Games are meant to be played. I know, no shit Sherlock ! But trust me, it's especially true with Yoko Taro games (Drakengard and NieR). Those games stories can't be dissociated from the medium of video games because they are aware of the player in ways I haven't seen many other games being. Not only with 4th wall breaks, but mainly by making the player a core part of the message Yoko Taro wants to send. The game's narrative isn't important, the designer's narrative is. Damn... And now I feel like I'm making even less sense...

This is the power of Yoko Taro

lol, sums it up

It's awesome

I can only say that you are an idiot or need to actually play the games and then things won't be confusing at all. I hope the latter is the case. Really, they're not that difficult. If you've gotten through even a year of college the Nier/Drakengaard games are nothing.

Malcom Alexander i love that man with all my heart

oh... poor little weirdo

he reminds me of sorachi hideaki which never showed his face

Weeb Buckethead

Sinamon roll.

Thesaurus called and she wants her words back

Perfect. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Perhaps you shouldn't think so hard, and fishing is your sport. Nier A, Nier G, or any of the Drakengaard games, despite their brilliance, are not that difficult to comprehend. Stop acting like it's some monumental achievement, when it is simple metaphor.

Ironic considering that this game as George said, shat on Sartre

@@cmillertime7477 I t w a s a j o k e

@Harold Jenkins why tho? :3

Whats a leppo

Nier means "deny" in french.

Was that a Spoony reference by accident or by intent?

Nier is dutch for kidney. So there you go.

is a cutting edge marketing scheme.

Kingdom hearts didn't have the sexy androids to make up for all the effort it takes to make any sense of the story

Well, 4 months late, but it's really showing the intructions on how to get Ending B. When I first got Ending A, I actually thought I got Ending B, because the endings in the original NieR don't have titles like in Drakengard or NieR: Automata, so nothing except this screen was shown.

Play the game

Cyten I did it's aight I liked it

exactly

That's it, that's the game

Or just experience it thoroughly instead of getting second hand information and theories by reading The Dark Id's LPs of all the games on lparchive

RRRadish right, but that requires owning a ps2, PS3 and a Xbox 360

David Kohn he's saying someone already has absolutely everything already laid out online. Direct from the source presumably.

arithine oh, I read that wrong then, gonna look that up when I get home then

Those read like crappy fanfiction written by a 13 year old and should be avoided at all costs.

Yeah after watching Clemps' analysis I highly agree. No offense to George, but he just skipped little too much...

To be fair George did a good job at having a quick skim through the game/series. Clemps just does a better job and in-depth coverage.

Popcioslav - He also got things wrong. Only a minute and a half in and he spread the misconception of Daddy Nier being a "localization change." In reality Japan got both versions.

And if you REALLY want to get in-depth and know everything that's going on, especially with Drakengard itself, hop on over to the LP Archive and check out the series of LP's done by TheDarkId. He goes into EVERYTHING there is up to the point that he did said playthroughs, and it's actually really, really good.

I second this

Kinky Sketch Therefore, we must be the opposite of killing: gnodab.

Thank you Chosen One

Killing is wrong and bad. Killing is *wrad*

Killing is badong... but everyone loves 2B's badonkadonk.

Stream that film, if you're so great!

I watched those videos. He still thinks shit like "xD Triggered" is funny. I'm glad I watched the videos because the series is actually pretty interesting, but Clemps is one of the most infantile people I've ever seen.

It's mistakes like this which are why I'm making the bold decision of unsubbing from SuperBunnyHop.

But seeing you triggered by his use of it IS pretty funny.

hassanico9999 That's not what triggered means.

i dont fuck w gamergaters lmao

John Green Is that a reference to a youtube animator? And why it's there?

defeating a sandwich... only makes it tastier

Sara Bennett I beat the shit out of a Jill Sandwich once. No meal since then has tasted half as scrumptious.

Now I get it.

This guy gets it.

Just the concept of the "bad guys" is disingenuous at best, a way to make things easier when some of our ambitions begin to get questionable. It. ay seem that we made our lifes easier with wisdom and technology, but it really is the same for everyone all the time, I think that's the human condition. But that's why we can always strive to be better.

