When Israelis fought the British (Spitfire vs Spitfire, 1949)

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Showtime112

Showtime112

Жыл бұрын

7 January 1949, the last day of the first Arab-Israeli War. A flight of four British Spitfires takes off from their base in Egypt to monitor the situation along the border between Egypt and Israel. They are attracted by black smoke along the road so they decide to investigate and take some photos. This decision would have serious consequences as a flight of two Israeli Spitfires flown by non-Jewish volunteers would mistake the British planes for Egyptian ones.
Sources:
- Bill Norton - 75 Years of the Israeli Air Force Volume 1
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- Shlomo Aloni - Israeli Air Force Operations in the 1948 War
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- Alex Yofe - Spitfire Mk.IX in the Israeli Air Force Service 1948 - 1956
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- Peter Caygill - Ultimate Spitfires
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- Robert Gandt - Angels in the Sky: How a Band of Volunteer Airmen Saved the New State of Israel
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- Tim McElhaw - Oral History
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- Spitfire vs Spitfire - Aerial Combat in Israel's War of Independence
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@justinnewcomb2279
@justinnewcomb2279 Жыл бұрын
I like how 3 nations were using the same Aircraft in the same Theatre of operations in a rudimentary era without electronic friend/foe indicators.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Something like that simply had to happen. Thanks for commenting!
@terrynewsome6698
@terrynewsome6698 Жыл бұрын
Hell we see that now in Ukraine
@imranikram9624
@imranikram9624 Жыл бұрын
And befooling whom
@Guillermo90r
@Guillermo90r Жыл бұрын
There were rudimentary IFFs since before WW2
@damien5748
@damien5748 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 ever heard about the siege of jadotiville involving irish troops on a un peace keeping mission in the congo?.....it has a somewhat ironic twist to it.
@johnhickman106
@johnhickman106 Жыл бұрын
I love how you craft your videos. The narration is on-point, but the black and white editing, subtle sounds and music of the cultures involved is excellent.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I like adding those elements, I feel it improves the viewer experience.
@johnhickman106
@johnhickman106 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Please continue. It truly makes a big difference verse just telling a story. You paint the picture. Cheers
@johnwallace4797
@johnwallace4797 Жыл бұрын
Chalmers 'Slick' Goodlin was the Bell Aircraft Company test pilot who priced himself out of the opportunity to be the first man to break the sound barrier in the X-1 experimental rocket plane.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for adding info!
@jimmoynahan9910
@jimmoynahan9910 Жыл бұрын
The sound barrier was broken before Yeager officially broke it.
@mrj4990
@mrj4990 10 ай бұрын
@@jimmoynahan9910In dives yes, level flight no
@SelfRaisingWheat
@SelfRaisingWheat Жыл бұрын
A very interesting conflict. Especially the Avia S-199s, which were mechanically inferior yet their pilots were skilled enough to take the fight to the Egyptians.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting! I hope to explore the role of S-199 in the conflict a bit more in the future.
@SelfRaisingWheat
@SelfRaisingWheat Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Looking forward to it! :)
@pablopeter3564
@pablopeter3564 Жыл бұрын
"Blue on Blue", friendly fire is not that friendly. 3 different sides using the same airplane model, obviously this would happen sooner or latter. Thanks for this EXCELLENT historical video and keep on working.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for continuing to watch! There are a few very interesting stories left there and they might also be covered in the future.
@pablopeter3564
@pablopeter3564 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Great, whenever you have time please make a video of the Argentinian A-4s attacking the British fleet, the HMS Coventry would be great. Thanks ¡¡¡¡
@jimsaintamour2
@jimsaintamour2 Жыл бұрын
Trully outstanding historical videos!! Is it possible to do more of the earlier Middle Eastern conflicts?
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! It is possible, for the 1948 War. Many aircraft used in that war are available in DCS (or at least very similar ones). There might be another video similar to this one soon.
@Riccardo_Silva
@Riccardo_Silva Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 I subscribe to Jim's request. I find it a very interesting and fascinating subject!
@Cuccos19
@Cuccos19 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that was a great story, great video! :) Many years ago - around 2006 or 2007 I saw the first story telling cinematic video which was made with IL2 Strumovik 1946 (it was an awesome WWII combat flight simulator back than those days). This was about this event, I still have that movie in the good old AVI format. :D
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it, thanks! I would be interested to see the video you mention. I didn't find anything similar on YT.
@Cuccos19
@Cuccos19 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 I've just posted that exact video in comment under a video, to someones very similar channel. It was within a month I think. I thought it was under one of your videos. But than here it is, very cinematic one :) It was called: "Brothers in Arms". kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mcx1q8h9uZPOYWw.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLeZjbh_3q7LcYU.html
@offshorequest
@offshorequest Жыл бұрын
Another great video about lesser known battles!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting!
@Anvilarm07
@Anvilarm07 9 ай бұрын
Fascinating history. Thank you for posting.
@showtime112
@showtime112 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for appreciating it!
@angrypandaification
@angrypandaification Жыл бұрын
Such a confusing time in history... Very interesting video Showtime112.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment! The situation was definitely not a simple one.
