Bro, these two should have a podcast. I freaking love their level of knowledge and they are calm and open to exchange opinions.

What the hell Ray we missed the best parts 😂

Awesome seeing these two talk. Big fan of Janis and Devon.

Great talk between two of the technical and tactical masters of armwrestling! Yes please for the love of god make the setup faster. It really sucks that 75-80% of the 5 HOURS that an event takes, is setup. EvW13 I even watched half of it on sunday, so I could just fast forward to the actual armwrestling every time. --- LASER pointer in the middle also speeds up setup time and reduces complaints.

To of the old-school pullers 💪LEGENDS💪

Love listening to 2 of the best to ever do it. Janis n Devon are so knowledgeable n interesting to listen to!!!

Two legends

2:30 Devon's impression of Michael Todd was low-key perfect.

Best collab ever!!!❤

Also, you shouldn't be able to be saved by a foul when you're superclose to getting pinned. When every person with a normal brain can see someone CLEARLY beats the other one, a foul from the losing side, half a second before (s)he gets pinned, should be irrelevant. You get pinned, you lose.

I agree with most of Devon's opinions, but increased risk of injury aside kingsmove under table is a MASSIVE advantage in my opinion. You basically have to break the persons arm, dislocate their shoulder or lift the entire person off the ground to win.

These is probably best duo, in terms of knowledge in yhe sport and the way of talking

And also, if only we could get that 45-min-1hour of them discussing the matches back! Dangggg it was toooo good the cameras couldn’t stand it

Thanks for the video

Both these guys are two of my favorite CHAMPS “

We need innovations🎉

The best nickname for Janis I ever heard was the “cheeseberg”. Fantastic stuff.

Excellent discussion with experienced and passionate old schoolers. Cheers

What a treat !!!Always love listening to Janis talk (except commentary ) .It doesn’t get better than Devon + Janis

Amazing show

This is the best talk ever between these to.

Actually a great armwrestling talk!

Great channel

Quality content

Dont change nothing! If its not broken ,dont fix it! Devon is my fav.but no one wants to see armwrestling under the table. That will only put me away from the sport.

We want to see Janis completing ❤❤....

12:50 you can play football (soccer) everywhere as well, and that has goal line technology, VAR for video reviews of fouls, hell it's even semi automated now. That's perfectly fine.

Queens move is not allowed in East v West so glad.

Pre-accident Oleg was incredible. That was an amazing match with Devon, very tough. Oleg still looks great, I don’t think he’s quite fully healed yet though, but give him time. 💪🏻

02:23 that mmt impression lol

Two armwrestling sensei in a video

Amazing amazing amazing

You only use the kingsmove wen your opponent is a lot stronger then you OR YOUR GASS OUT !!!AND THER IT.S OG BETTER TO KEEP FIGHTING THEN GIVING UP A REAL CHAMPION NEVER GIVS UP

Arm wrestling will never reach the next level because of coach ray :(

I've always agreed that fighters should not be punished for having certain mechanical advantages.

Real talk, #letitbreak

this chat shouldve been after the matches considering what was talked about.

Start counting intentional fouls in a losing position as pins. That’s what we should do. #takanakarobbed

"Some beginner from Alabama" !😂

You cant ask fans anything. You need to ask the pro's. I think there would be more support for the kings move in Canada, and possibly the US than in Europe.

Legends

Devon didnt talk about Engins argument though . Kings move is extremely dangerous for your opponent . For example when Engin faced it the first time he broke his elbow and torn some ligaments even though he won the match. It was so bad that his career have been effected from it. Its very dangerous and hard to beat. Shoulder across center and should below center fouls are good I think. This way its more muscle,less joint lock. It means less danger.

Have to get Janis at EVW in peak form against the top lightweights. Bishop in peak form could be the guy in the division as well.

I would like to see the setup as part of the fight. Allow the fighter to fight over the grip, and keep the rules to the minimum.

The real question about Levan is how long his health holds out considering what he is doing to his body. Like Denis.

Please don’t ever legitimize the kings move like it was done in WAL. That was not wrestling but a leverage game….and an advantage to people who can’t straighten their arms. The current rule is great, it allows for a very liberal open top roll while still keeping it fair with not allowing the humerus on a decline from a losing position.

Love Janis

What about a Oleg Z. Vs Travis B. left hand match ?? Any thoughts guys?

I feel like every high level match should start in straps and in referees grip for the most fair equal start for both pullers... its soo frustrating as a viewer watching 2 people battle for position for 5 minutes only for em both to slip anyway! It makes matches drag on waay longer than necessary..

Armwrestling is great like it is. No bigger elbow pads, no lower pin pads, no freedom, no hiding under the table..

