Rule of thumb: When my Christianity becomes about me, it's no longer Christianity. It's no longer I that live, but Christ.

This book contributed to my downfall. Happy to say 3 years after reading it, the Holy Spirit intervened in my life in a big way. I’ve repented and I’ve rededicated my life to Christ. 🙌🏼

When you said Oprah liked this author, that was a red flag to me even though I had never heard of her, or her books before. Oprah is VERY New Age. When Oprah was still doing her show she said, "There are many roads to G-d..." A woman on the stage disagreed and said something about Jesus being the Way. Oprah immediately shut her down and went to commercial. I never watched her show again.

When Oprah and other celebrities promote someone's book that right there is a red flag.

I drifted from the Lord. Picked up where I left off in my worldly behavior. Then got sober in a community which has now evolved to a “self” way of conscious living. I thought I could continue being a part of this community. Holy Spirit opened my eyes and pierced my heart. I removed all my self help books etc since then.

This "Me centric" false theology has really flooded 'churches.' I increasingly saw it in a large SBC church I had attended for many years. The focus was on appeasing people's emotions, worldly wants and desires as much and more as any Truth, accountability or Christian conviction of sin.

What gets you sucked in is sprinkles of truth amid the lies. Subtle is very hard to discern. I enjoyed this talk. Thank you.

I know many women who've read this book without knowing God's Word and have become the most "ME" loving people I've ever known. The title should be " The Entire World Revolves Around ME".

Why do women want to be "fierce" "wild" and "untamed"? The opposite of Jesus teachings of gentleness, obedience, and self-abnegation.

I'm still stunned from the ad that played before the video. Planned Parenthood celebrating Abortion, the word written in neon, with music playing in the background. There was a petition they wanted signed, and "we used your info to start this and make it easier for you!" Has anyone else seen that, know what that was? (I know KZfaq channels have no idea what ads we see) Sorry, that was so sickening, I just ... it's so important to pray for this country, and get in and help every place we can. When we can't even count on churches and people who have been teachers we liked in the past to tell the Truth, we have to keep seeking Truth, and always letting that light shine.

I'm glad she listed Jen Hatmaker in with Richard Rohr and others...she got to me in college and I am glad I had strong Christians in my sphere to discuss thosr messages with, I had a lot to sort through after that and was quite bitter for awhile.

Great podcast! Yes, Satan’s best lies are mixed with a modicum of truth in an attempt to create validity. However, if part of the story is a lie, then all of the story is a lie!

The last thing you said about the book’s author, Alisa, reminds me to keep praying and being tender hearted toward progressives, which is generally difficult for us men to do. Thank you both, Alisa and Melissa, for that well balanced critique!!!

Great dialogue and discussion on very important modern day Church theology here. Also brings to mind sermons by the late David Wilkersons on what he called the seeker friendly last days Church. I believe this ties in with scriptures on the great falling away prior to the man of sin being revealed in the book of Thessalonians. Bottom line is, who sits on the throne of a believers heart, Christ or Self, a crossless Church is a powerless Church, Persecutions are at the doorstep of the Spiritually Sleeping Modern day Christians.

I totally agree. Many people do not having lasting relationships, because they do not know what love truly is. Love is about accepting a person, but does not necessarily mean they support, agree with or approve of their behavior. This is why many marriages fail and family members grow apart; because they expect the other person to accept everything they do, even if it’s wrong or bad for them. I can still love someone and not agree with their lifestyle choices. God loves the sinner, but hates the sin.

God bless you spiritually, mentally, physically, and financially in Jesus name amen

Thank you for this episode. Hope your mom is doing better. Now to the book. It seemed to me several years ago that there was something amiss in the church but I couldn't put my finger on it. Since then it has become clear that the gospel has become me-centered rather than God-centered. Immersing myself in the Bible has cleared up a lot. It is like handling real dollar bills a lot, then when a counterfeit is inserted into the mix it is recognizable. We really need to be Bereans.

Your presentation of the gospel at 40m was so incredible. The beauty of the cross: love and justice meet and Jesus is our way out of God's wrath if we believe in Him, transformation by the Holy Spirit and eternity with the Father! Preach it sister!

Thank you for this. As someone just now waking up to the "self" centerness of progressive christianity this has been so eye opening. I had this book on my to read list but after watching this review, I really questioned my interest in it and truthful it was because it appealed to my flesh. It focuses on me being god and my own savior rather than Jesus.