@rapteakewl
@rapteakewl Жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel, really awesome stuff!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it, stay as long as you like 😁
@dbeasleyphx
@dbeasleyphx Жыл бұрын
Love this content. Please don't stop!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
It's very nice to hear, thank you! The plan is to keep going as long as possible.
@karthikanand1980
@karthikanand1980 Жыл бұрын
Love the editing! 🙌
@MDsteeler1
@MDsteeler1 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I’m learning more & more about military aviation history watching your channel. Never heard of this incident before. RIP Sergeant Sayer. 🫡
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! This incident is one of those 'forgotten' stories that I personally love to discover.
@IAI777
@IAI777 Жыл бұрын
Very nice job mate, specially I like the "new" tone of your voice, it makes one to be engaged and paying more attention to the details.Very well done!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
The voice recording is now mastered by a professional. Glad you noticed it.
@yveaux500
@yveaux500 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@moxie_ST
@moxie_ST Жыл бұрын
Excelent video , thanks for info about that part of history. Svaka čast dobro odrađen video, nisam imao pojma da se toliko toga događalo tamo tih godina 👍
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Hvala! Taj prvi izraelsko-arapski rat je puno manje poznat od kasnijih. Mislim da je red da se malo ukaže pažnja i na njega.
@moxie_ST
@moxie_ST Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 kakva je bila reakcija biritanaca na obaranja njihovih aviona i smrti pilota? Kako su Izraelci tretirali zarobljene britanske pilote, kao neprijatelje ili kao treću nepristranu stranku aka vraćali ih Britancima?
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
@@moxie_ST McElhaw opisuje zarobljavanje u intervjuu. Stavili su ih u zgradu tj. improvizirai zatvor gdje su držali svoje vlastite dezertere. NIje bilo niakvog lošeg tretmana a ubrzo su ih poslali brodom na Cipar. Britanija je nakraju samo tražila odštetu (što Izraeli nikada nije platio).
@snow1-2pinkkush46
@snow1-2pinkkush46 Жыл бұрын
That intro was awesome probably one of the best you made
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Oh, thanks! I was rather happy with it.
@snow1-2pinkkush46
@snow1-2pinkkush46 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 keep it up those video are on point
@jeannezehner9450
@jeannezehner9450 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic and original story which based on a sequence of bad events due to visual recognition mistakes. It was the first conflict that we could qualified of "installation war" or the independence war. Three more will arrive later.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks you for the comment and for your continuous presence!
@luislugo1289
@luislugo1289 Жыл бұрын
Muchas gracias por traer un combate aéreo de una guerra pocas veces vista en medios audiovisuales.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and appreciating it!
@1127fctwosw
@1127fctwosw Жыл бұрын
very picky about the DCS channels i look at... i have slowly worked thru a lot your content...you've knocked it out of the park, man. in the immortal words of Cyrus the Virus: "love your work."
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your feedback! It is always a good thing to win over some picky viewers 😁😁😁
@josefheryan7797
@josefheryan7797 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Greetings from Czech Republic :)
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@Riccardo_Silva
@Riccardo_Silva Жыл бұрын
I do realize that Il-2 1946 is somewhat (a lot, maybe?😁) long in the tooth but, with all the community made mods, i think it's still very good looking...and you could find a LOT more historical planes there! Just a suggestion...Thank you, and keep up the outstanding work! 👋👋👋👍👍👍
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. It does offer a pretty good range of aircraft, I agree. It does look pretty dated. The current IL-2 also offers a big range which I haven't used as much as I would like to. I'll think about it.
@SmashedGlass
@SmashedGlass Жыл бұрын
But it is still hobbled by its graphics engine being 20+ years old. Great game, just basically a dinosaur compared to DCS
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
@@SmashedGlass Something like that 😁
@Riccardo_Silva
@Riccardo_Silva Жыл бұрын
@@SmashedGlass This might be because i'm sorta dinosaur myself! 🤣🤣 I started flight combat simming in '97, so the latest modded instances of Il.-2 still look quite pretty to me. Anyway, for historical reenactments, it provides nearly EVERY aircraft that has ever flown (together with some which actually never left the drawing board!).
@tonyz7216
@tonyz7216 Жыл бұрын
Nice video.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@itszilo7436
@itszilo7436 Жыл бұрын
I’m ready for someone to debate me on this This was the British military’s fault. Change my mind
@IsraelKochin
@IsraelKochin Жыл бұрын
You are mostly right to blame the RAF. But It was also their bosses fault, the UK Labor's Government fault for refusing to recognize Israel or Israeli airspace at the time, The British had already threatened to attack Israeli forces it saw as endangering their hold on the Suez Canal and vis-avis a mutual defense treaty that had been signed with the Egyptian King. They were already likely sharing intelligence gained from reconnaissance flights with the Egyptians at the very least. The Israeli's assumed that the RAF was making good on that threat. The British were acting like a colonial master and had at the time had not recognized Israel's right to exist. You can read about the parliamentary debate on the incident here, but to summarize: Winston Churchill who was in opposition to the UK's official refusal at the time [Early 1949] to recognize the new Jewish State: "Whether the right hon. Gentleman likes it or not, and whether we like it or not, the coming into being of a Jewish State in Palestine is an event in world history to be viewed in the perspective, not of a generation or a century, but in the perspective of a thousand, two thousand or even three thousand years. That is a standard of temporal values or time values which seems very much out of accord with the perpetual click-clack of our rapidly-changing moods and of the age in which we live." hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1949-01-26/debates/251e0075-50f2-48f0-8d03-45365384cffe/MiddleEast
@1joshjosh1
@1joshjosh1 Жыл бұрын
Nice little documentary
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jamesbaker7112
@jamesbaker7112 Жыл бұрын
Richard Nixon: "I'm told you have the best army in the world." Moishe Dayan: "I don't know. We've only ever fought arabs."
