When Atheists Misread the Bible

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The Counsel of Trent

The Counsel of Trent

Күн бұрын

In this episode, Trent examines how some atheists falsely indict the Bible as evil or illogical because they didn’t read the text carefully.
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Inspiring Philosophy on Iron Chariots: • Was God Defeated by Ir...
Timestamps
00:00 - Introduction
00:48 - 1. All-powerful God can't beat iron chariots
04:33 - 2. Biblical abortion instructions
08:42 - 3. Biblical gang rape is okay?

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@michaelt5030
@michaelt5030 Жыл бұрын
Saying the Bible endorses rape and mutilation is like saying Breaking Bad is the heartwarming tale about the joys of cooking meth.
@grubblewubbles
@grubblewubbles Жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better. I think most Christians should watch breaking bad( if they're mature enough to handle it, that is), it's both supremely entertaining and has a powerful message.
@verbose9062
@verbose9062 Жыл бұрын
@@grubblewubbles And t1tties in the first episode =)
@thehungarywaffleinc.7775
@thehungarywaffleinc.7775 Жыл бұрын
@@verbose9062 😨
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
Why is Breaking Bad being promoted on a Catholic channel? Is the grillywubsubler089 a Satanist? More importantly though, why is Trent encouraging people to visit Inspiring Philosophy's channel? Not only is he not Catholic but he actively encourages people to tell lies and be dishonest then says it's a Christian thing to do.
@grubblewubbles
@grubblewubbles Жыл бұрын
@@extract8058 Where does IP tell people to lie and be dishonest?
@reyniknamyrion3557
@reyniknamyrion3557 Жыл бұрын
As a rule, if it happened in Judges you probably shouldn't do it.
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
Why is Trent encouraging people to visit Inspiring Philosophy a channel that says it's OK to tell lies ?
@Michael-bk5nz
@Michael-bk5nz Жыл бұрын
@@extract8058 So your argument is that if you agree with one thing a person says, then you have to agree with everything that person might say? Thomas Aquinas agreed with Aristotle's philosophy, yet Aristotle was a pagan, does that mean St. Thomas was a pagan?
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
@@Michael-bk5nz strawman fallacy. Please learn logic
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
@@Michael-bk5nz It's OK for people to not agree on every topic. The reason for my comment is that I want people to be aware that Inspiring Philosophy is encouraging sinful behavior and dishonesty; also, I genuinely want to know why Trent would tell people to visit a channel that promotes such immoral doctrines.
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
@@Michael-bk5nz is it possible for you engage with me more charitably without such aggressive vitriol ?
@gunsgalore7571
@gunsgalore7571 Жыл бұрын
As someone who has read all of Judges, I had always thought it went without saying that it was a depiction of a very dark time in Israel's history and was a condemnation of most of what happened. It's like saying "The Schindler's List" is evil because it's pro-Holocaust.
@Michael-bk5nz
@Michael-bk5nz Жыл бұрын
Brilliant analogy! The next time I am arguing with an atheist who refuses to acknowledge the difference between prescriptive and descriptive narration, I am going to use that example 'how could Stephen Spielberg, himself a Jew, direct such a pro-Nazi movie like Schindler's LIst?" If they don't get the point with that sarcastic example, they are simply beyond reasons.
@TheChuckfuc
@TheChuckfuc Жыл бұрын
Exactly, Judges documents a dark age in Israel.
@davidplummer2619
@davidplummer2619 11 ай бұрын
Remember a passage that appears in Judges at least twice, including right at the end that is in my view put there as a cue on how to interpret that book: "In those days there was no king in Israel. Every man did was right in his own eyes." Given that God was supposed to be their king, the verse means not even God was allowed to be their king then. ....yikes!!! (And by the way, Jephthah was a pinhead.)
@Ciprian-IonutPanait
@Ciprian-IonutPanait 4 ай бұрын
Israel had mostly went in cycles. God gives the people His blessings. The people in time not having adversities move away from God and do evil things. God sends a holy man to tell them to repent. They refuse and a tragedy comes upon them: either enslavement or famine or disease. Then the people repents God forgives them and gives them the blessings. This keeps happening until the time of Christ. That is Iesus tells them the parable of the vineyard workers and laments them saying Ierusalem Ieruusalem how many times I wanted to gather you like a hen under its wings and you did not want to. Also which prophets did your parents did not kill?
@hrvad
@hrvad 4 ай бұрын
My mother warned me that some people read the Bible like the Devil would.
@ConnieRossini
@ConnieRossini Жыл бұрын
Love how a 21st century atheist says the meaning of a Bible passage is "crystal clear" -- and no one in 2000 years has previously interpreted it that way.
@randomguy1453
@randomguy1453 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like protestants 😂
@carsonianthegreat4672
@carsonianthegreat4672 Жыл бұрын
@@randomguy1453 makes sense because modern western atheism was born out of English Protestantism
@EmberBright2077
@EmberBright2077 Жыл бұрын
​@@carsonianthegreat4672Except that it was actually born out of the skepticism based arguments of the counter reformers.
@EmberBright2077
@EmberBright2077 Жыл бұрын
​@@randomguy1453no
@randomguy1453
@randomguy1453 Жыл бұрын
@@EmberBright2077 but that's what protestants do, I would know, I used to be one! Lol
@TheCounselofTrent
@TheCounselofTrent Жыл бұрын
Hey everyone, mea culpa I left the wrong Bible verse up from 10:04-10:30. There also isn't an easy way to edit it out through YT editor. Oh well, pobody's nerfect.
@alexbernard8907
@alexbernard8907 Жыл бұрын
Love your intentional cock up, swapping the places of the N and P on nobody's perfect. I expect you've been getting comedy lessons from your lovely wife. God Bless, ps greetings from England
@johnthetenor
@johnthetenor Жыл бұрын
Be nerfect as your Heavenly Father is nerfect.
@Bigtunaproductions09
@Bigtunaproductions09 Жыл бұрын
Did you just have a stroke, Trent?
@donpaco6536
@donpaco6536 Жыл бұрын
You should pin this comment to the top.
@jeusmarcomascarina4102
@jeusmarcomascarina4102 Жыл бұрын
In miss carry part in Tagalog the woman will gain pain not the baby. Because there is no baby yet but a body part. Bahay Bata Hindi child.
@jendoe9436
@jendoe9436 Жыл бұрын
The whole point of Judges is that without a king and obedience to God, people do bad things. 🤦‍♀️ To paraphrase the whole thing, “man did what he thought was right in his eyes.” So it’s obvious to the audience that there was gonna be a lot of bad things happening because no one stuck to a moral code and just went off their own desires. Plenty of historical examples about where that mindset leads. I sometimes wonder if atheists and anti-Christians actually read the whole passage and book so they know the context of what’s happening. Not to mention an understanding of the time period where what we see as ‘barbaric’ now is actually the much kinder version compared to back then. The Israelites were living in tough times surrounded by hostile neighbors. Things happen beyond their control and they couldn’t always afford to be agreeable because that would mean certain death and suffering. For supposedly self proclaimed ‘intellectuals,’ they sure make some pretty flimsy statements and arguments.
@TheTenCentStory
@TheTenCentStory Жыл бұрын
For the longest time, I wrestled with the idea that humanity was getting better morally over time. I'm pretty sure that is an American bias.
@roseroselyne9045
@roseroselyne9045 Жыл бұрын
And also God is showing are judgments on each other are always not just.and it shows how are own bias to judgment will not be just as God's because of are own bias.
@chibu3212
@chibu3212 6 ай бұрын
@@TheTenCentStoryDefinitely a Western World/ Anglo-Sphere post-Enlightenment bias
@tirididjdjwieidiw1138
@tirididjdjwieidiw1138 2 ай бұрын
they nitpick the bible because they are acting in bad faith. They want a gotcha, not an actual intellectual debate.
@Jim-Mc
@Jim-Mc Жыл бұрын
I could have read that adultery part 1,000 times and abοrtiοn would have never entered my mind.
@HodgePodgeVids1
@HodgePodgeVids1 Жыл бұрын
Critics have a confirmation bias problem 😊
@TheTenCentStory
@TheTenCentStory Жыл бұрын
I was aware of the interpretation before ever reading the passage so the well was already poisoned.
@DorperSystems
@DorperSystems Жыл бұрын
It only can be interpreted that way if you read the NIV, which you shouldn't be doing anyway because its the NIV.
@Jim-Mc
@Jim-Mc Жыл бұрын
@@DorperSystems lol, good point
@Cklert
@Cklert Жыл бұрын
The only way one can possibly interpret it in such a way is that if the wife committed adultery, got impregnated, then slept with her husband to hide the fact. But it doesn't really make sense considering that the reward for innocence is fertility.
