Good to diversify your investment 😉

@@dababycar2899 Agreed

I think a good all around bullet for 1:7 is Mk262 but it's a little pricey, although I think it's worth it because it has good ballistics out of short and long barrels

I really want an FS2000 chambered for 30×06 but for now all I have is a 22.LR that i desperately need new ammo for. Sometimes i get scared the stuff i have is gonna get stuck in the barrel lol.

Many indoor and outdoor ranges don’t allow M855 so it sits around. Steel case or 55g for classes. 77g gives the best of both worlds, short barrel or long range even though it’s pricy. Ammo used in training is more valuable than stockpiling with zero experience

Don't oun a 9 mm. Will stock up on items that l will be able to use. Carried a 40 sw at my job, fell in love with it , won't change now.

A .22 Magnum revolver that can fire .22lr and .22 short is good utility piece for misc. found traded ammo. CCI is very good because they have good quality control of rimfire primers.

Nothing wrong with a .40, don't understand the negativity lately

I buy guns for the ammo I have

@@timgundlach1272 I think it’s because people think it’s a trans round.

Yeah that was subconscious psychological predictive programming propaganda. 😉

20mm HEAT that arms by rotation? There are 20mm semi auto and booties, but they make .50BMG seem like an economical lightweight option.

Lol 😂 just go with dragon breath roast while hunting

😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 😂

Right. That prosecutor literally out his own foot right in his mouth. U would think that a prosecuting attorney would be educated on the case he/she is working. The kid was defending himself and that comment the attorney made about falsely exploding cartridges is helping prove the self defense case on Kyle's behalf.

Mmmmm 20 gauge 3" mag reloads.. 28 pellets of #4B... That's my wife's go to 🤩🤩

Same except I do not like steel rounds

Same here, but .308 instead of 30.06, no 7.62x39 or 20 gauge. I buy xm193 in bulk, as well as .308 in 147 gr. Just got rid of .300 Blk, as I had a blackout round go through my .223 barrel. I sold the gun and ammo. That was a really lucky shot that I didn’t get hurt or killed. FN barrels are tough. Also have revolvers in .38,.357 and .44 magnum. They also need ammo!

Exactly add 40sw 45acp 10mm 300aac and 308win and that’s exactly what I stock up on haha

I stock most of those calibers as well

You're justafanboy🤪🤪

I see what you did there.

badum tiss

He's an articulate prepper

@@cvshav new channel? 'The Articulate Prepper'?

Gay

Not to mention peppy, lol! "Now HIT that subscribe button!!"

Running a KZfaq channel myself, I’ve said this about MP a few times. It’s incredible haha I do about 1 minute segments and edit them together. I could never do 15 mins off the dome!

Glad you found it useful!

You may be able to handle more with the right gun, assuming you have use of two arms. Is the issue weight, recoil, or both? .32 caliber revolvers with non magnum rounds offer minimal recoil, and substantially more power and reliability compared to rimfire. The Shield EZ 380 was designed to offer minimal recoil. If you are going to stick with 22, a revolver make more sense for the sake of reliability.

If you can afford the ammo, I suggest a Ruger 57. The velocities and ballistics are incredible. Very low recoil and the .27 grain will go right through level 3 soft armor.

22lr is very effective. I'm also disabled and recoil of most loads isn't tolerable. I choose a Ruger 10-22 for the job. Remember , the 22lr has been doing its job since 1887 from hunting and sport to Self defense. (Here come the Caliber war comments 🙄 )

Very common misconception 22 actually has more recoil than some other larger guns weight per velocity yada yada you’d be surprised nine mill may have less Kik than your particular pistol always consult an expert not me. FYI always get copper jacketed for pistols the lead tip can leave residue inside barrel possible catastrophic failures long-term. Pistols specifically rifles are another story.

For 308 I only really like bolt guns and the DPMS G2 Recon, the lightweight one. With the muzzle break you can buy with it it handles the same as an M4. Except in .308. Other AR-10 designs are just too heavy with too much recoil/muzzle rise for me. That muzzle break makes even that light gun have practically no recoil or flip. I love it.

