What Tuchel's Bayern exit means for Alonso race
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Күн бұрынBayern Munich announced on Wednesday morning that head coach Thomas Tuchel and the club will be parting ways at the end of the season. Tuchel replaced Julian Nagelsmann in 2023, initially on a deal until June 2025.
Will Bayern be able to compete with Liverpool in tempting Xabi Alonso to become their new manager in the summer?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by The Athletic’s German football writer Raphael Honigstein and Nick Miller to discuss what is next for both Bayern and Tuchel.
00:00 Intro
01:35 What happened at Bayern?
03:41 Has Tuchel done anything wrong?
06:48 Did Tuchel believe he could stay past the summer?
08:48 Could Bayern win the Bundesliga in the summer?
10:58 Who could take the Bayern job?
13:05 Xabi Alonso at Leverkusen
16:25 Bayern Munich or Liverpool for Alonso?
20:50 Level of opposition in the Premier League
23:58 What can Alonso possibly do better?
26:21 International management
28:40 Harry Kane’s resilience
31:02 Outro
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@stephenroskell7241 3 ай бұрын
Ayo is a great host/interviewer. He has that rare talent of letting the shows guest talk for extensive periods and get their full points across. This quality is so rare in our current media.
@BookerT555 3 ай бұрын
Totally agree he’s very good at this format of show.
@MrMoneyLong 3 ай бұрын
Spot on. The calmness in his voice is very soothing as well.
@mrD66M 3 ай бұрын
You're new to the Athletic / Tifo then?
@haimainjauo242 3 ай бұрын
If only he didn't pander so much and implode in laughter after so many random off-topic thoughts. He waffles and smiles so it works. He's pulling a Micah Richards
@TNT_12 3 ай бұрын
Ayo is a really good host up until the moment he starts laughing. Veryyyyyyy cringey and annoying
@otto_jk 3 ай бұрын
I still think that Bayern would have beaten City if they hadn't sacked Nagelsmann
@musashimiyamoto586 3 ай бұрын
Hindsight serves nobody.
@redpillknowledge1578 3 ай бұрын
No they wouldn't like seriously lol😅😅
@tutor1989 3 ай бұрын
Why didn't they beat Villarreal then😂
@MrGts92 3 ай бұрын
I still think I could win the lottery if I know the numbers to be drawn beforehand
@Ananas-280 3 ай бұрын
Really? Now we're making a "if only something something then city wouldn't have won" scenarios? I still think if rodri played against chelsea then man city would have won the ucl, and if walker wasn't injured real Madrid wouldn't have made the comeback And if i was born a little earlier i would have discovered gravity
@dpdoescode 3 ай бұрын
If Alonso does end up wining the League, I would love to see if he can build upon it. Could be a change in the status quo and he could see it as "I can create a period of dominance" at Leverkusen, could go on and win more titles. Also sort of a free hit in the champions league next year with Leverkusen as they wouldn't be expected to win. If clubs are serious about him now, they should still be after one more year at BL.
@runrafarunthebestintheworld 3 ай бұрын
I don't think he's staying though once he wins the Bundesliga title.
@Kizzster 3 ай бұрын
If a big team comes calling you have to go especially with the lack of talent out there in management. If he stays the Liverpool, Bayern, Madrid jobs wouldn't be available anymore as Liverpool and Bayern probably go for alternatives if Xabi stays and the Madrid job Ancelotti would have a year left and could extend considering Madrid will have a super team and need an experienced manager to handle all of those big egos.
@dannyduggan4324 3 ай бұрын
@@Kizzster those jobs will come around again. Look at the Bayern job..changed hands many times recently. Tenures of managers aren't that long anymore.
@Kizzster 3 ай бұрын
@@dannyduggan4324 That's Bayern they play hot potato with managers every year. Which is why Xabi should avoid that club and go to Liverpool to actually chase his dream where he will be supported even if Liverpool finish top 4. For Leverkusen he would leave behind a great team and he saved them for relegation and got them in the europa league and will win them the league.
@dannyduggan4324 3 ай бұрын
@@Kizzster I don't disagree. Though before Klopp, Liverpool also had a run of a few managers in quick succession. Following Klopp is a tall order. He could feasibly stay, or take the bayern job and still manage liverpool in the future. Providing he still has some success. Guess depends if he has a great affinity for liverpool, real or bayern, from his playing days.
