Then you haven’t been to church or hounding listen to what others are saying. Seems like you might just be a narcissist.

Then you are truly blessed because I've been to numerous churches. I believe God is true unfortunately all the churches are flawed with sinning/self-righteous humans. Not all the people in the church, but enough to make you not want to go back. .

I've heard it a few times, usually from teenagers or young adults. I don't think it's as common as the clip makes it seem, or maybe it's more from younger folks as opposed to the older.

They say that every time out in Utah. I was raised Mormon and thank God I am out of it. Mormons aren't actually Christians so this title is misleading to begin with.

@@historia9275 The only time I’ve had strong spiritual feelings is when I was in LDS churches. I’ve been to others and never had the same feelings. I have doubts about LDS, but religion in general. But if LDS is wrong why the feelings? Will God really send people to hell who got it wrong? And got it wrong because they were tricked or such? How can he be forgiven? The LDS still follow Jesus and their family structures amazing.

I've lived in 29 wards in 10 states and 2 countries and I have never heard anyone ever say this.

I love how you try to use your authority bias by saying, “I know more bc I’ve gone to more wards and church than you” It doesn’t matter if they attended 50% less than you did you can’t deminish someone else’s experience just bc yours was different. Don’t work like that sorry.

@@Semiautoautomatic_shaman If I’m using my “Authority bias” then he’s using his “ignorance bias” or his “inexperience bias”. His whole premise in this clip is that you’re not allowed, or that you get criticized, or people would “raise their eyebrows” if anyone expressed any doubt in a testimony. The only way any one could come to that kind of conclusion is if they didn’t attend very often or they weren’t paying attention. ****HE’S***** drawing a conclusion that’s INCORRECT based on HIS bias. What he’s saying couldn’t happen, actually happens frequently. Just because HE hasn’t seen it (which is actually highly unlikely unless he wasn’t really listening and just missed it) doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Yet he’s CLAIMING it couldn’t. The truth is, is that it happens FREQUENTLY. In YSA wards it happens at almost every single Fast & Testimony meeting and that’s not an exaggeration. It would be like him saying “No one hits home runs in MLB baseball games- I’ve never seen it”, And then me saying, “I’ve been going to MLB baseball games for 40 + years and there’s usually at least 3 or 4 home runs a game” and you criticizing me for “diminishing his experience”. Home runs happen at MLB games so often it would near to impossible to be a faithful attender and never see one. His CONCLUSION based in “his experience” would be an INCORRECT conclusion. I’m simply stating that his conclusion about not being able to express doubt in a testimony meeting, based on either his LACK of experience or his lack of attentiveness, is wrong.

@@boysrus61 I've lived in 30 wards in 11 states and 3 countries and have heard it all the time

Then you are truly blessed because I've been to numerous churches. I believe God is true unfortunately all the churches are flawed with sinning/self-righteous humans. Not all the people in the church, but enough to make you not want to go back. .

34+ years, never heard anything close to that.

Same

You sound like Lynn Wilder. She was a member for 40+ years and never heard someone LDS say they believed in Jesus. Then she wrote a book about it

so the key point is HOPING that shit is real? wow...

Mormons are not Christians

I think they're talking about Mormonism

I think the young man just needed someone to sit with him and help him recognize the spirit in his life, the events where he's received answers and witnesses, and that his hope was based on something. It's becoming more and more difficult for people to hear the spirit through all the noise and confusion in this world. The spirit is still speaking, but it's being lost in all the other voices in our heads, and the constant doubt people are spreading.

What is a sacrament meeting?

@@sarahsabino7279 Sacrament meeting is the regular Sunday meeting. The congregation meets with everyone for about an hour - starts with a song and prayer, then sacrament (eat blessed bread and drink blessed water). Usually there are speakers who give 10-20 minute talks on a subject assigned to them, but once a month, it's basically an open-mic (as long as you're talking about spiritual things and keeping things under 10 minutes). End with a song and prayer. Then off to classes for another hour.

The lds church is a false church

Knowing that you hope something is true, or having faith (a hop in things not seen) in something is a testimony.

That's not Bill Reel. He goes by RFM

Then you are truly blessed because I've been to numerous churches. I believe God is true unfortunately all the churches are flawed with sinning/self-righteous humans. Not all the people in the church, but enough to make you not want to go back. .

It’s about Mormonism and atheism so in either way it’s anti-Christian.

​@@YeshuaSaves3not perse. You can always push it to the idea of artists being foolish by cutting parts of any conversation. Bug in this case, yeah it's anti cristianity. Or rather anti cult

​@@YeshuaSaves3Spoken like a "TRUE" Christian. IF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW.

​@@YeshuaSaves3Mormons don't believe Jesus is Christ?

@@zamiel3 They teach a different Jesus. In the Bible Jesus is the word of God that created the whole universe including the angels and is uncreated himself. In Mormonism Jesus is the literal offspring of God The Father and his mother who is also a spirit brother of Satan. They also believe that Jesus is a separate god from The Father and that there are an infinite regress of gods before God the father that all used to be human on a planet but became exalted to become gods of their own planet. That’s called polytheism which is not Christian at all.

It ain't cap. I've said and heard it. Especially in YSA wards

Come to my ward lol

Yet if you've heard someone saying they have faith in the Gospel, then you have heard it.

There's a story behind them.