@killianmiller6107
@killianmiller6107 Жыл бұрын
Ironically Judges 19-21 is among my favorite OT stories because of how visceral it is and how it shows just how depraved we can be when everyone does what is right in his own eyes. It sold me this idea “the way things are is not the way things are meant to be.” I also kind of found it funny how many parallels there were to Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis, the go-to example of moral depravity for Jews. We have traveling visitors to a wicked city, they are taken in by one resident who strongly urges them to not remain in the town square, then all the men of the city surround the house to violate the visitors, the homeowner offers women in the house instead of the men, but they do not listen. What follows is the family fleeing the city, the city’s inhabitants and its lands are destroyed, and then it finishes with yet another sexual immorality to repopulate (Lot’s daughters drug and rape their father, Benjamin first gets women from Jabesh-Gilead who’s men didn’t go to the Israelite assembly, then kidnaps dancing women of Shiloh).
@Cklert
@Cklert Жыл бұрын
What's interesting is that this is the reoccurring theme essentially for the entire Old Testament. The entirety Hebrew Bible is the story Jews, who are favored by God but continuously disobey him despite being given multiple chances to correct themselves. Until the very end where God splits and then destroys the kingdoms. The OT is a work of humility, not boastfulness.
@albertito77
@albertito77 Жыл бұрын
"Intelligent" Atheists cant tell the difference from descriptive and prescriptive texts. Really guys?
@j.m.turner1756
@j.m.turner1756 Жыл бұрын
I had actually never heard of the "iron chariots" claim, but I find it hard to believe that Dan Barker, who was a preacher for almost 20 years, never bothered to read the entire Book of Judges. Pray for him.
@paolobagatella8556
@paolobagatella8556 Жыл бұрын
And on top of that it's linguistically situated. I read the Bible in Italian and I recently started reading Judges. Chapter 1 Verse 19 in Italian is: "Il Signore protesse invece Giuda nella conquista della zona montuosa: Giuda non riuscì a vincere gli abitanti della pianura, perché essi avevano carri di ferro". A rough translation is: "Instead, the Lord protected Judas during the conquest of the mountains: Judas could not defeat the inhabitants of the plains, because they were equipped with iron chariots". It's just a matter of wording.
@ZTAudio
@ZTAudio Жыл бұрын
😊You’ll find a striking degree of Biblical illiteracy among many atheists.
@forresthenry9535
@forresthenry9535 Жыл бұрын
This is, at least in my understanding, an instance of malicious and intentional falsehood, this what irritates me to high Heaven.
@Michael-bk5nz
@Michael-bk5nz Жыл бұрын
@@ZTAudio This is because many atheists are former fundamentalists, thus they never really learned how to read the Bible, and they apply the same out-of-context verse slinging knight's jump exegesis they learned in their life as a fundamentalist
@MyMy-tv7fd
@MyMy-tv7fd Жыл бұрын
perhaps Dan Barker is deliberately misreading, he probably is a hypocrite and a liar, turncoat atheists and atheists in general are all morally low and two-faced in my experience
@countrycoffeecup7772
@countrycoffeecup7772 Жыл бұрын
Saying Judges is evil is like saying Grand Theft Auto is evil because is “Pro violence and pro crime.”
@MarkLewis...
@MarkLewis... 11 ай бұрын
GTO is being, promoting, and rewarding evil behavior.... Judges is showing evil and the consequences of those actions, when you follow your selfish desires over established morality. You may want to learn discernment and lose the hubris.
@harrylong575
@harrylong575 6 ай бұрын
(I'm presuming you're not being sarcastic.) GTA is most definitely evil! You murder, rob, plunder, and go to strip clubs to abuse naked ladies. I'm 19 and played GTA a handful of times back before I became Christian. Even so, even if the game weren't so explicitly evil and depraved, video games in general, however fun they may be, tend to err on the side of vanity. My recommendation, and dare I say, God's will for you, is to stop entertaining any idea of playing that game. That may come off a bit strong, especially if don't play GTA and were only making a point. But I truly believe and fear that such games are exceptionally worldly and fall into the "lawlessness" Jesus talks about in Matthew 7:23 (NKJV).
@countrycoffeecup7772
@countrycoffeecup7772 6 ай бұрын
@@harrylong575 Oh, I agree that GTA is evil. Just not for the reason I said. I was making a point. But not all video games are vain. What about Five Nights at Freddy’s, Subnautica, or Stardew Valley?
@Michael-bk5nz
@Michael-bk5nz Жыл бұрын
You're being polite, at least 90% of the time, the people making these claims don't misunderstand, they are intentionally lying. Never attribute to ignorance that which is more easily explained as a result of mailice.
@catholicfemininity2126
@catholicfemininity2126 Жыл бұрын
And then the people who read it don't even bother looking it up to make sure it's true. Jesus help us.
@csongorarpad4670
@csongorarpad4670 Жыл бұрын
yet it is a sin to rashly judge somebody's intention. We are to give everybody the most charitable interpretation we can.
@Michael-bk5nz
@Michael-bk5nz Жыл бұрын
@@csongorarpad4670 it is literally the exact opposite of a rash judgment. When someone is super smart and sophisticated except when the topic turn into a complete blithering idiot, it is not charitable to interpret it as ignorance. Some people are too smart to be so stupid, that is evidence of malice
@SuperBossGiovanni
@SuperBossGiovanni Жыл бұрын
I think you got that saying backwards. "Never ascribe malice to that which could be more easily be stupidity" Aka, don't assume that someone is evil, assume they're stupid"
@Michael-bk5nz
@Michael-bk5nz Жыл бұрын
@@SuperBossGiovanni not when there is no evidence of stupidity but great evidence of malice. Richard Dawkins has a PhD and is a very good writer, is he stupid or malicious, which seems more likely? Which is why I intentionally reversed it. When someone is a known liar, it is irrational to assume ignorance
@banmancan1894
@banmancan1894 Жыл бұрын
I’m kind of blown away by point 3 and how people would assume that the fact that if it’s put in the Bible, therefore it’s condoned in the Bible. Many years ago I admittedly did assume that about the Bible. However, all I needed to do is read it more to realize that wasn’t the case…and I’m talking 13 years old here.
@VindensSaga
@VindensSaga Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I have noticed it too. Just because it is in the bible they assume it is endorsed/condoned. I just facepalm myself so hard whenever I hear it.
@Yamyatos
@Yamyatos 11 ай бұрын
How do you know what is supposed to be actual instructions, and just "other stuff" in the bible then? For example, Exodus 21 gives clear instructions for how to treat slaves. Not only does it condone slavery, it gives a 101 guide on how to make sure you keep them for life. There is clear rules. Are you saying this is one of those cases where it's actually not condoned? So is this gods word or not? And most importantly, how do you make that distinction, and why cant the book which was supposedly dictated by an omniscient god, make that clear on its own? Because until just a couple decades ago, christians used the bible to justify keeping slaves. Among other things.
@banmancan1894
@banmancan1894 11 ай бұрын
@@Yamyatos Hello. TBH, I don't know any believer that finds the Bible to be directly "Dictated by God." Most versed believers hold to a verbal plenary view which holds that God inspired humans to write the Bible. There are clear authors in the Bible, stated within the Bible, so I don't think that view is very viable. Additionally, the authors wrote to a particular audience at a particular time. So the key is to try to understand the author's intent in congruence to their cognitive environment to best understand the text's function. On account of the Torah, understanding it as a functional system that was tentative to Israel (which also were keeping in line with the conventional law systems like the Code of Hammurabi/ divine representation) rather than using it as a modern moral framework for today. I would recommend The Lost World of The Torah by John Walton to understand this way of thinking of it better. If you're seriously curious about knowing which should be used for moral teaching today (which I would highly appreciate), I first recommend looking at the various forms of literature in the Bible. However, as a Christian, I naturally find that Christ's teachings, life, and those that flow from it are of the most fundamental importance. The NT demonstrates that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Torah(law) and that a new covenant is established, which includes non-Jews (like myself) into it, and therefore, in that sense, the NT takes precedence for us believers. (Links to passages supporting this divided by semicolons: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom+7%3A1-6&version=NASB; www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=eph+2&version=NASB; www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gal+3%3A15-29&version=NASB; www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=heb+8%3A7-13&version=NASB) Additionally, to the slavery points: just because someone uses a text to "justify" something doesn't mean it is actually justified by that text. For instance, It has been shown that slave owners literally took passages out of the Bible to attempt to justify their actions (E.G., "There is no slave or free....for all are one in Christ Jesus," "Masters, treat your bondservants justly and fairly, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven"). Additionally, even the ones they kept in are misrepresented because "slavery" in the Bible is far more similar to what we know as indentured servitude than it was to chattel slavery 158 years ago. People like Fredrick Douglass argued that the America he lived in that called itself "Christian" was very different from the Christians he knew from scripture, and he was absolutely right. Hope this all helps my friend.