@rob776 3 ай бұрын
God, this discussion is so unbelievably disrespectful to Leverkusen, who gave him an opportunity.
@j.s3300 3 ай бұрын
Welcome to the world
@rob776 3 ай бұрын
@@j.s3300, bite me.
@A-se2ur 3 ай бұрын
When one is widowed from their spouse, the matchmakers come out of the woodwork instantaneously. See: Janice Soprano.
@haimainjauo242 3 ай бұрын
Why? How is THID discussion ON BAYERN's managerial situation unbelievably disrespectful to Leverkusen?
@deana3449 3 ай бұрын
I think his coaching path will follow that of his playing career in a similar type of order. Liverpool, Madrid and then Bayern. I feel at Liverpool he would be given more time by both the owners and the fans...I can see him spending 4-6 years there before moving onto Madrid. If he doesn't take the Liverpool job it could be a long time before he is offered it again if Klopps succour is successful. Due to the nature of both Bayern and Real, those jobs come around more frequently due to their historic lack of patience those clubs have with their coaches...which tends to last 3 years(minus Don Carlo!)
@mikeb3018 3 ай бұрын
Leverkusen must be thinking what is the point of even trying to compete. The media vultures circle as soon as there is a bit of success
@haimainjauo242 3 ай бұрын
Huh? What do you mean and how do 8 people agree
@Kizzster 3 ай бұрын
What he means is that whenever a team challenge Bayern their players get robbed by Bayern and this time it seems Bayern want Alonso and probably a few of his players too. @@haimainjauo242
@mikeb3018 3 ай бұрын
@@haimainjauo242 blimey 😂
@JuT11 3 ай бұрын
Wow that's crazy, you're telling me big clubs want to hire successful managers and players ? What has the world gone to ?!?
@abot786 3 ай бұрын
Alonso's family have connections with Barcelona (I think his dad played for them) and they need him more than anybody. I imagine that Madrid is his ultimate destination. I hope he snubs Bayern because that would that would be a double-whammy for Leverkusen fans (and he strikes me as being principled). Be interesting to see what happens.
@user-cr1iz8fw6h 3 ай бұрын
Plenty of principled guys have gone from rivals to Bayern lol. That’s how their league works.
@robertolopez1537 3 ай бұрын
His Dad did play for them, but he has better reasons to coach in Madrid or Real Sociedad. He's Basque and not Catalan, and he would be wise to stay away from Barcelona.
@guyfawkes3181 3 ай бұрын
Does anyone think Erik Ten Hag could be an option? He was Bayern’s B team manager when Pep was there and he has a yr left on his contract. Just a thought 🤔
@Kizzster 3 ай бұрын
Mourinho would be great for Bayern he hasn't managed in Germany yet and would relish the idea
@user-cr1iz8fw6h 3 ай бұрын
@@KizzsterBayern leadership would hate him. He’s a rebel, he’s anti establishment. Football royalty like Madrid and United only hired him when they were desperate and didn’t care about style. Bayern aren’t desperate😅
@NatalieLawrence 3 ай бұрын
I don't think Bayern Munich fully appreciate how big a rebuild they've got on their hands - both in terms of mindset and players. A rebuild needs time. Alonso's not dumb, he can see they didn't give Nagelsmann or Tuchel enough time. He can't look at the hierarchy and feel confident in them. Hero status means nothing. Bayern finish second - Alonso's out. By that time, Klopp could be free and Bayern will start fluttering their lashes at him. I don't agree with Honigstein that Liverpool closes doors. He's never expressed an interest in managing anyone else in England, so what English options did Honigstein think could be open to him? Arsenal? Manchester United? Manchester City? Rodgers and Hodgson managed other clubs after leaving Liverpool, Klopp would be in demand after his sabbatical. I think for Alonso, it's a straight fight between staying where he is and going to Liverpool.
@WillchurchSWE 3 ай бұрын
Surely the answer is obvious. Bayern need Klopp not Alonso and they should just put something in place to hold the fort till Klopp is ready.
@asruluveira 3 ай бұрын
I am not sure klopp have the balls to take Bayern job . my friend is a bvb fan. before he go to lfc he told me and my friend that Man Utd, barca and real madrid should forget about him because klopp will never go into a club that wanted result asap. esp man Utd who is desperate to win the league after lagging behind city. klopp will always go to s team with less pressure and demand, a team that will give him time.I can see xavi as Bayern manager and klopp at leverkusen.. I won't be surprise if klopp went to Italy to Milan or other less demanding club
@user-cr1iz8fw6h 3 ай бұрын
@@asruluveiraWell, United were just desperate for top 4 lol not the league even at that time. Liverpool was not an easy option. He could be a good match for Barca as well but he doesn’t seem like a guy that likes to work for heavyweights against the underdogs.
