No it wasn’t a bad special

Your theory about the cyberking looking the way it is due to the fact of limited tech is true as if you look into the Doctor Who expanded media cyberkings look drastically different. For example the 2016 comic supremacy of the Cybermen.

I don't care about your stupid squarespace

@@MaxAutoAttack Well, London was invaded by dinosaurs in the 70s and RTD ignored. In fact, RTD era feel so distant to the classic series. Even Sarah Jane feel so diferent to the original Sarah.

@@mayotango1317 as a new who fan I gotta say I’d have no idea who Sarah Jane is without their portrayal of her. It may be not your ideal situation but it’s still better than Sarah Jane facing the same issue so many other companions do and fall into obscurity

@@roku144 For me, the real Sarah Jane was in her Big Finish miniseries.

I always considered it as more than a blink and you'll miss it moment, although for the monster of the story it's in it's an apt description I guess.

I always just assumed the 'first' chance is him offering them the opportunity to back down and receive his help, but then they don't get a second chance if they turn that down, he'll do whatever is necessary to stop them. That way it's consistent with most of his behaviour throughout his era and even makes more sense in the Christmas Invasion as when he says the line he's literally just given the Sycorax leader the opportunity to live (first chance) but then kills him when he doesn't leave in peace (no second chance). I don't really see any problem with that line and the way he behaves in later episodes.

@@Fff99901 Yes that's exactly what it means. I don't know why people misunderstand that phrase to mean Ten will immediately start killing everyone. People just looking for issues that aren't there purely out of boredom.

@@erikalieben5476 yeah, true

There's always hope for a Big Finish Unbound story!

The show was able to bring back Capaldi, why not Morrissey?

Shillskare

Imagine being born before modern technology, how embarrassing

@@HarboWholmes hehe, very true

1854, actually. Still not internet, tho...

@@IronPiedmont Close, but it was 1851

Also, it was nice to see them give a female antagonist the same treatment that male megalomaniac's get in this show. Not something the studio's feel they have the right to do anymore. After RTD's era she would have ended up becoming the sympathetic 11th hour hero villain and saving the day after she realized she just needed to love someone, anyone.

@@noneya3635 yeah honestly I feel like they're trying not to be sexist but they swung too far in the other direction 💀💀 we need some more female villains that are just straight up juicy even villains imo

Loved the special

"They" 💀

Just now I realize(d) this is a missed opportunity

True, it’s still a guilty pleasure episode i love to watch tho

Most likely Moffat flexing on RTD by fixing his plotholes (while also creating new ones in the progress)

As time goes on I really really *REALLY* don’t get why Doctor Who seems so set on having no one remember the various alien encounters that happen, it really makes it seem like nothing that happens actually stay a thing that happened. Case in point for me is the destruction of Mondas. In 1986, Mondasian cybermen attempted to siphon the Earth’s energy to revitalize the dying planet of Mondas, but accidentally took too much energy and blew up Mondas in the process. There was a global event that ended up blowing up a planet in *1986,* and no one seems to think aliens exist most of the time. I mean, I do understand why they do that, I just don’t like it in this case or agree with the decision. FYI the reason they do this is the same reason that the Doctor will usually hang out on earth in the same year as when the show is currently airing, to keep things close to our reality in terms of society. We don’t think aliens exist, so neither does earth society within Doctor Who. We never had a Cyber King stomp around London in Victorian times, so no one will bring it up in universe either. Load of corporate horse shit if you ask me, do they think things will be less relatable or something if our comparable present doesn’t meticulously align together to the show? I can’t think of why else they would softcore continually ignore established history/continuity like this.

@@antonberkbigler5759 because it creates too many loose ends that would radically alter the world to keep track of.

@@jackstuhley1745 There are more complex franchises out there than Doctor Who. Reread (or maybe read for the first time) my second paragraph.

I learned too much about Harbo's sexual preferences this episode

Harbo is growing as a creator and a personality and I am absolutely here for it

@Tristan Lane true dat, true dat…

Yeah well the doctor lies The doctor lies a lot actually he lies to his companions he lies to his enemies he lies to himself he lies about his age I’m 1200 and some thing I think I can’t remember if I’m lying about my age that’s how old I am Even river song said what is rule number one the doctor lies

Not everything the doctor said ever is a lie just because the doctor lies some of the time. ​@@dustfinger5312

or maybe you can't tell the difference between one chance and second chance. you have problem in reading the number of one and two

I think this is a great episode. There's already this vibe at this point in the show that something is coming to an end (meaning the Doctor will be regenerating soon) and having him meet the "Next Doctor" and believe that this is actaully his next incarantion until that plot twist was such a clever idea.