Thank You Alyisa and Melissa - as the old hymn says 'God is working His purpose out as year succeeds to year...'

2 of my favorite women ❤️ Always a great conversation

This was a brilliant conversation….throughout I couldn’t help but take it all back to the Garden in my mind…..for when you eat of it you shall be like God…isn’t that lie so telling…..I would hate to finish the words of a book with I AM there is only one who has that title….a very slippery slope to be on thank you ladies ❤️❤️🙏

Yes! I watched this on Melissa's channel a while ago. So good!

just found your channel recently and I'm obsessed 💯

I love these podcast so glad i found you. Thank you Alisa

Alisa, when are you going to debate Glennon? Even just a conversation would be so interesting. I’d like to see her answer your pointed statements of truth. She certainly needs the love of Christ presented as you do. Thankful for what God is doing in you and Melissa.

This was great, thank you! :)

Hi Alisa and Melissa, I just watched this video. I really appreciated what you two had to say. My wife and I have found tremendous freedom in faithful marriage to each other and to the Lord. We have learned to say to each other that "Holiness is Happiness." One of the best freedoms is that we can live unselfishly for each other without concern for getting anything in return. We both freely give to each other and it's wonderful!

Love you both these ladies. Keep standing for the truth!

What a great and truly needed conversation! Well done ladies! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughtful knowledge-filled and kind discernment.

Thank you Alisa for your program! God bless!

Thanks for posting

Thanks for another opportunity to catch this conversation. And thank you for taking the time to give us some edifying content even when you have other things going on - I pray that your mother will be much better soon and that you’ll be strengthened to support her ❤

This is so good!

I know two families as well that were ruined because of the catalyst of this book and these messages. 😣🥺

Thank you so much for this discussion, I think your critique was fair and presented in a kind way. God bless! ❤

Hitting the Truth Nail right on the Head!!!!

Your amazing ..Melisa. great show ma'am. U two together are great

Thank you so very much, love you am praying for you keep straight path.

At 29:03 it occurred to me that the books definition of love doesn’t even work from the secular perspective. Example: the basis of an intervention is “we love you but your drug use is killing you, so we want you to change”. However, with her definition of love you have to accept their drug use no matter what it’s doing to that person.

How Enlightning --Thank You, Alisa and Melissa!

Perfect timing for me, as I'm in training for a Wellness coach certificate. I've wrestled with many of the self- oriented components, but then realizing that much of the inner strengths we're coaching people to call forth are gifts from our Creator, the theological term escapes me...like a universal grace. Of course it'll only take one so far, then a truly God-seeking soul would cry out for more- which I'm prepared to give.

Beautiful!! 😍

Melissa, 49:30 - It's so encouraging to hear you say this. I've stayed away f/ subscribing to your channel for awhile due to the harshness, but I sense more of a compassion f/ you in this. God bless you! 51:30 So precious...yes, the love of God compels us... Such a great video, both of you.

I was so blessed by your heart for people you disagree with. This is a fruit that is, sadly, in short supply today. Glory to God

Great to see you two bringing this topic to light! So many progressive Christian’s swayed by this ideology! Glennon is a brilliant woman and an incredible writer but she is very lost and we must pray for her. New age has done a doozy on so many unfortunately.

All the best to mom. 🙏🙏🙏

Thanks to you and Melissa for exposing Unchained philosophy for what it is.

Me in line for the Bible study on Love written by @Melissa Dougherty

Great comments....nothing to add.

Spirits of pride and rebellion are behind Untamed by Glennon Doyle and most new age spirituality.

18:34 "What if the powers of darkness didn't look dark, it looked like light, it looked like false light. 2 Corinthians 11 The devil comes masquerading as light. If the devil came to us, he would not show up with a pitchfork, a pointy tail, horns, red skin and say 'Hey! I'm going to teach you about love in the Bible.' No, man, he comes to you as Glennon Doyle!"

The cream cheese retell mom lesson that Alisa gives props to is ironic. I haven't read this book, but it appears that Glennon Doyle is expecting that "all varieties of cream cheese" be brought to her worldview. Very ironic. To Glennon, I say, "Nope. I'm not going to do that."

I thought I already watched this video but it said it was and technically I have on Melissa's channel 😂

God revealed to me yesterday the only thing that he did not put a ceiling on was passion… If his children pursue his callings the heights of the passion can reach are off the charts… That’s exactly why Satan uses it against us

RHE was exceedingly dangerous! She gained fame due to her mind and she died due to her mind! Ironic much!? She led many astray from the narrow way! Woe to her!