If you live in the US, I would recomend having a rifle that fires 5.56/.223, just because it is the most common here. It would be easier to scrounge if need be.

Truly the best .22lr in my opinion.

That federal ammo from Walmart is a great deal for 325 rounds at $21!

I had a bunch of .22lr Remington a few years ago that was junk not put together good loose and falling apart outta the box. CCI is much better made.

Just got some 22 plinkster branded 'stangers'

I love the Velocitors!

In shortys ive heard the fiocci 40gr vmax and the 55gr tsx from barnes are good loads with a 10"-12.5 barrel

The accuracy difference changes depending on range as well. I havent personally confirmed but m855 is generally known to be more accurate at longer ranges, maybe 200yds+. Whereas m193 is more accurate at short range. This is somewhat or largely dependent in barrel and weapon also.

Isn't m855 steel core? And If that steel core isn't perfectly centered in the round it will cause accuracy issue from what iv heard..

@@shaunc5102 Yes! That’s exactly right, and that was also my biggest concern about ONLY stockpiling M855. I have a bunch of M855… but the vast majority of my stock pile is M193 specifically because of the accuracy difference

@@FirearmFanatic3006 i prefer the 55gr also

And I appreciate Takitcal Bakon

I only stock 250 rounds of M855, but I have several thousand of M193

That's exactly what I was going to say. M855 is more like sticking them with an icepick. However I do have at least one magazine of green tip painted green just in case I need to penetrate something.

why not every other round is opposite when you load mags lol

M855 has better performance at distance, but m193 will typically do better sans armor penetration within 100 yds

@@drtyhay M193 is better at the tumble effect on tissue it causes more damage M855 is not that great but if its all that is available in my area

You're welcome!

What do you mean by ice pick?

@cjgames001 So ice picking can be seen in one of three examples. Cavitation gel, ballistics gel, and use in the third world. Ice picking is what you commonly see called "the neck" in a ballistics gel test. It's the point where a projectile remains both stable and intact. M855 consistently has 6" or more of neck in both ballistics and cavitation gel. This translates to .22 caliber or smaller wound tracks passing right through half starved fighters doing little to no damage, keeping them in the fight longer. M855A1, by encapsulating both penetrators with what is essentially a light for weight fragmenting hollowpoint while the shape of both the penetrators encourages yaw upon separation, avoids the ice picking issue by not relying on yaw for terminal effect. At worst, you get 3" of neck. M193 is different than M855 because it's so low mass and high velocity, that it relies on fragmentation over yaw for wounding. This also makes M193 less effective in shorter barrels and out to longer ranges than M855A1. That being said, you consistently get 3" or less of neck. Now, if you're willing to spend a $1.20 a round in your stockpile, MK262 and most of its clones have consistent terminal ballistics within the effective range of the barrel you put it through. 77gr. OTM/boat tailled hollowpoints are just great at tearing up soft stuff with a consistent 2" of neck. There is the worry that MK262 can't penetrate armor, but realistically, M193, M855, and M855A1 can't defeat level 3+/SRT or level 4 plates either, so practice failure drills and pelvis shots. Barrier penetration may also seem to be an issue, but good barrier performance tends to go hand in hand with poor terminal performance outside of M855A1, so should be left in the hands of a crew serve weapon of higher caliber or volume of fire (your DMR, SAW with M855, or situation dependantly a GPMG). Moral of that story is your SHTF plan ought not be a lone wolf plan, but if it is, avoidance ought to be prioritized with terminal performance being massively important should you need to use your rifle.

@@brianzimmerman4837 Thank you for that detailed info! With that in mind is 5.56 a caliber that you would recommend for a multipurpose role as relates to say something like a patrol or infantry rifle? It seems like shot placement is what counts with most of the practical or available ammo types like (m193,m855,etc). Cheers!