@ogloc6308
@ogloc6308 5 ай бұрын
same here. Glory to God
@ogloc6308
@ogloc6308 5 ай бұрын
@@YamyatosIts extremely simple. You look for evidence that God either commands something or says what they did was righteous. You also check what passage you’re investigating with what you know about the rest of the scripture. If something happens that contradicts a command of God, then its not good. If you’re still not sure, you can read what church fathers and other theologians have said about the passage to gain more insight.
@Panwere36
@Panwere36 11 ай бұрын
How atheists "read the Bible" always exposes what is "in their hearts". Very often, what they accuse God of they themselves are guilty.
@voltekthecyborg7898
@voltekthecyborg7898 2 ай бұрын
Atheists who read the Bible do exactly that: they read it for their own pleasures, instead of actually taking time out of their day to ask themselves, "Well, what does that really mean?" Those who say to never question the Bible are lying. Question the Bible, meditate on each verse and each book, because when you ask questions, you will get answers
@Panwere36
@Panwere36 2 ай бұрын
@@voltekthecyborg7898 , then you have a problem, because every single atheist who "sought to destroy Christianity" that way has ended up its staunchest apologists. All offense to you, y0ou are absolutely full of it. I have little doubt you haven't read a single word of it, nor have you tried.
@torresart8513
@torresart8513 20 күн бұрын
They either don't know what the context is or just cherry-picked the verse so that their arguments seem like it's justified
@Panwere36
@Panwere36 20 күн бұрын
@@torresart8513 , exactly.
@specialedition3585
@specialedition3585 Жыл бұрын
The thing about abortions is super frustrating because it’s literally ONLY the 2011 NIV that states that and uses the word miscarry in that way. It’s only one iteration of one bible translation that states that and most people consider it to have been a fluke yet that is the verse people use to try to say the Bible defends abortion. That TYT clip even shows that they are citing the NIV.
@TboneWTF
@TboneWTF Жыл бұрын
Agreed, religion is a scam.
@maxx_q
@maxx_q 3 ай бұрын
I got the same meaning reading the KJV, it's clear regardless of the translator
@mickeylax9975
@mickeylax9975 Ай бұрын
@@maxx_qyou think “thigh fall away” means to miscarry? Come on.
@DigitalLogos
@DigitalLogos Жыл бұрын
Imagine reading bad things in the OT and thinking that they are anything other than warnings against straying from God
@angelalemos9811
@angelalemos9811 Жыл бұрын
😂😂 for real
@marvinpratt257
@marvinpratt257 Жыл бұрын
Until a better definition provided: God Proof/Evidence appears as...... The Bible "evidence" of a crime scene Biblical "Events" Proof of God/Christ...!! WISDOM, THE TEST OF ALL THINGS Truth overrides faith, and Wisdom judges both...!!
@MeatEatingVegan777
@MeatEatingVegan777 Жыл бұрын
Everything after the fall that is not in line with God's commands is immoral. It's as though some atheists and skeptics are reading the bible with half a braincell. Remember when lots daughters r*$#@ him in order to have children? That's immoral. Remember when Noah got drunk and passed out some time after the flood? Remember when Abraham had had a child with another woman because Sarah was barren? Those were all immoral actions, not condoned in the bible. Drunkenness is a sin, so is adultery, so is $&@&, and id argue incest too. Those stories are there to show the nature of man, how man behaves when going by his own reasoning, and what we end up doing either when we think we are right, or when we are weak. God keeps his promises, even though we sin and want our own way. Not every single story in the bible is meant to be approval for whatever is going on. You have to read a little deeper.
@TboneWTF
@TboneWTF Жыл бұрын
How do you no they aren't warnings?
@chrisb579
@chrisb579 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great explanations. Back when I was exploring atheism, I read a book that mentioned the story of the Levite and his concubine that concluded that the Bible condoned the behavior of the old man and the Levite. Even though I was a lapsed Christian, I could clearly see that wasn't the case (just look at what happens next in the story). I put the book down, never to open it again, because it was full of similar sorts of arguments.
@angelalemos9811
@angelalemos9811 Жыл бұрын
Yea when you talk to atheists. You talk mostly to fools
@briceidycierramarrujosmith4563
@briceidycierramarrujosmith4563 Жыл бұрын
It apparently does condone Lots actions of giving his daughters over to a mob though.
@Yamyatos
@Yamyatos 11 ай бұрын
Honest question, but how do you "explore atheism"? Atheism is nothing other than the rejection of a positive claim. People usually reach that conclusion upon researching their own religion in an intellectually honest way. Atheism is nothing else. Everything else is something else. We dont have holy scriptures, dogmas or anything like that.
@ungas024
@ungas024 10 ай бұрын
​@Yamyatos simply a rejection of deity is not atheism, clearly you don't know the history of modern day atheism, I'll give you a clue, it happen in france.
@Yamyatos
@Yamyatos 10 ай бұрын
@@ungas024 I dont care about what you think atheism is. You are wrong. Atheism itself is simply the rejection of the claim that a god / gods exist. That's it. Everything else is something else. You will find atheists that do claim that there is no god. That is a subset of atheists, for example, but does not apply to all atheists. It is thus something else (sometimes called strong atheism, or gnostic atheism). The prefix-a is a negation. A theist is a person who beliefs a god exists. An atheist is a person who does not believe a god eixsts. It's really not rocket science. "New atheism" which you may refer to is something else yet again. It is a subset too, but does not apply to all atheists. If you claim it does, i will hence forth argue that all christians are catholics - oh and since some of those are so well known for molesting children, i guess christians are all pedophiles too. Truly a logical conclusion.
@purplerose155
@purplerose155 5 ай бұрын
They really think the Bible is bad because it RECORDS the truth about evil while expressing rejecting those acts??
@legodavid9260
@legodavid9260 Жыл бұрын
The ending of Judges is a powerful powerful cautionary tale of what happens when God is rejected and the sinful human nature is left to run wild. We might think we are good people on our own and don't need God to guide our lives, but history has constantly proven that whatever we might think of ourselves, our nature still remains corrupt and imperfect. Only God is the one who can redeem and sanctify us from our own self-destruction.
@rgvonsanktpauli6250
@rgvonsanktpauli6250 Жыл бұрын
That awkward schadenfreude whenever Trent wrecks yet another silly straw man for the umpteenth time. (And grab “Hard Sayings”, folks -- it’s great.)
@trismegistus2881
@trismegistus2881 Жыл бұрын
It's interesting that the "Iron Chariots" atheist website, which is relatively sophisticated in itself, got its title from what is most likely such a silly misreading.
@rgvonsanktpauli6250
@rgvonsanktpauli6250 Жыл бұрын
@@trismegistus2881 One suspects it was a toss-up between that and “Bearded Dude Living on a Cloud.”
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
Can anyone here explain why Trent encourages people to visit the Inspiring Philosophy channel which is made by someone who not only is not Catholic, but also encourages people to tell lies and says that lying is a Christian thing to do?
@Michael-bk5nz
@Michael-bk5nz Жыл бұрын
@@extract8058 Enough of this silly argument that you are posting in every thread
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
@@Michael-bk5nz Do you understand that questions end in question marks? Please learn the difference between questions and arguments.
@cambleg
@cambleg Жыл бұрын
This is why you should read the Bible with a critical understanding above that of a sixth-grader. Judges 19-21 is so obviously a callback to the strikingly similar story in Sodom and Gomorrah, meaning the writer is very intentionally painting Israel at the time as being the same as a place so wicked God could no longer tolerate its existence. With only rudimentary literary skills and the understanding that ancient writers were every bit as clever as modern ones, you can avoid making absurd claims like the writer of Judges “saw nothing wrong with this.”
@trumpbellend6717
@trumpbellend6717 Жыл бұрын
When the God of biblical narratives allegedly destroyed Soddom and Gomorrah killing EVERYONE for being "immoral" ( including babies & children ) he spared Lot and his daughters. He discribed him as a "Righteous & Good man" But an omniscient god would know IN ADVANCE that Lot would immediately proceed to have intimate relations with HIS OWN DAUGHTERS 🤮🤮 not once but 2 nights running !!!! Are these the kind of morals we should aspire to ?? Do these people deserve to be called "RIGHTEOUS" and be spared when children are slaughtered for being "immoral" ?? Just what was their punishment from god for this act ? Fireballs from the skies ?? Turned to a pillar of salt ?? No, perhaps stoning to death was the punishment like when a man gathers stick on the wrong day of the week ?? Nope I remember now *NOTHING* for god obviously thought $ 3 X with your own daughters a misdemeanor in comparisons to the gathering of sticks. 🤮🤮
@KenMasters.