Says the clow atheist 😂😂😂 of supposed facts and logic 🤓🤓🤣🤣

"morons" haha you must be over 45 years old

The fact that these guys are blaming members for not knowing their church history as the reason why they’re leaving by the masses is beyond me. I grew up in the 90s-2000s and I can honestly say I didn’t know half the stuff that the internet revealed about the church’s history. Thank god for Know Man Knows My History (pre internet) and the CES Letter (internet age).

It was originally supposed to be another guy who subbed RFM in an the last minute, and they purposely schemed to have this set up to give this impression. They wanted the clickbait 3 v 1 setup, and knew that doing things this way would require the other guys to come in vests because of serious death threats they received. Those three guys bent over backwards to get RFM actually show up for something, and RFM got exactly what he wanted, well, except for winning the debate anyway.

thanks for your honesty but that is not bill reel! he is rfm and he is awesome and his and bill reels podcast named "whats im a name!" changed my life listen to it!

@@44dton thanks for the correction

I’m pretty sure there were some threats

This was from about 3 years ago. However, I'm sure they would appreciate it now as well

Good question.

This was on Shawn McCraney Heart of the matter show on KZfaq. RFM totally destroyed the three musketeers with facts and solid knowledge.

amen

Actually it is. And it's okay to admit where you're at. Everyone is on their own path.

no way you have heard this many times!

@@44dton I've literally heard that many times over the last 4 decades that I've been active in church. I'm surprised this is so surprising.

Just don't ask RFM about his adultery while his daughter was on a mission to Europe...oops

I used to say that I "believed" that it was true after I grew out of the "know" phrase (which is entirely false - for everyone) at around age 12. It never served me well and I was often viewed with suspicion.

That's probably typical. At your local Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, ONLY the congregation participates. It's all volunteer. We go so far as to hold a kind of "open mic" meeting on the first Sunday of every month, when anyone can spontaneously come up and bear their personal witness of the Restored Gospel.

False 🤥

The data says you're wrong: "Among Mormons, those who are more highly educated are not simply as religious as those with less education - Mormons with college experience are more religiously observant, on average, than Mormons with less education. Fully 92% of college-educated Mormons are highly religious, as are 91% of Mormons with some college. Among Mormons whose education topped out with high school, however, just 78% score high on the index of religious observance." -Pew Research Center 2017

You are talking about just Mormons. Do some research on how many scientists are religious.

Oh, sorry. Who else aren't Christians? While we're at it, who goes to Heaven? Maybe you could let us know. I mean, it says He Shall Employ No Servant there, but it sounds like you're the REAL judge.

@@WARDRADIO There are many who don’t claim to be Christian who, for obvious reasons, aren’t Christians as well as many who do claim to be Christian who aren’t Christians and to list everyone who falls under the umbrella of non-Christian would require more time than I’m willing to commit. Based on the teachings of Mormonism, however, I can say that because they deny foundational truths from Gods Word they, therefore, cannot be called Christian Those whose lives line up with the aforementioned foundational Biblical truths and who have committed their lives to the teachings found in the Bible have been given authority to judge those who deny or distort said teachings. John 7:24; Matthew 7:1-3)

Same thing. Mormons worship Christ. To say some brainwashed thing like they worship Joseph Smith is the same as saying "Christians" worship Wesley, Luther or Rogers

​@WARDRADIO Mormons do not worship the same God as Christians do; they are not even monotheists.

Not at all. The very reason he makes the claim about lifting an eyebrow is to suggest it's not familiar and would cause concern. That's just not the common experience. But he's also using a Motte and Bailey - He's using the [hrase about not knowing but hoping, and yet I am willing to bet he has heard someone say they have faith the Church is true, which is the same thing. Faith is not knowledge, but hop in something you can't see or prove.

​@@RichardChappell1That's nonsense. It's not common for anyone in any religion to stand up saying they doubt their faiths truthfulness. And no, that's not the same as saying you have faith. The statement he's making is a person doubting and losing faith. Saying you have faith is saying you believe it, but this statement is someone who doesn't believe, but hopes. You're misapplying the verse from Hebrews. I personally hope a lot of things are true, but I don't believe they are. I hope there is an afterlife, and a heaven, but don't believe in either.

@@jblaze7052 Nice strawman. That's not what was said or even suggested. Listen to his comment again. I suggest you are letting your spite control your understanding.

​@@RichardChappell1No, I heard and understand exactly what he said. It summit is not common for ppl to get up and give a testimony saying they don't know, but hope it's true. Christianity is based on KNOWING and having a personal relationship with Christy. If you day you don't know it's true, but hope, is not a statement of having faith. Stop taking stuff out of context. I'm an atheist who has gone to church and Bible studies MANY times, and this is something that would raise eyebrows, period. You can even go through the comments and see ppl who have spent decades in the church who have never heard that. Stop the games. Why would I have any spite? I was Christian the first 25 years of my life and had no bad experiences. You sound silly, like those ppl who simply repeat things they heard.

I was just going to point this out

Shady... like a FOX!

Agree. Every now and then someone says some versuon of doubt of sonething. Its all good.

Give or take 999.999k, yes

no hes not, ive never heard this ever! and if i did my eyebrows would be raised!

@The Jordan W Show they are jealous of magic underwear.

They had threats leading up to the debate

@@mickski548 Directed at Both Sides?

@The Jordan W Show Stunt

I can confirm that the dudes regularly deal with death threats.

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@@WARDRADIO Thanks so much 😊

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Heaven would be like North Korea.

Childish LIKE A FOX!

You sound hurt