@Stripedbottom
@Stripedbottom 11 ай бұрын
Brits and Yanks and Canadians fighting each other in Spitfires. Interesting - what a crazy war. And not to mention the fact that a mere few years earlier the same pilots would have used the same airfields and bumped shoulders in the same mess halls, while fighting a common enemy. A couple of observations... -Was that low-level photo recon pass of the bombed convoy REALLY necessary? Any pilot would have known instinctively that whoever's on the ground will consider it another attack and have their fingers already on every AA trigger, itching to retaliate. -Fifteen Tempests escorted by Spitfires.... Doesn't really sound like "investigate", more like "revenge".
@showtime112
@showtime112 11 ай бұрын
It was crazy alright. I agree that flying over a recently attacked column wasn't the best idea and it's no wonder situation developed the way it did. And the next sortie flown by the RAF was probably sent with the thought of an open war against Israel.
@t.j.payeur5331
@t.j.payeur5331 Жыл бұрын
Great story, thanks.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
I sure agree, thank you for watching!
@DCS_World_Japan
@DCS_World_Japan 10 ай бұрын
Weird how this DCS footage is marked War Thunder by KZfaq. I also recommend against running +9 boost at 2600rpm....that's gonna kill the engine.
@showtime112
@showtime112 10 ай бұрын
I experiment a bit and I try not to mark the videos as 'gaming' (because essentially, they are not) But YT thinks it knows better 😁 Thanks for the advice, my skill as a warbird pilot is not what I'd like it to be.
@vapormissile
@vapormissile Жыл бұрын
Nice. I love when an older tech has the edge...
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
I agree, it is cool when an older plane wins.
@iljajekimov4997
@iljajekimov4997 Жыл бұрын
I knew about Swiss bf109 fighting German and few Slovak or Romania but not about Spitfire vs Spitfire. Wow. This is something!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Swiss Air Force intercepting German aircraft..... Not a bad idea for a video 😁
@nrudnjanin
@nrudnjanin Жыл бұрын
Also Yugoslav Bf-109Es fought German Bf-109Es over Belgrade in April 1941.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
@@nrudnjanin Another good idea
@willisaw135
@willisaw135 Жыл бұрын
This is interesting, thank you for covering this. Also, what were the Spitfire variants? Because, they're too many Spitfires to tell the difference.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! You mean the Spitfires used here? Basically, two variants were used. Mk IX was used by Egypt and Israel. Some Israeli Spitfires were clipped wing models. The British used Mk XVIII which is a late, Griffon powered model, faster than the Mk IX.
@willisaw135
@willisaw135 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 ooh. Interesting.
@mhpjii
@mhpjii 11 ай бұрын
מצוין! Subscribed
@showtime112
@showtime112 11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@kentwilliams4152
@kentwilliams4152 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Showtime.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting!
@terrynewsome6698
@terrynewsome6698 Жыл бұрын
Like the hundred hour war were corsair fought corsair. Or the continuation war were hurricane fought hurricane.
@jessebauer7372
@jessebauer7372 10 ай бұрын
I did not realize that the British were involved in the Israeli War for Independence, let alone that they lost fighter aircraft in combat.
@showtime112
@showtime112 10 ай бұрын
Oh yes, they were involved. And those were not the only losses.
@bernardantoinerouffaer7578
@bernardantoinerouffaer7578 9 ай бұрын
Très intéressant.
@showtime112
@showtime112 9 ай бұрын
I'm glad you think so, thanks!
@davidmccann9811
@davidmccann9811 Жыл бұрын
I read of a WW2 US ace who was flying for Israel in 1948 and using a Mustang he shot down an RAF spitfire (Griffin engined). Apparently the RAF then sent two Tempests to investigate, but they didn't find either aircraft.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
As far as I can find, Israeli Mustangs claimed one British Mosquito and three Egyptian MC.205s. This sounds like the story depicted in this video but with some facts changed.
@davidmccann9811
@davidmccann9811 Жыл бұрын
​@@showtime112 You may be right. 👍
@Horizon344
@Horizon344 8 ай бұрын
Not v. good that particular RAF flight, were they, either that or they were - not thinking they had a war on personally - caught 1/2 asleep. Another good presentation, thx.
@showtime112
@showtime112 7 ай бұрын
I appreciate your comment!
@MrOlgrumpy
@MrOlgrumpy Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another informative history lesson 😉do you know if any ex Luftwaffe pilots flew for the arab nations ? 🙃
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
To be honest, I can't remember hearing of any specific case.
@guydespatie6881
@guydespatie6881 Жыл бұрын
Woaw... Great story telling ! Showtime 112 you are the Mark Felton of DSC!!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks! I often watch Mark's videos and that is a big compliment.