@cjgames001 Sure thing. I'll break it down by different types of rounds and optimal barrel lengths. So common knowledge among gun nerds is that 5.56 gets its wounding from velocity. While this is mostly true, and most loads need to go at least 2300-2500fps when they reach the target to do significant damage, there are some quirks with different loads. Let's take M193 as the first example, it being the first chambering for the AR15 series of rifles. It's most effective at 0-300 meters from a 20" barrel. Keep in mind that the rate you lose velocity from chopping down a 5.56 barrel is parabolic, so you can expect relatively little loss in capability between 20"-16" (you lose about 50 meters) and slightly more between 16"-14.5 (you lose another 50 meters) down to a 10.5, where M193 essentially becomes a 50 meter cartridge if you want to maintain rifle wounding characteristics. I'm not saying you can't hurt something past that, but it's operating more like .22 mag from 50 meters onwards. Long story short, M193 is for your point blank range encounters (0-300) and is a great generalist round so long as you have a slower twist barrel that's 14.5" or longer. Moving forward in military history to M855, and you get a round that's excellent for barrier penetrarion. If you want a lot of cheap ammo that can punch through car doors and windshields accurately, M855 is your guy. If you're looking for a round that delivers reliable one shot stops outside of directly hitting the nervous system, look elsewhere. Like I said in my last comment, it was practically made for the SAW. The next step was the best step, in my opinion. Mk262 was designed in tandem with the SPR program, and because of that, it had a ton of input from SOCOM on what they needed and what it did. It's a more accurate round than almost anything else on the market and has insane terminal ballistics even at lower velocities around 2000fps. This extends its range out of most barrel lengths. While I would still avoid 10 inch barrels with it outside of sneezing distance, you realistically add 200 meters of effective terminal ballistics to any given barrel length. Special forces units took it out to 800m effectively and repeatedly in Afghanistan with 14"-20" barrels. It's great out of short barrels up close, and it's great out of longer barrels out further. It's M193 on steroids. The final step in 5.56's military story is M855A1. While it is a barrel burning, extractor chewing, chunker of a round, it's the happy medium between M193's terminal performance out to 300 meters in a 14.5, but with M855's barrier blindness and ability to buck wind. It loses out to Mk262 in three ways, though, effective range, terminal effect (which is exponentially greater from Mk262), and availability. As expensive as Mk262 is, Uncle Sam is holding almost all of the M855A1 and isn't surplusing any anytime soon. And unlike Mk262, other countries aren't cloning or using it, so there is no surplus from abroad either, unfortunately. From there you move into the civilian world of hunting and self defense where everything is a delicate balance of penetrarion and expansion. Bonded soft point can be absolute garbage for 2 legged predators if the projectile is too heavy or the round is moving too fast. FBI found a goldilocks zone for their round that hits an even 18" of penetrarion in their gel test from their short rifles. But it's hard to find a good clone or the ammo that they use. Hollowpoints also have a tendency to underpenetrate and expand unpredictably which isn't ideal for anything outside of varmint hunting. I could go on for a minute and in more detail, but I've hit the character limit for comments repeatedly, so imma cut it off here and leave room for any more questions.

@@brianzimmerman4837 You have to be the best single wealth of knowledge I've encountered in the comments! Thank you for your time and breaking that down for me to understand. As far as MK262 goes, is it the unicorn of the civilian market in terms of availability? Also, is there any clones of the MK262? Truth be told I'm just learning about this round now most of my "experience" is with m855. With this knowledge I'm thinking a diverse stockpile would make the most sense for SHTF. Thoughts?

Well thank you for that!

Nah just get a 10/22 lmao

Tippman arms m4 22 is probably the most fun rifle I own. $500 AR-15 chambered in 22 and I’ve never had a single malfunction which is insane for a .22

The TX 22 is a great gun to practice with. Don’t use Remington ammo in it unless you like clearing malfunctions.

That is an issue that's true.

And I could always use the 7.62x39.

You are right on!

223 makes more sense because you can shoot it out of a 5.56 barrel

12 gauge, come on. Versatility.

I'd add 7.62x51 for long range shooting, but yeah.

I said the same thing

I plan using 5.56 for in the house and .308 outdoors. So M193 is my choice and I stock plenty of 168 Hornady Black for when it’s really needed. I also have plenty of Lake City 147 gr in .308 for the range. 15:53

@@robertgoodrich8953 My main concern is in house. I live in a highly populated area. I don't need a stray going into my neighbors house.

