When Spiritual Gifts Stop

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What does the Bible say about spiritual gifts ending? Learn how understanding the mystery of Christ can help you resolve this controversy in this lesson, “When Spiritual Gifts Stop.”
Find the outline here: graceambassadors.com/mystery/...
Grace Ambassadors Bible Fellowship - April 18th, 2021

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@dkgrace6743
@dkgrace6743 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, that is what I call bible study. Thank you for clarifying a difficult and controversial subject.
@rebeldragonfighterchannel8798
@rebeldragonfighterchannel8798 2 жыл бұрын
That’s Godly edification
@rickorider
@rickorider 3 жыл бұрын
An excellent exposition from Justin. So clear to understand why the gifts have ceased dispite the claims of many in the Pentecost/Charasmatic teaching. Now I know why folk were repeating the same words "in tongues" over and over again year in year out at the church I went too. I used to think I had more words in English than they did in tongues! Thankyou Justin for such a clear message...it explains what we now have in Christ.
@roga49
@roga49 3 жыл бұрын
Great teaching,thank you brother Justin
@gracebeliever127
@gracebeliever127 2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful thank you Justin
@christychand277
@christychand277 2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@St._Jaden_P
@St._Jaden_P Жыл бұрын
I would say that one of my arguments out be... If the gifts of the spirit in regards to healing, miracles, tongues, prophecy, etc, have creased and died with the Apostles of the completion of the canon, please explain why there are an abundance of accounts after the first century, of miracles, tongues, foreseeing of certain events, miraculous cures, exorcising of demons, etc.? I can even cite the quotes from the early church fathers and theologians if i need to.
@nancylovelace6544
@nancylovelace6544 2 ай бұрын
In this dispensation of grace we walk by faith not by sight
@nancylovelace6544
@nancylovelace6544 2 ай бұрын
Accounts can be made up
@Dbgrasshopper33
@Dbgrasshopper33 Жыл бұрын
Pentecostals never preach or teach about 1CORINTHIANS14 🤣 their tongues are babbling not languages
@oldglory6922
@oldglory6922 3 жыл бұрын
I love the New Creation teaching but claiming that is what Paul was referring to concerning the end of the charismata is a major stretch. There is nothing wrong with simply saying “we don’t know when spiritual gifts stopped”. That would be a lot more honest and accurate than saying that Paul was referring to Bible “canonization” like many of the other cessationists do.🎚📖🙏🏼
@nancylovelace6544
@nancylovelace6544 2 ай бұрын
He's giving scripture
@dfkuz
@dfkuz 3 жыл бұрын
The reason we Acts 28ers believe that Ephesians was written after Acts 28 is that the middle wall of partition was still up when Paul spoke of the hope of Israel for which he was bound by chains. I realize you’re all Mid Acts so I’m not trying to change your minds, just clarifying the Acts 28 position. We are all in the unity of the faith!
@scottblow7154
@scottblow7154 3 жыл бұрын
Are aware that God said no Symbols? why do people stay in traditions when God said to avoid them? The bible speaks of Tammuz. When you learn about Tammuz the incarnated (Son of BA'Al), you learn that his symbol was the cross. then you research when the cross was used in Christianity you learn that it was not used until 200AD Then you learn that the translations for cross is also stake. Then you learn the ancient statues of Christ on a stake were around before the cross. Then you have to admit that Rome mixed babylonian Greek practice with Christianity. Then you have to ask if the cross was a well known satanic symbol, did Jesus say pick up your satanic symbol or pick up your stake? I'm willing to bet he said stake. This is the same transliteration used to trick the masses into satanic pagan worship. God said no symbols yet in pride and tradition everyone displays this pagan symbol in remembrance of Christ. I bet that just makes God want to puke
@rickcampanella4254
@rickcampanella4254 2 ай бұрын
It's not about the wood, it's about what Jesus did on that cross.