@kz11377
@kz11377 Жыл бұрын
You should do a video when a Swiss Me109 fighter shot down a German Me 109 (I think it was either that or an American P51, don't remember clearly) when it drifted into Switzerland's airspace during WW2. Also during the Vietnam War a US Bell UH-1 Huey shot down an NVA An-2, check it out
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
The Swiss shot down a significant number of both German and Allied aircraft. I hope to cover some of that someday. I just need to find a detailed source. And see if there are any Swiss skins for the Bf109 available.
@georgej.dorner3262
@georgej.dorner3262 Жыл бұрын
The Huey was an Air America chopper in northern Laos. The Huey's crew chief shot the An-2 down with an automatic weapon.
@stephanedajtlich
@stephanedajtlich 8 ай бұрын
You can read Robert Gandt's book about the birth of the IDF. Great read indeed.
@fab_gaming106
@fab_gaming106 Жыл бұрын
Is that a bus in the Israeli column?
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Tim McElhaw remembers seeing two buses. We don't have the 1940's vintage in the game but I placed a more modern one in the back.
@chananielwizman2401
@chananielwizman2401 10 ай бұрын
"Investigate,". But they had the whole nine yards.
@showtime112
@showtime112 10 ай бұрын
Rather recklessly, as it turned out.
@IsraelKochin
@IsraelKochin Жыл бұрын
Robert Gandt's chapter on this conflict is well written: He points out that one of the volunteer IAF pilot's defended his decision to attack the British in this battle: "What do you mean.. Whaddyamean they were British... either you have air supremacy or you don't". [From "Angels in the Sky" by Robert Gandt]
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
If you see your troops on the ground attacked, with vehicles on fire, some airplanes flying over them and even fired upon from the ground, it would be hard to see that those are not the same guys who performed the attack.
@ALA-uv7jq
@ALA-uv7jq Жыл бұрын
Isreali 109's were also shooting down Eygptian spitfires in this war.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
There are a couple of claims. I will probably give some attention to that in the future.
@raffayniazi7970
@raffayniazi7970 Жыл бұрын
Operation Peochar by pakistan army aviation could be a good video idea One of the largest heli borne ops ever A Mi17 was shot down and a cobra damaged beyond repair
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. I will try to research it and see if it is possible to do.
@MrFlintlock7
@MrFlintlock7 Жыл бұрын
I don't know if you guys know that Paul Reuben's (Pee Wee Herman) father was very involved in these early days of Isreal's air force. I guess they both were good at handling a joystick.
@sohrabroozbahani4700
@sohrabroozbahani4700 Жыл бұрын
Damn it, this event was so early the Egyptian flag was still the old green with crescent and stars...
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
They seem to change insignia every couple of years 😁
@mikemcknight1104
@mikemcknight1104 Жыл бұрын
They seem to love fighting everyone, even their allies.
@IsraelKochin
@IsraelKochin Жыл бұрын
Are you unaware that the British were allied with the Egyptians at the time and threatening to attack Israeli forces operating in the Sinai, or are you motivated by some ugly instinct?
@301_tyron5
@301_tyron5 Жыл бұрын
Use IL-2 for the next reenactment if you can. I don’t know if IL-2 has a desert map
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
IL-2 Great Battles doesn't have a desert map. There's Il-2 Desert Wings which is based on an older version but I don't own it and it doesn't look as giid as DCS. Il use those two sims depending on the case.
@ratagris21
@ratagris21 Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation of history! Well done! Love this channel. 🎩♠️🎱🇺🇲🏁🇺🇦🌻🔱💮🌸🌼👊🏴‍☠️🏹
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
It's good to see you still like the content!
@ratagris21
@ratagris21 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Always
@zzbudzz
@zzbudzz Жыл бұрын
I find it odd that Israel used Bf 109's in their air force for a while .
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
They were technically not called that but I agree, it is strange indeed.
@Humbertusmarius
@Humbertusmarius Жыл бұрын
Very odd indeed. While they had bomber engines and weren't very good they were all the Israelis could buy because of the embargo. Only Czechoslovakia was willing to sell armament to them.
@Matterian
@Matterian 11 ай бұрын
And Russia laughed!!! Great video Showtime.
@showtime112
@showtime112 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@Alessioalessio-qv1ff
@Alessioalessio-qv1ff 25 күн бұрын
So the mark 19 was less of a dogfighter
@Endovelicus91
@Endovelicus91 Жыл бұрын
Risky take of yours to speak about this. Speacially when a certain group of people is so defensive now a days (I wonder why). Still good video men...
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Well, I sometimes touch some sensitive subjects but despite this, the focus is always on aviation, not politics.
@ThePilot4ever
@ThePilot4ever Жыл бұрын
Dang!
@josephportnojgaj7096
@josephportnojgaj7096 20 күн бұрын
the Brits were training arab countries like Jordan and Egypt, they provided arab countries with their newest armaments, tanks, and airplanes, and they expected Israel to be eliminated.
@vedrantorre9087
@vedrantorre9087 Жыл бұрын
🎥 = 👍
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@vonryansexpress
@vonryansexpress Жыл бұрын
They are still fighting the British, indeed still fighting Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders and Europeans - we are the Amalek and our fate is written . . . .
