Exactly, I literally saw a K-pop stan calling an 18 year old ancient💀

It goes way back. Irene was 23 when RV debuted, and even back then people commented she was "too old" to debut.

And in western pop it’s normal to get big from 18-27. 😂 I’m so uncomfortable about 12 year old pop stars.

Yes exactly and most of the time 22-23 year olds are the fresh out of college, generally younger people. Entertainment Industry is a scary place.

people calling sakura, yujin (kep1er) and irene hags when they’re not even old

What about psy

@@christinaweston5313 they're talking about groups not individuals.

@@pijushnaiya9211 i became a fan of suju after most of them already reached 35... but im also a nobody so :/

Me, who is a SNSD and BigBang stan:😶

I'm gonna be 35 in 6 years

Exactly! 😩😩😩

dongsaeng!! lmao

@@liagamer4265 i frel bad about laugjing

And people wonder why there are so many pedophiles now in existence compared to before.

Not really.. honestly idk why people just suddenly drew the line with NewJeans and acted like this is a totally new thing that's never been done before, lots of guy and girl groups had kids at 15 and 16 debuting way before them.

I'm also a teacher and I completely agree. I was a former dancer as a kid and up till like college. I still support the performing arts but I went through eating disorders and so many body issues that girls don't even realize the consequences of sadly. I enjoy kpop but it concerns me with some of their ages as well.

Agreed

They did pick the life they wanted they know what’s coming

But they're too young to fully realize what that entails? Hello?

And I known how bad kpop is since I was their age. No one forced them into the industry. Especially since most of the members were already known/famous before debuting because they had child careers like modeling. So they knew and they still continued to achieve their dreams. That’s how bad they wanted it

Soon I think a fetus will be debuting

@@sparkj0y well damn-

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Just look at kids in the west doing worst than just wearing crop top and shorts . Ppl acting like asian teens are innocent or teens in general. They're not . Even if they debut older they'll still be sexualized by nasty men and women. I'll just support em cuz they're doing what they love . I think ppl who thinks they debut too young are the ones sexualizing them .

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jungkook debuted when he was 15 and he trained when he was 13, and don't get me started on g-drangon.

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agreed

Ike

The same with boystory

If kids want to do that, what is your problem? That you can't get that money at 21 even if you sell your whole self? That's called talent, quit being so bitter.

​@@terrafluent4238 the point lmao,,,, it flew over your head. jeez why ad hominem right away? though, I get your sentiment. But the comment above said "i wish we let kids be kids" it's talking about the world forcing the kids to pursue industries early and grow up. Not necessarily directly, but also through propaganda or peer pressure or other things. Not about whether or not kids want to do it. kids should be allowed to express themselves, but there is a danger to kids (im 17 btw im kids) entering industries this early, especially since it's their formative years and industries have a lot of BS and exploitative BS (what the video this comment is on is about) and a lot of other junk. There's also plenty of haters and assholes everywhere, and in the wrong environment, it would be hard to cope with that.

"I'm like how tf are 16 year olds rich social media influencers traveling around the world, making music, modeling, doing fashion collabs, etc." >> That's what got over your head. A truly good intentioned person would say, let's make weekly mental health check ups mandatory for these children and make sure it's not a case of child labor.

1) Mental health check-ups will NOT help because exploitative job givers will just make the kids ace those tests as well no matter what, and children who have a genuine desire to be someone might screw up. 2) What's wrong with giving up mental or physical health for a dream? Teenagehood and especially childhood really are the best times to start at something because your body and mind are flexible, and when you're an adult you mostly only refine them. 3) "This is okay only if the child wants it". But what a person wishes in life is determined almost entirely by early upbringing and teenagehood emotional moments. Only really sharp strong experiences can change an adult's desire. That's the same thing as the body and mind flexibility. So if you bring the child up in a proper way, they will wish to be whatever you wish them to be :) IMPORTANT NOTE If you put all effort into making your child want to be a doctor and they don't want to be a doctor, it's either you who screwed up by not giving the right type of encouragement (right = the one that actually works and not the one that scares your kid), or it's the teenage experience of the child (less probable). Before you start typing: "BUT DISCOVERING YOURSELF IS WHAT MATTERS!!!!", think about this: What makes you up? What determines what kind of person you shall be? Your genes? Partially. Their role, the upbringing which suppresses them or makes them (the genes) express - all is unknown. Your soul? Get lost, that shit doesn't exist. Your most early experiences plus emotional moments from older age (the older you are, the more emotional these moments have to be to change you)? Most probably. Think of the conclusion yourselves :) It's pretty obvious :)))

I have never heard of this phenomenon. Can you give some example profiles, where the influences are 16-17 and actually doing this? I don't believe this

@You're welcome the only thing that isn’t good is your school grades kid.