The "good" that comes from humanity in our naturally fallen and sinful state provides the ability to be religously cruel and to believe that cruelty is good (Isaiah 5:20;Romans 10:1-3)! We have a righteousness motivated and fueled by "self" and apart from the Spirit of the Living God. We're snacking and smacking on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that God told Adam and Eve not to eat from!!! Reading Exodus 33:19 and hearing Psalm 23:6 sang this morning provided me with a better understanding into the character and the real goodness of the only true and living God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent (John 17:3).

I’m not sure if there are issues here on KZfaq, but when I listened to this on Spotify today, the recording had a lot of trouble; repeating the same words over and over, skipping forward and back etc. Just wanted to let you know.

Jay Skylar was one of my professors!

I; early on, listened on audible, so I didn't pick up on the capitalization. But that "whatever you want to call it" also comes from the cultic 12 programs of "as you understand him." Most 12 step Christians are very progressive. Alcoholics Anonymous 12 steps come from automatic writing.

I think the book was #1 at the time because of the pandemic as well.... I got sucked in and have repented.

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Even before it became apparent who Oprah is, I knew that her book of the month club was my list of books NOT to read!

God is not delighted at the death of the wicked. We should be of the same mind and spirit.

This warped ideology has its roots in the Eastern religions of Hindhuism and Buddhist. One has a plethora of gods and the other encourages you to empty yourself to achieve a higher plane. In both you can become another god.

People of all kinds please state if your theists, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics. #1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that person moral? #2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child or stop? #3 Is it just to punish innocent people for the crimes of others? #4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it? #5 Would you consider an all knowing parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put a supernatural con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?

Female empowerment and self love aren't bad if taken from a biblical worldview..

That does not mean that the former is untrue, Christianity can help setting people free, but we are always free at all times. Some people like to be enslaved by grifters who do not really have their best interests at heart perhaps.

What easier way to deny God than to make yourself a god.

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Are you seeing Joel osten as a problem???

Wasn't this out a year ago?

The problem is not that people focus too much on God's attribute of LOVE, because He is LOVE. The problem is with the English word itself. We can spend all our time focused on His LOVE if we like, just make sure our focus is on the correct word AGAPPE. God AGAPPE the world in this way, that He gave us His only begotten Son! If we kept our focus on AGAPPE it would take us on a journey to the cross and if our were open to understand it, our hearts would break as we watch Him die, telling us moments before that He forgives us! He wants us to want Him, to be with Him, to choose Him. That is His Love. It is a sacrifice of the self for the object of the one being loved. The opposite of this world's definition.

Anything by Glennon, is not anything I want to read, she is UN-biblical relationship.

Curious how does anyone including the authors of the Bible not superimpose their own ideas of what the attributes of God are? Is not all knowledge of the attributes and essence of God gathered through the limited finite human sensorium?

it's worth bearing in mind also that jesus didn't write a single word, not even "my dad can beat up your dad" and oddly, despite miracles being er, miracled every other day, no one actually wrote about him either, not even "saw jesus feet surfing today, rad"

I have listened to her most recent podcasts, she does not seems happy.

Commercials just give me too much time to formulate a comment. So I'm commenting only 14 minutes in. But I was amazed to hear that "Christians are shocked" by this "I Am" theology. Oprah has been practicing hers for how many years now? Didn't ya'll know that once upon a time Oprah actually was a person who went to a regular Baptist church? Okay, not everyone saw Oprah in the early years. That's cool. I guess I forget there are many Christians who have been Christians since childhood. I was raised by a Christian family but the second I saw out the front door, I was out of that mess. Of course, mine was a household as a child where my dad was a wannabe warlock practicing Satanism while mom was a 5th generation Episcopalian. They found their ultimate agreement in the Charismatic movement. I was dragged along against my vocalized will. So I was never really a Christian. It wasn't something I chose. I would just like to say that for the next 35 years, I went to the ultimate church of "I am God" commonly known as therapy. I tell you, there is nothing that will encourage putting yourself on the throne of at least your own life more than therapy. So to me, this is nothing new. I'm about 7 1/2 years old as a Christian. An actually saved-by-God and believe-the-Bible Christian now. I say to the left wing of Christianity "Bye bye now, don't let the door hit your backside too hard as you leave!" meanwhile antsy for them all to just GET OUT! Either be a Bible confessing Christian or stop calling yourselves Christians! I can't wait for them to do that. Okay. Sorry. Rant done. Love this, and will now go listen to the rest in jaw-dropped amazement -- or not. Addition after watching full video: that was good. And yes, we need to practice praying for any and all people who we find to be opposite us in life, aka "enemies" because this is the only way to be Christ-like. Christ died for His enemies. He wept over Jerusalem who rejected Him and crucified Him. We were all His enemies from birth. If we don't pray for our enemies now, we'll get hearts encased by stone, and I have to tell you from long sad experience, that is not a good place to be at all. And you won't make it through persecution that way. Great show.

