Time was, you could get the District Line from Ealing Broadway to Southend. ko-fi.com/jagohazzard / jagohazzard
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@martin.feuchtwanger3 жыл бұрын
Leigh-on-Sea was considered to be in TfL Zone 9 during the 2012 Olympics. It was because mountain biking was at Hadleigh Farm (near LoS).
@richardbrown99112 жыл бұрын
The reason for the demise of this service was that the ancient electric engines used by the District had mostly failed, and by 1939 there were only two left. One took a direct hit early in the War, and the service was therefore not sustainable. These engines dated right back to the times when the big railway companies had running rights over underground lines in certain places, and therefore used steam engines. There was starting to be a lot of consumer resistance to smoky filthy tunnels, so Government required the big companies to buy these electric engines for use underground. The other side effect of running LTSR coaches through District tunnels was caused by the toilets in the coaches. Like all railway toilets of the time, they flushed through a hole in the floor and so, to avoid nasty smells, the world's first retentive toilets were invented for them. There would have been great relief in the LTSR sidings after 1939 - they didn't have to clean the toilets out any more.
@Hammondfreak3 жыл бұрын
I can understand why LT withdrew services to Southend. If they had kept it with four rail upgrade perhaps Brighton would have eventually wanted the Northern line to be extended from Morden. What a ride that would have been !!!
@oldplucker13 жыл бұрын
Southend was the south end of the village of Prittlewell in the 1700’s but because of its close location to London and miles of beaches became a seaside resort. Stagecoaches, Trains and Steamships brought holidaymakers from London. The Pier was one of several on the east coast including Clacton and Walton which paddle steamers visited. There was also a service to Kent to Hern Bay, Margate and Ramsgate. My Father lived in Southend working as a portrait artist and actor with his own theatre company and often took the steamer to Hern Bay and back.
@Peasmouldia3 жыл бұрын
I liked the LTS route as a kid 'cause it was still steam then. Passing a BR standard as we got off at Benfleet was truly awe inspiring as a 5yr old. Sometimes, engineering work would divert your train over the Tilbury route coming back from "Sarffend", which seemed to take forever for us kids. Bear in mind, it would often be non-corridor stock. My Mum travelled back to London during a Luftwaffe raid. She said it was raining incendiaries, but they didn't stop, and just went for it. No tunnels for refuge, I guess. Nice one JH, ta.
@physiocrat71433 жыл бұрын
The route had its own special three cylinder tank engines built because the LMS did not consider the route was worth electrifying.
@glenatkinson12302 жыл бұрын
Wow. Thanks for the memories. I can only imagine the horror but probably a bit of adventure for the young'uns. My Grandfather was in Royal Navy during WW2 and heard stories from my Da. Greetings from Canada.
@brad_mcallister3 жыл бұрын
21 views in 2 minutes at 8am... That's an achievement in itself, the power of interesting content
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
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@turbo.panther3 жыл бұрын
8am in London is 6pm where I am, and lots of other times for lots of other places............
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
No worries, I’m not offended - I’m just being silly.
@ntsst33 жыл бұрын
Its 330am here in Pennsylvania USA
@timsully89583 жыл бұрын
Gosh! My stomping ground! 😀 As far as I know, the water tower at East Ham has probably been there since the year dot as it is on the original alignment. Funnily enough, I use it when travelling eastbound (down) to pop a bit of brake on to slow down for a speed restriction around East Ham depot 😉 Those abandoned platforms are actually used as refuges to allow passengers to alight if there is a major fault.😳 The current tracks used by c2c were added later to accommodate the increase in traffic after the developments around Barking, Becontree, Hornchurch and Dagenham. Originally the LTS stopped at Hornchurch, Dagenham (now Dagenham East) and Upney, which is why additional platforms were built on the new ‘fast’ lines. West of Barking, WestHam did not have LTS platforms but the other stations still had a stopping service. LTS ran a shuttle out of Plaistow bay platform to Fenchurch Street at peak times to ease congestion (it was where the main LTS engine shed was found). My father in law can remember mainline services still stopping at East Ham in the 50s, and the now-abandoned bay at East Ham which still ran trains via a long abandoned curve onto the North London line to Broad Street and St Pancras. I think the change of engines may have come from the original layout at Barking, i.e. before the flyovers were built. The District electric platforms lead into a dead end depot and served what are now platforms 4 and 5. Thus if they used the electric engines into Barking they couldn’t change engines. Mainline LTS (i.e. via Upminster) services then ran through what is now platform 2 and 6. If you want top info, try the books by Peter Kay. I have 7 of them all about the LTS and it is a wonderful source of everything LTSR 👍
@Ribeirasacra3 жыл бұрын
Me too. Lived near Barking Station. Grandparents near to Heathway. Always been interested in history, a little interested in railways too. Never recall seeing the supports benches etc which were of the old companies. Southend Central station has always seemed to be neglected. A brief glance here seemly shows not much has changed. Shame as some architectural details are superb.