Tbh I had revisit this just to say this game is really legendary

@@michaeljefferson7316 it really is. One of the best pieces of philosophy despite not being a book in the past 100 years.

So: 360 (All): Father Nier PS3 (JP): Brother Nier PS3 (US): Father Nier Correct?

Stanley Yup

Yep. Brother Nier was made exclusively for JP audiences.

Or simply: 360: NieR Gestalt, PS3 EU: NieR Gestalt, PS3 JP: NieR Replicant

Even the JP 360 version was in Engish with japanese subs. So there's no such thing as a japanese Papa Nier VA which is a damn shame

High Impact Sexual Violence Same question here and i would love an explaination, because it is honestly far too often the case, imo.

They love using English and Germanic/Nordic inspired words/phrases/concepts to a set a person, name, place, etc, apart from anything else in their media (this is to avoid using super mundane names that permeate Japanese culture noticeably more than it is in the West). It's also a fetish thing, since they often sound "exotic" and "cool." It's a similar thing of how people in the United States use bullshit medieval fantasy names in stuff akin to Game of Thrones (but not in GoT specifically), or with the use of non-Anglo-Germanic names in media. East and West love doing this, but I think the Japanese go for Anglo-Germanic stuff because it's the exotic thing that they're most familiar with.

Grimoir Weiss (German for white) and Grimoir Noir (French for black) are obviously meant to represent opposites.

DAHAXGUY That's a great explanation, thanks. What makes it hilarious is that they tend to completely butcher the pronounciations.

I guess it's not completely restricted to japanese media either. As I'm typing this, I'm actually watching 3% on Netflix, which uses german words as its episode names.

thats interesting but I wonder if it isnt just a coincidence. The reason for the Gestalt game has to do with NaCl, just salt. I forget what the GE part stands for but I think it has to do with the naming of the replicants, its hard to remember all the details perfectly even though I just read this stuff yesterday. But it would be an extraordinary thing to have both a german root word to a philosophical concept that also relates to the latin root for the scientific meaning behind salt. The guy might be a genius but thats just... too much. So it would also be referring to the master race, or original race of humans? Id rule this is one of those things were because theres already so many patterns in the games inherently in the way he makes them, and how good people are on pattern recognition, that this is no more than seeing a pattern that doesnt exist. Although it could have meta reasons for why those words were named the way they were in the first place and how they relate to each other, like salt being synonymous with purity and it has properties to clean things, kill diseases, and provide a life sustaining mineral.... Sry I think I went to long, and im just assuming what you meant in your original comment and wern't just stating an interesting fact.

@@nickmagrick7702 I honestly think the prior comment was just about the german word Gestalt, which fits really well into the whole 'create replicas' scenario, since Gestalt can mean many things. It translates to 'person', as well as 'silhouette', 'body', and 'form'. It is a word often used in art, as well as to describe something you don't fully understand, and sounds like it fits very well with the project Popola and Devola were leading. That being said, I didn't know anything of this salt reference you were talking about, and I only played Nier: Automata so far. So thanks for that extra bit of knowledge. I always wondered what Project Gestalt was all about, since it got referenced in the third playthrough of N:A. Needless to say, seeing both a Devola and a Popola in this video is very intriguing.

@Lain weren't there several Devolas and Popolas actoss the world? That's what they said in Nier: Automata at least. About how unfair it was that all models had to feel guilty because of the few who did wrong.

@@patrickholzer6415 Correct, there were many Devola and Popola models, always in a pair. The ones from NieR are the ones who ruined Project Gestalt (according to Automata). Devola was killed by Nier and Popola used a suicide attack to try to kill Nier, but could only destroy Emil's body due to his sacrifice. The ones in Automata are different ones who still suffer the consequences of the other pair's actions. All Devola and Popola models are blamed for the actions of the ones from NieR.