Glennon is a lost soul. Unfortunately, her book has fallen into the hands of so many other confused people. I pray God’s voice - without all of the noise - will be something she can’t escape.

A slave to your passions???

The idea of the Self is infinitely expansive. It's not an egotistical thing. It's realizing that there really are no individuals. We are all waves in the same ocean. The ocean is God. Whether or not you think it's true is a different story, but that is what is meant by Self or knowing.

In Matthew 5:27-28 Jesus said, “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Cause for divorce according to Jesus Christ!

This concept that Glennon Doyle is espousing, namely, “if you truly love me, you will accept me in my sin” is ridiculous. Jesus/Yeshua very clearly loved His Jewish brethren, but he called out the priests who were violating Torah and called them a den of thieves and whitewashed tombs! Harsh? Yes, but it made His point. He loved them enough to call them out and tell them the truth. It was definitely not “their truth”. He got them riled up enough that many of them repented and eventually became followers of Him as Messiah. The rest were actively trying to put him to death! Nobody likes their golden calf to be touched, and in this case, Glennon Doyle‘s golden calf is her rebellion and her newfound homosexuality/lesbianism!

Holy, Holy, Holy, in Hebrew, the word "holy" is interpreted as separated without contact, hence the introduction of God into matter in any form is blasphemy and idolatry, and that's the end of the story.

The "love" described in this book sounds like 2 Timothy 3:1-5 and Proverbs 12:10. Alisa, what happened to your like button? I wanted to like this video, but the dislike button is my only option? 🤨

There is not enough good in the book to recommend it. All the more reason to STAY AWAY from it BECAUSE it's so deceptive and "lovely". Time is so precious. I'll read things like Childers, Baucham, etc...

Jesus said the same thing about us, that we are one with him and God. To know what this means, I suggest that you ask God, not Glennon Doyle. The idea that we are sinful means that we are separate from God, so we must not be sinful. Sin is corrected with punishment or sacrifice if you believe that is why Jesus died on the cross for our sins. But love is not punishment nor is it fear. "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love." "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

48:00 Are we taking wisdom from Satan now? What possible use could a book have, in a sincere Christian's life, if it promotes anti Christ ideals? Roman's 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. Pray for them? Absolutely. Read their books? Nope

Jesus says the wage of Sin is death. Hes not talking any specific sin hes says Any sin is guilty of death. Yet- the gift of God is Eternal life. We are not our own savior Jesus is - calvinism bad- Jesus good