@KenMasters. Жыл бұрын
@@trumpbellend6717 Atheists are so stupid... Why bring up the sinful Lot as an example? He's a great example of what not to do as a Man of God. Lot was also seedy, he was willing to sell out his daughters to the sôdômîtês. For the record, no one is innocent unless they prove themselves worthy of righteousness. Wiping out babies and children were never much God's thing, but He knows what evil seeds that certain family trees will spread.
@mellieg.7543
@mellieg.7543 Жыл бұрын
I just subscribed today to help reach 100,000 by the end of the year!!
@HowToBeChristian
@HowToBeChristian Жыл бұрын
Hmmm… Lego being used in the thumbnail to entice the viewer to click on said thumbnail, because everyone loves Lego… where have we seen that before 🤔 [shakes fists and looks up to the sky] HORNNNNNNNNN!
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 Жыл бұрын
I saw no waffles….
@catholicismwow5406
@catholicismwow5406 Жыл бұрын
Your nemesis strikes again
@edgarleon6347
@edgarleon6347 Жыл бұрын
I've never thought that I'd see the day when one of the most disturbing bible sotries is depicted with Lego Minifigures
@CatholicWisdom
@CatholicWisdom Жыл бұрын
So happy that you made this video. At the end of the day, it’s a matter of depth: all these objections really lack depth.
@MathewSteeleAtheology
@MathewSteeleAtheology 9 ай бұрын
And yet there are plenty of objections that have all the depth anyone could want, and they are ignored or given ineffectual responses.
@CatholicWisdom
@CatholicWisdom 9 ай бұрын
@@MathewSteeleAtheology Sure, there are many deep objections and arguments. I’ve addressed this in my latest video on my channel.
@MathewSteeleAtheology
@MathewSteeleAtheology 9 ай бұрын
@@CatholicWisdom I'll watch that and get back to you. I have a few objections that almost no atheists make, so I'll see if you cover something similar.
@MathewSteeleAtheology
@MathewSteeleAtheology 9 ай бұрын
@@CatholicWisdom I do appreciate that you respond to many common atheist objections, however there are still far too many other objections against the foundations of theism that remain. For example, you appeal to Platonistic notions of truth and value, yet there is no rational justification for an abstract being able to exist in the absence of all matter and energy. A more justified explanation, I would argue, is that objective value is an idea we use as a frame of reference, and it does not actually exist outside of that frame. The notion of nothingness, for example, evokes the absence of things, but there's no rational justification for thinking that a state of complete nothingness has ever been possible. So much of theism is about what would be the case, IF... x, y, z. But that's far too often just a skip over the IS in favor of the OUGHT.
@CatholicWisdom
@CatholicWisdom 9 ай бұрын
@@MathewSteeleAtheology It’s all good. And, for people like me and you, it’s all so TRITE. We’ve heard this all, every argument and counter-argument, and at the end of the day, no one wins. No one can say “you are wrong because you don’t get it”. No one. So, let’s stick to our existential choices, and Bob’s your uncle. Nothing to do about it, mate. Nothing at all.
@youtubeKathy
@youtubeKathy Жыл бұрын
HI Trent, the abortion segment reminded me of something I heard recently on Zachary King's channel. That sorcery in the Bible pertains to abortionists. The greek of sorcery was pharmakeia, meaning potion maker, and that one such common potion was an abortive potion. Wondered if you could expand on this. thanks!
@snokehusk223
@snokehusk223 Жыл бұрын
Zachary King has a really sad but also heart warming story of his life. and what he is doing today is awesome.
@blindknitter
@blindknitter 5 ай бұрын
That's a great point - and in medieval times midwives in Europe who performed abortions were also witches.
@dylanschweitzer18
@dylanschweitzer18 Жыл бұрын
Great timing. On the Christian Podcast I co host "Identity Christ-is Podcast", we are revving up our "bible Contradictions" series and recording the 2nd episode on Friday. Great work as always Trent, love your stuff 😎❤️
@jamesbull236
@jamesbull236 Жыл бұрын
The confetti explosion at the beginning 😂 that was unexpected lol
@johnthetenor
@johnthetenor Жыл бұрын
Rise and shine, pumpkin Trent just dropped another Counsel.
@Tzimiskes3506
@Tzimiskes3506 Жыл бұрын
"If God real, why bad thing happen!?" 🤡 Checkmate, Christians.
@beorbeorian150
@beorbeorian150 Жыл бұрын
Your joking right?
@HodgePodgeVids1
@HodgePodgeVids1 Жыл бұрын
@@beorbeorian150 I’m pretty sure he’s being sarcastic
@beorbeorian150
@beorbeorian150 Жыл бұрын
After a very brief honest attempt at understanding The Bible and the Catholic faith, the atheist are nothing more than an angry dishonest 11 year old that does not want to get dressed nice for church. That is the level of their arguments.
@morlewen7218
@morlewen7218 Жыл бұрын
because he wills it to happen...
@djo-dji6018
@djo-dji6018 Жыл бұрын
​@@morlewen7218 No, He doesn't.
@maximillianjames7799
@maximillianjames7799 Жыл бұрын
I feel like now they are just gaslighting us. Very annoying
@imherwerdio6852
@imherwerdio6852 Жыл бұрын
12:50 was a really good point. I never thought about that before.
@rexgloriae316
@rexgloriae316 Жыл бұрын
We must always keep in mind that if see the truths in the Bible it's only due to the grace of God, lest we boast.
@ProjectMysticApostolate
@ProjectMysticApostolate Жыл бұрын
I tested the like button and it worked. Thanks Trent! ✝️♥️
@gunnerkobra
@gunnerkobra Жыл бұрын
Collab with IP when?
@HodgePodgeVids1
@HodgePodgeVids1 Жыл бұрын
Best power duo possible
@TheCounselofTrent
@TheCounselofTrent Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a great idea!
@aaronmueller5802
@aaronmueller5802 Жыл бұрын
​@@TheCounselofTrent I don't know if you have anything in mind, but doing something refuting Mormonism or Islam would be a great fit for both of you.
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
@@TheCounselofTrent if you do collab with IP (not sure why you would) could you press him on his awful claim that it's OK for Christians (or anyone for that matter) to tell outright lies ?
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
For those reading this thread and are unaware of what's being discussed here, IP stands for InspiringPhilosophy (a channel here on KZfaq) and the IP video I'm referring to is titled: "Is it always wrong to lie?"
@Burt1038
@Burt1038 Жыл бұрын
You'd have to really go out of your way in your ignorance in order to believe the Bible promotes all the behavior contained within its pages.
@edwardman1742
@edwardman1742 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Trent! Great vid as always! Can you do a video explaining the “word of faith” movement? -God bless.
@elitedrumlessons6174
@elitedrumlessons6174 Жыл бұрын
Great analysis!
@CatholicMashedPotats-vv8zf
@CatholicMashedPotats-vv8zf Жыл бұрын
First of all, the brick bible makes me pretty mad. As a kid, I was utterly obsessed with Legos. I would have easily grabbed that book and think it was amazing that there is a bible with Legos in it. That is so stupid (the purpose of the brick bible, not the concept of a Bible with Lego illustrations, that sounds kinda cool lol). As for the actual message of this message, I find it ironic that these guys try to use the Bible against us without researching the full extent of the context and what the church had interpreted it as.
@asmodeuszdewa7194
@asmodeuszdewa7194 11 ай бұрын
it may be lazy but in what way it's ironic?
@CatholicMashedPotats-vv8zf
@CatholicMashedPotats-vv8zf 11 ай бұрын
I guess it out be both.
@asmodeuszdewa7194
@asmodeuszdewa7194 11 ай бұрын
@@CatholicMashedPotats-vv8zf hypothetically it can be both but I can't see in what way (in this particular case) you find it ironic
@CatholicMashedPotats-vv8zf
@CatholicMashedPotats-vv8zf 11 ай бұрын
It’s a bit silly once I think of it. Some atheists just go “well actually, I went to 12 years of Catholic school so I think I’m right about what this one verse means.”
@maxx_q
@maxx_q 3 ай бұрын
Most of us do "research the full extent of the context" it's just that most Christian apologists go out of their way to avoid those atheists.
@andrewpatton5114
@andrewpatton5114 Жыл бұрын
I would also point out that the New Testament says that Jesus "could not work any great sign [in Nazareth], beyond healing a few sick people." If God was "unable" to drive out the people of the plain on account of their chariots of iron, it was because the people lacked sufficient faith, just as the Nazarenes lacked faith in Jesus.
@Vic2point0
@Vic2point0 7 ай бұрын
Well said. And even today, when you think about it, history books rarely articulate a moral judgment on whatever it is they're covering. You can read about the Nazis in a history book for example, and never once find a sentence like "These behaviors were wrong".