@cityzens634
@cityzens634 Жыл бұрын
Correct 👍
@richardwolf8024
@richardwolf8024 Жыл бұрын
Did the S-199s get any kills?
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
There are seven claims, not sure if all were confirmed.
@HamInHashomron
@HamInHashomron Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. It is of note that pre ReIndependence of Israel in 1948, all people in The Land of Israel, Judean, Arab and other had documents from the occupying English authorities under the so called palestine Mandate. Hence, everyone was called a Palestinian, my mother included. The word is a misnomer from the name Philistine, Plishtim in Hebrew, meaning invaders.
@Nasoorkuwait98
@Nasoorkuwait98 11 ай бұрын
So called palestine? u are so brainwashed it’s unbelievable. U believe palestine were invaders?😂😂the irony is unbelievable😂 israel is a fake country based on apartheid and lies. Wouldve never became a thing without england
@misterzoki
@misterzoki Жыл бұрын
A classical Anglo-Saxon knockout
@eddieschwab864
@eddieschwab864 Жыл бұрын
I thought at one point the Israelis were actually of all things using FW 190s and Messerschmitt bf109s, particularly in fighting Egypt who was using Supermarine Spitfires. Kind of turns the tables considering what the Nazis were but I guess practicality does matter
@omartorres5688
@omartorres5688 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many Egyptian Spit fires remain
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Today? I'm not sure if any survived.
@IsraelKochin
@IsraelKochin Жыл бұрын
RAF intelligence was cooperating with Egypt and whether these [low-level] reconnaissance flights crossed into Israeli air space : "[MP] Mr. S. Silverman: May I ask two questions? The first is: In view of the precautions taken to avoid any incident by warning the Egyptian Government that these planes were to go, can my right hon. and learned Friend say why similar precautions were not taken by warning the Israeli Government that these planes were going, and the purpose of the flight? The second question is: Since under the Anglo-Egyptian Treaty we are entitled to fly planes outside the Canal Zone only on training flights unless the Treaty has been invoked, and since this was not a training flight, was not the flight of these planes a breach of the Anglo-Egyptian Treaty?" [Answer from the Secretary of State for Air, Mr. Henderson]: "..Apparently the Egyptian Government do not take this view that there has been a breach, first of all because they have been well aware of the fact that these reconnaissances were taking place, and, in fact, as I said in my statement, they participated in the first one on 30th December [1948]. [MP]Mr. Boothby: May we take it that whoever else gave instructions for these reconnaissance flights over a battle area, they were not authorised by the right hon. and learned Gentleman in his capacity as Secretary of State for Air [Henderson]? §Mr. Henderson I certainly am not going to shirk my share of any responsibility. I thought I had made it clear to the House that I had, in consultation with other Ministers, or after consultation with other Ministers, sanctioned in principle the carrying out of these tactical reconnaissances. §Mr. Thomas Reid In view of one of my right hon. and learned Friend's previous statements, that our planes did not cross the Egyptian frontier, would he say if our pilots have made statements asserting that they had flown over the Egyptian frontier into Palestine? §Mr. Henderson Yes, Sir. There is a conflict of statements between Pilot-Officer Cooper, on the one hand, and Pilot-Officer Close, on the other hand, that can be determined only as and when we have the court of inquiry...." [elsewhere here they outright admit high-level flights like the RAF Mosquito the Israeli's had shot down earlier (11/20/1948) in the war that they had named the "Shufti Kite" was violating Israeli airspace with impunity and this definition/distinction they were was causing much confusion to the British MK's until it was disclosed.] api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1949/jan/19/middle-east-raf-reconnaissance-flights
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this elaborate comment. It makes certain things about the British involvement clearer.
@spanishmontana6121
@spanishmontana6121 Жыл бұрын
I winder who would win if they fought now ?
@jrutt2675
@jrutt2675 Жыл бұрын
Israel is a welfare state. They could not even survive on their own! This is their nature. They attack their so called friends! They better hope that Great Britan and the U.S. never wakeup!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
It depends on a situation. If RAF boys were again surprised, they would likely lose. Also, none of the four were WWII veterans while the two Israeli pilots were. Even today, Israeli pilots are more likely to be experienced.
@imperialinquisition6006
@imperialinquisition6006 Жыл бұрын
I think it depends on if they were expecting to be attacked.
@spanishmontana6121
@spanishmontana6121 Жыл бұрын
@@imperialinquisition6006 yes thats i meant in a head to head war
@jrutt2675
@jrutt2675 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 yes, but many of them are trained by British and American pilots. They actually send Israelis to the U.S. for flight school. Israel only has basic flight school. They have very limited special training forces in all areas of their military.
@patshes1951
@patshes1951 Жыл бұрын
The pilots bailing out was cool
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
The animation of 'manual' bail out is done relatively well in DCS.
@soundknight
@soundknight Жыл бұрын
I find it so strange that the Israelis and the English were at war... I would like to know more. What does our tora and bibles say about this conduct?
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
The 'war' only lasted for one day and then they de-escalated it.
