What Went Wrong for the Dallas Stars in the Western Conference Final?

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Ай бұрын

On today's episode, Joey uses Locked On Stars listeners comments and feedback to drive his conversation on what went wrong for the Dallas Stars in the Western Conference Final. The overwhelming majority pointed to special teams deserving the most blame for what happened against the Oilers. Joey lays out the numbers from the series on special teams, plus a trend the Stars should be concerned about with Pete DeBoer and his staff. We also discuss how many of the Stars best players such as Roope Hintz, Jason Robertson, Miro Heiskanen and more left much to be desired in the series. Connor McDavid alone had 10 points against Dallas and took control of the lost two games which finished off the Stars. In the final segment, Joey gives a nod to Joe Pavelski who plays on hanging up the skates after this season. Plus, the exciting future in Dallas with players like Mavrik Bourque and Lian Bichel who could be key contributors for years to come.
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@jjwiggs28 Ай бұрын

What a wonderful career, Pavs. Thanks for all the memories. Your leadership is immeasurable... Hat tip, Joe Pavelsky. 🌟

@LMG-yl3wy Ай бұрын

Thanks Joey, great analysis as always. Agree with all you said here, was weird that Pete, didn't change things up with Oilers, as he did in first two series. Curious, why? Just didn't make sense at the time, and of course now. Was interesting to hear Pete's history, thanks for diving deep and sharing. No way Pav's should have had more ice time than Benn, Sequin, Stankoven, Hintz etc. Placing the bigger slice of the blame pie on Pete makes sense.

@josephtylerdc9830 Ай бұрын

This team is close... They will be back!!! I think johnston is going to go off next season and its going to be really fun. The expectation is the cup now so im excited to see how they adjust the roster for next season to take it up another level. Lets go Stars !!

@josephtylerdc9830 Ай бұрын

@ScottStenlund-ys8iqThis is why the nhl is so exciting right now, it was an amazing season and even tho my team didn't win they had a great run like your team did in what I think is one of the most competitive seasons I can recall. There was and is so many teams capable of winning it all right now it's wild and exciting. Great time to be a hockey fan in general! Our teams may have lost but they have nothing to hang their heads about. Goodluck next season!

@texasred1077 Ай бұрын

Still gutted about the manner of the playoff exit but the future is bright. Excited to see more of Bourque next season and really hope management addresses the D core. Also, would be nice to bring in a PP specialist to fix that clunker of a showing. Too many talented players to have that level of failure…

@Mark-xl1ze Ай бұрын

I hope DeBoer's ceiling is not the conference final. If so, then he's not the answer if you want to win the Cup.

@kenmammel7748 Ай бұрын

I'm sticking with the coach. He's the best in the league.

@StephanJPerea Ай бұрын

As a VGK fan and having him as our former coach, it pains me to say he has reached his typical ceiling.

@Mark-xl1ze Ай бұрын

@@StephanJPerea I'm afraid you're right.

@BleedingBlackBlood69 Ай бұрын

Sharks 🦈 fan here….yall can keep Pete 🤣

@JC-pq4ul Ай бұрын

Two Western Conference finals in a row is a great accomplishment. Not what we wanted, this year for sure, but still great. Agree with both Special Team failures and "running out of gas!". Please no Suter or Hakenpaa next year. Build up a solid six on defense please.

@WrenchPilot250 Ай бұрын

This stuff is so much more complex than any stat or trend can bear. There were chances to score, but they didn’t because sometimes there was a goalie in the way, named Stuart Skinner, who everybody dismissed as a chump. Or maybe Robertson’s stick didn’t have the right flex or curve, or Hintz’ skates were tied too tightly. It’s probably not DeBoer, though. These days we always look for some trend or stat that maybe explains why our hearts are aching. But I’ll bet you could dig up some disturbing trend for any team that ever hoisted the cup, and yet they found a way to win. But my Oilers are going to the final now and maybe it’s my heart aching in three weeks’ time. And I’ll be the one looking for answers. So it goes. I really enjoyed you guys this series. Keep loving your team. We’re all going to miss Joe.

@Rarely_Aces Ай бұрын

Thx Joey. Impressed with your deep and thoughtful assessments on this channel throughout the playoffs. I agree with you and would only add that injuries of key players and coach's selection of certain inexperienced players to be on the ice at certain critical times was a factor. Suter, Pavelski, Delandria should never have been on special teams and they all hurt us in those specific situations. It also didn't help running into a very good Edmonton team that had a cake walk, in the first round against Kings and were fresher, healthier and deeper as a result. I think we need alternate strategies for OZ entry for deeper into playoffs. The chip & chase as a strategy worked well in Rnds 1&2 but Edmonton adapted to it and made us utterly ineffective with it, or sustaining any kind of OZ presence (except only when we turned the afterburners on and burned out the Fwd side of the bench). Let's see what we do in the draft.... we need more skilled puck-possession type of Fwds if we can find them. Hopefully our promising young crew continues upward but we need more Star Players to carry us deeper.