@asruluveira 3 ай бұрын
@@user-cr1iz8fw6h nope. it's cos he doesn't have the balls to go to result driven club. underdog team is an easy option cos he will have time to build and make excuses when he did not qualify for cl. so big team that need result/trophy like Madrid, barca,bayern will not be his destination
@robertolopez1537 3 ай бұрын
While i understand the media likes to spin these stories for engagement, it seems rather pre-mature to speculate Xabi will leave after two year's? He has a solid system, players that are ambitious/ listen, and a club that let him do what he needs. Why throw that all away when you're just getting started at Leverkusen?
@Lorenzo.xhamela 3 ай бұрын
Xabi would be perfect after klopp
@DIN_A8 3 ай бұрын
No … hell no. Right after Klopp is an impossible job, also the team is young and set for years. If you want Alonso and Liverpool to succeed, it will happen at some point, there has to be someone between them. Alonso need to build his own legacy. At the moment Liverpool needs someone with fire but less own ambitions, because Liverpool is so complete right now.
@Yoyo-sy5kl 3 ай бұрын
You say that but aside from Van Dijk, Salah and Trent we are very much Liverpool 2.0.@@DIN_A8
@Yoyo-sy5kl 3 ай бұрын
@@DIN_A8if he goes to bayern and doesnt get them playing well, then he throws his career down. They are willing to sack their long-term coaches for the smallest reason. What happened to the so-called genius before Tuchel?
@DIN_A8 3 ай бұрын
@@Yoyo-sy5kl he will not go to Bayern. I don‘t get your point?
@hoerstle6636 3 ай бұрын
I can't imagine Xabi changing to Bayern right away. Hi might come back to BuLi at some point, but I think he's respecting Bayer to much for the opportunity they gave him.
@marianchicago4002 3 ай бұрын
I think Klopp does take the Germany job after the Euros, he has spoken he does want to win the world cup for Germany, he's rounded out and becomed more of a possession coach last couple of years, which you need to be, especially for a national team like Germany. Considering how Germany has flamed out last couple tournaments, he can be viewed as a savior for turning things around. I think there also might be timing involved, Klopp is 56 right now, if someone takes the job and is successful, he might stay on for 2, 3 or even 4 international cycles, it might mean he won't get a chance to coach Germany until his late 60's, and lets be honest, that will probably be too late. Also Zidane has been waiting for the French job, Pep has said he wants to coach Spain at some point, this is the cycle to take over Germany's job and trying to strike big.
@matthewjackson3408 3 ай бұрын
Klopp not going back into management in till 2025
@asruluveira 3 ай бұрын
@@matthewjackson3408yep and he won't go to a result driven club like bayern, real or barca. he will go to a less demanding club that will give him time to rebuild. he knows that If he go to real and got sacked his legacy will be tarnish. objective people can see that what he done in lfc are not that special. 1 league win. should be compare with lcfc win. if people are being honest no way they will put klopp title run above Ranieri and lcfc.
@TankJr. 3 ай бұрын
No chance.
@matthewjackson3408 3 ай бұрын
@@asruluveira I'm his contract was in thr future Germany or bayern manger
@TheAtomjunky 3 ай бұрын
I hooe he stays in Leverkusen for another year
@TankJr. 3 ай бұрын
You keep hoping that...
@mae2309 3 ай бұрын
Xavi will go to Liverpool.. bigger and better club.. better players.. Liverpool is a one million opportunity. this one so much special why? becasue Xavi will inherit KLOPPS philosophy. klopps players. klopps Monster mentality. that is the best fortune a manager could get. Xavi will hit the lottery..
@nigl2807 3 ай бұрын
Alonso is a Liverpool fan and apparently brought his son up as a Liverpool fan fwiw
@SqueakyWeasel247 3 ай бұрын
Always good to hear from Rafa … read everything this guy writes!
@BigDome1 3 ай бұрын
If you love him so much why don't you just marry him?
@SqueakyWeasel247 3 ай бұрын
@@BigDome1 Wow, that's really funny … if you're a ten year old.
@BigDome1 3 ай бұрын
@@SqueakyWeasel247 takes one to know one!
