Was the PIB thing also acting as a knock reducer cuz ethanol does that?

@@konic40 Fairly likely, as Isomers (branched molecules) usually have greater inherent detonation resistance, the more branched the higher resistance (typically). Pure 2,2,4 Trimethyl Pentane (Iso-octane) is RON and MON 100 per definition, and why a straight chain alkanes like pure (n)-Heptane is RON and MON 0 per definition. Infact, pure straight chained Octane (n-Octane) has a rating of -20 RON and -17 MON.

Would it be a good idea to run some additive type fuel injector cleaner every so often?

​@@jda8176 I run a 1/4 tank 92 and 3/4 tank e85 with marvel mystery oil in the gas and in the oil before and after oil changes. And I use royal purple 0w 20. It always comes out looking golden still at 5k.

Does PIB actually clean ethanol deposits or is it mostly formulated to deal with petroleum deposits?

I was just gonna say the same.

He learnt alot about the effects of e85 in a limited use street engine so that helps not much to smile about when your engine blows and you learn nothing 😂

Lol

It's because he got to prove people (I'm sure he is frustrated by) wrong. This is a pretty big discovery for another reason, for two he caught it before major damage could be done and is able to fix it. He was able to prove E85 just shouldn't be daily-ed.

Expensive lesson but learning none the less

Come to Brazil to learn more about ethanol. A lot of tuned engines use E100 only here.

​@@celtiberian I'd love to know what they do over there too. Too much superstition in America sometimes

The price to pay is the gas mileage...in this case it shouldn't matter as long as you drive frequently.

There's a genuine and honest lifetime race engine builder named Andy Randolph (NASCAR and formerly General Motors) who would say you don't know what you're talking about. Here's an interview I did with Andy a few years ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rrKqp9KF1dnPZX0.html

In formula 1, grand prix, 24 hour lemans, etc. they all use straight methanol. When they tear down the engine after a race, you cannot even tell it did a lap.

What's a flex sensor?

@@Eduardo_Espinoza Ethanol content analyser/sensor. Runs inline with the fuel rail befor the injectors so the ECU can measure the content of ethanol and update the ECU in real time. This means you can run any blend of petrol and/or ethanol at any given time.

​@Richard Smith yep You should run your vehicle after changing fuels long enough for that sensor ecm can adjust properly. Marvel mystery oil also helps if you don't run unladed

What do you consider long periods of time? I drive my e85 2018 Camaro SS once a week to work which is about 30 miles away

Helpful. Thank you! I started running an E40 tune on my S4

You could gunk up your barrel...

True, what races have you entered?

@@nzuncovered1845 race that just beat your ass in the comments, bitch.

Why cook oil after a race when you can cook it during the race :D

@@tsslaporte He probably never gets to that temp long enough my guess.

@@user-gz9tq9fo5b Australia - we have pump 98.

@@user-gz9tq9fo5b we got 98 octane here in Australia

If I had the money I'd ask Mike to build me a motor or 5

Just drive it often you’ll be fine

I was thinking any installing a supercharger do you think e85 would be ok for it, everyone I know that has one usually goes strictly 91

Would dosing with Marvel Mystery Oil help?

You mean the constant, never ending Smile that he has as he talk? Kinda gets annoying because he facial expression just never changes. He’s Happy the entire time. It’s not…. Normal to be this happy and smile constantly. Ugh, drives me crazy. 😖😒😑

I run e98 in the best mountains of the US (colorado) were like 5300 feet elevation. The one time I put "gas" (91 octane) in the car it blew up cuz it ran lean around a corner (shop owner was incompetent but his kids built some great cars.) Didn't have a surge tank like I was told, bobs your uncle. Hasta la vista baby. Sionara sucka.. fun car, 730wheel

You never know everything, learn something new every day!

Wow, you addmited that easily.

L'important est la temperature d'huile, pas l'eau

It sure can but it takes longer. We had an LS3 at our shop ruined like that.

Yup he said that multiple times...

​@@motoiq What oil did you run? Did you know what Base group the oil you ran was made from? And what was the average oil change interval?

I used to live very close to work. The engine on My daily was all sludged up, even though I changed the oil on time.

@@randallmason9687 all the more reason you should be using a pao based synthetic oil. Because it's more resistant to sludging.

It's probably because He's blaming a sludge engine not on his daughter driving habits but on E85.

Not sure. What I heard is that E85 would cause this condition if anyone drove in mainly cold start mode driving conditions, never fully allowing their engine to warm up.