@IsraelKochin
@IsraelKochin Жыл бұрын
The British had already threatened to attack Israeli forces it saw as endangering their hold on the Suez Canal and vis-avis a mutual defense treaty that had been signed with the Egyptian King. They were already sharing intelligence gained from reconnaissance flights with the Egyptians at the very least. The Israeli's assumed that the RAF was making good on that threat. The British were acting like a colonial master and had at the time had not recognized Israel's right to exist. You can read about the parliamentary debate on the incident here, but to summarize: Winston Churchill who was in opposition to the UK's official refusal at the time [Early 1949] to recognize the new Jewish State: "Whether the right hon. Gentleman likes it or not, and whether we like it or not, the coming into being of a Jewish State in Palestine is an event in world history to be viewed in the perspective, not of a generation or a century, but in the perspective of a thousand, two thousand or even three thousand years. That is a standard of temporal values or time values which seems very much out of accord with the perpetual click-clack of our rapidly-changing moods and of the age in which we live." hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1949-01-26/debates/251e0075-50f2-48f0-8d03-45365384cffe/MiddleEast
@zagreb123123
@zagreb123123 Жыл бұрын
😍
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Vidim da u zadnje vrijeme redovno gledaš 😉
@atsonaga5520
@atsonaga5520 Жыл бұрын
Waiting for the next israeli air force and raf!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
You mean the Tempest shootdown? Currently, it's a bit hard to do. We don't have the Tempest in DCS. We have it it IL-2 but there's no desert terrain there.
@jdsaldivar5606
@jdsaldivar5606 Жыл бұрын
82ND AIRBORNE The wingtips of the Spitfire's we're shortened to increase maneuverability... YEEEEEHAW!!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Yup. Downside is that the aircraft doesn't look like a true Spitfire 😉
@jdsaldivar5606
@jdsaldivar5606 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 82ND AIRBORNE Sacrificing Beauty to increase Lethality is a good trade...keep'em coming Amigo!!
@michaelpielorz9283
@michaelpielorz9283 Жыл бұрын
finally a unquestioned Spitfire victory!!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
A couple of them, in fact 😁
@jdsaldivar5606
@jdsaldivar5606 Жыл бұрын
82ND AIRBORNE Supermarine Spitfire!! YEEEHAW!!
@samy7013
@samy7013 10 ай бұрын
Gotta love a video of Royal Egyptian Air Force Spitfires-in their absolutely gorgeous camouflage and markings-bombing and strafing a Zionist military column.
@bjornsmith9431
@bjornsmith9431 Жыл бұрын
Showtime 112 the Jewish insurgency in Palestine 1 February 1944 - 14 May 1948 against the British mandate, the British view jewish has ungrateful, for their help establish the mandate for Jewish colonies in Palestine and helping the Jewish against the Arabs in the Arab revolt 1936-1939 and the Nazi and Fascist, the Jewish view the British blocking them with colonial with the White Paper act. That said the Israeli use B 17 bombers to bomb Cairo and the Egyptian use C 47 cargo planes to bomb Tel Aviv, air warfare was just in its infancy in the Middle East conflicts both side side was in the junk yards looking for surplus World War two equipment.
@samkohen4589
@samkohen4589 11 ай бұрын
And for banning Jewish refugees from trying to flee the German murder factories. The British navy won some great victories during this time such as the Struma and the Exodus. GLORIOUS TIME
@s.marcus3669
@s.marcus3669 10 ай бұрын
MAJOR correction: it's a major misconception among you Europeans that the "Palestinians" were Arabs who were native to the region. JEWS were the original Palestinians since the Romans kicked the Jews' asses in the Second Jewish Rebellion (aka Bar Kokhba Rebellion) from 132-135 CE and renamed Judea as "Palestine" which was the Latin for "Philistina", home of the Philistines, the constant thorn in the side of the Jews in Judea living in modern-day Gaza. Arabs and especially Muslims came along much, much, much, MUCH later in history.
@showtime112
@showtime112 10 ай бұрын
The video is not about politics nor does it try to prove the point of view of any specific side. But thank you for contributing additional info.
@s.marcus3669
@s.marcus3669 10 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 Maybe you should get your nomenclature correct before spreading more misinformation about a people who have been smeared and massacred for centuries because of false beliefs, starting with "you killed our Lord"...
@jamiemezs9891
@jamiemezs9891 11 ай бұрын
That's what happens when you fly into a war zone. 😮
@nekilik7165
@nekilik7165 Жыл бұрын
Zanima me tvoje mišljenje, zašto se jna gadila fox1 raketa do 80-ih godina, po nekoj logici trebali su ih nabaviti 20 godina ranije
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Negdje sam pročitao da su neki od pilota išli u SSSR i da su probali ispaliti radarski vođenu raketu kratkog dometa sa 21-ice (RS-2U mislim). Ali nije im se svidjelo to što se cijelo vrijeme trebao držati radarski zahvat pa su onda preporučili da se ta vrsta raketa ni ne nabavlja. Drugih za MiG-21 nije ni bilo. Ne mogu se sjetiti točnog izvora ali mislim da je to razlog.
@nekilik7165
@nekilik7165 Жыл бұрын
Prelepi spitfajeri, čudno je to kako su izraelci kupovali češke kopije me 109
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Da, stvarno je ironično da je baš prvi borbeni avion Izraela upravo najpoznatiji lovac nacističke Njemačke (tj. njegova varijanta). Ali stvari nekad tako ispadnu.
