For me he IS the skill check of all skill checks. Once I beat him, the combat mechanics for the entire game made complete sense.

Who?

Either Father Owl or Isshin The Sword Saint or Guardian Ape

Somehow I thought he was going to be Number 1, imagine my shock when he didn't even make the list...

Good for you ​@@corneliussmiff2773 I've beat a lot of hard games over the years as a much older gamer in my 30s, but I could Not get Genichiro even close to dying! He is so OP, I even beat Ornstein and Smough with a much easier time! Father G died on my first time and I didn't understand why all the fuss!

Was surprised Sekiro didn’t make the list

My greatest failure 😢

I was just gonna comment this

As soon as gasciogne transformed I had him glitch and jump off the top rail for a glitch death. Needless to say I didn’t learn how to fight until later in the game 😅

Yes it's a perfect example of taking all the skills you have in the journey into gherkin finale

Because he wasnt a brick wall like Father Gasciogne was. The Great Ape is harder for most than Genichiro.

@@birdstwin1186 sorry but you are wrong. Most people who play sekiro find the combat difficult, then get stuck on genichiro and at some point it "clicks" and beat him. This was also the case with me and later I even got the guardian ape after 3 attempts.

100% agree! Genechiro is the base as to when Wolf's true path in skill and story begins, and the peak is reflected at Genechiro in the end. Sekiro is poetry in itself!

Not to mention you can fight cleric before Gascogne and level up and he’s easier

@@corywittamori896 Also a very good point. With Genichiro, there's nothing but your skill that'll get you through.

No way. Gasciogne beats Genichiro, its your first time facing a hunter with his own fast movement and its not very far in the game. Once you get to Genichiro you mostly have the parry system down. I beat him fairly easy. How are you people struggling that hard at that point in the game? Lady Butterfly and The Guardian Ape were bigger skill checks than him.

@@birdstwin1186 "Lady Butterfly and The Guardian Ape were bigger skill checks than him", for you. Though I will admit, they weren't pushovers either, but not as outrageous as Genichiro - for me.

Yeah for sure would agree

Good one!👍🏾

Thanks! I appreciate it!

It’s funny how, outside of a few almost unanimously agreed upon bosses, most people have wildly different experiences with which boss gave them issues. It was the exact opposite for Gascoigne and Cleric Beast for me.

For me it was both. Every boss besides maybe witches of hemwick took a lot of tries

"Work smarter, not harder" way of going about things, very nice!

Exactly - he's explicitly a skill check boss, in that you can get by the rest of the game with only one or two stealth takedowns mastered, for him you need *all* of them. Particularly on hard new game plus mode, where your list of ways to take him down is the same size as the number of times he needs to be taken down.

I REALLY thought he'd be high up on this list man. Shame.

They are harder, but the point of the list is not ranking them by how hard they are but mark a breakpoint in the game where you should have learned certain skills to face the upcoming challenges. Although I agree with the vast majority stating that Genichiro is more of a skill check boss than O&S

For me O&S were harder oddly enough, I didn't find Godskin too difficult even in coop they don't feel too bad, although I find Elden Ring the harder game, O&S were just a lot harder to me, I don't know how they'd feel now tho. I'm just comparing each fight as they were first time for me.

Godskin duo is braindead easy if you just use the sleep status.

@@voraxumbra1O&S are also brain dead easy. Or at least when I found out they are both susceptible to poison. I just lobbed dung pies at them and ran circles, takes a bit of time but technically don’t even need to hit either of them once.

Godskin duo is easier because of the ammount of resources you have in Elden Ring. Status, spirit ashes, player summons. In Dark Souls, you can only rely on getting good.

Like most SMT games. ❤

Matador cancels debuffs with Dekunda....so...you really CAN'T debuff him. He also has Red Capote, which maxes BOTH his evasion and accuracy....and lowers your defense with Taunt. THAT'S why he's such a wall. The fact you can't debuff him (and have them stay), the fact he maxes his own evasion and accuracy, especially when you lower them again, he'll use Red Capote again, and the fact he uses Taunt to hit harder. Maxing your own accuracy and evasion is the way to go....as you'll be on an even playing field for the most part then. The true trick you need....have demons that nullify Force....that'll take his turns away. As for the MC....by the time you face Matador...you only have a few Magatama to utilize. It's kinda funny that the one that nullifies Force...you can buy from the Junk Shop right before you face him.....almost like it's a sign. The other thing...in SMT games, you don't know what the boss is going to throw at you until you face them. It's ironic that Matador is the only required Fiend fight (outside of Dante / Summoner at Mantra Tower.). You actually have to look for the rest. I have an easier time with all the others, but since Matador is so early in the game, he's the hardest of them all. Most bosses have either Dekunda, Dekaja, or both....in some form or another.

@@johnhanzelyjr Not really if you debuff Matador with a single Fog Breath + Sukunda which results in -3 stage debuff, you won't actually trigger his Dekunda or Red Capote for a number of turns. The point is the bosses will only use Dekaja and Dekunda if you max your buffs to your team and you give the enemy max debuff

@@mysteryboii4869 No entirely true. I've had bosses use Dekunda or Dekaja after only one debuff or buff. Sure, they waste a turn....but you're also wasting precious MP, which goes up very slowly in Nocturne. Matador's case....you simply don't have the MP to keep up with it since his fight is so early. Bosses before him, though....don't have Dekaja or Dekunda...but most bosses after him do. -kaja or -nda skills take up a whopping 16 MP, and Fog Breath uses up 40....and the max you most likely to have at that point is roughly 100. Again....this is just the experience I've had. Not saying I'm a master at the SMT games...but I do know the systems well enough to get through them without much issue.....although...the first major boss of SMT5 (Hydra) kicked my arse the first couple times.

I learned none of those things. Mostly because by the time I got to his fight I was level 60 from all the grinding I’d been doing and simply DPS checked him.

Vergil is the last boss, not a skill check XD

@@KhoaTran-md5ou im referring to DMC3 Vergil to be more specific. he was both a skill check and the final boss

I didn't even parry there 😂

Nioh's second boss Hino-Emma, or vampire lady, was much harder and a much bigger skill check. Any time I replay Nioh this is the boss that makes me wanna quit.

Hino-Enma >

​@@valetboy21bruh. She doesn't play with those ranged stuns

I remember her being a challenge but I don't remember her being ungodly hard. The arena was bigger and you had leg room to get some distance before she tried to swoop at ya. But I haven't played the og nioh in a minute so maybe I blocked out the trauma 😅