So because of your Google, you know that Scylla has 6 heads. When Odysseus said "But Scylla has a cost" and had Eurylochus light up 6 torches, what was happening there was the cost. It's possible to make it through Scylla's lair mostly safely, because Scylla accepts sacrifices. The ONLY way to get past Scylla effectively is to basically sacrifice six people so each head is occupied. That's why Odysseus had Eurylochus light six torches; he was giving Scylla easy targets so the rest of them would be safe. Also, fun fact, though I'm not 100% sure about this, but I believe Eurylochus was meant to be one of those sacrifices, but he either dropped it or passed it on to someone else.

The piano tune at the end of “Thunder Bringer” is the tune from the song “My Goodbye”. It’s the tune when Athena tells Odysseus “one day you might understand”, because it’s in this moment he understands what Athena was saying to him. 😭

Explanation from the original story of the Odyssey Odysseus had to sail between a fine line, between Chabrydis and Scylla. Chabrydis would be certain death. Scylla was more manageable. In the original story, Scylla takes 6 men off of Odysseus' boat and he attempts to fight her which sends them to the island of the sun God. Homer and Jorge are telling different stories. And this isn't a bad thing. Homer was wanting to tell an exciting story Jorge has explained that he is trying to send a different message. Which is that you can not protect the things you love without a balance of ruthlessness and mercy. At the start, Odysseus was too merciful. He has now become too ruthless. In this version, Odysseus sets up 6 torches with a man holding each as a peace offering to Scylla to bid them passage. Doing what it took to survive. Odysseus knew full well what he was doing

After the livestream, Jay revealed what the first four lines the chorus at the end of "No Longer You" were saying. "Siren song, Scylla throat, mutiny, lightning bolt"

The fact that you can hear the 6 men getting eaten as Scylla is singing. Some are more muted than others, but you can hear all six screams 😭😭😭

“No more of us deceased now cause he won’t take no suffering from you.” Followed by him sacrificing 6 men and then sacrificing his entire crew HURTS

"Don't tell me this is the last song, I need more" is the exact sentiment I had first listening! Crazy how it sucks you in. Also yes! The pride Zeus is refering to is Ody's.

People think odysseus was in the wrong but i think they don't realize all 37 men left alive in that moment committed treason against the king of Ithaca

I'm not sure if you noticed but E man (love that you call him that), Ody's right-hand-man, confessed to Odysseus that he was the one who opened the bag of wind in "keep your friends close", that's the betrayal that Scylla is talking about. (The betrayal could also mean Odysseus betraying his crew by lighting the torches and "feeding" six of his men to Scylla to pass her, double meaning I guess) In greek mythology (or my understanding of it), Scylla is a nymph who was turned into a monster (by Circe!) with six heads. She eats with all the heads at the same time so she snaches 6 men every time a ship passes her. If the ship is too slow, she may come in for seconds and snach another 6. That's what Ody meant by "a price to pay", that price being 6-12 lives of his crew.

also a sad fact is, Odysseus told Eurylochus to light up six torches, because Scylla could only attack the men with torches, and eurylouchus was holding a torch, in the animation in the live stream, he realizes this and tries to help the last man with a torch but he’s too late. So Odysseus was sacrificing 6 men. And possibly trying to get rid of Eurylochus Edit: Luke Holt is Zeus btw!

Odysseus: Cut their tails off. Crew member: Yay, seafood dinner!

Zeus's/Luke Holt's THUNDER BRINGER is grade-A Zeus. Drawing similarities between Pride and women is so in character for him. As King of The Gods, Zeus knows everything there is to know about Pride. Also his lecherous/lustful nature throughout Greek Mythological History just leaking through the song with Pride being a damsel hiding in a corner where he can undress her is just SSS-class lyricism on Jorgie's part.

WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THE ANIMATION. IT HITS YOU 10X HARDER

Okay, so I was relistening to Scylla and Mutiny on Spotify, and something that barely even registered but now looking back on it is amazing because the last time they manage their “Full Speed Ahead” motif cohesively was before Odysseus sacrificed six of his men, but after they start trying to row away from the island after killing the cow It's like the men are trying to perform the "Full Speed Ahead" motif, but unlike before when they were all together, now it's completely disorganized and frantic, especially with Odysseus yelling "FASTER" really sounding like he was just screaming at them instead of giving orders in the background. Gives me the vibe of them no longer obeying him from respect, but pure panic, hence while they're all disorganized and everything feels incredibly off rhythm. I also like the detail that Eurylocus has always been backed up by the crew, but even now in Mutiny when he led the crew to overthrow Odysseus, sure they stabbed him and knocked him out, but the second the stakes were raised, they immediately fell into line desperately trying to follow Odysseus with Eurylocus not even fighting because even after they rose their Mutiny, he was still their “Captain” not Eurylocus!

Some fun facts to help people better picture what is happening in some scenes!! 1. Sirens often lived on small islands in Greek mythology, singing from the safety of the land to sailors passing by, urging them to jump off their ships and swim to the land, where they were then eaten. In this, Odysseus would have been chained to his ship like in the original story in order to restrain him from jumping off the ship and following the voices, though it sounds like they all clogged their ears as a sort of safety net, so imagine what you want with that! 2. In Greek mythology, sirens had human heads and the body of a bird, but it sounds like Jorge gave them fishtails like a mermaid, so I guess just imagine the sirens from Pirates of the Caribbean. I dunno, lol. 3. Scylla was (as was researched in the video) a creature with razor sharp teeth and mutiple heads connected to their body by elongated necks (think of a snake lady with multiple heads and a shark mouth). She lived on a strait with her sister Charybdis. Charybdis was an underwater monster with a mouth so large that she created whirlpools that would swallow every boat and every living passenger. The strait was so narrow, that ships always had to choose one side or another, and Scylla was the lesser of two evils. Scylla would claim victims by lunging for them like a viper from her cliffside with her six heads, yanking them from the ship and into the cliffside where she would devour them. 4. (I don't recall if this was ever actually part of the myths, but...) Anyone notice that Odysseus ordered for six torches to be lit? And then 6 men were sacrificed? Six men for six heads. Pretty dang savage man.

also the amount of callbacks/motif in this saga is crazy, everytime I listen to it i get a new one everytime lol

I like to think that during thunder bringer when he hears penelope, its zeus as a form of manipulation/to apply pressure since his crew is also speaking to him. Also, idk if u caught this but in the lair, Oddy told Eurlochus to "light up 6 torches". He knew that Syclla would go for whoever is holding the torches but he didnt tell his crew. In the animatic clip that was played in the livestream, you could see eurylochus trying to save his fellow crew mates but was always too late 😢 God, i love this saga it might be my new favorite! I cant wait till full animatics come out! Great reaction!

Mutiny has so many reprisals man, Thunder Bringer has some too, but they did a lot in Mutiny. Also, someone else pointed out that in The Horse and the Infant, Odysseus says "deep down I'd trade the world to see my son and wife". The main ideal with Scylla was 'deep down', and then of course in Thunder Bringer he sacrifices the rest of his men. Deep down, he traded the world to see his son and wife again. I highly suggest watching the clip from the livestream thats on KZfaq already too, it's just the Thunder Saga, but the animatics that Jorge had community people make for it help visualize a lot of what's going on, especially with Mutiny and Thunder Bringer. It's posted by someone named 4W Element Ender.

when it says "about 12 years" It was supposed to be 10 years. in the song he said 12 in circe saga and it was a funny nod at that lol

I only just actually caught the "We are the same, you and I." Scylla is a monster, but didn't start that way. I've never read Odyssey but I saw in the comments that Circe had turned the Nymph Scylla was into the monster they are now. I'll probably look this up afterwards to make sure this is right just to be sure. But if that is the case, Scylla is calling themselves and Ody people who have become monsters or just outright is calling him a monster. I was too caught up in the music when first listening to Thunder Saga fully so that detail had slipped past before. After doing some research, this is indeed true. Circe poisoned the spring Scylla would bathe in outta jealousy because she loved Glaucus but Glaucus loved Scylla from the looks of it. This turned Scylla into the monster she is now.