Hahahahahaha Devon’s best vision of pure Armwrestling full 360 degree , spherical freedom. No rules !!! Now we know where no Limits really comes from 😹😹

12:44 ridiculous to go without a referee. The person who isn't green knows when they're going to push the button. They have a massive advantage with timing

The only negative thing that threatens the sport is when guys are allowed to START in the press. I've seen this happen several times recently and it really ruins the match. Couple examples is the Lars guy vs Denis' training partner and I think there was a recent one with Michael Todd where he starts in the press. Hopefully it gets fixed.

There should be a 5 second timer and both athletes have to go when the time hits zero and makes a noise, then it’s the same every time

22:21 I think from that, shouldn't it follow that arm sumo is safer? If it is more dangerous, we can assume that people will be more mindful, especially if Arm Wrestling moves towards Arm Sumo (because everyone will be adhering to the new rules and thus be aware of that). It would be a learning experience, for sure!

When it comes to desperation move, only if majority of EvsW athletes agree then maybe it can be acceptable

Devon you once said something like only the elite armwrestlers should be using the kings move. This was the smartest thing you ever said. Now, even though you talk about the danger, you still want to push it. There is no way this move should be legal or allowed.

👏👏🤩🤩

Janis keep interrupting Devon what a champ.

Arm Sumo is way more exciting than regular armwrestling. Imo.

The reason Engin is so against the King's Move is because he injured himself trying to blast through it when he first encountered it years ago.

Travis was so big back when he was beating up on Chaffee and Jerry. Would love to see him get back in the gym and start putting some muscle back on. Holy cow would that be cool

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Why is no one taking up Brad Grundys 5k supermatch challenge with anyone under 240lbs ? I think Paul linn would be a good guy to take that bet.

Devon is my fav but i dont agree with any change he put it here.

As long as we can define what having your elbow on the pad means, then any king's move, no matter shoulder level, is fine. But if refs let people get away with elbow above the pad and tricep at the very back edge, it's bullshit. Unfair height gain

I miss the haleraiser 😢

Laser tech to guarantee an official pin .....

Just go WAL ruleset with the setup and a TRUE running foul system. Fixes a lot of the problems.

Janis, many things are an advantage already, bro. It's an advantage that the longer-armed person can top-roll. King's Move is an advantage. Just having a longer arm is an advantage. Setting up higher is an advantage. There are tons of advantages that are legal, and they could make rules to take them away but they don't. Moving the body along with the arm, instead of just the arm, is an advantage. The list goes on and on. I think that they should get rid of both shoulder crossing center and shoulders square. Also, all fouls should be up to the opponent to decline, so that they can't "earn" a restart with a foul, or even just fouling until they lose against the opponents wishes. Like when Devon screams for the refs to not call a foul. If the opponent doesn't mind your foul, then why does it need to be called?

Devon trying to be the founding father of the future of arm wrestling.

If we go back to Arm sumo, we will go back to the old days of drunk f**** armwrestling... its gonna look exactly the same...

I assumed the reason the kings move was nerfed was advantage it gives to people with bone lock. The crazy George story is the biggest factor in my opinion of the kings move. Old dudes do not dominate to such an old age, I don't give a fuck how crazy they are! Edit: Okay my grammar and reasoning has hole or two(old dudes do dominate in arm wrestling) but theres a point in there somewhere that holds.

Coach Ray, you had one job.....

Janis will smoke Bishop. That's not even fair.

Vitaly in 1 year if he can put on another 15kg. Maybe, he could beat Levan

I think the level of armwrestling has gone way up since travis left . I dont think he can be top 10 in left or right .

Why not just make the strap, velcro

Devon: "fair start is very important" Has like 3 cm higher webbing than Levan 😂😂😂

Come on Levan is a monster who has been juiced up to the max. Of course he works hard, but without that cocktail he would be who he is today. What is it that makes one a champion? Remove the enhancing garbage they put in their bodies and they are like the rest of us. How long do you think they will "reign"? Many have already had wake up calls and so many are no longer here.

You should call the consent system the Green-Go system. Sounds like Gringo so it's still funny.

Devon, it is unfair, because you have to fight against anatomical lock and there are 0 lanes you can open against the king's move, same thing can happen if you allow shoulder over the center. I can't think of any legal move that doesn't have a lane to open and win without breaking arm. Saying it's fair because everyone can do the move is wrong, because everyone can also lift their elbows, so we have to remove elbow fouls? That's not a good argument.

Yo! The desperation move is utter garbage. EoD. Move on! 😅

Ban the kings move, its not about strength and its boring.

Bringing back kingsmove is what should

#letitbrake !!! LEGALIZE THE KINGSMOVE !!!

yessir

02:25 that mmt impression lol

There should be a 5 second timer and both athletes have to go when the time hits zero and makes a noise, then it’s the same every time