Velocity does a lot. Xm193 will dent hardened steel at 100yds, where 168grain .308 doesn't even though the 308 spins the plate way better.

If you're running 1:7 twist I recommend Mk262 in general regardless of barrel weight

@@ClitoridectomyGroyper I believe MK308 mod 1 is superior. M855a1 too! Mk262 for distances past 400+.💜 I use Barnes 110 300 though as it’s heavily superior.

My thoughts; if we get to the point of bartering ammo, I would do it for another ammo. Period.

Those are quality calibers for sure.

@@SquidGunman There’s nothing on the North American continent that cannot be addressed in my opinion.

If your concern is body armor, go big. 300 Win, 338 Lapua, or change your shot placement.

You can get the m855a1, but it's extremely expensive and not practical to stockpile. It also wears your barrel out. For those reasons, not ideal for shtf.

Have you ever shot any? All Winchester 9 I’ve bought is garbage

@@ethanpfarr1998really? They are one of the most reputable ammo brands out there. Maybe it’s your storage conditions.

@@ethanpfarr1998I’ve never had a problem in the thousands of rounds of their cheapest Winchester white box bulk packs. Might be your storage conditions or maybe the condition of your firearm. If you’re shooting a striker fired gun make sure you don’t have a bunch of lube/dirt in your striker channel gumming up the firing pin etc.

Now, I've been joking on the comments tonight, but I do have to disagree with you. I would never buy a caliber that I couldn't use, unless it was for something that I was hoping for someday. If you might barter ammo someday, or not, get more of what you think you may not "need", but you could still use it if you "had to."

Do not trade ammo with random people stay with in your group if you have a person in your group who has a different caliber go ahead and get some. Trading outside your group is just arming someone who might use it against you

What's the rational for 1/8 over 1/9. Just curious

​@@skeet3301/8 will stabilize heavy bullets like 77 grains while not being too fast for lighter grain bullets. It's also the twist rate for the AK74.

The steel insert in 855 is never totally centered either reducing accuracy. M193 and the expensive ~77 grain stuff is the way to go. I only buy 855 when its cheapest option. It's obviously workable but not ideal imo.

@@Klaus293 LOL..sure you can Gomer....or just aim at the sky and hit 2500 yards.....REAL EFFECTIVE RANGE is 250 at best.

@@chadhaire1711 your just wrong!

@@mrspin3315 Go back to your airsoft toys Gomer....the 223 needs at least 2400 fps to be effective--at that speed or above it can tumble or break up on the target...below 2400 it stays in one piece.....3200 fps out of a 20 inch tube gives toy about 2450 at 250 yards.......go to a short barrel and commercial 223 ammo, you are talking about 150 yards.....I am just right...go troll somewhere else.

@@chadhaire1711 I've hit targets out to 400 yard's with 5.56!

You must mean the “Kenosha self defense”

Thanks Michael!

Green tip is garbage anyway 🤷‍♂️

@@misterfister7262 why u say that?

@@Smalltown-1776 I made a post about this in the comments just now, most modern body armor can stop 308 AP. So it's definitely gonna stop green tips. I recommend in my comment that people get their hands on hollow points in 5.56. because you'll need to shoot around the plate if someone had one. And the hollow point is really gonna ruin someone's day when it's hits them under the plate in the gut or groin, or in the neck, shoulder or leg. With body armor becoming better and more wide spread green tip (in my stupid layman's opinion) is becoming obsolete in most situations.

@@thecowboy8474 I’m hoping that several placed shots no matter plate or not will at the very least slow someone down. Yeah I knew GT’s won’t penetrate newer armor so hopefully I find some where soon I can practice shooting drills. Right now all I have is 2 ranges that u can’t even rapid fire at all let alone pull and fire from concealment or even OSW holsters. Sucks that training courses are so damn expensive.

@@Smalltown-1776 I totally feel that. Id suggest practicing drawing from concealment at home so you get the muscle memory and then use the fudd range for low ready drills.