Numbers 22:20-31... "And God came to Balaam at night and said to him, Since the men have come to call you, rise up; go with them, but only what I speak to you shall you do. . . . And Balaam rose up in the morning and saddled his donkey and went with the rulers of Moab. . . . And God’s anger was kindled because he was going, and the Angel of Jehovah took His stand in the way as an adversary against him. Now he was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. . . . And when the donkey saw the Angel of Jehovah standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand, the donkey turned aside out of the way and went into the field. And Balaam struck the donkey to turn her back into the way. . . . Then the Angel of Jehovah stood in a narrow path between the vineyards, with a wall on this side and a wall on that side. . . . And when the donkey saw the Angel of Jehovah, she pressed herself against the wall and crushed Balaam’s foot against the wall. So he struck her again. . . . And the Angel of Jehovah went further and stood in a narrow place, where there was no way to turn either to the right or to the left. . . . And when the donkey saw the Angel of Jehovah, she lay down under Balaam. Then Balaam’s anger was kindled, and he struck the donkey with his staff. . . . And Jehovah opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times? . . . And Balaam said to the donkey, Because you have mocked me! If I had a sword in my hand, I would have killed you by now. . . . And the donkey said to Balaam, Am I not your donkey on which you have ridden all your life to this day? Have I ever been accustomed to do so to you? And he said, No. . . . Then Jehovah opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the Angel of Jehovah standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand, and he bowed his head and fell on his face." See that... God caused a "...donkey..." to speak... Read it again... "And Jehovah opened the mouth of the donkey..." (Num. 2:28). And what is this "...donkey..."? 2 Peter 2:16... "...But had reproof for his own transgression: a dumb beast of burden, uttering with a man's voice, restrained the madness of the prophet." According to scripture, a donkey is "...a dumb beast of burden...". And God caused this "...a dumb beast of burden..." to speak "...with a man's voice..." and in doing so "...restrained the madness of the prophet." Wonderful... But nothing changed regarding the "...donkey...", and it being "...a dumb beast of burden...". The "...donkey..." speaking, because God"...opened..." its mouth, "...restrained the madness of the prophet..."... But the "...donkey..." remained a "...donkey...". I always enjoy listening to Melissa, as I think she is humble, straightforward, and, to the best of her capacity, fairly honest with what she says. Alisa is a bit more complicated... Possibly because of her background baggage... Her father being who he is... Her career as a Christian singer... The experience she had with her ex-pastor and the "...progressive..." direction he was taking people in... And of course the fame that resulted from her published books, podcasts, etc., etc., etc. Here's what caught my attention with Alisa... I heard her speak strongly against someone who was not holding to biblical scripture... What she said is that Christians have to stand on what biblical scripture presents... And I enjoyed her declaring that to the two other persons - men - who she was speaking with on the podcast. So much so that I went to her website and sent her a message to encourage her along the way that she had spoken about so boldly. And after hearing her that first time, I found her KZfaq channel, subscribed, and began listening to her KZfaq presentations. Unfortunately... I'm sorry to say... After listening to a few of her video presentations I realized that Alisa is somewhat off in her "...theology..."... Which is understandable... As she simply replaced the error of "...progressive Christianity..." with the error of traditional "... Christianity...". And I say this not to stand in judgment of her... But to simply point out what the truth of the matter is... I believe Alisa wants to speak the truth as presented in the Bible... But is struggling to do so because of who she is surrounding herself with... And this works itself out in her speaking. There is NOTHING good in Glennon Doyle's books... In which she is uplifting natural man to the level of God. To do so is simply the work of the devil... To whom we know our Lord and Savior - remember Him - declared, "...Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me, for you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of men." And that was the disciple, Peter, to whom the Lord was speaking... Yes, Jesus called Pater, "...Satan...". And He did so with no apology. And what would Jesus say to Glennon Doyle, in respect to what she writes in her books, Alisa... Melissa? As we read in biblical scripture... God can cause "...a dumb beast of burden..." to speak "...with a man's voice..." and in doing so "...restrained the madness of the prophet." Anyone can be "...a dumb beast of burden..." who God causes to speak "...with a man's voice..." and in doing so "...restrained the madness of the prophet.". But who wants to be "...a dumb beast of burden...". Especially when we can be a new creation... 2 Corinthians 5:17... "So then if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away; behold, they have become new." The call is to come out of her... Which simply means... Come out of our fallen old man and his love for the way of the world... Which, even as a little leaven... Spoils the whole batch. God has allowed the Roman Catholic religion to remain and thrive on this earth for almost 1,500 years... And yet it is and has always been, an abomination in God's eyes. If Glennon Doyle is an unsaved person, then according to scripture, there is nothing good in her, she's an enemy of God... And yes, she is even a fool, as only a fool says in their heart, “...There is no God...”. And God says, "...They are corrupt and commit abominable deeds...". And if Glennon Doyle is a saved person, and yet speaks what you both say she speaks... Then according to biblical scripture, meaning, according to God's breathed-out words... 2 Timothy 3:5... "...from these also turn away...". And... Romans 16:17... "...turn away from them...". And that's about all that any Christian believer needs to know... Who to have fellowship with... And who to mark as those to turn away from. We can surely pray for these types of people... But we should do so from a position/disposition of being turned away from them... Meaning... Not considering what they are saying, as being even in the least bit profitable. Amen.

Xtians should think twice about using the word "SLAVE" It reminds people that Yahweh had the time to forbid MIXED FABRICS and forbid SHELLFISH but when it came to SLAVERY, he just had to go with the "customs" and "practices" of the Near East region and prevailing times. LOL

Are u apart of. A group. Trying. To hurt. People. ?

So your the judge on her hey? By your self righteousness?

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Melissa doesn't like female empowerment and self love because it disagrees with the male dominated woman hating messages in the Bible which says only the barbaric, narcissist Yahweh, the father of Jesus, deserves your love, and your constant praise, and worship.