@trumpbellend6717
@trumpbellend6717 6 ай бұрын
In 1930's Germany both the Christians and the Jewish people held The Old Testament in common. The only thing that separated those being slaughtered from those doing the slaughtering was one groups ancestors rejected jesus as the Messiah. I will let you guess which group was which 😜
@Vic2point0
@Vic2point0 6 ай бұрын
@@trumpbellend6717 What's your point?
@trumpbellend6717
@trumpbellend6717 6 ай бұрын
@@Vic2point0 My "point" is humanity and society's as a whole can and do agree on a vast array of moral issues that have wellbeing and the values it incorporates at the heart. These are reflected in our laws murder rape theft ect are standard throughout societies (even secular ) For the most part, it's is only with respect to the concept of SIN ( percieved transgressions against the whims of subjective gods ) that the disagreement occur. Most people do NOT think it immoral for a female to uncover her hair in public or to not face a specific landmark and pray five times a day. Most people in the world are just fine with eating bacon, wearing clothing of mixed fabrics and even picking up sticks on any day of the week. We do NOT think that our unruly rebellious children who disobey their parents ( sounds like most teenagers to me ) are deserving of the death penalty and we recognise that an instruction to _"Buy your slaves from the heathen nations that surround you"_ could never represent guidance from a perfect omnibenevolent unifying moral standard. Im not speculating here or just giving you my "opinion" the above is all *FACT* regardless of the existence or non existence of ANY "God". Given this, should humanity adhere and aspire to the common values that unite us all and have real impacts on real people here in the real world. ? Alternatively should we continue on trying to impose the perceived whims of our own subjectively determined invisible "one true God" that divide humanity and have no positive impact on wellbeing that can't also be attained via secular morality ?? Come on surely we are better than this, the sooner the world throws out like old furniture these gods and their barbaric religious ideological baggage the better.
@Vic2point0
@Vic2point0 6 ай бұрын
@@trumpbellend6717 What do you mean by "subjective gods"? I should volunteer first of all that I'm not actually a theist myself (and it doesn't sound like you are), but that doesn't mean I assume there are no gods or that belief in one is equivalent to belief in another. Seems to me that if the Christian god were real and literal hell was at stake, for example, that would qualify as something pertinent to "real people in the real world". Similarly, if the Christian god were real, where's your argument for establishing he couldn't be omnipotent and good at the same time? In any case, what you present sounds like a false dilemma. You can concern yourself both with what you believe "god" wants and what your moral senses tell you. Or you can reject both theism and objective morality altogether (as plenty of anti-theists do).
@trumpbellend6717
@trumpbellend6717 6 ай бұрын
@@Vic2point0 Let me give you a scenario to demonstrate that moral "justification" and moral "good" do NOT depend on any "God" 👍 let's say the there is indeed a "creator god" and let's say we all become aware of this one true "creator God" and understand implicitly and precisely how he wants us to live our lives and the rules that govern this but .................. We also learn that following said rules would infact lead to humanity suffering an eternity of torture and suffering. 😱😱 Would it still be a "GOOD" thing to follow said rules ??? Would we be "justified" in following them ?? 🤔 *I would emphatically say NO to both questions* Indeed the total opposite would be the case following the rules would be a "BAD" thing and we would be entirely justified in NOT following them. This is because the words "Good" and "justified" in actuality refer to our desires with regard to "WELLBEING" and the actualization of a situation that conforms with said desires, regarding wellbeing and the values it incorporates. Now let's change our "God" to the Christian one, now we recognise that *EVEN IF* he exists and the things he tells us ( his laws ) would lead to an eternal paradise, it would only be "GOOD" to follow said laws because of their conforming with our perception of "WELLBEING" and we would only be "justified" in following said God if we determined this to be the case, so.......... We would be entirely "justified" in following a moral system based solely on wellbeing *UNTIL* a demonstration that a creator "God" EXISTS, we know specifically WHICH ONE out of the many thousands proposed is the "correct" one, that we have the "correct" interpretation of his wishes and laws ( 43,000 conflicting denominations just in Christianity ) and lastly that those wishes and laws conform to our perception of "Good" to "justify" this being mankind's moral reference standard. Now call me fussy but I don't think its "Good" to kill children for making fun of baldness ( as the biblical God did ) Nor to own people as "PROPERTY" for forced labour. For the life of me I can't see how the stoning to death of people who gather sticks on a sabath could ever be said to be "Good" 🤔 I could go on and on and on .....
@RedOblivion7
@RedOblivion7 Жыл бұрын
Hey Trent, when are you going to finish responding to Trey the Explainer's changes to the Bible part 2?
@powerlessburger
@powerlessburger Жыл бұрын
I died laughing when I saw Lego in the thumbnail
@TheCounselofTrent
@TheCounselofTrent Жыл бұрын
RIP -Kyle
@KayleePrince-we5pb
@KayleePrince-we5pb Жыл бұрын
@@TheCounselofTrent Would you say its obvious that the writer of Judges 19 is plagiarizing the writer of Genesis 19 ?
@KayleePrince-we5pb
@KayleePrince-we5pb Жыл бұрын
@@TheCounselofTrent How do you explain the situation in Numbers 31:17-18 which is very similar to the one described in Judges ?
@KayleePrince-we5pb
@KayleePrince-we5pb Жыл бұрын
@@TheCounselofTrent How do you explain Deuteronomy 21:10-14 which is literally god giving soldiers permission to abduct females from other nations complete with an instructed manual on how to prepare them for r ape ?
@hrvad
@hrvad 4 ай бұрын
I investigated the atheist claim that "LOL the Bible says pi is 3, how stoopid". Not that the Bible talks about pi at all ... Turns out that there's a description of an art object in the Bible, and if you read just the one verse, and do the math, the implication is that pi is 3. Of course, if you read the entire description of the object, it goes on to describe that it also has a brim the width of a hand's breath, which is 10 centimeters. Redo the calculations with the full info, and pi is deduced to be 3.14, which indicates that the biblical description of the object was in fact correct. Oops. Heck, I used to believe that, and I'm just astonished at how easily I and other atheists forgot to do a little critical thinking on this. But I think that atheism is a bit like Marxism in the sense that they just want to succeed at their activism. So they/I just read enough to find something to Dialectically criticize, then the search for truth stops.
@JerynToney
@JerynToney Жыл бұрын
A verse is a part of a paragraph, which is a part of a chapter, which is part of a book, which is part of the Bible, you can't just understand a verse without understanding its context. There are a whole lot of John316ists that prove this every day. Next time some Christian drops John 316 on you, ask them what 317 and 318 say, ask who is speaking in 316, to whom they were speaking, that person's significance, the significance of the setting in which that discussion took place, and the purpose of their discussion. - They in all likelihood will not be able to. It's like being assigned a book report by your teacher, and expecting a passing grade when all you read was a single sentence in the middle of the book.
@Snowmon89
@Snowmon89 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for helping me with that last one. I only recently learned what Judges was actually about (documenting the fall of morality in Israel without God). This particular story had been brought up quite a few times in the past and I never had a good answer outside of simply saying that God never approved nor commanded such things. Now I can say it with actual confidence and understanding. So thank you.
@vedinthorn
@vedinthorn Жыл бұрын
Even if the "abortion" verse had been understood and translated just fine, it's a curse. It's a bad thing. That should tell us we don't WANT this to happen.
@christopherquinn5899
@christopherquinn5899 Жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Keep it up.
@MrMarkjams
@MrMarkjams 6 ай бұрын
Trent, thank you for the work you do.
@crossilde
@crossilde 11 ай бұрын
With all of the graphic content mentioned in the bible have they ever condemned the hardships, torture and death of Jesus? Unbelievers are just trying to take everything out of context
@taylorthetunafish5737
@taylorthetunafish5737 11 ай бұрын
What about all those verse on slavery? The bible says I can kidnap young girls and keep them as sex slaves for their entire life.
@bestlifenow777
@bestlifenow777 Жыл бұрын
Excellent work Trent! #1 the books of the bible were not written for unbelievers but for those who's eye's are open to God's Will and authority over their lives. Therefor an atheist who is very comfortable in their sin will not get the message, even if they read the bible 100 times lol! It is only until God has humbled us will we take the step to read the Scriptures and discover what the Church teaches.
@jjgeoffphhcinkkllee
@jjgeoffphhcinkkllee Жыл бұрын
I don't bend over for Yahweh the Hebrew sky creep.
@coleworld2429
@coleworld2429 6 ай бұрын
if god has a will and authority how is there free will for us
@bestlifenow777
@bestlifenow777 6 ай бұрын
@@coleworld2429 God created us with free will so that we could freely choose Him and freely choose to align our wills with His Will out of love for Him. He wants our love and obedience but He wants it to be real, not fake or mindless. That is why we have free will.