@timsully89583 жыл бұрын
@@Ribeirasacra: yeah I live in Leigh and Central is a shadow of what it once was. Even when I first lived down this way in the early 80s it was a bit grotty. Then they demolished platforms 5 &6 and sold it all off, and then they built the glass and steel thing that looks like a greenhouse which all in all mean it looks a bit haphazard. A bit like London Bridge did until recently (albeit without the dogshit brown 1970s tiling 😅😂🤣). I am lucky because from the cab, I get to see things to which just flash past you in the carriage 😎🍀 The whole line is a bit cobbled together:the reason you have the tight bend at Bow Junction is because the line we now use via Bromley, Plaistow and Upton Park was actually a later short-cut installed to divert trains off the Liverpool Street line between there and “Little Ilford”, which is the junction where you find EastHam depot 😜👍
@andrewfrancis35913 жыл бұрын
From what the old drivers told me the water tower at Barking was to service the steam powered engineering trains that run on the District until the early 70's. So may not be that old comparatively speaking. It's small size supports this.
@highpath47763 жыл бұрын
Plaistow depot, the land became a Car Dealers, I presume it is now housing
@timsully89583 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Francis: the original depot to the immediate north of the station remained as a garage even after the buildings were demolished and rebuilt in the same foot print. The later depot- which was to the south of the railway and the other side of what we call”Sewer Bridge” to Plaistow station- is now occupied by a sport and leisure facility that also accommodates East London Rugby Club. The goods yard which was on the south side of the line and sat immediately alongside he London-bound ‘up’ platform was razed and is now occupied by housing
@martynnotman34673 жыл бұрын
The allure of possibly seeing from a mile away a lady scandalously showing her toes must have been a great draw. 😂
@michaelcharles4797 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Benfleet in the 50s. I'm fairly certain that the BR trains on the Fenchurch Street line still stopped at East Ham at that time. At Tilbury there used to be a rail extention down to the wharf where the passenger liners used to dock. The old customs hall is still there, right next to the ferry that still runs across the river to Gravesend.
@rhyslindup59743 жыл бұрын
The pier also had a steamer service to a town called Herne Bay in kent.
@finestadversary20603 жыл бұрын
Herne Bay 🤔 An international listener going out on a limb here BUT that sounds like a name of a legal case to do with the coronation of Edward VII? I prob got the last part wrong.
@lordyhgm92663 жыл бұрын
Live near Herne bay and you can still see the tourism industry that the line provided, same with Margate.
@rhyslindup59743 жыл бұрын
@@lordyhgm9266 oh nice I live in Herne Bay it self.
@rhyslindup59743 жыл бұрын
@@finestadversary2060 ah no the town has named by it being between the small village of Herne and a Bay.
@teletubby66143 жыл бұрын
I like hern bay also whitstable is very nice
@alexritchie45863 жыл бұрын
'By the 19th Century, Southend had become a fashionable seaside resort.' (Deliberate pregnant pause) 😂
@MrGreatplum2 жыл бұрын
Glad it wasn’t just me that spotted that!
@Jo1066milton3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I live in Southend on Sea. The line used to be known as "The Fenchurch Street Line" by locals until C2C was invented. I didn't know about the underground connection. We're still "The Eastenders' playground" and have hundreds of thousands of London visitors every summer.
@mossygreen2790 Жыл бұрын
It was the eastenders beach holiday (1day, if they were lucky?). I was told by my nan many moons ago, that the District line only had a few stops. After East Ham, next stop Upminster(?), then on to Southend(?) So no barking(possibly?), no upney, heathway, D.east, E.park, Hx, etc? Now whether, I have totally remembered this correctly, I don't know, as it was a long time ago? But I was asking her if she ever used bathing machines, lol.
@DangerousDac3 жыл бұрын
Blimey, an almost complete overview of my train, uni and commuter lines I've taken in my life in one video.