@JC-pq4ul Ай бұрын

Keep Duchene. Give him a chance to have a year without the struggles he went through. Agree on Suter!

@kenmammel7748 Ай бұрын

On your intro, no one deserves heat for not finishing. Everyone tried so hard. ❤

@StephanJPerea Ай бұрын

I just listened to your pod from yesterday and couldn’t believe how eerily similar the complaints you had were the exact ones we had when he was VGK’s coach. Unfortunately, I think DeBoer has reached his typical ceiling like he did with SJ, VGK and now the Stars.

@CA-sl2xw Ай бұрын

When are we going to get the full injury report?

@LockedOnStars Ай бұрын

Should be within the next couple of days. If you have not heard, you can check out Tanev's closing presser where he speaks on his ankle!

@Shadowwolf7774 Ай бұрын

I have been talking about this all year we do not have any player that wants to go hang out in front of the net. All year long we've been looking for the perfect pass instead of just shooting the puck to the net and go and get the rebound. We also have to play more physical and have a stronger FORECHECK!! Robertson is soft!

@OTBregularly Ай бұрын

Roope was a net monkey and ended up missing games because of it (post whistle checks to the spine that never got called). Robinson I wouldn’t say is soft but I will say he had some terrible turnovers. Now, Harley is softer than a frog belly. He constantly looked over his shoulder before getting a puck on the boards and was more concerned with dodging hits than puck control.

@bry94608 Ай бұрын

As a sharks fan that was rooting for the stars this year, this felt like any other of deboers seasons.

@johnwhitneykokalis9990 Ай бұрын

Pavelski helped to jettison Wyatt Johnsons career forward in such a way that his development as a player has increased a lot more than most players at his age. My hats off, to the Pavs.

@Uniquegoalhorns Ай бұрын

Change is really hard but the stars gotta do what they need to do to win a cup hopefully they draft or trade for some good players next year until then GO STARS

@jaredhiller Ай бұрын

We need a physical defense and a goalie who can step it up in the playoffs in the important situations

@stefaniverson2739 Ай бұрын

A combination of Dallas refusing to adapt the PP and Edmonton having a (let’s be honest with ourselves) legendary PK was the difference. If they scored even 3 or 4 PP goals they may have at least had a game 7 to play.

@Carrion55 Ай бұрын

Yep, some coaching mistakes as well as a defense that needs a piece or two to be a cup winner. That special teams collapse was insane to watch.

@Allison193 Ай бұрын

Otter was a really good goalie this season im hoping he stays with dallas

@seiver1088 Ай бұрын

Literally special teams. Stars score just 20% on PP they beat the Oilers in 4

@ipwnreviewer Ай бұрын

Oilers turned a corner this year in terms of playoff hockey, I think it's good for players and teams to take responsibility no matter what when they fail, but I think both Vancouver and Dallas fans miss the mark in the analysis. When the top players of Edmonton are playing their best, they are the best players in the world, and there's not really much that other teams can do. When other teams have success, it's Edmonton choking in some way - and the Oilers choke often, and fans of other teams feel like the dynamic is reversed from reality IMO. We don't look at the teams that lost to Gretzky as 'failing', and I think if the Oilers can manage to keep most of their players, this era will be viewed similarly.

@derekbolander7883 Ай бұрын

Great cast

@stevecrump200 Ай бұрын

Pavelski should have been sat at least 1 game. Stars problem was lack of scoring. They lost board battles, rarely crashed the net, and had poor starts to series and games. De Boer has a soft coaching style. Getting bad at reporters is misdirected anger. He should and need to be more forced accountability after poor efforts. Edmonton coach scratched 3 players after they lost and went down 2-1. They tried bigger, it isn't the league trend. FL will pummel the Oil because that's their game. The Stars have to be more physically dominant. Roope, Robertson, others have plenty of size.

@Nunya_BizNess Ай бұрын

If Pavs and Hintz had the playoff results they had last year, this year, we would have won.

@Rickeyspaniish Ай бұрын

As much as I liked Dutchy this season I think we should move on from him was almost a ghost in every series need to upgrade there. I know stamkos is available not sure if we could get him on a TEAM friendly deal.

@josephtylerdc9830 Ай бұрын

Some have to go for some changes and in my head looking at the roster he just doesn't make the cut. That's no disrespect to him either the roster is very good it just needs a few minor upgrades. Some more grit size and speed is required here to help us get over the hump I think. Duchene.. sutter.. Pavs to start.. there will be others that need to be replaced too but we will see what happens. It's been a great and emotional season but unless they want the same sad ending it must be upgraded. The league is loaded right now. Making it this far in the league right now is not an easy task or accomplishment. Conference final 2 years in a row... going backward would be really sad at this point. Let's go stars!!