@maxx_q
@maxx_q 3 ай бұрын
So everyone starts out as believers, from the womb, and has no obligation toward atheism? Or as unbelievers, and can't understand the Word because they are atheists? I've heard that argument before, and it's just plain wrong. Lot of atheists believe as they do by simply reading the Bible for the purpose of understanding.
@isaacmarshmallow8751
@isaacmarshmallow8751 Жыл бұрын
Judges 17-21 is set Chronologically before the first Oppression. Note Joshua 19:47 is a really condensed version of Judges 18. All 5 if those chapters parallel the account with Achan and Ai
@jonlannister345
@jonlannister345 3 ай бұрын
It's weird how people these days have reached a level of brainlessness that they'll say that simply mentioning something implies endorsement even when it's mentioned in the context of condemning it.
@kingleary1829
@kingleary1829 Жыл бұрын
If these atheists wrote a book report about the Great Gatsby they’d say it was about a green Egg.
@Theo_Skeptomai
@Theo_Skeptomai Жыл бұрын
Why do you need to disparage atheists such as I? Please explain.
@1Corinthians13.4_7
@1Corinthians13.4_7 Жыл бұрын
​@Theo Skeptomai Because most of you atheists are dishonest when it comes to biblical truth I'm not saying you are directly, I am just citing the majority
@Adrian-si1gz
@Adrian-si1gz 5 ай бұрын
@@Theo_SkeptomaiMy man you need to work on your reading comprehension as well he is talking about the people in the video.
@menta617
@menta617 Жыл бұрын
Loved the video Trent! If this is planned to be a series called “Biblical Misunderstandings,” I think it would be worthwhile to talk about Semitic context and how it is lost when we try and read it solely from a Western 21st century point of view. Ex: The idea of choosing Heaven or Hell gives many a comical Greek mythology view of Heaven. A lot of the confusion is when people detach Heaven and Eternal Life. “Going to Heaven” gives the impression that just a belief in the Trinity is enough to go to Heaven, but even demons know that. The goal of Christian life is Theosis, that is union with God. Christ says by receiving Him in the Most Holy Sacrament, we will have Eternal Life and those who willingly do not, will not have Eternal Life. God will respect our free will to not be cleansed, and so when he loves us, it will be like receiving medicine that can only help us when other conditions have been healed. Ex2: The terms “love” and “hate” in the Bible that can mean a hierarchy of things. Matthew 8:26 “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.“ It translates roughly to not worship your family in the place of God. I was talking to some friends who speak Arabic and Eastern Syriac and they agreed that it’s weird how non-Semitic people don’t listen to them, when they were the first to be evangelized by the Apostles and understand some of these nuances. Maybe you could get in touch w/Subdeacon Daniel Kakish or another Syriac Christian to emphasize these Semitic roots of the Bible.
@toddjohnson271
@toddjohnson271 7 ай бұрын
How do you interpret Exodus 21? Or do we avoid that one?
@unoriginalclips9923
@unoriginalclips9923 4 ай бұрын
He said to them, *“For your hardness of heart* Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. Matthew 19:8 Same is applicable with Old Covenant slave laws.
@johngalt6838
@johngalt6838 4 ай бұрын
@@unoriginalclips9923 How to beat your slave.......Gods word
@unoriginalclips9923
@unoriginalclips9923 4 ай бұрын
@@johngalt6838 Go complain to the Jews about that, they’re the ones who think it is still enforced. Most of the Old Testament doesn’t even apply to Christians anymore. Also, those were temporary measures and never even supported by God, and were actually quite lenient for the time, in a world where slavery wasn’t even regulated and many slaves were probably beaten to death.
@Alexander-fr1kk
@Alexander-fr1kk Жыл бұрын
Love your videos!!!
@miriba8608
@miriba8608 Жыл бұрын
They misread on purpose. Hoping the person they are talking to doesn't know better.
@alisterrebelo9013
@alisterrebelo9013 Жыл бұрын
True. I've also thought that Athiests are allergic to the Truth. It is much harder to deny the truth after you've had a full understanding of it. And the best way to protect oneself psychologically is to only expose yourself partially to the Truth.
@kellystone7501
@kellystone7501 Жыл бұрын
​@@alisterrebelo9013'they' refers to Christians, right? Might want to clarify the pronouns next time.
@alisterrebelo9013
@alisterrebelo9013 Жыл бұрын
@@kellystone7501 Thanks Kelly. I've fixed my previous post now. Having been an atheist myself for over 16 years as an adult, and having spent some time in online apologetics, I don't throw out statements without thought and consideration. I'll also defend my claims. So if you want to have a go at it, be my guest.
@discoveringthegardenofeden7882
@discoveringthegardenofeden7882 Жыл бұрын
The Book of Judges would be misinterpreted far less frequently if the last sentence of the book had been put at the very beginning. The attention span of atheists isn't very great.
@iqgustavo
@iqgustavo 10 ай бұрын
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🤖 Atheists misread Bible passages due to lack of careful analysis. 01:08 🛡️ Misunderstanding of Judges 1:19; God's power not limited by iron chariots. 02:31 💼 Proper interpretation: Judah's failure, not God's inability to defeat iron chariots. 04:47 🤖 Misconceptions about Bible's stance on abortion; misinterpretation of Numbers 5:11-31. 06:38 🤨 Numbers 5 focuses on infertility, not miscarriage; no mention of unborn child. 08:42 😬 Misinterpretation of Judges 19-21; passage depicts moral decline, not endorsement. 12:49 😮 Judges serves as a warning about rejecting God's authority; not an instruction manual.
@joshuarose20
@joshuarose20 11 ай бұрын
Explain to me how I am misreading exodus 21:20-21?
@saeyabor
@saeyabor Жыл бұрын
It's very, VERY common for pseudo-intellectuals of all stripes to conflate portrayal with endorsement.
@nickmedley4749
@nickmedley4749 Жыл бұрын
It’s a tendency in atheist arguments to treat ancient people and their interpretations with contempt.
@Theo_Skeptomai
@Theo_Skeptomai Жыл бұрын
What is an 'atheist argument'? Please present an example of one.
@nickmedley4749
@nickmedley4749 Жыл бұрын
@@Theo_Skeptomai An example I’ve heard. “The Bible was written by stupid, ignorant savages across hundreds of years, why should we believe it?”
@Cklert
@Cklert Жыл бұрын
@@Theo_Skeptomai "Why should we believe in superstitious bronze age farmers"
@Theo_Skeptomai
@Theo_Skeptomai Жыл бұрын
@@nickmedley4749 That is an assertion, not an argument. What is an example of an argument?
@Theo_Skeptomai
@Theo_Skeptomai Жыл бұрын
@The TyRant That is a question, not an argument. What is an example of an argument?
@ericgatera7149
@ericgatera7149 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Trent. Just to point out that on minutes 10:30, the verse that appears on screen do not correspond to what you are saying. You may want to edit and correct it. Thanks
@johnbartholomew2381
@johnbartholomew2381 Жыл бұрын
Trent is rock solid - Truth teller.
@captainboon2978
@captainboon2978 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to add on to that last part of the video: if a historian isn't condemned for his historical account of past events then why should it be any different for the authors of the bible?
@anthonydelange4128
@anthonydelange4128 Жыл бұрын
True that
@joenathan8059
@joenathan8059 Жыл бұрын
That's what numbers meant? Thx for clearing this up,I was still unsure about this passage
@TheTenCentStory
@TheTenCentStory Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had already heard the abortion interpretation before ever reading it. So when I did read the passage it didn't make any sense.
@colton_arduini
@colton_arduini Жыл бұрын
There's way more than these 3 but I've never heard these 3 so thank you
@manueldejesusrojassandi3919
@manueldejesusrojassandi3919 Жыл бұрын
"In that time, there was no king in Israel. Every man did what was right in their eyes.". Atheism in a nutshell.
@biancadukes5311
@biancadukes5311 8 ай бұрын
Atheism did not exist back then. People still do whatever they want regardless if they believe a god exist or not. There is no stark difference between an atheist and a Christian when it comes to morality.
@manueldejesusrojassandi3919
@manueldejesusrojassandi3919 8 ай бұрын
I agree with the first statement. But the following two are at least debatable. People that desire to follow God's will participate and also avoid certain behaviors that someone that doesn't believe in God has no real reason to, except their own will.
@maxx_q
@maxx_q 3 ай бұрын
And we're seeing the horrible effects of an atheistic majority today - modern medicine, industrialization, mechanized transport, etc. Crazy how the Bible writers exploited a power vacuum at the time to label everyone "godless" to further the idea that godlessness equates to anarchy - of which we see the exact opposite today.