17:22 tbh thats basically just what the the fates are. The common idea in the time the odyssey was written was that they wove your entire life as a thread in their tapestry and there was nothing you could do to avoid the future they had set for you. Usually trying to avoid it just made it worse

you can hear ody telling eury to give 6 torches to the men and he mentions a price for going past scylla in Suffering which probably implies he knew he needed to sacrifice a man to each of scylla heads to make it through scylla's strait

Luke Holt is Zeus in epic the musical

So, time for a Greek Mythology dump to help provide context to all of this since not everyone has read The Odyssey or studied Greek Mythology. Suffering/Different Beast: Ody isn't (at least in the book) wearing any of the wax because he wanted to hear the siren song. To survive he had his crew tie him to the mast and he was struggling so immensely that the rope tore into his skin. I believe in Epic he is wearing the wax though since the explanation and him holding onto his sanity via not jumping in makes me believe this is another difference from the book, which I like. Sirens here also very likely aren't the ones usually featured in Greek Mythology. The ones here, I imagine, are essentially evil mermaids we most commonly think of today. In Greek Mythology, Sirens share more in common with Harpies and they do similar things (singing people to their doom). I do prefer this too, simply because it lessens the overlap of the two creatures and generally is more interesting to me personally. He also doesn't learn about Scylla here in the books, he learns about it after returning from the underworld to Circe. Scylla: So, yes Scylla is super messed up. She was once a beautiful nymph until Circe got jealous and turned Scylla into how we know her today. She has a few mildly different depictions, the most common being my personal favorite. A woman with 6 snake like necks protruding from her lower body with dog heads on the ends with three rows of shark-like teeth in each of them. She is also adorned with 12 legs. The lighting of 6 torches is essentially Odysseus marking 6 of his men for death. Since Scylla only has 6 heads, and said heads can only eat one person, he marked them with torches to make them easy targets. In the book, Ody does intend to fight Scylla but loses 6 men anyways because it's a giant sea-monster-lady. Mutiny/Thunder God: There isn't much to talk about with these 2 because aside from minor details, most of it is accurate. E-man and the crew are done with Ody, so they stage a mutiny and end up on Helios' island. The cows E-man kills here aren't actually cows, they're golden oxen in the book, but this is so minor I don't think anyone cares. But this is all really accurate, Zeus then comes down and destroys the ship, killing all of the Crew aside from Ody.

When the siren told Odysseus they'd need to go through the Lair of Scylla, he said "No...but Scylla has a cost" - then in the beginning of Scylla he told Eurolychus to light up six torches and hand them out. It was a deliberate sacrifice of one Man per Head so the rest of them could get through unscathed. If you remember the Prophet's song from Underworld Saga: "I see a song of past romance (Suffering), I see the sacrifice of man (Scylla), I see portrayals of betrayal and a brother's final scand (Mutiny). I see you on the brink of death (Thunderbringer), I see you draw your final breath (in the very end of Thunderbringer when the music changes, he's also sinking into the water along with the rest of the crew he just sacrificed). I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it's no longer you (He's a 'Differen't Beast' now)" Cool, huh? Also, horribly tragic, but still awesome. And Zeus is Luke Holt. He's insanely good. Check Jorge's channel for snippets of animatics to put everything in better context. He's started releasing them slowly.

so fun fact about Scylla; her being the way she is is all Circe's fault see, Circe was in love with this one guy (whose name I can never remember and honestly I cant be asked to look it up), but he only had eyes for this one nymph. so Circe, powerful sorcereress that she is, concocted a potion and poured it into the spring where she knew the nymph took her baths. the nymph was transformed into a monster, and placed on top of a cliff next to Charybdis, to antagonize sailors for all eternity. that is Scylla (which is why the line "die in the blood where you bathe" is such an interesting line to me, considering her own transformation. does she know, somehow?)

Fun Fact about the song “Scylla”, if you listen closely when she starts singing aggressively, you can hear the 6 men screaming in terror and agony one by one as they are taken by the 6 heads. I figured it out and now can’t stop hearing it. I even counted to make sure and I was right, 6 screams, one at a time

The line structure in mutiny is the Zues part of The Horse And The Infant. From "where are we" to "hunger is so heavy" is "what was that" to "i dont think your ready"

Shoutout to Luke Holt for the amazing vocals as Zeus!!

Its rare to see such insightful and genuine commentary from a reaction channel. Subscribed.

Listening to the Thunder Saga during the livestream with all the sagas playing before it was such an impactful experience. Even after listening to the saga beforehand, everything coming together was ridiculously good. Glad you enjoyed the Saga Dave! Can’t wait to see more of your reactions.

