Жыл бұрын

It’s in this videos description. Thanks for watching! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLuaidWB2azYmYk.html

@minmo1992 Жыл бұрын

I am happy with tesla vision. Yes it is not as accurate as the uss but i am sure it will get even better. One thing most reviewers never mention that the tesla vision also gives you warning about parallel parking to a curb which has been very helpful for me to save me from curb rashes. Uss cars do not even have this feature. I dont need to rely on park assist to see what is in front of me but I do need assistance while parallel parking.

@Dr1213g Жыл бұрын

What’s the mini screen you have installed?

@ItsKimJava Жыл бұрын

See link in description

@lapmobile5369 Жыл бұрын

When you use the tape measure to compare to what the Tesla says is the distance, you probably need to measure the distance from the closest point on the car to the closest object and not from the sensor to the object.

@backcountryFLcyclist Жыл бұрын

What is the yarn on the steering wheel for? Also, my 21 3LR AWD came with ultrasonic sensors what car company takes away the ability to use hardware after you have owned the vehicle for years? I purchased it, don't take the ability to use it away. If Tesla wants to add a software setting to toggle between vision and ultrasonic, then ok, but don't disable a feature I have already purchased.

@halkdc Жыл бұрын

The vision park assist is currently terrible. At all the times I need it when parking it either days it’s unavailable or a camera is blocked.

@brookead Жыл бұрын

The saving on removing the sensors isn’t the cost. It’s throughput at the factory. Not having to install 12 little sensors and their wiring will reduce time on station for the car and that will increase output, which is worth a lot more to them than $114 a car… Not sure it makes sense even then, but I suspect that’s why they did it.

@bearlemley Жыл бұрын

I really hope my Thai YP arrives with US sensors on May 10. I had planned to buy the enhanced AP but if it does not have the sensors I will not be buying Enhanced Autopilot. If I have to drive and park anywhere we can always drive our 2013 Ford Fiesta or the newer Ford Everest which have parking sensors. The model Y will look good left in the garage though. Thank you for the video

@jesselester4793 Жыл бұрын

I have an order in for a Model Y. However, we're really thinking of cancelling now due to some of their decisions. Unfortunately I didn't know about the removal of USS until after I ordered, but this is not a good thing. We have multiple kids so all safety features that are standard on most cars today are a big consideration. It's too bad because there are no other electric cars that would fit our needs, so we'd have to go with a gas SUV as the alternative.

@ntnboy85 Жыл бұрын

per personal experience, i feel it's better to have the Tesla Vision Park Assist than not. i can't compare to USS cuz i've never driven a car with one. I do believe in the Tesla Vision approach, but i feel they should add more/better/different camera (prob project Highland will solve this), in possibly better locations/placement. At least an extra camera in lower front, and 1 on each side in the far front.

@ronngot Жыл бұрын

Have two new model Y (2023) and a 2014 mod S. The weeks without any kind of parking assistance were annoying. Maybe not so much in relation to parking as I always back up when I park, but preferably when I was driving in narrow passages. Car parks, narrow driveways, road work areas are examples. So when Vision came it was a big improvement even if in my view it is very cautious in distance measurement the right way :-) But compared to Mod s from 2014 it still doesn't feel as safe. But it can be a matter of habit. It amazes me that Tesla took 6 months to get the vision rolled out. It probably means that this is excessively complex.

@KevinT3141 Жыл бұрын

We replaced a Santa Fe XL Ultimate with the Model Y two months ago, and I _really_ miss the 360 overhead view from its four cameras. I'd take that over woogly lines, bings, and bongs any day of the week.

@dtallornothing Жыл бұрын

The removal has definitely caused me to wait on buying a Model Y, especially the self reported increased phantom braking along with USS inconsistency. So I probably will wait until either they add a front camera + radar in HW4 or until a competitor gets to a more appealing price point. Otherwise I would have already bought one this year.

@elliesimpson6296 Жыл бұрын

Waiting for parking assist to load is frustrating. I'm assuming it will get better with time.

@eftinga 6 ай бұрын

Recently purchased a Model 3 without USS. Definitely don't totally trust the vision system. With the Holiday update, it seems to be a bit more accurate, but doesn't show distances any more so hard to say. Definitely think Tesla should have perfected the park assist features with Vision System before removing USS. It's ridiculous that these features are missing for so many and it's a step backwards in features for what seems like a minimal cost to Tesla. I'd be willing to pay extra for more sensors.

@brandonwatsonmedia Ай бұрын

We own 2 Tesla vehicles. Love them. Now ... for Elon to make a statement (I'm paraphrasing) "Humans (basically just) drive with their eyes & and biological neural nets" is asinine because we use HEARING to detect potential environment situations like sirens or tire's screeching, our sense of FEEL to sense what rain or wind feels like against the car. So while they are not the PRIMARY senses we drive with, these are all things that could be considered secondary - or redundant - sensors. Like RADAR! How can he not see that.