Jeez dude 😳

@@jamesb.russell2942 don't make me get the hose

@alexanderwamsley5846 he said it dude not me

Having joined the fandom during Smith’s run I never felt this episode was clickbait-y. But then I wasn’t part of the series when this came out & people were wondering who the next doctor would be. I already knew.

"The New Doctor" is the perfect balance imo

Fun Fact: In Germany they named the special 'The other Doctor' :D

The cracks in time.

@@mayotango1317 Yeah, that always felt like Moffat pushing the reset button since Davies liked referencing how the public's perception of events was. Especially with the Cybermen and Dalek stories. I mean, this could have been interesting as a way of having characters who feel like they've lived in the Whoniverse but I can see why they want companions to reflect normal humans.

@@christopherbennett5858 Davis did the same with the classic series. I never feel that his London is the same that the Yetis in Underground or dinosaurs in the 70s.

@@mayotango1317 Considering his first few seasons had the main companion living in a council estate, I can see why that may be different from the Pertwee and Baker eras. Davies definitely took a lot of drama cues from Kitchen SInk dramas like Eastenders and a lot of the focus is more on characters than location, aside from Cardiff jabs.

YES! Thank you!

You got your wish lol.

Well not Christmas episode but it did happen

WELP

"Character time is over. Time for plot!"

yeah but that was stupid

No. A gigant robot in victorian london is stupid.

@@mayotango1317 not AS stupid

@@lexezlao I quite like the cracks in time, it's a nice way to play with the wibbly wobbly nature of time in a main series arc, and it's much better than, for instance, the revival of the Master for the final Series 4 special.

@@deltahalo241 I like the cracks, but I don't like the univers reboot and erasure thing

Also, I personally don’t think Hartigan was “screaming in fear” in her final scene. Maybe the first bit was - y’know, the normal reactionary fear of anyone who’d find themselves in such a situation - but, look at her face at 22:30; she’s _angry_ as she screams at them. Her _rage_ at being betrayed and forced into conversion was what destroyed the Cyberking, not fear. Well, that’s my opinion. Just sayin’…

*Dervla Kirwan, & yes she was fantastic.

@@BH-98 ah, thanks!

No.

It makes a pinch of sense, the Doctor basically forced her to accept that she turned into the monster society deemed her as and it broke her mind completely

No, he is a Moffat hater.

10 might not have considered the Metacrisis as a full regeneration yet, it probably took until 11 came along with a new personality for The Doctor to consider it a proper regeneration

No, it is the opposite. RTD did it because it was fun, like farts or a giant claw on Planet of the Ood. Moffat only corrected that nonsense

@@mayotango1317 two lines of nonsense words

@@altinaykor364 Bad Wolf?

2013 was when I became a Whovian too. Although I started with Doctor Who Adventures and the first dvd was of Series 2. It took until 2014 that I started watching it live.

@@peterchu5609 I remember series 7b heavily cause I had seen doctor who before but bells of Saint John was the episode I was determined to watch etc. Nice 👍

I watched it fairly recently and also forgot about it!

Wait who's the offender? I haven't been part of Fandom for very long

@@atharvadeshpande6907 Oh, just a dig at how the BBC has close ties with a lot of prolific sex offenders. They were usually thrown in for a cameo in holiday specials during the 2000s-2010s (before they’re outed, ofc)

@@lewiskazinsky7334 who exactly?

@@mystery4561 Jimmy Saville, for one. Check out Peter Kay’s Amarillo skit for Comic Relief.

@Tristan Lane That’s probably a fairer and more insightful way of putting it, yeah. I just couldn’t help making an easy joke 😂

Yes! This.

There's fanart of steampunk cybermen and they look absolutely fantastic

I'm probably unironically the first person in 2 years to think about Game of Thrones

I did! It was very interesting to see. I'll never know how they got those grey shapes into landscapes, baffles me

@@HarboWholmes The people who do that stuff are wizards. Pretty much anyone who does any kind of video editing is a wizard in my eyes (which includes you).