The retarded song in the background that you put ruined the video

Thanks for the video, no matter how many playthroughs I do I'm never making those choices.

If i liked it, well I didn’t like it i now have confirmed why i never wanted to do a renegade play through.

@@cmoore421 I've played some pretty renegade playthroughs, without killing any friends.

for such dumb clip the best u could do is unsubscribe

Yep, since the beginning

This is why i love garrus. His reasoning skills are amazing

Ever since I saw a Turian in 2007, then ran into Garrus on the first playthrough, I knew he would be with me for over a decade 😭

Yeah hitlers bro

​@@clancys_creed3037that ain't reasoning, it's rationalizing

Ngl, the first time I heard that line I thought he said "Damn whore" 😂

​@@Spinosaur101We are two now

@@sakuradabp6400 We are Legion now

Favorite game series

I thought he said whore, because that's what Shepard is doing. Selling himself to get what he wants.

Did he say damn war or did he say damn Mor, like he gave mordin a nickname?

@@X--pv7kz He said damn war because of how bad things were getting in the Reaper war.

I have not touched this game even once and this line hurt to hear.

he said "damn whore" because his balls were itching from all the std's he has

He actually can go along with it, depends on wrex being dead/not recruited, and the cure research being incomplete

Me2 renegade: strong, silent type. Me3 renegade: Hitler's great grandson.

I agree. Paragon till Death. I couldn't even try doing Renegade, unless it's the cool scene of breaking a sword.

I played full renegade. You can actually convince Mordin instead of killing him, but like some of the solutions are really hard to choose.

​@Forgotten_Melody you have to make 'bad' decisions elsewhere in the series. Both Wrex and Eve have to die; on Virmire and by not saving Maelons data.

I agree. Some renegade options are funny. But this? It just seems too cruel

Normally wouldn’t, just did for the video

​@LumberJack Gaming only acceptable reason

Just those who end shooting at their schools

I've killed Wrex twice. First time was as shown in this video. Second time on Virmire. But, I never claimed to be normal.

I mean no normal person is killing Mordin but here we are lol

I agree. He also didn’t try to judge Shepard, he instead even tried to empathize with Shepard’s choices

It is undoubtedly the morally wrong decision though.

Just get Wrex killed in 1 and destroy Maelons data in 2, and boom - you have Wreav being the sole leader of the Krogans, and suddenly not curing the genophage seems like the better choice - and not only that, Mordin goes along with it.

Than you havent uncoverd the hidden dialog Garrus snaps at Shepard.

Don't sabotage with Wrex, he and Eve will control the vast majority of Krogan. With Wreav? Always, because he wants to start another war right after the Reapers are dead, and he won't mention Mordin helped, so the blame falls on him.

Maybe. But he hasn't done anything wrong here. The Krogans have proven that they are not capable of existing peacefully, and if they are cured, the second Krogan campaign against the galaxy will begin. There is no point in taking such risks when the galaxy is devastated by the Reapers.

​@@DreamWalkerVl It's how you betray Wrex and Mordin that makes me feel bad. The krogans have already showed the universe what they are before and after they got poisoned.

Nope. A game that makes you feel bad for doing something bad is just that, a game that makes you feel bad for being bad. It has no influence on wether the game is good or bad.

Definitely will say the game director who made those decisions definitely knew how to make us feel loss for our more brutal actions no matter how gray we think those actions are. Shows how well they can convey feelings to us players.

@@AnonD38 depending on the game it has everything to do with if the game is good or bad.

Nearly cried? I weeped

man i would never do this i couldn't. they truly became people i cared about . i have played mass effect trilogy about 4 times and i still make the same choices i love these characters.

Mordin dies if you're good regardless. If you do a few Renegade things you can actually save him

I cried my damn eyes out!

@@kylerobenhorst7242 yep, all you need is Wrex to die in ME1 (Ashley can do it so it’s not renegade) and to destroy Maelon’s research so Eve dies, you can bring up how Wreav is psychotic and without Eve to guide him *will* wage war on the galaxy, Mordin agrees and fakes his death to work on the crucible

I loved Javik, he knew his opinions and why he held them.