Do not take this guys advice.

@@UScavredbull1 Why?

The things he is saying about the differences in .223 and 5.56. About penetration, ballistics, and there similarities is incorrect.

He said 62g is a better penetrator. WRONG. It cannot punch through armored plates. 55g can.

Pretty sure 1:7 is the most common..

@@misterfister7262 1:8 is actually the most common, 1:7 next, then 1:9.

@@misterfister7262 1:7 spins the lighter bullets TOO FAST and causes them to destabilize at distance. This rate is better for 68gr and UP. I guess you didn't know the original twist rate for Vietnam issue weapons was 1:12...just saying

@@Stonehombre1 1:7 is more common. 🤷‍♂️

@@Stonehombre1👎🏻

Thank you I appreciate it.

So true

Is now. I paid a guy for work with unobtainium .22lr at ten cents a round during the panic last year. Property taxes paid in digital fiat currency.

If I have enough time to handload 10,000 rounds of 9mm, come find me haha

I forgot about the 410, 20GA and the 12GA.

I can't wait to see what PSA is going to bring to the table with their steel case ammo!

@Darren Bates irrelevant. His buddies use it. Can't hurt to back them up with a crate or two.

@Darren Bates If the cheapest viable option to stock was 50BMG then that's what I would be stocking up on lol Plus 7.62x39 is an excellent middle of the road cartridge. It's effective enough for most tasks

If you can try baurnel brand. Store longer cause of lacquer. Plus they are normally with 10fps between cartridges

@Darren Bates 762 is cheaper than 556

Yeah he’s really cute you can tell he just found out about this stuff recently. 😊

Look at barrel twist rate more than length of barrel, 1 in 9 twist, look lighter, 1 in 7 twist check out what the heavier loads do coming out of your barrel. Try a little bit of various sizes and see what your barrel shoots best.

I wish I did so back in the day.

2008 - don't even need to go back that far for ammo deals. I picked up a case of 9mm FMJ name brand brass a month before COVID for $180 shipped, also a case of 5.56 FMJ federal brass for $280 shipped. 7.62 steelcase was under $200 a case then - $180 I think.

Good points. When stockpiling or grabbing ammo and going, the mission will likely be unclear regarding application. Which is why I go for the M855 over the M193 for the aspect of not being without when it comes to slightly more benefits. Thanks for the info!

Incorrect, M855 and 193 punch through level 3 at close range - seen tests that show this to be true. That said, you don't want to be wearing level 3 steel if you are up against 5.56/223 adversaries, good for 7.62x39, 308 FMJ, 12 gauge, and handgun though.

@@monkeymouse1403 I am correct. I've seen it and it's listed on various websites of AR500 armor level 3 plates. Level 3 will stop 5.56 M855/SS109 62 grain green tip

Don't be a target, and move quickly to cover. Infantry is half digging animal to survive fixed positions. Speed is life. Steel plates are acceptable as part of vehicle protection, but when dismounted, be quick and gone.

The spalling coming off of ar500 armor will kill faster than trying to put a bullet through it. And the end of the day, 99.99% of people who have bullets flying at them don't give a shit if they're wearing Gucci level IV armor, or no armor. They also don't give a shit if it's .22lr or .30-06 flying at them, they're going to put their head down.

I hope you're right Brad. This little crisis has some legs to it.

My shooting stockpile is a garage sale $50.00 case of 5000 .22lr Federal 510. Some Federal 710 bought when it was $8.99 per 500. It's okay to be old;-)

Make sure to have enough to make a weapon worthy in a fight. 12 magazines x 30 rounds, just in case of N. Korean Red Dawn. That's not "stockpiling", that's a bare minimum. PASGT helmet and Level3 vest you can move in (not steel plates) may give you a second chance.

@@pirate0jimmy I like your style!

"We don't decide when War comes to our basement." - Me probably

All of my firearms have a specific barrel length, it works for me. The weather does change, though, especially with the global warming. Those hurricanes mess up my numbers, and I don't think I'm allowed to shoot Polar Bears in Missouri yet.

Higher- because of the supply chain crunch and higher gasoline prices which will increase shipping charges.