@SqueakyWeasel247 3 ай бұрын
@@BigDome1 Nothing you say is relevant or funny. "big dome"??? Is that a knob joke? Grow up you immature child!
@jacobfield4848 3 ай бұрын
If Bayern do not win every single match then the coach is useless and needs to be sacked.= Insanity.
@j.s3300 3 ай бұрын
Tis why I think Alonso will choose Liverpool.
@godimready2go 3 ай бұрын
They have a 64% win rate under tuchel…. Not at the standard expected for Bayern
@erikschlangenauge7514 3 ай бұрын
@@asuhdude6668main reason for your opinion: it is a German club, be honest… besidesReal Madrid no club has reached more CL semis or finals…or scored as many goals in the CL competition although they started 13 years later as Real Madrid…oc their standard is very high, it is highest ranked football royality in Europe… all anglosaxon fanboys are only proud of foreign money, have German bloodline in their royal family, speak a indoGERMANIC language, are living in a country founded by two German tribes and are out of a nation with women and men combined 2titles while Germany has 17…but still that big mouth😢
@bigwave7207 3 ай бұрын
I don’t think you understand Bayern. It’s about winning but it’s mostly about playing ruthless attacking football, which Tuchel doesn’t do, so us fans hate him. He’s gotten away with it for months because they’ve won, but the cracks have been obvious and they’ve been lucky, up until now. It’s not about arrogance, it’s about winning and playing stylish football. Wanting to win doesn’t necessarily make one arrogant, it just means one has a competitive spirit.
@TyrionHoA 3 ай бұрын
It's not that. But if you lose the overwhelming majority of your big/important matches, only win the league because a direct rival epicly choked, and play as poorly as Bayern have despite having nearly 5x Leverkusen's wage budget but get destroyed by their 70% effort you should probably not be coaching Bayern Munich.
@imRehnzy 3 ай бұрын
Bayern on a rapid trajectory to becoming all the worst parts of Chelsea and Man United combined. There's no way Xabi goes there. He wouldn't disrespect Leverkusen like that. If he leaves, he goes abroad
@mrD66M 3 ай бұрын
Bloody hell, just imagine the financial might of Bayern under Jürgen Klopp
@asruluveira 3 ай бұрын
nah. I don't think klopp have the balls to go to a result driven club like Bayern, Madrid barca etc. he is the kind of manager that need time to build so I won't be surprise if he ends up in leverkusen or Italy.
@user-cr1iz8fw6h 3 ай бұрын
@@asruluveiraItaly would be fun.. He’d transform Italian football just like he did the PL.. but the guy has to learn a whole new language lol.
@bleachersking 3 ай бұрын
I do not think Alonso will move to Bayern afer this season. It is very disrespectful to Leverkusen if he does so. Perhaps either going to Liverpool first sounds best and later returning to Bayern.
@user-cr1iz8fw6h 3 ай бұрын
Lol Bayern will own anything that’s worth something to Leverkusen next season. Is this your first time watching football?😂
@nicholasroy2960 3 ай бұрын
16:33 or wait another year at Levurkusen and go to Real Madrid
@lancejohnson8388 3 ай бұрын
Mourinho to Bayern.
@mljh11 3 ай бұрын
I'm out of the loop on Tuchel, is he still considered a top tier manager or not?
@mikeb3018 3 ай бұрын
Not anymore after 2 sackings probably
@newrecruit100 3 ай бұрын
Most definitely. Carlo got sacked from Bayern and Napoli back to back. I find it hard to look at Tuchel as the cause of these underperformances
@user-cr1iz8fw6h 3 ай бұрын
He’s a good manager. I mean.. the guy won the UCL not long ago. Perhaps not the best league manager? Yet to be proven in a league that’s not won in easy mode.
@nonnayoubuzinnes1669 3 ай бұрын
@abzino9941 Exactly mate. Our fans always slobber over ex players. The scary thing is they'd all want Stevie G in had he stayed at Rangers. Alonso is the wrong fit.
@Kizzster 3 ай бұрын
Why would Alonso want to go to a club that plays hot potato with managers? The players Bayern have aren't even that good anymore I'd take Leverkusen players any day over those lot.