Is this really better;

Why would we be proud to say that haha

awkward to say that these idols are the same age as me.. some even younger

Lol I'm also 2008 so I'm the youngest member's age and I cannot imagine putting in this much work and effort and giving up on everything else🤯

I’m not implying that minors who look “older” than their age are the issue. It’s the creeps!

as if simping them 'because they look mature' is any better...

literally like kpop companies are not even trying to hide that their goal is to attract p*dos anymore, they know what they're doing

@@emeline02 mainly because they really tend to shell out money for merch.

I mean is it their fault that anyone latest since birthyear 2000s is a tiny giant?

Kpop is a fad so it will eventually die out like all fads do. K-pop has been around for decades, it's not new at all. People are only interested in it or pretending to be because they want to be a part of what's popular and current. Gangnam Style came out pretty much 10 years ago and everyone didn't obsess over Kpop then, they just liked that one song. Because that one song was popular, and they weren't really interested in that kind of music. Kpop is popular to Americans in the same way that Japan is, just in a trendy way but they don't really care about the culture.

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@@amber619pop nah it’s been there for 20+ years in Korea it’s hard unless sth happens

@@amber619pop something tells me you’re definitely an American. You have that bubble mindset where you think that the west = the world. Even if the “fad” dies in the west, the K-pop industry will still be a huge corporation. Before it even became talked about in the west, it was still very popular all throughout Asia and other places. And will remain that way as it’s been for decades. So basically if and when it dies out in “the west” aka America nothing would change except your exposure to it. It’s toxicity will still be romanticized by all the other K-pop loving countries. You gotta remember the American audience is a lot smaller than most of the other international audiences. Meaning the K-pop industry will still have a huge market to sell its toxicity to.

@@amber619pop "kpop has been around for decades" "kpop is a fad that will die out" make up ur mind lol

Literally💀😭

Pls I laughed so hard ,"I'm on the next lebel" 🤣😭😭😭😭

For girls, yes totally. But for boys I think that the company’s goal is to get as many years before they have to go to the military, so it kind of makes sense why they would debut at like 16-18 ish?

Well how about the fact that before our generation and the current generation, that people in the entertainment industry used to be allowed to be in the spotlight in their 30s and 40s. If you look at movies from the 50s and 60s you can visibly see that the people are no younger than 30 years old. Especially in classic black and white films the entire movies are made up of all adults, unless the plot is about people who are college age or younger. Everyone knows what The Twilight Zone is, and that is a classic example of how the casting used to be back then. Imagine if the entire series of the Twilight Zone was made up of 21-year-olds, I doubt it would be as good..

@@quokkabunny4072 nah... you're acc right but its not ethical,

For older K-pop artists to debut as “mature and adult-oriented” acts? Sure, I don’t see why not. As “youth-oriented” idols? Probably not the best bet since certain concepts are more likely to expire at certain ages. Just saying.

Me tooo I wish their were more groups in their adulthood

Louder

You may make them only to allow to debut at 18, but they will still recruit them at 12-13. They'll have 5-6 years to learn to be the best of the best. You need to raise the age limit to the time they are allowed to recruit the kids.

@@rtfirefly8092 true but isn't it better that way? you also be a trainee less 2 years but still really good but either ways i hope that companies would be less strict and organize the time so it's not gonna overwork the trainees.

Yeah I think it a good idea. At least they will be able to know some of normal life before become an idol. And they can be responsible for their own and their decisions. And those record companies won't use them so easily. Which I'm sure they do with the younger trainees. Kids are not so aware of legal and financial issues so they are easier to convince to anything, long time contracts, less salary and many other stuff.

get rid of age discrimination and let idols and stuff perform til they want and suddenly all problems solved. agree. let people finish high-school and have some education if things fall through. if people debut older, that groomed mentality of young young idols start to shift... and longevity will prevail. it's not a hard shift.. that benefits everyone- putting no cap on age. but industry doesn't want loyalty.. they want fast molding and expiry dates= endless supply

As well as many other ones who debuted this young

Hyuna also talks about how she never had a normal teenage experience or even friends her age because she debuted so young

@@JetteSwan not having friends your age is sadly common among idols who debuted young in their teens... there are other idols who have also mentioned not having any friends their age/not having many friends outside of their idol group

same

That's like all child celebrities ever😂

apparently in China they call these groups fresh meat.. creepi pedos man..