I have been following this whole saga since the Troy saga and fell in love with it. This whole saga is absolutely beautiful and devastating and I love it so much. It’s awesome to see anyone get into the Epic musical!!

Love your reactions! Hoping to see more of them! 22:33 don't worry man, he did this to ALL OF US 😭 And by the way, Zeus' singer's name is Luke Holt!

Always love your insight and reactions!! This is honestly my favourite saga so far! As for Scylla, Odysseus sacrificed six men, for the six heads. 1 man for each head. It was either that, or all 43 dead. In the animatic during the livestream, it was shown that Eurylochus was also holding a torch, as Odysseus intended to sacrifice him after Eurylochus revealed he was the one to open the wind bag. Also, Odysseus’s men stabbed him, but also bandaged him up. And during Thunder Bringer, Odysseus doesn’t verbally voice his choice, but he does point at them in an animatic. And the animations Jorge commissioned are amazing! They really enhanced the experience. Can’t wait for you to see them once he releases them! Gigi’s animatic for Mutiny during the livestream was insane!

Zeus is voiced by Luke Holt! :)

Dave's face during the beginning of Thunder Bringer is a mood

Eurylochus open bag is his mistake but he not inten to hurt any one but Odysseus decide to sacrificing 6 men to Scylla with his own intention of course the crew choose to joine Eurylochus

Loved your Epic reactions from finding your Polyphemus reaction, thunder saga is insane

I was waiting for your reaction! You're so calm and relaxed but deliver such great, insightful commentary, it's always a fun time on here

You have the best reactions to Epic. Going into the content and not the technical aspects of the music like the others. It makes the reactions so much more relatable when listening to such thought provoking material.

Man said king pin of mount olympus 😂 thats such a great name

The fact that he harmonized with Cylla in do what it takes to survive, that is a lovely bit of metaphor for how much he has changed

Thunder Bringer is my new favourite song from Epic, I can't deny it. Not only is the sound incredible, but the lyrics, the word choices, the dual meanings, the allegories. Just "sublime you for your act of crime" alone is so good it pains my little linguist heart: sublime (verb): 1. chemistry - change from a solid state directly to vapour 2. archaic - elevate to a higher decree of moral or spiritual purity Zeus is here to cleanse you of your sins by REDUCING YOU TO VAPOUR

I want to help you pronounce some names if you’ll let me: Eurylochus- "Eur" from Europe "yl" as in ill "o" just the letter o, "chus" as in "cuss" Polyphemus- "Poly" from polygon "phem" as in the beginning of the word femur (the bone) and "us" refering to "me and you" Scylla: "Scyl" as in a windowsill and "la" a note to follow so I hope this helps and you don’t take this like I'm trying to make fun of you or something, I just noticed you having trouble with names and wanted to help ❤

Luke "The thunderbolt" Holt is Zeus's singer. He also was Elpenor (R.I.P., gone and forgotten) in "Luck Runs Out". Perimedes said "Open the bag!" Elpenor was the one to say "Let's see what you got!" In Homer's _The Odyssey,_ Elpenor was the youngest man on Odysseus's crew, and he got shitfaced drunk on wine at Circe's palace and fell off the roof and died from a broken neck. They were just about to be on their way to the Underworld when he died, so they had to leave him there, but Odysseus eventually returned to give him a proper burial. He actually had a verse in "The Underworld", but Jorge scrapped it because it was too funny for the song. Elpenor's whole thing in _The Odyssey_ is that he's basically forgotten, so it's quite fitting that he was basically forgotten in Epic, only remembered as one of the "558 men who died under your command."

I WAS ABOUTTA GO TO BED!!!! YOU JAMMONG OUT WAS A TOTAL VIBE I CAN SLEEP PEACEFULLY NOW LOL!!!

Just a recommendation, For future reference, when the next saga comes out. Watch his live stream for the song. He usually adds short animatics and lyrics, so it's definitely the recommended course of action before full animatics have time to come out 😊

I get why he killed the sirens but my heart couldn't take hearing it happen i have struggled relistenin to this whole saga😭

This was such an amazing saga! I loved every second of this. I even loved the new versions of Troy and Cyclops Saga he put out! Infinitely better over the originals! ❤

This saga hit me fr

Love your headcanons! And so in keeping with the way these stories used to be performed thousands of years ago. And the story changed over time. Keep reacting and I'll keep watching. Your shock when you got to the last song was so awesome.