@hankkingofmischief4372
@hankkingofmischief4372 Жыл бұрын
I remember the brick Bible. He tried to present the stories in the worst ways possible
@alienvisitor8393
@alienvisitor8393 10 ай бұрын
when I read the rape story I wondered what life lessons we were supposed to gain from this, never realized it was about what we should NOT do after abandoning God furthermore what happens if we abandon God in the first place
@jadeparisi7814
@jadeparisi7814 5 ай бұрын
i have to say I have a funny story about that last ppoint. so when I was around 8 or so my family was on a road trip and i was bored and flipping through the hotel bible I found and I somehow out of all the stories I knew and loved I landed on that one and it freaked me out but for years no one belived me that it was a story of the bible so I thought I was just making it up! (I do read the bible but before just recently it would be finding stories or verses that people recomendd and just now am I working on reading the bible in full and I havent gotten to judges yet )
@stefanmilicevic5322
@stefanmilicevic5322 Жыл бұрын
Trent, addressing some verses that antitheists and atheists misread and misconstrue, will take an infinite amount of time. I suggest going to the root of it all, namely decontextualization, confirmation bias, prejudice, lack of genuine engagement, eisegesis, etc.
@DorperSystems
@DorperSystems Жыл бұрын
look up "Skeptics Annotated Bible Answered" by Berend de Boer. He has literally answered every single "contradiction" and "absurdity" in the Bible. It's a great reference because many Atheists source their arguments from the SAB in some way.
@ChiaraDBrown
@ChiaraDBrown Жыл бұрын
Gosh, even if that passage did refer to abortion, how in the world is that supporting and encouraging abortion? It is a horrible punishment for doing something bad!
@JustStop19
@JustStop19 3 ай бұрын
Atheists can't understand subtext and metaphors? I am shocked, shocked! Well, noi that shocked...
@chernobylcoleslaw6698
@chernobylcoleslaw6698 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff!
@mauromondin
@mauromondin Жыл бұрын
I am brazilian, so I speak portuguese. In the past, when we referred to God, we used capital letter in pronouns (Ele=He, Seu=His), but it is not common nowadays. It was useful to understand better the text. Does this practice exist in english? By the way, as this channel is very interesting and important for catholics all over the world, have you ever thought about putting subtitles in languages like french, italian, spanish and portuguese? Would it be difficult to do that?
@MarkLewis...
@MarkLewis... 11 ай бұрын
If I understand your question correctly, yes. When the English translated Bible refers to God by a masculine pronoun, it uses the uppercase He/Him/His, but for other people, no matter their stature, masculine pronouns are lowercase. Did that answer your question?
@carlborneke8641
@carlborneke8641 Жыл бұрын
I’m an Atheist but I still respect the Bible and Christians. While I haven’t read much of the book myself there’s one very important lesson that I decided to take to heart. Don’t be a DI#K. Just treat others well and don’t think that you are more important than others.
@serpentsepia6638
@serpentsepia6638 Жыл бұрын
You should consider taking a Bible study class at your local Catholic church if you're at all interested in learning about the Bible. Also I recommend looking into a book titled, Jesus; The Way, The Truth And The Life by Marcellino D'Ambrosio, published by Ascension. You can get it with a workbook too if you're further interested. In my opinion, not knowing the Bible is today's form of illiteracy. What I mean is, how can you believe or not believe in God if you haven't studied the Bible in some way? I know that you respect the Bible and Christians but maybe you'll have a whole new perspective of life if you learn the Bible and understand that it's about Hebrew culture, and not to be taken so literal as the Protestants like to do.
@pandaman2840
@pandaman2840 Жыл бұрын
⁠​⁠@@serpentsepia6638I would argue a lack of knowledge on a subject doesn't mean you can't choose to believe or not believe. Have you read the Qur'an or other religious scriptures from around the world? Should you have to read other scriptures in order to follow god, or will the bible be the only logical choice? But I agree, if anyone has interest in theology the source material can be really intriguing and fun to study. Personally the Qur'an was the most 'fun' read of the three Abrahamic religions for me, but I also acknowledge reading/studying different scriptures isn't exactly an easy/convenient task to fit into ones schedule.
@serpentsepia6638
@serpentsepia6638 Жыл бұрын
@@pandaman2840 I would say, if you want to know about X religion then you should at least read their scriptures and understand their context or else you wouldn't fully know what or who it is you're studying and/or worshiping. For instance, if you want to know God, then you read and study the Bible. If you want to debate the Bible, or at least some of the books within, then you at least should be familiar with it. However, If you don't believe in God and you don't want to read the Bible then fine that's your right. But if someone wants to argue over Christianity and Jesus and has never bothered to read the Bible then he or she isn't going to know what they're talking about. They'll come across as ignorant, because they're just going to cherry pick Bible quotes willy-nilly and their argument wouldn't make sense. On the flip-side, most religious people are known for cherry-picking Bible quotes, because they're just as ignorant as the non-believers. And unfortunately, this has been happening for centuries, even before the Reformation. To study the Bible, people need to learn ancient Hebrew culture and the Hebrew culture during the time of Jesus and the apostles, including Roman culture up to Nero. I'm not saying you have to be an academic or anything, just that at least know what it is that you're arguing for and against when debating the Bible or any other religion's holy book/scriptures etc. I took Bible study once a week for three months just to learn the basics and I learned enough to know that reading up on the culture of the time makes a huge difference. I apologize if this is long winded, I just wanted to be sure to get my point across.
@Yamyatos
@Yamyatos 11 ай бұрын
@@serpentsepia6638 Have you studied Islam? Hinduism? Buddhism? The other *literally 5000 actively practiced religions?* If not.. how can you not believe in their gods? Kinda honest question, actually. This seems like a huge double standard. I reject your god for the same reason your reject the tens of thousands of others. None of them meet any kind of standard for evidence. I cant chose what to believe. My brain wont let me. It's not "designed" to work that way, which is funny if in reality someone actually wanted it to work just like that, but then decided to give too little evidence and punish its creation for working as designed. That would be kinda silly. What religion you follow is for the most part decided on birth, based on the country, community and family you are born into. Which is random. And they all think they are right.
@davepugh2519
@davepugh2519 11 ай бұрын
Why would you respect a book that tells you to hate homosexuals and says that women are literally worth less than men?
@murattanyel1029
@murattanyel1029 6 ай бұрын
@2:04 I always assumed "he" referred to Judah. Let's see what Trent will say.
@maybe.unknown
@maybe.unknown Жыл бұрын
what about noahs arc and heaven and hell arguments?
@Mark-cd2wf
@Mark-cd2wf Жыл бұрын
Interesting critique from John Loftus, whose first step away from faith in God (by his own admission) was an adulterous affair that lasted for months. Just because the Bible _describes_ something doesn’t mean it _prescribes_ it.
@alang.bandala8863
@alang.bandala8863 Жыл бұрын
Am an atheist, but even I can understant the meaning of the new testament (personally I prefer the old one, but just for being more complex and diverse on the stories)
@BasiliscBaz
@BasiliscBaz Жыл бұрын
That why you should read IT whit eyes and brain no whit drugs
@mikeryan3701
@mikeryan3701 Жыл бұрын
In 1887, Oscar Wilde wrote: “Indeed, in many respects, she was quite English, and was an excellent example of the fact that we have really everything in common with America nowadays, except, of course, language.” So we say that somebody did something on Thursday whereas Americans miss out the ‘on’. And we say that somebody debated something with somebody while Americans miss out the ‘with’. However, the way things are going, Wilde’s statement will be out-of-date by 2087.
@MACHO_CHICO
@MACHO_CHICO Жыл бұрын
I’d love for Trent to do a video on the more difficult parts of the Bible such as 1 Samuel 15 and Joshua 6-8, where infants are seemingly explicitly ordered to be killed.
@henrythejames7
@henrythejames7 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure he already has
@twitherspoon8954
@twitherspoon8954 Жыл бұрын
_"I’d love for Trent to do a video on the more difficult parts of the Bible such as..."_ Yet you literally worship ritual human sacrifice.
@soulcutterx13
@soulcutterx13 Жыл бұрын
​@@twitherspoon8954I'm confused. Did you think that Roman crucifixion was a religious rite?
@HodgePodgeVids1
@HodgePodgeVids1 Жыл бұрын
@@twitherspoon8954 You’re that spammer
@DigitalLogos
@DigitalLogos Жыл бұрын
One could take a spiritual reading of it as talking about killing the passions in their infancy before they grow into a vice or sin.
@VACatholic
@VACatholic Жыл бұрын
Interesting that he's quoting the Protestant YEC James B Jordan.
@dignusferox2570
@dignusferox2570 Жыл бұрын
10:10 fyi the wrong passage appears on screen
@JaredScott
@JaredScott 5 ай бұрын
Maybe it’s a generational thing but myself and many others my age find it confusing when the Bible doesn’t explicitly say “this is bad”. It wasn’t until a few years ago that it was explained to me that if it’s not explicit, but clearly says in previous books that it’s wrong that you’re suppose to understand that this is not condoned. Seriously this trips up lots of people
@danvankouwenberg7234
@danvankouwenberg7234 Жыл бұрын
I can barely bring myself to acknowledge Atheism.