Age is just a number, prison is just a room :)))

if you're above 18 age isn't just a number either lol

@@mochees same!! being a young adult is just like teenagers 2.0. we are still dumb and easy to be exploited.

@@z_bennet4208 bro, 70 year Olds getting exploit3d .. everyone is a kid pretending to adult.. exploitation is everywhere

Good answer

That song.. 🤚

Ironic how everyone was upset when Netflix released that movie "Cuties" because they were all children, but when it's in music it's perfectly acceptable.

ador released a statement explaining the meaning behind the song. baking cookies is supposed to be a metaphor for burning CDs. they're just singing about making their music and how much effort they put behind it

@@jakeey0 Lmao like we would believe that . The song is written by an english songwriter who obviously would know the real meaning of cookie.

@@jakeey0 3:18

I think of the boy bands from way back when doing a reunion tours

thank you sir, thank you

It’s always been like this though

@@kwtelyn_ seriously?! Sorry I don’t know much about K-pop

Its not so much the community, its more of the companies themselves, but if ppl are looking at the kpop groups in the wrong way, then yes, that is concerning

I don’t know. Maybe it is time to stop simping or all about look to just being about music.

this isn't the community, this is the industry.

Honestly, so true

I wonder if the kids in new jeans know or if they’ll have a grotesque realization like Park Jiyoon

and it is messed up. the scout is a person that finds kids attractive. that's thr only examination.. normal people don't find kids attractive like that.. it's messed up thrb ore you think about it.

@@npcimknot958 bruh what whats wrong with thinking a kid is pretty im a kid i think my friends are pretty and attractive whats wrong with that????????1?1?1?

2PM still slaps, and they're in that age group now.

Super Junior's members are all in their 30s, with the oldest few turning 40 next year

If you're looking for a Girl Group, I think I can recommend Brave Girls as they already have members that are over 30?

@@hikarisan422 Brown Eyed Girls too! (3/4 are 40 and above, so not exactly 30s tho)

@@hikarisan422 I think only 1 or 2 of the members are 30. Most of the original members left, and the newer ones are 26 or 27.

i genuinely love newjeans' music and the members are very lovable, but it does concern me how young hyein is... ik ppl say it's the life she chose but even tho she wanted to be an idol is it really okay to have someone born in 2008 debuting like this,,,, i'm aware past idols like taemin have also debuted at 14 but that doesn't mean it's ok... taemin even has talked about how he felt like he missed out on teenage experiences debuting so young

It's a little weird to see a girl my age look older than me and be in this industry. If with the pandemic I already lost important experiences that I would like to live, imagine what it would be like if I were working. Especially if that job is singing and dancing while being watched by adults? That sounds kinda creepy

Sadly, these entertainments only cared about money

Even in the past when kids debuted that young, it was still wrong but at *least* they had some older folks that they could lean on and trust, not just other kids their age

@@lemonatet ye like it’s itzy, Yuna debuted at 15 but her unnies Lia and Yeji were already nearing 20 so that’s fine, the oldest member of NewJeans is literally 18, just entered adulthood.

Same! And inherently uncomfortable with young children being monetised and especially with sexual connotations

most of those guys write their own stuff so are more considered artist that's probably why lol

@@npcimknot958 you got the point, rather than call them idol, artist more suitable

I'm rlly confused, I thought korea was pro looking young. Why have they turned into America?

BoA debuted at 13 years old, Taemin at 14 years old just like her, Jungkook at 15 so it was always like this and I can say many more who debuted at a young age. It's not okay however the girls have already debuted. The only thing to do is ask the company that they have songs that wouldn't give dirty minded people other ideas. Although it's good to bring awareness about kpop idols debuting young, only taking Newjeans as an example as if it was the newest and most shocking thing is beyond me. And for people who are uncomfortable when looking at them because they're older than them then I must ask how did they feel when Taemin, Jungkook, Krystal debuted and how they looked at them. The other excuse they bring up is "at least there were older members in the group". That doesn't change the fact that the member in question is still young. Where was this enthusiasm for these other idols ? But I guess better late than never smh. So yeah if people wanna talk about an issue do it fairly and say and recognize the fact that it has been happening for years... And I must ask how is sexualizing idols the way people do okay just because the member is 18-20 or smthg ? Like some creeps waiting for an idol to hit 18 to start talking about nasty things over them. They would just be sitting and a lot of you guys would be "omg the way they're breathing is" or comments like "my ovaries. I want x to have my babies" etc like they're some sex objects to fantasize on assuming they wouldn't be uncomfortable while looking at those comments because "they're of age. They're not babies/innocent. It was expected of them. It comes with the job" The hypocrisy...