@bugsocsollie1694
@bugsocsollie1694 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, bro, but you're wrong in this. Do we no longer "know in part?" Have we been "face to face" and now "know as we are known?" If we "know even as we are known," we will no longer need Faith and Hope, but both faith and hope remain until this day because we do not KNOW as we are known: we are still seeing through the glass darkly. But then, face to face we shall know as we are known. None of us have that yet. When we see Him, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. When the knowledge is come (know as we are known) we won't need faith and hope, why hope for what you already see? I just get the feeling you're dancing around the "when" and "why" of the spiritual gifts being done away with, that Paul tells us exactly when and exactly why. WHEN, "THEN face to face, we will know even as we are known. WHY: because we know in part, but THEN we will know as we are known. The "what" of that which is perfect, Paul doesn't come right out and say it, probably because he assumes the reader to already know what that is. But he did use the "face to face" wording, which typically means only one thing: face to face with Christ. There is some serious power found in praying in tongues, it's no wonder why Satan wants the Body of Christ to not use it.
@jk11222
@jk11222 Жыл бұрын
I am just wondering if spiritual gifts still exist, why didn’t Paul heal Timothy and Trophimus?
@bugsocsollie1694
@bugsocsollie1694 Жыл бұрын
@@jk11222 if you're referring to Timothy's "frequent" stomach issues, we don't know that Timothy didn't get healed over and over again. All we know from that little mention in scripture is that Timothy had the problem often and that Paul suggests that he stop drinking the water but drink a little wine instead. Sounds to me like the water is bad and is causing these frequent issues for Timothy. I hardly think it's something to solidify a doctrine over. That would be walking by sight and not by faith. For example: in Matthew 17 the Disciples could not cast the demon out of the boy. Most of the church today stops right there and makes a doctrine out of the boy not getting healed because it "obviously" wasn't God's will to heal him. Except that God did come and heal the boy. When the Disciples asked how come they couldn't cast out the demon, Jesus answered them saying, "because of your unbelief..." Jesus didn't have the issue of unbelief, but the Disciples did, eventhough they just got back from a healing and casting out demons crusade. Jesus could not do many mighty works in His hometown except heal a few, because of THEIR unbelief. It's difficult to say that it wasn't God's will to heal all of them, when He was marveling at their unbelief. Mark 6:4-6. Again, not something to build doctrine on: salvation will be pushed on no one, it's by Grace through faith. Maybe look up the true definition of the word Salvation. Paul saw a man who had faith to be healed when Paul was preaching. Acts 14. So what was it that Paul was preaching where this guy believed ( and it showed in his countenance: it could be seen physically), and no one else did? Acts 14:7 tells us exactly what Paul was preaching: the Gospel. In James chapter 5 we're told that the prayer of faith will heal the sick. But the way most Christians see healing today is that if it's God's will to heal then He will heal on a case by case basis. But James 5:15 says the prayer of faith will heal the sick. The prayer heals. It doesn't say pray in faith and God will heal, no, because God already did His part. We just need to receive it by faith. Think of it this way: if you are not absolutely certain that it is God's perfect will to heal everyone, how do you pray a "prayer of faith?" The best you could do is a prayer of hope, but that isn't what James says will heal the sick: the prayer of faith is what heals the sick. But keep in mind, as we see in scripture the one praying and the one being prayed for must believe and have no unbelief. By His stripes we are already healed. He already took the stripes, so healing is already ours for the taking, just as James 5 tells us Elias commands the sky not to rain. He didn't command God to stop the rain, he commanded the sky. That's how we command healing and we do it by faith that it is God's will and He already bought and paid for our healing.