@zane9903 жыл бұрын
I've never been to London or even the UK, but this was still a very interesting video. You have a good voice for documentaries, I think. And good storytelling.
@johnsamu3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and good storytelling. One remark though, when you're telling something like "these stations are very close to eachother" it would be helpful to show a little map to point out where these mentioned spots are. Unless you're a citydweller you really don't know where these stations/streets are and it's hard to imagine the situation. It's very interesting to learn about all the history behind all these old facades and (sometimes abandoned) buildings.
@ianmoseley99103 жыл бұрын
johnsamu There does seem to be some confusion over the location of Whitechapel St Mary's - some maps show it as having entrances almost next to Aldgate East but older maps show it as more or less where the East London Mosque is now.
@whyyoulidl3 жыл бұрын
I found it fun actually hunting down the disused St. Mary's station with street view and pausing/rewinding Jago's vid. Took me a little while, including the inevitable distractions of viewing other 'abandoned stations posts'. A great way to surf the evening away...
@ianmoseley99103 жыл бұрын
whyyoulidl and?
@1963TOMB3 жыл бұрын
It's a shame that the Northern Line never got to Skegness
@2H80vids3 жыл бұрын
Skegness is maybe pushing it a bit but, if you include the Northern City branch through Finsbury Park, you could reach all sorts of places, then and now. If the Underground/main line junction at Finsbury Park had happened when originally planned, who knows where through trains might have reached? 😁
@gbeeken1964 Жыл бұрын
I worked for a lot of years on the railways , all of East Anglia and London. I love seeing my old stations I used to look after.
@donnadaffy3 жыл бұрын
This channel is my nerdy little secret shhhhh
@stephenpegum97763 жыл бұрын
We promise not to tell anyone Donna !! 😎😱😱
@whyyoulidl3 жыл бұрын
+1
@ycrep19933 жыл бұрын
I just found this channel and I'm not even British, still can't stop watching 😅
@catinarage55383 жыл бұрын
5 months on and over 100k subscribers! Guess everyone's secret is out.
@TheMusicalElitist3 жыл бұрын
Define ‘nerdy’…
@petermartin38183 жыл бұрын
My father worked at May & Bakers at Dagenham East, and the company used to have a large social section which organised factory family outings and recall catching a works special for a Christmas showing of The Wizard of Oz Ice Show in London from what was then the unused ex LTSR (BR) platform in circa 1960. The special went to Upminster where the new diesel loco ran round the train to return right road, but broke down in the process. The train turned up late to pick us up hauled by a black 5 steam loco from Shoebury or Tilbury shed! It was in a dishevelled state, and never got the number, but it was experiencing troubles of its own. The train being steam heated we couldn't see much as the windows were all steamed up and it was snowing out side! There was another water tower at Upminster which remained at the end of the Romford platform, but I believe it went some years ago. Plaistow Sheds became a Volkswagen Distributors main dealers workshops, but don't know if the buildings still exist. Probably a block of flats! As the LTS became part of the LMS regime, there were apparently St. Pancras / Southend Specials utilising District Line electric locos, probably changing to steam haulage at Upminster or Barking?
@PlainlyDifficult3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always!Imagine if they built 4th rail electrification all the way to Southend! We might have seen the S-7 Stock specced out differently more like the S-8. Or even without the 4th rail a dual voltage S-Stock. Some alternate realty has that! Maybe the same one that the Bakerloo runs to Hayes in!
@YourLordMobius3 жыл бұрын
Are we covering rail accidents soon?
@anumba13 жыл бұрын
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@buggs99503 жыл бұрын
_Alternative_ reality, alternative. You are not American.
@keithspillett3 жыл бұрын
Or Vivarail's D-stock conversions of course........
@buggs99503 жыл бұрын
@Strawberry7Lynn For the Forth bridge obvs..
@PlanetoftheDeaf3 жыл бұрын
Crossrail, 100 years early! Great video, I hadn't realised the District services to Southend ran for such a long time, I'd assumed it was a sort term service.
@highpath47763 жыл бұрын
I thought some were Sundays only
@TheWoodlandpixie3 жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoying all your videos, you have a great way of presenting things, a good voice, and I like your sense of humour. I once found a derelict line, it was the best thing I ever found whilst exploring. There was an ancient beautiful wooden train carriage, loads of old machinery and tons of old metal signs waist deep in a huge shed, just closed off and forgotten. Spent all day there being dangerous/ looking at everything. It's probably knocked down now as this was over 20 years ago.