On my car the catch can fluid is always kinda milkshake because of blowing oil mixed with water condensation

Absolutely right, even the garage kept cars need a long drive every once in a while to burn off the moisture and liquefy the sludge. Motor flushes at each and every oil change would be a wise practice on these low mile, low use engines. I try to take my cars for a long (1 hour plus) freeway drive before doing the oil change to get everything hot and hopefully drained out of the oil pan. I have used routine motor flushes and Seafoam in the crankcase of badly neglected vehicles to un-stick rings and noisy lifters with great results and improvements.

This guy makes amazing videos check em all out

Yeah, this guy is brilliant and the comments are generally intelligent and insightful. It's a pretty good resource / community.

Blaming e 85 for his daughter driving habits is wild

>_> what did they say about rebuilding it? I have one that doesn't sound happy

​@@baelm In my case all of my pistons were burning oil, it had some piston slap and I eventually (somehow) broke one of the camshafts. These happened probably due to a bad previous engine rebuild. I had a lot of questions in my mind regarding if I should do a forged or a stock rebuild for a daily. As you know, forged engines have piston slap when it's cold as well, and I don't quite like that. I just can't get used to it. Reliability and longevity was what I desired the most and I didn't know which build would be more suitable in this case. Mike advised me to go with a stock rebuild, and that I could upgrade the oil pump to 11mm for a daily. I followed his advice with the stock rebuild, but I got the 12mm oil pump instead. I don't have any issues so far, but I'm genuinely curious about how long this engine will last because I redline it every time I drive it x)

@@Gentleman1337 thanks for sharing what he told you, pretty sure i have piston slap as well but if i had to replace the whole long block i would wand to go for a 207 if possible

@@baelm if it's cheaper than getting it machined, honestly go for it

the feedback loop of oil contamination occurred when then oil control rings failed.

I agree, this is really applicable to all engines, E85 might just slightly speed up a process that is the result of abuse.

@@fry.master Yes, and it gets worse with the engines that have 1. Narrow low tension oil rings 2. Very little provision in the piston for oil to drain back.

Sounds like a "pro" tuner.

Run Marvel mystery oil that will do the job instead of unleaded. Oil catch can for sure, I have oz omega tune it's awesome flex fuel tune on coyote

@@justingill5256 I have the Omega tune in my 2017 as well. Very pleased with it. The transmission tuning that's part of it also makes the truck more fun to drive. E85 isn't available everywhere around here, so I switch back and forth a lot just because of what's convenient.

@Jay Slabotsky 3.31 gears 21gt ported mani with cai, getting 49 mph out of 1st gear 87 mph out 2nd. Gen 3 with 3.31 gears gt ported with omega x tune is getting 49 mph out of 1st on a damn 10 speed 😯

I'm sure the heat from the race prevent that. More frequent oil changes are a must on the alcohol cars.

Hygroscopic*

@@aygwm That's a mistake I've been making for years. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroscope

This relates to another comment about detergent additives being in the gasoline, but not the ethanol. E85 is only 15% gasoline.

When i waa driving my sti regularly, i would run a tank of 91 after every two tanks of e85.

@@Constipatedoverlord why not 93?

Why don't you try doing used oil analysis to see what the interval should be?

if your oil temps get above 220F that should be enough to burn off any moisture in the oil, but you would be surprised how long it take to get oil in an engine to that temp.

@@oldblueaccord2629 I have to put a piece of cardboard in front of my oil cooler core to get temps above 180f and i live in florida (thermostat is stuck open, sh*ty mishimoto oil cooler)

​@@oldblueaccord2629 how long does it usually takes to get to the normal operating temp?

@@alitoroganan2442 After I wrote that I drove home from work in my 6.4L Hemi and an 8 miles trip ,5 miles at highway speeds my oil temp was 204F. Air temps was 68F. Water temp was 209F

I was surprised when he said it got frequent oil changes, I wonder if using a motor flush at every oil change would have kept the internals looking good or if the moisture still would have wrecked it?

Death knell ;)

@@davidparker9676 Honestly I don't think anything short of pulling the pan would have given an advanced notice that that much sludge was down there. Chemical flushes *might help to a small degree (once you're aware of the problem of course), but without added pressure over what the vehicle's oil pump can supply, you're only going to dislodge what a topical rinse would move. Nature of a hygroscopic beast unfortunately.

@@sssnake2332 Ding!

@@C-M-E I agree that this would have blindsided me as well. He never mentioned how many miles were on the engine, but he did know to change the oil more frequently due to using E85. I think that going forward, a chemical flush at every or every other oil change would be wise in such a scenario. It seems that the rings get gummed up first and accelerate the rest of the problems.