It was similar to me, but after playing Nier gestalt, Automata went to the second place and Gestalt obtained the first place by far

link

we're waiting

oh same actually

I... want a link... please

I don't know how to feel about that... or about the Hideyoshi Ruby... but mostly the doujin.

in fact if you want to learn more just go watch his GDC talk, it's pretty interesting. but to explain, it's more like "what can you not do in a game, do that" like for instance every time you died, the game shut off, and you couldn't play it again. That sounds awful, but what if you put it in a horror game. What if you put it in a horror game where there were zero cheap deaths and very little danger, but you never told the player this. What if you made the game free to play and made the continues only a couple dollars or so. that's what hes getting at. What can we not do and doing just that is going to make the greatest impact on games. it might suck, or if you're clever and make the issues work for you it might be the most amazing new thing ever. Hell imagine if Resident evil 1 was made today. Do you think they'd make it impossible to see around some corners, I doubt it.

Well as long as the front of that push is captained by 2B's big beautiful butt I'll accept anything he wants to push.

"What if you made the game free to play and made the continues only a couple dollars or so." literally let it die

A near miss means you didn't miss, I like the pun but it doesn't work.

Pepe Roni Yeah, you're right. I realized that at some point after the fact. Should've restructured it :P

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh thumb up

You win the internet today

stop it

ew275x No, i wouldn't say so, because his series requires so much more time than this. And this is fairly good as an overview if you only want a synopsis. So they both have their purpose, imo.

+Hans Peter, While he does bring up good points (why do shades turn into lizard bosses) and gives an overview, I am more confused after watching it ratehr than Clemps's video.

Nah, I really appreciate his analysis about it, rather than a long infodump that is just confusing for an outsider.

If you've already seen clemps videos how are you able to make any determination on the quality of this one? You aren't the target audience you can't really make a statement like that.

+woa wh Yes, I didn't watch this video (I did). I just said it might be redundant and confusing compared to Clemps's videos which makes it obsolete in that there's a better video with the same aims alreayd out there. It's still a fine video. Also are you guys are taking my comments where I refer to a person as Louis CK a little bit too seriously.

01animeking wait, is that real? I can't fucking wait!

yep, news just came out

Just heard so myself. Never gotten this hard so quickly

17th of... this month? HMM. The question then, is do I get it earlier and also have it over Spring break, or do I wait and get shorter loading times? Platinum, why must you force such choices upon me?

Already finished the ps4 version. Seriously considering a double dip. I never even consider that a thing to do. This is some special stuff.

That dude doesn't make videos anymore tho

He absolutely still does, just not on youtube after being totally turned off by how quickly and easily KZfaq shut down his channel, took down videos, and sided with take-downs that were not legitimate, as well as outright suspending his entire account and demonizing everything. He felt that he was putting in a lot of love, care, and effort into youtube stuff whereas KZfaq itself could give a shit less about it. This bit is just my interpretation but, I also feel like depression, personal issues, a unique personality, a pretty serious addiction, and a feeling of contempt for his 'fans' just turned him off of making that kind of content at all. He wasn't having fun, so he stopped. It's a HUGE fucking loss to the youtube community as a whole, but also for the anime community, who lost an amazingly unique, hilarious, passionate, and honest powerful voice. You can find him on Twitter and TwitchTV however.

Think he is referring to his drinking problems. Almost every stream he does (been pretty active lately since Nier:Tomato Came out) he gets drunk or is drunk from the very start. In his latest stream tho i heard him say hes been trying to lay off the drink, but that was only like a week.

WHere are his videos now? I'm curious to discover alternatives to KZfaq but haven't had the time to really find them lately.

hes still on youtube, so you can see him there, or on his facebook group i think!

I played this game years ago after watching the "classic game room" review, and I friggin loved it. I recently started Nier automata (also a great game) because I liked the original so much. Now I'm reading about all of the negative criticism the original got when it came out and its kind of blowing my mind. I vaguely remember a few parts of Nier being frustrating, and it took a while to get into the story, but overall I remember this being a freaking awesome game. Also, a lot of the stuff critics are praising automata for were done in the original as well (well written characters, intellectually and emotionally engaging story, variety of gameplay styles). The dismissal of the first Nier game by people who love automata doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean, it isn't perfect (no game is), but it is unique, fun, and has a giant boss made out of boom boxes...

Might as well bust out the alcohol, cause we aren't gonna make it through otherwise.

PCP 101. How we feelin'?

I've read primary school short stories with more direction and less plot holes than the adventures of emo boy and micky mouse. The video could be an hour long and it still wouldn't make any sense.