Very true

And paragon makes the final bosses shoot themselves

​@@shadownight9956lol

Indeed

"A bully has no friends when he needs them most.."

I think he sees the necessity of it. What REALLY boggles the mind is that he stays on your side even if you make the wrong choice on Rannoch. No one should ever follow Shepard again after that. But especially not Garrus.

He's looking at the bigger picture when his homeworld is on the verge of annihilation. What's more important to you, your home or someone elses?

I completely understand. I get a lot of comments saying the same thing

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I had almost both maxed out because you get renegade points just by being a badass. You don't just have to be a dick to get them

When I play renegade I act like an asshole to assholes and kind to my crew and good people. Works for me bc still get enough points for the important decisions🤷🏻‍♂️

And I don't even understand what it means to play paragon/renegade. I always play and make decisions I'm most comfortable with, some of them being paragon, some of them being renegade, and not even once have I had a problem with not having enough points to do this or that. This game is about making choices, and people are doing shit like "this will be a good/bad playthrough".

I understand I didn’t sabotage on my first couple play throughs either but for this one I did fully renegade one

Little fun fact, if you destroy the research in me2 and wreav is in charge you can convince mordin to save himself. He still disappears after that but at least you know deep down you saved the best scientist salarian

Fun fact: Wreav ain’t smart enough to figure out you faked the cure. It’s a way to get salarian AND krogan support at the same time.

Yup couldn't bring myself to do it no matter how many play throughs. "Had to be me"

If you sabotage them under Wrex you're a monster but if you cure them under Wreav you're insane.

Way better

Umm, no, all the best Star Wars games were made before Mass Effect.

@@chrisnorris3641Yes but what he’s saying is that the universe of Mass Effect was introduced in a gaming universe and Star Wars wasn’t.

@@deepthe2972 Yes It was. The Old Republic The OG Battlefront 1 and 2, Academy...

@@chrisnorris3641 No hes saying the star wars already existed and mass effect introduced a new one

I know right! Even though I know Garrus is no stranger to loss given he’s Turian, but that line always gets me, especially in a full renegade play through.

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"damn whore"

not if youve watched gamerpoop

& it never gets old either.

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Um, yeah it's just a game dude, no one gets hurt. Maybe express some of that empathy for real people in the real world?

@@Cheepchipsable It's exactly that its a game that its the safest place for us to process these emotions and experience them. Emotional connection is one of the best parts about stories, fantasy or real. Feeling more here, for this game or for anything doesn't mean we feel less for something else or someone else.

That’s understandable, it’s a whole lot of unnecessarily rough choices

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It's interesting, from a completionist standpoint, but FUCK is it heartbreaking. I miss the version of BioWare that still had their soul, before they auctioned it off for thirty pieces of silver to EA.

I could only stomach killing Wrex the first time on the first game. But doing it to him at the 3rd? Nope. I can't bring myself self to do it. But Wrex's brother? Yeah, fuck that guy. lol

I'm thinking of giving it a try,I've played ruthless before which was not bad I've played ME like 20 times over the years I kinda wanna give renegade Shep a try plus looks super Kool glowing red eyes and scars

Same for me, except in ME2 I mainly had Mordin and Grunt/Thane. Very painful outcome either way.

You can't at that point. It's too late.

Desperate times call for desperate measures, this is pretty realistic tbh.

Considering how in the long term a rapidly breeding Krogan race could cause a lot of problems in the long term for the galaxy because of how warlike they are…its actually a pretty valid, but ruthless path to take.

I mean there is a choice if mordin is talked down to cure the genophage after the reapers are dealt with. Idk if wrex still tries to kill you or whatever happens to the krogans if you sabotage the cure (I haven't so I only know it backfires bc of wrex so idk how it backfires either) but it is dialogue within the game. And I mean it makes the most sense but usually only if wreav is in charge which I believe is the only time you can talk mordin down bc wrex is more reasonable. (I wouldn't know fuckin Ashley shot him my first playthrough and I was unaware he was such a major character until the end of me2 and I have no interest in replaying the first two games again)

For me it's Garrus and Liara. Garrus sticks by your side through everything and often mirrors your moral decisions. Liara believed in you so hard that she scoured an icy hell, made a deal with terrorists who hate her kind, and was willing to sacrifice everything for Shepard. No one else was as loyal as those two.