Your realization when you re-read mutiny is priceless 😭😂😂😂 !

Despite knowing the mythology and Odyssey already, I still LOVED your speculations, they'd make for amazing myths!!

The reason Odysseus lit six torches is so the six heads would attack them. That’s why Eurylochus was so mad.

Also, tyrisias foretold all of it. Paat romance-Ody and Pen (in the books its also Circe and Ody and someone else i wont name and ody) Portrayals of betrayals-ody sacrificed his men, the men tried to mutiny him, ody delivering the ultimate betrayal by choosing to kill his crew., (book ody betraying pen) A brothers final stand- E man starting the mutiny and standing his gound in killing the cows against odys advice

Should definitely rewatch this with the animatics in the live stream because the animatic make it sound & feel so much better

E man really brought a lot upon himself, he avoided the cost for his own deeds from the start all the way until thunder bringer. He ultimately was the one who caused the death of the fleet by opening the wind bag, then lead his men into the witch's home, and angered the sun god by his own actions. Odysseus angered Poseidon, but that confrontation was avoidable if not for E's actions.

All the sagas are really good at describing what’s going on but I feel like the Thunder Saga will be so much better with the animatics along with it compared to past sagas

I have mixed feelings about Odysseus sacrificing members of his crew. This was after he’d had this entire epiphany about how he has to be ruthless to foes and how his actions of mercy have cost more lives than they’ve saved. And it was his crew that disobeyed him and opened the bag of winds leading them right to Poseidon and Circe. And yes, he knew what he was doing in the lair of Scylla when he had his men light up six torches, but what would they rather have him do? Poseidon had just killed his entire fleet. He needed to avoid him at all cost. And back on Circe’s island Eurylochus was willing to sacrifice the men Circe had in order to escape. And his crew committing mutiny and killing the sun gods cow, sealed the deal. They had become Odysseus’s foes. So he had to be ruthless to them.

I love the line "He is the man-made monster" because of "Monster" at the end of the last act. Idk it is just something about that line, the fact that this whole time he was trying to grip onto his humanity while fighting a war, while trying to get home, and while trying to stay alive. He was so desperate to keep his sense of humanity intact that he ended up sacrificing lives unintentionally when he didn't finish off his enemies. Seeing him finally lose it and make a conscious decision to not only kill, but slowly kill and punish the sirens with his men singing this in the background is honestly chilling. This is especially chilling when you take into consideration the line, "What does a man become a monster?" We thought we saw it before when he killed the baby, and innocent soul who was destined to destroy everything he loved but really, he didn't truly become a "Monster" until he let go of everything that made him human.

Was waiting for this!!! Thanks for the reaction!

Bro, you've got me talking to my screen like you could hear me lol! Your reactions give a very good interactive vibe, and I love it. You've got a new sub 🤘

Love how Hamilton like Thunder Bringer was, the callbacks fit so well together

Your reactions are awesome and I love them! I’ve been watching you for a while (did not notice I was not subscribe so I did that today!!) Honestly, I felt practically the exact same way with this saga, especially with the cliffhanger in Thunder Bringer! I can’t wait for when the rest of EPIC comes out- also, it’d be cool if you reacted to more musicals! Some I’d highly recommend is Nerdy Prudes Must Die by StarKid, which are all free on KZfaq. (Sorry if this is too long or confusing, I’m not a native speaker of english)

You dont fight Scylla... you SURVIVE Scylla...

Ody making Eurylochus light 6 torches, unknowingly marking 6 friends for death is insane- especially after confessing his guilt over the wind bag (the deaths were also still Ody’s fault for doxxing himself for no reason tho). Definitely a good reason for mutiny, and even after all that they spared him and he still considered him a friend. He just totally gave up by the end and didn’t wanna starve which is sad

Hey just a heads up Jorge has to rerelease Troy and cyclops saga so they have new sounds if you’d like to listen to them

Scylla recognizing Odysseus as a monster like her and happily accepting his sacrifice to pass safely was a nice way to see his change from mercy to ruthlessness.