@lesfez18753 жыл бұрын
Remember as a kid the church club took us to Southend, special excursion steam train from Upper Holloway to Southend via Barking. Got lost and handed myself in to police that wore white helmets in those days (1960/61/62) in Southend. They came back for me and had to catch the electric train Southend to Fenchurch St home. Exciting to even be on a train then and never knew the District ran to Southend.
@JamesCalbraith3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how Kyoto's underground tunnels are also used by suburban railways, so you can get the "tube" all the way to Nara.
@lzh49503 жыл бұрын
8 out of the 10 lines in Tokyo's subway are directly connected to commuter rail lines too (1 of them ( _Tokyu Dentoshi_ ) in turn connects to Yokohama's subway line as well). There're also seaside-bound _Odakyu_ RomanceCar long-distance trains operating out of some of Tokyo's subway stations ( _Hibiya_ line IIRC). & then they're also some downtown subway-like stations & tunnels operated exclusively by commuter rail operators themselves (e.g. _Keio_ in Tokyo, _Hankyu_ & _Keihan_ in Kyoto)
@anthonyfmoss3 жыл бұрын
As I write, over a thousand upvotes to one down and hopefully that was a mistake! One of the highest ratios I can recall. A testament to the fascinating content we get from Jago!
@davidwilliams13963 жыл бұрын
Some really nice attention to detail in this one. The ironwork and old signage particularly. Great vid
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@michaeljames49043 жыл бұрын
The allure of brass bands playing tiddly-om-pompom was considerable.
@TheWoodlandpixie3 жыл бұрын
Tis the only way one should walk along the prom prom prom
@2H80vids3 жыл бұрын
@@TheWoodlandpixie 🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵 🍦🍨
@simonjames29743 жыл бұрын
Ceased in 1939 due to the threat and then outbreak of WW2. The water tower at East Ham is a survivor from the service which once ran from there to Gospel Oak before it was diverted to Barking. Some of the coaches from the through train which were jointly owned by the District and Midland Railway were sold to the Army and ended up on the Shropshire and Montgomery shire Railway when the army took that over in WW2.
@EssexWolf19933 жыл бұрын
Southend-on-Sea is my hometown! 😁
@moleyofsouthend-on-sea88373 жыл бұрын
Me Too! I still live here in Southend !! :-)
@TimMiddleton3 жыл бұрын
me too!
@D5300noah3 жыл бұрын
My home town is a place called Lichfield
@wilfridwibblesworth26133 жыл бұрын
Ahoy there Jago! - At 0:13 you can see the base of the NLA tower in Croydon and I heard that needed to be such a strange shape because there was a little old lady who refused to sell her house when the plans went through so they just had to build the tower around it or something. It might be an urban myth but what isn't nowadays!
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that another ‘nail house’ may have left its mark there.
@frasermitchell91833 жыл бұрын
From Fraser Mitchell, husband of Leslie Some time in the 50s when me and my brother were staying at Grandma's at Putney, she took us out for the day to Southend. I can't remember the detail of the journey, but obviously we had to change somewhere. We started on the District Line at Putney Bridge Station. We also had a trip on the pier railway as well. A good day out all round !
@AndrewG19893 жыл бұрын
I would imagine if the District Line went all the way to Southend-on-Sea. But now you got c2c and Greater Anglia providing services from London to Southend. With c2c trains from London Fenchurch Street to Southend Central and Shoeburyness and Greater Anglia trains from London Liverpool Street to Southend Airport (for London Southend Airport) and Southend Victoria. Plus I live near to both lines and Southend-on-Sea.
@ramblingrob46933 жыл бұрын
love how you find the smallest detail which still exists. Ive seen the water tower but the rest of the detail never took any notice
@stevesalvage10893 жыл бұрын
Another very interesting film , didn't realize , would explain my grand parents moving to Southend pre war from bow road and returning to London often , thank you !
@marcconyard50243 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video for me as I have a family connection with relations living at Tilbury, Benfleet and Hadley. I spent some time in the area back in 1998. I was lucky to ride and photograph the Class 302 slam door sets not long before their withdrawal.
@schwarzalben883 жыл бұрын
I think the District line Southend trains were withdrawn on the outbreak of WWII, and of course never resumed post war. I’m a retired BR worker and I still get free travel over the District line to Upminster ( I can’t remember off hand where from at the London end.) The District line basically took over the local LTS service as far as Barking from the LTS, that’s when the Tilbury line platforms were closed at places like West Ham.