Hmm... mayby Minthara from bg3? Garus still a bro

@@TheLIMAK8 She’s still an evil option, which is fine if you’re an evil route. Most people like to be the good guy in RPG, though (statistic don’t lie). Garrus fits both versions of Shepard. He’s loyal to you regardless.

@@fearlesseye5896 you can now save her as a good char :D

And then telling you it was pretty much all for nothing, lol.

Even prior to that, Hackett mentions the Salarians as a whole know the score and start working to support the war effort behind the Dalatrass’s back.

​@@dabbingtoast7743Yeah but that's only Certain elements like STG not the whole salarian fleet

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Yes, you should never crumble under popular opinion in story telling.

Yeah, she definitely knows how to hit with her words

When did Jack say this?

​@@FathersUnited-fuIf you pick the paragon speech option at the end of her recruitment mission in ME2

Ah Jack, always talking like a suicide mission volunteer

I did it on my first playthrough, but immediately reloaded the last save and cured the genophage since I couldn't talk him out of it Couldn't bring myself to go through with it, pity he died in the explosion anyway

I did it on my first playthrough

sadly me3 has a only a "good or bad" route. Salarians help you anyway if you go full paragon and cure the genophage. So weirdly enough the only way to have a high war assets is to go full paragon. Which is quite a shame, the main reason why me1 choices were loved was because they were debatable. In me3 chosing renegade is just stupid and doesn't make any sense.

Well you can't talk him out of it at that point.

Me

Unlike Mass effect Andromeda I had no connection with the character's in that game

This ☝🏻💯

You actually had nightmares? Dang bro

Did it on my first playthrough

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I'd say it was more about Luke and Anakin. One is about bringing out the best in people. And the other is about making heartbreaking sacrifices for what you believe has to be done.

No, the paragon choices have also ver wholesome pay offs, like being able to convince the quarians to stop shoting the geth while Legion upload the code, you can only do that if you have enough paragon points, and then just like that you end one of the worst conflicts the galaxy ever saw. Otherwise you would be killing friends or not solving any problem at all. Most folks play the paragon not just because is easy but also because they want to see the best in the worst circunstances. Paragon path is well written and full of epic moments, Shepard does feel like legendary knight in shiny armor doing the the right stuff, being the best of mankind, making the best out of sacrifices other people made for Shepard... Yes, the renegade path is also amazing, but is a hard pill to swallow, most folks don't have the guts to play as renegade, because Shepard becomes a walking and talking dark cloud of tragedy, and not a beacon of hope that the paragon Shepard is.

​@@efxnews4776actually no you have to do very specific things in me2 and me3 in order for peace to be an option. I was fucked over bc I did literally everything else but tali wasn't an admiral so I couldn't do it despite every quarian except gerrel agreeing that the war needs to stop if you talk to them.

Like the song name

the song name is: As You Fade Away by Neffex

@@LumberJackGamingN7 thanks

The former dies if Wrex is around. Get over it!

That’s understandable, it’s a really crappy thing to do

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I had to. Not just to defeat the Reapers, but for the future I envisioned for the galaxy.

Glad you and I were able to achieve this, stand strong N7

You can actually save shephard if you get everyone to support the war.

The game is designed that way, obviously. Under the circumstances I'm not sure the Salarian help would be that great - what exactly did they bring as a fighting force, since they tended to be high tech and small scale in their engagements. Bodies were needed, so Krogans make the most sense. The Salarians would no doubt fall into line after a few years.

Yes, but you if you don’t like the look, you can still play renegade and remove your scars in the medbay in ME3.

You can remove the scars in medbay in ME2 as well

He's going to die if Wrex is around! Get over it!