​@@pikapew3428 you really don't wanna make a 13-14 year old look even younger.... especially when you wanna sell them...

Jungkook started young but now there are ppl way younger

You forgot Jung kook... He was debuted with bts since 15 years old, BoA also already made a soloist debut and saved SM from bankruptcy since 13 years old. Kpop industry was really not that healthy, that's what the point of concerns

@@aiskasalsabila2221 the point is , before when two - three idols in a group were 14-15 , the rest of the members were adults for example in bts , jk was 15 but the oldest jin was 20 , old enough to take care of other members, on other hand new jeans oldest member is just 18 just entered adulthood

the lyrics of cookie don’t mean anything bad. Cookie refers to cds

@@kwtelyn_ Right, they’re suggestively singing about CDs. 😆

I felt so uncomfortable reading the lyrics...i really got addicted to the song,it was amazing but they're minors...

@@kwtelyn_ you believe that gaslighting statement?

it doesnt mean anything and u cant convince me it does

@bo oh my

@bo oh my goodness

Wtffff😪

Ditto is the bop, its their actual vibe, i wish they released more songs like that and not about cookies and controversial stuffs.

lol 100 western mind is not even close to how dirty Asian minds are. 🤣 hello Japan 😆 koreas darkweb of cp.. trust.. Asia below the surface is more manic and dirty than the west

"The cookie is their CD" was the absolute worst excuse for those lyrics that they could have come up with. And the translation came from their company, so the company knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

@@Fantastikitty Honestly 🤢 Trying to convince us that they meant literal cookies would have been more believable

@@floralfancy7814 I wouldn't boycott the whole industry, just research who you stan and be aware.

​@@jamesbright3439min heejin is the main problem here.

Money money money 💲💰

Like how they allow child actors

Finally a comment mentioning asians being smart af😭

High school in some countries is from grade 7-12 (e.g. Australia). The effect is still the same. If I hear "Highschool" I'm going to think "13-18yr olds"

@@qwmx I think 14-17 but yeah. 18 ish top I guess cause that’s when you graduate (I graduated two weeks after my 18th birthday cause I’m on the younger side) but if we’re going with Korean standards, she’s in 8th grade and there is still another year left. It’s technically Junior “high” yes but they call it essentially “middle school”

Totally agree, it's revolting I've seen many stans complain how "their poor idols are so mistreated by the company, so they have to support them"... Like, what? Don't they see they are supporting the company as well? I think the industry promotes that image of the idols, like, showing how much they exhaust themselves practicing, starve themselves...and let the people put the blame on the company because it will move fans to pity and support the group 🤦🏻‍♀️ it's really messed up Oh, and don't forget, this kind of comments we are doing is "hating behavior", we're just " jealous of their success" 💀

THAT WAS A HARD SPILL AND MY EXACT THOUGHTS k-pop stans are hypocrites they'll eat up everything once it appeals to them not looking into what their behaviour is doing to those children.

You got older, not them younger. I’m 40 and I love all the groups and they’re all younger than me, even super Junior. Don’t idolize them, just appreciate them

@@annie.hi. ayo 📸📸📸📸📸📸📸

Isn't it bizarre that although the average person lives into their 70's and 80's, and if you were to ask people of those ages whether they considered being 20-30yrs old 'a late starter' or 'past it' they would most likely strongly answer "no", when it comes to USA and Korea's entertainment industry, we consider it as being totally plausible that a 14 year old should work a full time job in the public gaze 24/7, being made into a brand, their mental health compromised, and that they are from then on running out of time before they become old in their 30's.

100 if thry weren't so sexualize I think there would be no problem. I think these companies really need to be Investigated. the people choosing their outfits, make-up, choreography, director, social media, manager. everyone. the is image qas selected by a committee of groomers and predators. I'm sorry. it's thr only explanation for their image.

also, I don't think they're too young to debut. Japan it's 10- 12 lol.. BUT it's the content. if you are singing kid songs and covered vs clearly being groomed to look like an adult..