@nrudnjanin
@nrudnjanin Жыл бұрын
Pročitaj negde o operaciji Velveta 1 i 2 - kako su Izraelci kupovali češke spitfajere mk. IX... i kako su neki od njih nosili jugoslovenske oznake...
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
@@nrudnjanin Podgorica im je bila stajalište na kojem su točili gorivo a tadašnja jugoslavenska vlast je inzistirala da nose jugoslavenske oznade pri preletu.
@user-pn3im5sm7k
@user-pn3im5sm7k Жыл бұрын
Oy Vey
@tertiusimpostor
@tertiusimpostor Жыл бұрын
11:33: he shot down a pilot bailing out? What a barbarian and war criminal! Even Soviet and Nazi pilots did this to their defeated enemies!!
@tertiusimpostor
@tertiusimpostor Жыл бұрын
Sorry, surely they didn´t 🤭
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Nope, he first shot him down and then the British pilot bailed out. But a comment helps with the algorithm 😁
@pmullins8821
@pmullins8821 Жыл бұрын
The entire authorative (accurate) history of ancient Israel of Antiquity, though its torturous rebirth in 1948 (+ the prelude of extended violence 😳 prior to 1948), and continuing today in Oct 2022, is extremely fascinating, exciting, so informative, and relevant to contemporary issues. I strongly recommend studying it for better understanding the broader context of todays societal chaos.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Never a dull moment there, for sure.
@GGreenix
@GGreenix Жыл бұрын
צ'אד מוב🗿🗿🗿🗿
@REPOMAN24722
@REPOMAN24722 Жыл бұрын
Should have been enough for a British deceleration of war on Israel.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
It would have been a very foolish move.
@REPOMAN24722
@REPOMAN24722 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Not at that time, get them while they weak and before they become a menace to the region. (Government not people ) I am quarter Jewish myself.
@samkohen4589
@samkohen4589 11 ай бұрын
They were all set to do exactly that, but the US told Britain TO STAY OUT
@shero113
@shero113 Жыл бұрын
Before this clash there was another Spitfire on Spitfire clash between Egyptian and RAF Spitfires over Ramat David airfield in northern Israel. The Egyptians had not realised that after the British most left, a few remained behind to cover the withdrawl, so attacked them, thinking they were Israeli. Again the British suffered the loss of a few Spitfires, for no losses on the other side. BTW, it is rather offensive to call the Jews 'Settlers'. Many had been there for hundreds of years since their return, whilst some had never left, and had been there since Biblical times.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
This story will be covered too. But Egyptians lost five Spitfires in the attack, four of them shot down by the pilots of 208 Squadron. As for Jews in Palestine, a certain number had lived there since the biblical times but most had really come quite recently relative to that time. Especially after WWII.
@jonredcorn862
@jonredcorn862 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see more prop plane stuff.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
There will be more, I can tell you that much.
@billballbuster7186
@billballbuster7186 Жыл бұрын
The RAF was not at war with Israel, and not flying over Israeli territory. They never expected to be attacked by what was supposed to be a friendly state. The RAF aircraft were clearly marked and known to be in the area, the Israelis chose to attack anyway. This episode came very close to Britain going to war with Israel and soured relations for many years.
@peterbird1076
@peterbird1076 Жыл бұрын
I beleive the RAF aircraft were not carrying ammunition as they were in a policing roll so the two pilots flying for the Israel side should have been credited with a murder and an attempted murder
@billballbuster7186
@billballbuster7186 Жыл бұрын
@@peterbird1076 The RAF were patrolling the Canal Zone and the aircraft were not armed. The Israelis with ex-WW2 fighter aces in their ranks, ambushed them. The RAF planes were painted totally different from the Egyptian, and should have been recognized. Its like in 1967 when Israel attacked USS Liberty, a clearly marked American ship in International waters. It was repeatedly attacked killing 34 and wounding 121 of her crew.
@peterbird1076
@peterbird1076 Жыл бұрын
@@billballbuster7186 Thanks for that I thought that to be the case.
@tearthemhindpartsup
@tearthemhindpartsup Жыл бұрын
@@billballbuster7186 My thoughts exactly.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
I think RAF planes were armed. Otherwise, why would Cooper try to dogfight Goodlin? With his Mk XVIII he could have easily escaped. The Israeli pilots jumped to conclusions but again, seeing your friendly trucks on fire and a bunch of planes flying above them, who would have thought they had nothing to do with it? When the two pilots came back, their superiors were quite upset and worried about possible consequences.
@scarletcrusade77
@scarletcrusade77 Жыл бұрын
Israel is truly our greatest ally
@guaporeturns9472
@guaporeturns9472 Жыл бұрын
Who’s greatest ally? And why?
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like sarcasm to me 😁
@AlmirTaranis
@AlmirTaranis Жыл бұрын
Smells like sarcasm 😏👍
@guaporeturns9472
@guaporeturns9472 Жыл бұрын
@@AlmirTaranis must be sarcasm
@undefinedhuman7404
@undefinedhuman7404 Жыл бұрын
HEY, COOL IT WITH THE ANTISEMITIC REMARKS!