I feel like Renegade is literally about doing whatever you feel is necessary and "cowardice" and "courage" are irrelevant. To a renegade Shepard there's no difference between shooting Mordin in the back or the front. Renegade Shep isn't trying to be a hero. Just trying to get shit done. Besides, "shooting someone in the back" is about them being unprepared, unarmed and not expecting it. It's not about whether the bullet literally enters through the back or not. In this instance Mordin isn't surprised. He makes a stand the only way he can - by refusing to give in and hoping that Shepard won't just gun him down. Shepard calls that bluff, but Mordin *is* actively resisting him at the time and I don't see how Shep running a half circle around Mordin to shoot him in the front would make the situation any better. I mean I can't bring myself to play out this scenario but it absolutely makes sense that someone could sacrifice their own morality, dignity and decency to do what they think would save the most lives. Letting yourself be the villain if that's what it takes to save lives is absolutely on brand for a renegade, and ME3 is all about bringing Shepard past their breaking point one way or another.

Curing the genophage is the worst thing to do in the long run. Krogan culture is too immature to handle sharing and respecting others rights.

@@Cheepchipsable proven false in ME3. eve/bakara is an extremely capable, diplomatic, compassionate leader whose goal is to reform krogan society and rebuild so their children have safe futures. wrex is an equally capable leader who values other species' leaders, has proven he's fully capable and willing to work with them to achieve common goals, and is the first person to unify his entire species that we know of. he did that BECAUSE he's willing to change krogan ways of thinking and move away from warfare. his strategy in ME2 is explicitly to unite the krogan against common threats and to make technological and societal progress. in ME3, on sur'kesh, he says that one of the things that'll change as soon as the genophage is cured is the horrific treatment of sterile females, who have historically been sacrificed or chose to sacrifice themselves for the sake of future generations. krogan culture values close relationships (the term "krantt") and the ability to inspire others to work with you and face challenges. turning those values toward global cooperation, resource management, and facing environmental challenges is a fantastic solution.

@@Cheepchipsable in ME3, when wrex is protrayed as not respecting others' rights, this is easily explainable by the horrible situations he's usually in. on sur'kesh, the dalatrass had to have a gun to her head to admit where the fertile females were kept, and then they don't have clearance to land? of course he assumes the STG are down there shooting all the females to stop the cure, or trying to double cross them, etc. that's completely consistent with salarian behavior, even before it's revealed that they used an ecosystem-maintenance station to spread the genophage. regardless of you personally seeing their culture as immature or primitive, that culture is born out of despair and pain. they were wronged by other species, who now ignore their pain and still see them as mindless, uncontrollable brutes. to sentence them to extinction (ME1 wrex points out that they can't breed quickly enough to keep up with the genophage as well as warfare) is the exact mistake that the game goes OUT OF ITS WAY to show you is wrong and unjustified.

"You're a bad person if you don't want to cure the genophage for the warlike, revanchist and hate filled krogan. Peace in our time"

Not if Wrex and Eve are still around.

Not if Wrex and Eve are still around.

Was it ever stated exactly what the Salarians would bring to the party? Krogans made more sense as an immediate fighting force, but of course in the long run I thought it was a bad idea. Though the Krogans had already been beaten before and could be beaten again.

Yeah, I usually do the same and save Mordin. Except for this time where I went pretty much full renegade to record gameplay for YT.

u cant save him unfortunately.

@@inxine You can convince him to go along with the genophage sabotage (he then proceeds to go into hiding and chill at a beach) - I think Eve has to die for this though, so you have to destroy Maelons data in 2.

That’s fair

In the paragon playthrough that's pretty much what happens. Not long after the Salarians throw their support in anyways after the attack on the CItadel. Making this "hard choice" rather pointless. Don't get me wrong, I love Mass Effect, but there is definitely a tendency to nudge the players on a certain path despite giving you all the options and the paragon choices very rarely have any real consequence, making a renegade playthrough have little impact. If only in real life were it so simple.

@@compmanio36 To be fair, it does make sense in a regard. The Reapers kicking the ass of every race in Council space along with you saving the Salarian councilor twice in addition to the Crucible being the only feasible option to try anything against the Reapers pretty much ensures the Salarians are along for the ride whether they like it or not. Strictly as a going in first time blind plot device though? Excellent moral dilemma that definitely made me think.