I agree on higher. They'll eventually level if things ever improve.

300% higher.

Higher, in Dollars hours of labor, but cheaper in pm's if available.

Love your choices. Mine are almost identical. I also do 7.62X39 and 30-06 instead of 308.

@@SquidGunman whatever you got stack it up. Just gotta keep buying it slowly until it adds up in the long run

really the person would be insane in todays evioermemt

@@knnytitus Agreed! Only ammo I have bought in the last few years is 12 gauge buckshot. I found some for a very reasonable price. I would never pay these outrageous prices.

All of that is correct, however, in the situations he is referring to,none of that is going to matter. You are more likely to have to shoot through a chevy door or windshield at 50 ft than take a well placed 400 yd shot. You also will be shooting against.....things.....wearing.....stuff.

@@smokinC5 well congratulations... you just parroted the video content whereas I was bringing up new and varying viewpoints. It's called a discussion.

@@DDDontCare I feel your frustration with the content and its why folks who have a half assed grasp of how ammo works and only reads the data off of the back of boxes, and or thinks that NATO means its higher pressured really bother the shit outta me also. Yes .556 is higher pressure than .223 and its not ment to be shot in .223 chambered firearms but its the reverse for 762x51 and .308. 762x51 has lower chamber pressures than .308 because its ment to be used in a military set standard of use. Now .308 is a hunting cartrage which set specs are all over the place due to diffrent applications and game its used to take as to not destroy the meat. NATO specs are at the LOW end when it comes to 762x51 loading and .308 can have double if not 2.5x the chamber pressures of 762x51 nato loadings. Its why its said you can run 762x51 in a .308 chambered gun and be fine but to run .308 in a 762x51 chambered firearm can be dangerous cause of the extreme pressure loadings of .308 in a 762x51 chamber. Also the 9mm NATO is just slightly higher pressure than standard target ammo but still less than most self defense rounds you buy off the shelf. Folks that dont throughly reasearch topics they talk about like they are experts cause it just says NATO on the box are the ones that will get folks hurt or worse. BTW I agree m193 is more accurate and shoots flatter out to 400m than its GT counterpart but the effective range of both rounds are still almost the same and yes both will go through car doors and windshields with the same effect at close range (50" or less) but I rather take accuracy and speed with my .556 cause with that I get penetration. Cant get penetration when you loose accuracy.

This is why I stack both M193 and M855 50/50 on top of one another in my mags. Best of both worlds and I haven't noticed any difference in POI in ranges under 300 or less. 90% of combat situations happen at around the 50-150 yard range and getting hit with either of these rounds will ruin someone's day regardless of the PPE the target is wearing.

@@amerikhan8507you must have magic rifles. I have quite a few 16 and 18" AR-15s and do notice a fairly significant shift in POI between the two. M193 also chronos at 3200+ fps and M855 usually around 2950-ish. You're going to get quite the significant difference in drop past 200 m. Just plug the stats into any ballistic calculator to confirm. But I agree getting hit by either would ruin your day

bullshit.

@@chadhaire1711 Chad needs to do some research.... Numbers don't lie. 193 pens steel better than the fabled 855 at close range. I said better lol; it (193) penetrates and 855 does not....

@@bbppbb11 You have no clue what you are talking about----"personal testing" you read in some comic book---I spent years evaluating weapons and ammo. 193 explodes on steel plate. 855 also explodes but the penetrating tip stays solid and sticks in the metal.......it is the tip that punches through a helmet at 800 yards, NOT the projectile. Same with cement blocks. All of my results were done in front of witnesses and the results printed in numerous national gun publications......There are other tests done after me that match the results. You are in La la land Gomer.

@@chadhaire1711 Source; Trust me Bro? LMAO whatever dude. Better get out there some more all I can say. "Sticks in the steel" LMMFAO 🤡

@@bbppbb11 Documented in numerous publications that I WROTE dummy....and any time you want to come out of that fake troll name and keyboard, and bring your money to my local range to put them on target and your money where your mouth is, just step out from hiding Goober. We will see who LMFAO.