@user-pu1ds4gy4x 3 ай бұрын
He should stay in Leverkusen for one more season and alonso should avoid becoming the guy taking over klop
@hamidtusaddaq5013 3 ай бұрын
Ideally he would of loved to stay at Leverkusen for another season but the opportunity to manage Liverpool is to good to turn down for him after 6 or whatever years he will go Real Madrid, Bayern are lower down his pecking order even than Real Sociadad
@ac14cmpunk25 3 ай бұрын
Bayern will go all in for Alonso
@creativitycell 3 ай бұрын
No chance Alonso gonna leave Bundesliga Champions Leverkusen for Bayern! He"ll take Leverkusen into Champions League, defend Title. Bayern have zero chance! Madrud too early, but Liverpool adter Klopp a distinct possibility. But i think he'll stay at Leverkusen and take them into Champs League to see what they can do. Whose to say they cant win it! He has years ahead to manage Liverpool or/and Madrid! Then Spain! Smart Xabi move is to stay at Leverkusen another year and wet his managerial feet in Chanps League the massive responsibility of a Liverpool / Madrid.😮
@Ryan-ys2bq 3 ай бұрын
I’m from a Liverpool family but Xabi should stay another season and wait out Ancelotti for the Real job they are set up for a decade, if he fails at Liverpool which is really possible especially if Salah goes, VVD aging, Allissons injuries, TAA contract situation etc. then the Real job may not come again
@Team1Kareem 3 ай бұрын
Hala Madrid
@aam9216 3 ай бұрын
Typical English fans overrating an Okayish striker like Kane
@aposteriori421 2 ай бұрын
Anything is better than tuchel that little b
@jadmantoura4483 3 ай бұрын
Is Xabi Alonso even a top coach yet? Mikel Arteta has been at Arsenal for just over 4 years, been a coach for almost FOUR TIMES as long as Alonso, won 3 trophies (yes, the Community Shield is a trophy), and some people still don’t look at HIM as a top coach. I have every belief that Xabi Alonso WILL be a top coach, but he’s literally just started. He’s not there yet. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves purely based on his reputation.
@nonnayoubuzinnes1669 3 ай бұрын
I agree with you. I'm a Liverpool fan but I don't want Alonso anywhere near us.
@Lorenzo.xhamela 3 ай бұрын
Yes, look at the transformation of Leverkusen they were relegation candidates before he took over. Besides being statistically Superior to Arteta, the football they play is what is impressive and how he has drastically improved so many average players.
@jadmantoura4483 3 ай бұрын
@@Lorenzo.xhamela Mikel Arteta took over a side that has just recorded back to back 8th place finishes in the Premier League, had cliques and prima donnas in the dressing room who were shit stirring to the media, and had an executive/recruitment team that turned out to be a bunch of phoney charlatans. And let’s also not forget that he fought with a global pandemic in his first season as a coach. He got rid of the cancers, and (albeit gradually) turned Arsenal into a title challenging team that can compete against the likes of Jürgen Klopp and Pep Guardiola. This is Alonso’s first senior season in management, so the statistically superior argument really doesn’t hold any water at all, to be honest. What Xabi Alonso has done with Bayer Leverkusen is undoubtedly impressive and he should be lauded and respected for it. If he pulls this off, then he should be the Bundesliga Manager of the Year, but let’s not run before we can walk. He’s not this Messiah that everyone seems to be making him out to be. Not yet anyway.
@userjim83 3 ай бұрын
@@jadmantoura4483Arteta didn’t take a team that had just recorded back to back 8th placed finishes. He took over a team halfway thru the season and then had 2 8th place finishes.
@magentaurous4025 3 ай бұрын
@@jadmantoura4483👈 🤡
@runrafarunthebestintheworld 3 ай бұрын
Manchester United should defienitly get Tuchel now. 😅
@nonnayoubuzinnes1669 3 ай бұрын
He should stay at Leverkusen or go to Bayern. I don't want him at Liverpool. Could be a flash in the pan, he's devoid of any personality, and he'll be off to RM in any case once Carlo leaves.
@adenihunadewale9214 3 ай бұрын
Also don't think FSG would support him to compete with city,united, Chelsea
@abzino9941 3 ай бұрын
People are just riding the hype train klopp had done miracles at Liverpool no way alonso can ever replicate that
@John-se3fm 3 ай бұрын
Xabi shouldn't go Bayern. He would be betraying Leverkusen. Either stay there or go to Liverpool/a club outside Germany
@nonnayoubuzinnes1669 3 ай бұрын
@ac14cmpunk25 Great, then hopefully he stays there and enjoys it👍
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