@mrdsn189 Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@srskizzle Жыл бұрын

I like Sensors and I like Vision. As an owner of 2 Teslas I just want enough accuracy to not hit something. My one car with FSD has greatly improved with the latest FSD update. Still gets a bit WONKY at turns and STOP signs and STOP light. Still holding out hope! 🙏

@mitchellbarnow1709 Жыл бұрын

I now wish that I had sold my Model 3 when prices were crazy, but maybe software is going to have a magical breakthrough?

@ScreamingIntoTheOvoid Жыл бұрын

I like how Elon says the perfect driver assist will be the one that mimics human senses, because y’know, people don’t get in terrible accidents ever.

@jamesclerkmaxwell8020 5 ай бұрын

indeed. Imagine if aircraft manufacturers followed the same "logic"... we would not be able to fly in the densest fogs using human senses only

@trmcpgale Жыл бұрын

was it cost-saving or a supply issue....

@dotmatrixxx Жыл бұрын

I got my 2023 model Y long range built in Texas in November/December and I noticed no sensors. Which sucks because I’m so use to backing up and hearing warning signals and telling me car is approaching if I don’t see if. Prior car was ford edge. Well this was very upsetting. Well got the update last week and it’s better hit not the same as to having sensors. It does help when going into a parking space straight on. It’s a little iffy when turning into a space like it has a dead zone in a corner of the front bumper but it’s much better though with warnings. Just trying to figure it out by time and getting the hang of it and also with updates I hope it improve. Feel like Tesla needs more cameras on the car maybe some in the headlights for better vision. But still happy with it better then nothing

@jasonfournier Жыл бұрын

Big fail. I'm glad I have the USS. If it ever gets good, they can always supplement the old cars with it. The vision system will always have limitations since it has blind spots that it can't compensate for when not moving.

@MadridIsta7 Жыл бұрын

light rain in the evening made the park assist stop working. This is an absolute joke!

@MadridIsta7 Жыл бұрын

In fact it is so inaccurate that it will be useless when you actually need it

@harmangaming4898 Жыл бұрын

Just ordered a 2023 Model YP and not even concernet about sensors, coz My 2008 camry dint had No parking sensor😂😂, And if you keep your eyes open and attention on your surroundings you wont hit something Easily, So I only Hope they can improve this feature over time thru software updates!!

@RyanWilmot Жыл бұрын

I have a 2023 model X with HW4 and the car still doesn’t detect light rain. But I think with the new HD radar that will fix the blind spot in front of the bumper people are worried about once they enable it.

@teikken Жыл бұрын

I’m coming from a 2013 Toyota Corolla - without all the electronic driving safety assist systems. This is a nothing burger to me. 😅 But, at this price point, yeah, I totally get it.

@khaavi Жыл бұрын

We have one car with and one without, and it is sad. I didn’t miss the sensors a ton in the end…but I much prefer no sensors to really crappy, dangerous ones.

@justo711 Жыл бұрын

I have a new 2023 Model Y with the update, and it tells me to stop in my garage sooner than my old one with ultrasonics did. I’m glad it’s being conservative, but I have lost trust in park assist and can’t rely on it like I did previously.

@superbigblack Жыл бұрын

My wife uses the camera on her Nissan to park in the garage. Telsa just needs to turn on all the camera when something in getting close when moving at a really low speed.

@KineticEV Жыл бұрын

I am a owner and an investor. I took delivery of my Austin TX. built Model Y at the end of October last year and it still have the seasons and they work very well. From what I've been seeing and hearing from others in the community the vision system sucks. But even at $100 a car that isn't much to pass on to the consumer. When Tesla raised prices over and over, consumers didn't like it but that didn't hurt demand, so tacking on the cost for the sensors we would all be happy to pay that price for something we know that works. If they're doing it to save cost and make a profit then it makes no sense, since they could easily pass that cost onto us who would pay for it easily. Let's say it cost them $100 but they added in $500 into the price of the vehicle to cover that cost and then some. Given what we're willing to pay for their vehicles we would easily pay it.

@ericy.2108 Жыл бұрын

Not upgrading my USS equipped Tesla until they add front bumper cam (Highland refresh later this year is rumored to have that).

@linkfang9300 Жыл бұрын

Tesla Vision is also limited by hardware, the cameras also have their limitations, such as the pixels are not enough, bad weather, blind spot, etc. Software won't solve those limitations. I hope the refreshed Model 3 will do a better job with more cameras and higher resolutions and not sure if the new lidar would help.

@velonino2691 Жыл бұрын

Vision is good, vision plus ultra sonic sensor is even better. There are edge cases that vision may not see obstacles when it is too close to the bomber or the obstacle is placed there after the car is parked. I would say the ultra sonic sensors serve as extra eyes. For human vision our eyes are up front not set back with a long hood blocking our view.