@Shadowwolf7774 Ай бұрын

Let's not forget Joe scored 4 goals last year in the playoffs and we still lost! We love you Captain America!! God bless you and your family!

@AmpsTV Ай бұрын

same as last year went wrong the entire team put on the invisibility cloak

@dansnyder9102 Ай бұрын

Great take Joe. IMO, the collapse is on Deboer. No adjustments. Out coached and paid for it. Not optimistic about next year if Deboer stays. He hasnt learned after losing 5 Western Con finals. The numbers dont lie. Time for Deboer to move on!!

@23jlmart Ай бұрын

The Stars are very inconsistent. They can play so good on certain days and then turn around and look mediocre. Plus, they don’t have that killer attitude. You really don’t know what we’re going to see on a given night. Frustrating!!! They had a great team this year and shit the bed. These seasons don’t come around often and they play playoff games like regular season games. MHO.🤷‍♂️

@randyh3839 Ай бұрын

Kris Knoblach deserves most of the credit, his adjustments after game 3 made all the difference. Inserting Broberg for Desharnais really upgraded the Oilers speed on D. Dallas isn’t a very physical team so Desharmais size wasn’t needed. The Oilers also figured out the Stars long pass breakout that burned them repeatedly in game 3.

@bobbygalloway9793 Ай бұрын

Write whatever the fuck you want

@ryans413 Ай бұрын

We going to say the Stars lost because of injuries and tiredness. Just admit you got beat by a better team. Edmonton also had injuries and illness during the Vancouver series and they still found a way to win.

@poetryporn9675 Ай бұрын

Not a better team but their best players showed up and ours didn’t. The depth was even but too many appearances of Johnston and Stankhoven while the top pair of Robo and Hintz continue to be mostly invisible along with a goalie who may not be that dude. The least said about the incredulous ineptitude to be supreme on home ice and game 1s the better.

@crotalon Ай бұрын

Also they didn't have to go 7 and 6 against Vegas and Colorado. They had the chance to eliminate both 1 game earlier. This team just lacks a killer instinct

@leedag5089 Ай бұрын

Game 6 was the most important game of the series and the Oilers got dominated for 60 minutes. The first round they played a backup goalie, the second round they played a....backup goalie. Then they play the stars, first two games no roope. Edmonton isn't the better team. If you can't admit that edmonton had an easier run then there's no helping you. Enjoy watching the panthers lift the cup

@NP-co7kj Ай бұрын

@@leedag5089 So much anger! Our goaltending was better, PK was 100% and PP was excellent. Your goaltending was not very good and your defenders looked like pylons sometimes. Your team outplayed us badly 5 on 5 in game 6 but Edmonton kept your players to the outside, so the shot count was a little misleading. If you can't admit that Edmonton has the deeper and superior team, then there's no helping you.

@ryans413 Ай бұрын

@@leedag5089 I’m being a realist Edmonton did not have a good round two almost got beat by Silovs give that guy some credit but even when tired and sick they had a flu bug go through that locker room they still found away to over come the Canucks and win. The Stars just fell flat yea it could have been injuries and tiredness but the Oilers were just as I injured and tired and battled through it. To sit here and say Edmonton had the easier route is BS talk. There is no easy route in the playoffs.

@toedrag-release Ай бұрын

What went wrong? Skinner came out to play.

@airhead3333 Ай бұрын

I don't agree that Dallas is the better team on paper. Edmonton was the best team in the entire league from the day Knoblauch took over. I don't believe there is a better team in the NHL right now and that is why the Oilers are about to win the Stanley Cup.

@Thraith Ай бұрын

Edmonton has been the best team in the league since November but just a hair shy of them are the Panthers. The stats are Edm being number one but just barely above Florida. That's why they are in the finals.

@bluethunder1951 Ай бұрын

Imo, nothing went wrong, the Oilers had already won the series before it even started, the Stars just didn’t know it. Like I said from the beginning Oilers in 6.

@Mark-xl1ze Ай бұрын

Really......

@Mark-xl1ze Ай бұрын

Also, why are they such a bad home playoff team? 4-6 at home in the playoffs and 0-3 in Game 1s. That's not acceptable. You work hard all regular season to get home-ice advantage only to throw it away? Pathetic.

@LockedOnStars Ай бұрын

That's a great point as well. You could make the case we may have pushed some guys hard in the final month or so to get home ice just to squander it quickly in each series.

@Mark-xl1ze Ай бұрын

@@LockedOnStars See... he didn't need to push the top guys if he felt they had so much depth on the roster.

@jakewinship6347 Ай бұрын

one of your worst episodes.

@johnlongo200 Ай бұрын

Joe busted his ass the entire time he was here. Our leaders Benn who has to go Sequin who has to go Hinz Roberston 95 Dadonov all dissappear when all they had to do is attack down the middle of the ice clock up the middle and attack the net for FUCK SAKES!!!!!!! This team needs a sports psychologist on staff!!