I don't understand why people think Kingdom Hearts is complicated. Each game has a really simple story and the lore mostly nonexistent. They even have these little wiki-style journals which cover basically everything you need to know in each game. This is starting to feel like a meme.

+JimJamBanx The protagonists act like hyperactive children most of the time. Even some of the villains have a lot charisma and charm to them. Calling them emo makes it sound like you heard just about this series in passing in the youtube comments and decided to trash it because it doesn't appeal to you. You could easily explain the story in under five minutes.

ESCALATION BABY XXDDD

Checked a bit of his stuff out. Seems pretty good. Thanks for the recommendation. My post was more trying to highlight that he was miscredited in the description, but that seems to have been fixed now.

I disagree. Nier and Shadowlord are both justified, but Nier is absolutely the evil one. The entire game is about how being selfish and short-sighted, giving into emotional whims and not being able to let go is the cause of all woes. Nier in particular is evil because he embodies the specific faults of all of the game's vignettes (Gideon, Lighthouse Woman, Boat Shade, Kainé's revenge, Emil's wanderlust and Popo/Devo's wish that one of the many replicant Niers will succeed) and combines them into the ultimate transgression. He dooms humanity for the sake of his own wants and needs. Not for Yonah, but for himself. He *says* it's for Yonah, but the game is letting him gaslight you the entire time while pointing to all these other people doing the same thing, and fucking everything up. Nier is the biggest monster in the Yokoverse beside Kami and yet, he is completely relatable. It's pretty great. I hate his guts and wish he never got his way.

Not quite. If Shadowlord had succeeded this time around (there's heavy implication this has happened multiple times before), then there would have been enough time for the androids to solve the issues with the Gestalt program and save humanity. Nier's victory, however, dooms them to continue the slow slide towards extinction despite the successes of the android monitors in other areas. The final trick up their sleeve was using the Tree(s) of Dreams to store all the memories and genetic information of humanity, but those ended up being amalgamated into the machine consciousness near the end of Automata, IIRC? Or maybe in the Nier Replicant re-release DLC with Kainé?

well the dad version was the Xbox one though, which is more of a western console compared to the Playstation. Probably made for the people who enjoy their more western games on Xbox.

But, you can get Gestalt on PlayStation as well.

Never wondered why the West only got the one with the father?

@@golDroger88 "Because Yoko think that Westerns don't like a young boy Japanese character"

my poor bank account

Isn't it great though? I just recently finished it

Go play the Original, it's not as bad as George (and many others sadly) makes it out to be.

Joe1up awwww jeeezzzeeee daddy, i dunno, tho those shades seems very angry

Wubalubbadubdub!

You mean Rick Sanchez looking like him?

The fuck? No he doesn't.

V HAS COME TO Why not? And yes I know Nier came first.

No it’s weiss in french

@@xanubisabysse3113 are you high? white in french is "blanc"

@@deltahat2625 in the french version of the game the name of the book is Weiss and yes i'm high

@@xanubisabysse3113 lmfao "and yes i'm high"

Yeah, it's boring action game with a good story...sometimes

Grinding is not optional when you revisit areas though

Except for the part when you have to grind to get all of the weapons in order to obtain ending c.

@Deborah Meltrozo Sorry, but 5 lengthy fetch quests and almost 130,000g in purchasable weapons is a little much. Especially when you're the kind of guy who just purchases the best weapon you can get and sticks with that weapon until the end, not buying any others because you already got the best one. Plus, grinding for money is also a huge pain. I like the Junkheap and all, but when you are constantly going back and forth between there and other shops just to buy a weapon that you're not even going to use is a massive drag.

​@Deborah Meltrozo I hardly did any of the side quests, because they were so boring. So I had to do all of the weapons quests in one sitting. Plus, not doing any of the side quests meant that I was lacking the funds to buy weapons. And because I just hated the quests in the game, my means of getting the funds for weapons came from collecting and selling materials from the Junkheap. That was my situation. Basically it was just grind central. If the side quests were actually interesting and worthwhile (like Automata) I probably would not have been in that situation.

@Deborah Meltrozo I've played the game three times now and it has always gone the way that I described. I really only love the game for the story and that's really about it. It's kind of like watching a movie for me. So having to collect all of the weapons before the actual end of the story is really why I would describe it as a massive drag.