@luisangeli9208
@luisangeli9208 Жыл бұрын
Now I understand it, now it dawned on me why Israel helped us so generously in the Malvinas War! Long live Israel forever, and thanks again for so much help in 1982!
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Alliances and loyalties can change quickly. Britain was all but formally allied with Arab nations in this conflict, including Egypt. But in 1956, it attacked Egypt and allied itself with Israel.
@luisangeli9208
@luisangeli9208 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 WRONG and big mistake in the issue Argentina-Israel, theyt are our brothers for EVER... and 41 years after, they still heping us, try to get this simple fact... I am croatian like you (Rijeka, 23 May 1970, shortly after that,we had to escape to Argentina ), and your lies about Argentina are damaging the credibility of Croatia... by the way, Croatia owes 90 percent of its independence to Argentina, with the 4,646 tons of weapons, rifles, mortars, and 155mm howitzers that we sent to it in 1992-1993... I myself worked with the Argentine officers who supervised those arms shipments in Greek and Panamanian ships..... you should have a bit of honor, and make a video of how old Argentine planes sank NINE British ships bristling with last generation missiles...
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
@@luisangeli9208 What lies about Argentina? 90 percent?
@luisangeli9208
@luisangeli9208 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 4,646 tons of weapons, rifles, mortars, and 155mm howitzers that we sent to it in 1992-1993... I myself worked with the Argentine officers who supervised those arms shipments in Greek and Panamanian ships..
@KKPR533
@KKPR533 Жыл бұрын
The IAF is badass frm day 1. Salute to the israelis
@Nasoorkuwait98
@Nasoorkuwait98 11 ай бұрын
FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸❤️ Evil will never prevail. Truth will always prosper.🇵🇸
@showtime112
@showtime112 11 ай бұрын
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@kugelblitz5812
@kugelblitz5812 Жыл бұрын
Did Israel ever apologize for attacking the British aircraft?
@user-pn3im5sm7k
@user-pn3im5sm7k Жыл бұрын
Of course not, thats like a slave owner apologizing to their slave 😂
@thatdude-cc6ui
@thatdude-cc6ui 11 ай бұрын
​@@user-pn3im5sm7k funny enough, they actually did. And for no good reason really.
@briansteffmagnussen9078
@briansteffmagnussen9078 Жыл бұрын
Israel for ever...
@stevesinclair4159
@stevesinclair4159 Жыл бұрын
There was no war between Israel & the "Palestinians" in 1948 as the "Palestinians" were only created in 1964 in Cairo by Egypt's Nasser, his Egyptian born agent Yasser Arafat & the KGB. The war was between Israel & the surrounding Arab nations with very limited help from the grand Mufti's terror gangs. In the mid-1930's when starting the Arab Revolt against British in Mandatory Palestine the grand Mufti Mohammed Al Husseini rejected any notion of "Palestinian " citizenship for the Arabs & declared in an interview to a Damascus newspaper " We Arabs are all citizens of a Greater Syria " Under the terms of the 1920 San Remo agreement the British Mandate for Palestine ( which included the area what was to be illegally made into Trans-Jordan ) only provided for the creation of a Jewish state ( which the British to their everlasting shame failed to carry out ) & for the protection of the rights of other residents & minorities as existed under the Ottoman Empire - ie, the Arabs were regarded as "Subject People " & stateless nomads and not citizens .
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
For one thing, thank you for contributing additional info. And calling the Arabs who lived in the region under British mandate later split between them and the Jews 'Palestinians' might not be absolutely accurate but calling them Syrians or something else might be confusing. For example, Byzantines didn't call themselves that. They called themselves 'Romans' ,but if you say that 'Romans did this or that in 10th century AD', people might not understand what you mean.
@stevesinclair4159
@stevesinclair4159 Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 The "Palestinian" Grand Mufti Mohammed al Husseini from a wealthy Arab family in Jerusalem & their original leader was the one who defined them as Syrians because during Ottoman times the area that is today 4 separate states - Israel, Lebanon, Jordan & Syria where all part of the Ottoman Turkish province of Syria & ruled from Damascus. After starting the 1936 Arab Revolt in Mandatory Palestine against the British he resided in French controlled Syria & later with the help of the Vichy French moved to Berlin where he was Hitlers guest & advisor on Arab affairs and raised 3 Muslim SS divisions to fight for Germany in the Balkans & as concentration camp guards ( about 30K Muslims mostly from south eastern Europe joined the SS plus around 2K Arabs including Palestinians, Iraqis, Syrians & Egyptians ). in 1946 after WW2 now a convicted war criminal wanted by the British he returned to Syria to coordinate attacks on Jews in Palestine & placed his terror gangs under Syrian army control during the 1948 war( He died many years later in Damascus ) You will find details & photos of the Mufti & Hitler on Wiki
@yakuzal1261
@yakuzal1261 Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍🇮🇱
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting!
@jonotarbarta
@jonotarbarta Жыл бұрын
we love palestine 🥰
@michaelwoolaver6113
@michaelwoolaver6113 Жыл бұрын
Not a big fan of the Israelis.
@showtime112
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Many are not but personal likes or dislikes are not the focus of these videos.
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