Man you have become my favorite reaction channel here can’t wait to get your take on the next saga :)

Your reaction towards the end of Mutiny into the beginning of Thunder Bringer was similar to mine, but your expressions got me chuckling to myself cause honestly? It's a mood.

Fun fact: sirens often get confused with mermaids! But in Greek myths, they’re actually bird creatures with the heads of beautiful women with even more beautiful pipes.

It was so much fun watching this! I didn't know that you were reacting to Epic. I loved the Home Free videos, so I'm glad this came up in my feed too. You seemed as excited about this saga as I was! I can't wait for the next one

So excited to see youve already posted your thunderbringer reactions ❤️ thanks for feeding us with new content so quickly 💞

I agree the voice actors are amazing especially the one playing Zeus. His voice just fits so well. The sad thing is, Odysseus has been with these men for 10 years and calls them his brothers. They were also his family. Especially the ones on the same ship. I get at this point Odysseus feels betrayed by them…but they feel betrayed by Odysseus, multiple times. No matter what Poseidon may have figured out who Odysseus was. But Poseidon may have not if Odysseus didn’t literally give his name away. Odysseus is desperate to see his wife and child, but his crew had families too. E-man, is his brother in law, married to Odysseus’s sister. And unlike with the cyclops, it doesn’t feel like Odysseus planned much for Scylla. Feels more like he just wanted to punish E-man. And the sirens were just cruel. He literally made them have a very slow and painful death. In reality, they could have just sailed through the sirens once they had the information needed. Or maybe, they would have helped him more if he spared them. 🤷‍♀️ being kind work with Circe. Or he could have at least tried the kind way and then get ruthless if that didn’t work on the sirens. At the very least he could have just made the siren’s death quick and painless. There is just this bitterness to him now. He isn’t shutting off his emotions, his just avoiding them and turning them into anger. I totally get that Athena’s “shut off your heart” requirement was insane. Odysseus is a human with human emotions. Maybe Athena should have taught him how to work through the emotions in a he’s way so that they don’t distract him from a battle. I realize the gods in Greek mythology aren’t great about humans, or their feelings in general.

As bad as the choices seem, It was everyone ELSE'S fault Zeus showed up. I dont blame Ody for a second for making that choice there

MY MAN I DIDNT KNOW U WERE THIS GOOD, I recall watching u in some hip hop specific songs but also EPIC? damn u won me

i love epic so much. been obessed with it for now three months now. but also othunder saga is amazing

just found your channel and I gotta say, i love the vibes!! also love your note about the sound design - jorge keeps improving and improving on the sound design for epic, and it really helps sell what's happening without visual references (though also - have you seen the animatics he's got commissioned for this???? they are INSANELY good, especially the scylla one!!) keep it up dude :D

So sad fact, the creator had to deal with a bad company and so had to REMAKE the first and second saga, youll see on hai channel theres original and official sides, you dont have to react to then but you should listen to what are basically the remasters!

13:34 I don't know if some one pointed this out already, but in the second song, "Scylla" if you count, you can hear the six screams of the six men at different times in the song, it's super chilling

So, to help out with anyone not understanding the parts that were adapted into the Thunder Saga - Suffering and Different Beast - This is the part in the original Odyssey when Odysseus and crew pass through the waters inhabited by Sirens. In the OG, Odysseus has his men plug their ears with beeswax and then tie him to a mast super tight so that he could hear the Siren's Song. Frankly, it's a pretty meh portion of the story that Jorge improved, in my opinion. Scylla - This is adapting the part of Scylla and Charybdis. In the OG myth, Odysseus and crew sailed near the cliffside to avoid the whirlpool created by the sea monster Charybdis, which led to the six head monster Scylla killing six of Odysseus's men. Obviously, Charybdis is omitted in the play, and instead the six men are treated like a sacrifice. Mutiny and Thunder Bringer - This is adapting the, obviously, mutiny, slaughtering of Helios's cattle, and Zeus punishing the crew. In the OG, the mutiny occurred because Odysseus didn't want his starving men to kill the cattle - since they had been warned by the prophet against doing so - but Eurylochus decided he was far too hungry to care. This action led to him and the rest of his crew being killed. Changes in Epic, obviously, are the mutiny being over Scylla, them not knowing about the cattle, and Zeus forcing Odysseus to choose between himself and his men.