It will make sense after 24 strait hours of research don't worry

Yeah it's sad. Yoko Taro is a genius to be honest and this game is an underrated gem.

Panah One game in the series had to do it one way or another. I'll welcome more fans in whatever way they come. The thing that annoys me more are the people who don't know anything about Yoko Taro, and who feel the need to critique the series all of a sudden by comparing it to the standards of the more mainstream videogame series. People can have their own opinions, but laughing about the jank, and enjoying the weirdness has always been part of the charm.

It's more along the lines that Yoko Taro is only getting success because he now has AAA backing as opposed to before where his games might've not been the best but his story and characters were excellent. Basically Nier should've gotten recognition well before hand.

@StaySkeptic It's a bad thing because the novelty of a series being a "cult hit" or a "cult classic" loses that air of being interesting and it encourages bad behavior on the part of the developers. Look at Dark Souls, Dark Souls 1 was a cult hit, 2 became more streamlined for a mainstream audience, and now we have Dark Souls 3 which is more akin to Bloodborne than it is a Dark Souls game, and I'm not hating on Dark Souls, They're some of my favorite games ever, it's just an example of what mainstream appeal can do to a franchise that's roots originally sat in a playerbase that loved a game for it's uniqueness, Mass appeal kills ingenuity. And it's disheartening when you're a person that's played NIER since it's orignal release, and kept up to date on the Drakengard series since it's original release. Only to see massive crowds of people pile into the group of people who like these games only because "I saw Platinum is making the sequel" It's a kind of we were here first scenario and it underplays the greatness of NIER and it's spinoffs when people only realize how "good" it is because Platinum happened to be developing the newest game. I'm not saying you're a bad person for being slow on the uptake or anything, all I'm saying is. It leaves a severely bad taste in my mouth when I see something gain mass appeal, because it almost always leads to bad things.

Panah Well, I wouldn't worry to much about Nier automata becoming super popular and mainstream. Platinum isn't terribly popular themselves you know. They are still in niche territory. NieR has only crawled out of the "completely unknown to the majority of gamers" status.

And there is nothing wrong with that :D

george is one ofthose people thats somehow convinced himself that if it isnt battlefield levels of realistic its not supposed to be serious. All hes doing is limiting the things he can enjoy and its stupid

Oh yeah I wasn't calling him a pervert to insult him lol.

To add to what I said, Taro confirmed in a recent interview that the games he makes are exactly the games that he wants to make. But something tells me people are more likely to listen to SBH's misconception than the words of the creator because the whole "frustrated artist who hates his job and adds FUCK YOUs to his bosses" thing is more appealing to cynical people. You can earnestly portray violence as both visually appealing and thematically negative. Look at Gundam, it made a fortune out of that very contradiction: WAR IS HELL themes, but with cool-ass robots designed to make you want to buy toys. There's nothing wrong with that, the entire point of a lot of art is to frame everything in a beautiful affirming way - even tragic things.

Does George even take Battlefield seriously?

Aww, Spoony. I miss watchin him, that Ultima series was great. I wonder what he's been up to? After checking, I guess now he just spends every day tweeting about pro wrestling and Trump conspiracies? 1300 tweets just for February alone, damn... Looks like he hasn't made a real video in over 2 years... And still gets a thousand dollars a month on Patreon?! Man, what the hell happened to him?

He got involved with the 'Games are political' crowd.

*sigh* I really miss Spoony. He made quality videos.

we all do

He's talking about the fact that you're actually lost starting Nier without playing most of the Drakenguard series for its setup. Then, Nier only partially prepares you for Nier: A. It's a convoluted, yet gripping surreal experience that makes you certainly ponder many things deeply and breaks dozens of gaming and story-telling norms.

Unless you are going for all the endings in Replicant, than you have to do some side quests to get all of the weapons, also some of the sidequests give details of lore. Getting 100% of the weapons on hard mode is an absolute nightmare. The side quests in Automata where way more forgiving than the ones in Replicant (also ending Y was for a secret boss, that one doesn't count)

Plural.

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Checa el canal de Clemps, hace un analisis de TODA la saga

Ya los vi. es bueno también.