@jk11222
@jk11222 Жыл бұрын
@@bugsocsollie1694 There is no mention in scripture that the people whom Paul had healed had faith and that Timothy and Tropimus did not have faith to believe in Paul’s gift of healings. To imply that both Timothy and Trophimus had no faith in healings and thus Paul could not heal them because they were in unbelief is a conjecture at best. The gift of healing is not necessary in this age of grace because one needs to go by faith not by sight. For unbelievers, they only need to believe by faith that Jesus died and rose again for the forgiveness of their sins to be saved. They don’t have to see healing miracles to be saved. That’s why Paul emphasised charity.
@bugsocsollie1694
@bugsocsollie1694 Жыл бұрын
@@jk11222 I'm not saying they have to see healing miracles to be saved. I'm saying that most of them will not believe in healing miracles (do not believe in healing miracles) because they do not see it. They even justify their unbelief by what they see in scripture. Either way, they are in fact walking by sight and not by faith. Healing isn't just a gift, it's a promise. Isaiah 53:5, Proverbs 4:22, Psalm 91 (especially verses 1 to 2) All the promises of God are Yes, and Amen in Christ. I take it you do not believe that salvation is God's will for everyone??? Or maybe you do not believe salvation means salvation but means "eternal life" only??? But since you seem to be a right divider of truth, let me ask you this way: Which part of Christ's Body does He not deserve to be completely made whole in? Yes, we are in Christ in a spiritual sense, by faith. Every blessing we receive from the Spiritual realm is by faith. Even if the one and only blessing we receive from the spiritual realm is forgiveness and justification, it comes from the spiritual realm through faith. Romas 8:11 says that Holy Spirit that raised Christ from the dead will also give life to our mortal bodies, not to our new immortal bodies, but our mortal bodies. That same Holy Spirit is exactly what makes our mortal bodies a Temple because He is in our bodies. Can sickness, death, disease, demons live where He is? But it still needs to be received by Grace through faith. ...and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation. Salvation means so much more than just living eternally later on, it's life now until eternity. But you don't have to believe this to have eternal life later on. But you do have to believe it to pray that prayer of faith for healing. I'm so glad I found this truth before learning to rightly divide. It has saved me and my family and friends countless times. Do you have scriptural reasons for not believing it's God's will to heal every member of Christ's Body? Or is it just traditional teaching against it that you're clinging to, or by other circumstances in scripture you're seeing? You've got to admit, I've given you some pretty compelling evidence for believing it.
@jk11222
@jk11222 Жыл бұрын
@@bugsocsollie1694 Healing was a promise to Israel. Now, actually it’s not necessary for us to be healed by someone with the gift of healing. We are healed by God by faith.
@homemakercalling1217
@homemakercalling1217 3 жыл бұрын
It was not the Holy Spirit that was poured out in the beginning of Acts. It was the Holy Ghost! Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost are different.
@homemakercalling1217
@homemakercalling1217 3 жыл бұрын
@Ash Jesus Let me clarify. Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit are the same, just as you said. But He worked differently at certain times. Holy Ghost was given to LF with power and Holy Spirit seals the believer when they are saved. Would you say that's what the Bible teaches?
@homemakercalling1217
@homemakercalling1217 3 жыл бұрын
@Ash Jesus So would you say this is LF doctrine? That's what I'm seeing here.... 1 Thessalonians 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. Would you say that this is the gospel that Paul stated in Romans 1:1-4? 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: And would you also say that neither of these passages are talking about the Gospel of the Grace of God by which the BOC is saved today?
@homemakercalling1217
@homemakercalling1217 3 жыл бұрын
@Ash Jesus Awesome! Glad we are on the same page. Thanks for the response! I always appreciate your comments and study of the KJB.
@homemakercalling1217
@homemakercalling1217 3 жыл бұрын
@Ash Jesus All great points. Thank you!! So you would say the BOC gets their gospel for salvation by BELIEVING in his death burial and resurrection found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?
@homemakercalling1217
@homemakercalling1217 3 жыл бұрын
@@victoriarose31 You tell me!
@W.451
@W.451 2 жыл бұрын
This heresy will be dismantled very, very soon and people will hold these personal interpretations against you.
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