This saga is so incredible, and I loved your commentary and reactions ❤️

Thanks for this reaction all these songs were fantastic . I love how everyone has their own takes.

i didnt expect scylla to be my favorite song this album/saga, but the way she goes from soft to hella aggressive back to soft is so good

Enjoyed watching you get sucked into what was happening at the end of Mutiny, its very tense

YESSSSSSS Ive been getting in groups of epic the musical, currently singing the thunder saga too I LOVE IT SMMMMM AND THE REACTION YESSS❤🎉

Helios is the sun god, and he's the cousin of Zeus; their fathers are brothers. He's one of the Titans that took Zeus' side during the Titanomachy (the war between the gods of Olympus and the Titans), so they were pretty close. I don't think Jorge included it in his Circe saga, but she WARNED him not to touch Helios' cattle if they ever came across his island or he would stop them from returning home. She warned him that if they touched the cattle, all of Odysseus' men would die, his ships would be destroyed, and even if he survives he would be the only one to do so. So (in Homer's telling of the Odyssey) when Odysseus' men eat the cattle, Helios basically tells Zeus to dispose of Odysseus' men or he'll leave the regular world (like, above ground) and go to Underworld and shine there. Hades/The Underworld is the only place where Helios' light cannot reach; dying meant no longer seeing the sunlight as they believed that being alive was to live under it. So Helios' descent to the Underworld would destabilize the balance between the dead and the living. So Zeus basically said "I'll deal with it" and killed everyone but Odysseus.

Your face when reading the description of Scylla 😂💀. If I saw Scylla I’d just give up.

Seeing your facial reaction to the second half of scylla was my exact reach when i heard it for the first time its gruesome

I’ve been looking forward to “Thunderbringer” the most of all the songs. Well, I was looking forward to “Your Light” the most but it was cut and so this took first place. And I was not disappointed. So good.

Thank you for pointing out that the new part had come!

LOVE YOUR WORK, MAN!

Learning the original version of the Odyssey was likely performed by multiple bards over centuries in poetic song form that Homer likely just compiled kind of makes Epic even more Epic. Like this is going back to the roots in so many ways. It honestly makes sense how a blind bard could compose The Iliad and the Odyssey despite their length. You can't memorize a book easily. You can memorize lord knows how many songs pretty easily. And then scribes just really liked his version. Epic truly is gonna be Epic when its completed.

Bro i love you and your content you are so wholesome!

My husband told me an Odyssey joke when I told him about this saga: Odysseus: hey guys wanna go with me on an Odyssey? Crew: what’s an Odyssey? Odysseus: oh it’s an adventure named after the sole survivor of the journey… Crew: WHAT DO YOU MEAN SOLE SURVIVOR?!?!!!!

Fun fact: Zeus is the only god so far who hasn't had his name mentioned in the songs he's a part of. Athena, Hermes, Poseidon, Circe, and Aeolus all have either had their names called out by a character or in the chorus, but not Zeus. All he has is the thunder. Also the piano motif at the end is either the same or similar to the one at the end of "My Goodbye" where Athena is saying "one day you might hear what I'm saying, one day you might understand"

I found this part by accident, and I am so glad I did. I am in tears listening to this, and brings me so much desire to write more

The amount of different motifs they use in Mutiny is beautiful. There are motifs of luck runs out & just a man. The luck runs out is specifically when eurylochus sings first about trusting him " how can we trust you now " and then again when he sings about suffering from hunger. Before he kills a cow he says " im just a man ". Jeorge incorperates different songs from the previous sagas beautifully.

All of this could have been avoided if Eury and the men did not betray Ody by opening the bag of winds. Odyseus told them not to let the treausre rumour fly, but they didn't listen! All the men are guilty. Eury consciousness was getting to him and he man'd up and confessed. Too bad it was last minute and at the most inopportune time, yet in the end all the soldiers betrayel costed them their lives in the end. But, yeah, I can't blame them because they gave in too hunger and that damned while Odysseus was holding on to love to guide his way. But, it's true, the duality between heroes amd monsters are two sides of the same coin. Thunder Bringer, Mutiny and Scylla....my gosh those songs are amazing. The emotions, the vocals the music....perfection! I hope we get another Saga. Ody's story is not done yet.