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
You mean to acknowledge it exists? Or to acknowledge it's false claims?
@catholicfemininity2126
@catholicfemininity2126 Жыл бұрын
@@extract8058 I take it as athiests exist, atheism doesn't make sense, and if to some it does make sense, it's a hopeless, empty, nihilistic, depressing belief.
@danvankouwenberg7234
@danvankouwenberg7234 Жыл бұрын
@@catholicfemininity2126 gets it.
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
@@danvankouwenberg7234 I was asking you, but judging from your comment to the other commenter I didn't ask I'm guessing he articulated for you what you couldn't. I just noticed you capitalized atheism in your OP for some reason even though most atheists refuse to capitalize God. I find this strange especially since atheism isn't a proper noun.
@extract8058
@extract8058 Жыл бұрын
@@catholicfemininity2126 what is Catholic Femininity? Are you a feminist?
@theperson4yearsago565
@theperson4yearsago565 Жыл бұрын
I used to be atheist
@kellystone7501
@kellystone7501 Жыл бұрын
I used to be stardust.
@Ciprian-IonutPanait
@Ciprian-IonutPanait 4 ай бұрын
5:40 the whole point is that the water is not toxic. The curse causes abortion only if the woman was unfaithful.
@Grandlett
@Grandlett Жыл бұрын
Who knew Mr. Lahey was an ex pastor?
@DoctorLazertron
@DoctorLazertron Жыл бұрын
Things being normalized in a society does not indicate an endorsement by God
@Theo_Skeptomai
@Theo_Skeptomai Жыл бұрын
Would not a god need to be a _reality_ in order to provide an endorsement?
@DoctorLazertron
@DoctorLazertron Жыл бұрын
@@Theo_Skeptomai whether or not He is presumed to be real by the critic, the endorsement by God would be the basis for the assumption that the events of the Bible in themselves reflect on the moral character of those who believe in it
@Theo_Skeptomai
@Theo_Skeptomai Жыл бұрын
@DoctorLazertron Music Would not a god need to be a _reality_ in order to provide an endorsement? IOW, can a mythological deity provide its own endorsement?
@hansdemos6510
@hansdemos6510 Жыл бұрын
The explanation in this video of the so-called ordeal of the bitter water in Numbers 5 does not take into account the possibility that if the woman were pregnant but not yet showing or even aware of it herself, and is "rendered infertile" by the "bitter water" and the curse of the priest, then by definition she must have miscarried as a consequence of the procedure. This may be a rare case, but the risk of this happening is not zero, and another word for an "induced miscarriage" is an abortus provocatus, or "abortion" in plain English. The Israelites and their God knew about the birds and the bees, and so this divinely ordained procedure must be considered as at the very least condoning abortion, or taking it into the bargain. The excuse that God can kill who he will is lame. The point here is not that we can "play God" or "kill babies" or whatever; the point is that you can't justify your opposition to abortion with the Bible.
@thegamesninja3119
@thegamesninja3119 Жыл бұрын
Maybe also God also didn't want Israel to keep tangling with Iron chariots. Also, even if it were God could not, the question would be why not.
@dorothy7589
@dorothy7589 Жыл бұрын
??Question? Is the Catechism of the Council of Trent still the true teachings of the Roman Catholic Church after VII and the new Catechism that Pope John Paul II published? In other words, can you refer to the Council of Trent to substantiate Catholic teaching?
@Chicken_of_Bristol
@Chicken_of_Bristol Жыл бұрын
Catechisms are themselves not infallible documents, they are intended as summaries/explanations of the teachings that the Church lays out authoritatively elsewhere. They are a great starting place to give you a good general idea of what the Church teaches, but if you are trying to get into specifics and hash out what appears to be contradictions, you should always go back to the actual documents that lay out the particular teachings in detail.
@TboneWTF
@TboneWTF 6 ай бұрын
What exactly does the Bible mean when it supports the enslavement of humans? Specifically: Leviticus 44 “However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you. 45 You may also purchase the children of temporary residents who live among you, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property" How can this be misread? There are many other passages in both the New and Old Testament allowing slaves. I've also found other scripture allowing and supporting genocide, misogyny, infanticide, incest ,murder and prejudice.
@TboneWTF
@TboneWTF 6 ай бұрын
lol
@TboneWTF
@TboneWTF 6 ай бұрын
ooo
@andycopeland7051
@andycopeland7051 Жыл бұрын
Our apologists are the best
@Gxlto
@Gxlto 10 ай бұрын
Your apologists are wannabe philosophers with only valuable expertise in lying and reinterpreting anything and everything that doesn't fit with their preconceived notions and fixed a priori beliefs. That's what it means to be an apologist
@CCP-Lies
@CCP-Lies 6 ай бұрын
If Christianity is true, why the apologetics? Is Yahweh too weak that he needs someone to defend his religion?
@andycopeland7051
@andycopeland7051 6 ай бұрын
@@CCP-Lies that isn't as impressive of an argument as you think it is
@rizdekd3912
@rizdekd3912 8 ай бұрын
Regarding the 'iron chariot' debacle, I don't see the problem with interpreting it to mean the Lord was unable to defeat them. So what is the 'he' referred to Judah and not the Lord? The implication of the text leading up to it is that the Lord was with Judah and was apparently helping him defeat various tribes as is implied earlier "When Judah attacked, the Lord gave the Canaanites and Perizzites into their hands." But as soon as he met up with a tribe having iron chariots, whatdayaknow, they failed to defeat them despite the Lord being with the men of Judah. Either the Lord could not help him defeat the iron chariots, or the Lord chose NOT to help him despite making it seem like he was going to help them or...there is no Lord and all these are just stories where a tribe is assuming that they have a god who is with them and when they succeed, it is god's doings and when they fail, it is there own fault. It's a cozy defense of one's cherished notion, but it's cherry picking what the Lord being with someone means.
@Sherelle86
@Sherelle86 7 ай бұрын
He already explained that. You clearly stopped listening. Judah was afraid and gave up, Sheesh. God later chastised Judah for his cowardly disobedience and lack of faith. All you had to do was keep listening.
@rizdekd3912
@rizdekd3912 7 ай бұрын
@@Sherelle86 I know the story...quite well, having been involved in reading/discussing the Bible, especially the OT, for decades. I didn't need to 'listen' to someone on youtube giving their excuse for what happened.. Bottom line it, God had the option to ensure the enemy was defeated...up to and including some sort of divine calamity as he supposedly did in other situations. But he chose not to. Of course it's an absurd notion that it was the iron chariots, but that's what the story has in it. The truth is there's no god and those stories are likely made up.
@Sherelle86
@Sherelle86 7 ай бұрын
@@rizdekd3912 Just because you studied something doesn't mean you understood it. Clearly you did not. I don't say that to be mean. I spent decades not understanding how to read the bible as well. The bible is not a book about wonderful people who God loved because they were so fabulous. It's a book about wicked, disobedient, people who barely trust or listen to God because they're so rebellious. God lets them face the consequences of their actions or inaction but still uses them to bring about his ultimate will. It's not supposed to be a story about a god who magics his people's problems away. He never said he would either.
@dw5523
@dw5523 Жыл бұрын
The whole gang rape story is framed in the exact same way as the story of the angels in Sodom from Genesis, a clear indication of the authors perspective about the story. This is why we cannot be satisfied with a surface reading or surface explanation of the text.
@butterjupitar
@butterjupitar Жыл бұрын
People often forget that the Bible is a History Book, a Law Book, a book that shows God making corrections to the wrongdoings of others, and a book to a better life...
@MeatMaster69420
@MeatMaster69420 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget fairytail
@serpentsepia6638
@serpentsepia6638 Жыл бұрын
@@MeatMaster69420 Atheists often forget that the Bible is a library of ancient Hebrew culture filled with history, law and lessons of morality.
@MeatMaster69420
@MeatMaster69420 Жыл бұрын
@@serpentsepia6638 that means nothing, sure dome pats can be factual history, that dosent prove the bible as a whole
@serpentsepia6638
@serpentsepia6638 Жыл бұрын
@@MeatMaster69420 Well, the Bible as a whole hasn't been proven. That's why they call it faith. Look at it this way - Jesus often spoke in parables in order to teach and the Old Testament is filled with parables. People back then didn't have tv, radio, the internet or the Brother Grimm. What the Hebrews had were life lessons learned through parables from the Bible. And these same parables are lessons that we can all learn from today.
@MeatMaster69420
@MeatMaster69420 Жыл бұрын
@@serpentsepia6638 yea sure read and learn from it, but using the Bible to prove the bible is just weord
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