@ianmoseley99103 жыл бұрын
schwarzalben88 I think there were occasional excursions services from the Tilbury line platforms in the 50s
@wendyrual71793 жыл бұрын
I now feel the need to sit on a Tilbury line bench 🤗 💕 Tea for 2d!
@steeveedee43073 жыл бұрын
When listening to Jago I'm always struck by the thought that he must be a right laugh to listen to down the pub.
@QuarioQuario543213 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if it came back. At one point the metropolitan wanted to run trains from Manchester to Paris
@samanli-tw3id3 жыл бұрын
A subway between Manchester, London and Paris?
@QuarioQuario543213 жыл бұрын
@@samanli-tw3id It never happened and barley any of it would be underground. I’m not entirely sure where the link between the sub surface lines and mainline was meant to go. Or where it would enter the channel tunnel. The terminal would be Paris Gare Du Nord, as metropolitan line trains are way too big to fit in Paris metro tunnels.
@L4LTVuk3 жыл бұрын
As a kid in the 60s I regularly used to get the Eastern National Bus from Wood Green to Southend - it took a couple of hours and I'd play the only electronic games machines with my pocket money on the arcades at the seafront. In fact it was only one game - a submarine shooting down a trawler. Happy Days! That would be another video entirely.
@TransportGeekery3 жыл бұрын
The district also used to go to Windsor, presumably for similar reasons as Paddington is also awkward to get to.
@warweezil28023 жыл бұрын
As a District line guard we used to joke about how nice it would be to do a “Rounder” to Southend.. that would be a duty I’d enjoy
@RobertMitchell-qh5jg3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant as always The coaches used on this service were probably the first in this country to have retention toilets ( for obvious reasons !) . One of them ended up as a holiday bungalow at Dungeness ( visible from the Romney Hythe and Dymchurch railway). But it was destroyed in a fire in the late 1970s. Keep your films comeing keeps me going in these strange times !
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Didn’t know about the bungalow thing, interesting! I’m planning to film down there next year.
@Natterlee3 жыл бұрын
I think the retention toilets were actually locked out of use whilst on District metals. Seems a little bizarre
@Dr_KW3 жыл бұрын
Jago you are a true gem love watching your videos before I fall asleep, thank you for putting out quality content so often recently
@IanPhillipsWildlife3 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of taking a boat from London Bridge to Southend. Another great video.
@timblacker373 жыл бұрын
You are, in my opinion, a latter day Jonathan Meades. Not sure if you are familiar with him, but he made a series of fascinating documentaries on a variety of topics in the early 90’s called ‘Abroad in Britain’ and his documentaries were delivered in an absolutely deadpan style with complex language, laced with caustic wit and surreal interludes. He was an absolute genius, and take it as a compliment that I think you deliver your documentaries in a very similar style to him.
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks!
@hatjodelka Жыл бұрын
He's not 'was', he still is! He lives in France now.
@fratercontenduntocculta81613 жыл бұрын
England of the 1800s must have been a fascinating and magical place.
@00Zy996 ай бұрын
I just realized that this was operational at the same time as the through services the GWR ran along the Met. Imagine a service running through on both ends. Crossrail a century early!
@CitytransportInfoplus3 жыл бұрын
The Southend Corridor Express service was a casualty of WW2 - it was withdrawn right at the start of the war and as far as I am aware none of the rolling stock survives. Also withdrawn at the same time were the former Metropolitan Railway Pullman Cars which provided freshly cooked light refreshments and the through GWR trains which used a special fleet of 'City' coaches that swapped between steam & electric haulage at Paddington station. Happily two of the coaches survive and one has been restored so that it can sometimes see passenger service at the Didcot Railway Centre. But unfortunately all the of articulated coaches which were built for this service have been lost.
@jacobphelan7903 жыл бұрын
Love the vids man. Very interesting. Keep up the good work
@martinsawyer1093 жыл бұрын
Great vid as usual, gov’nr. About 45 years ago I was working as a guard/motorman on LT out of Hainaut. One line we ran was the Epping to Ongar shuttle, Just a few stations, including Blake hall & Theyton Bois. (Sorry, not sure about the spelling of that). It was closed & sold off long ago of course to a stream restoration society, but bearing mind how Ongar has grown & continues to grow, it’s a decision TFL are probably regretting. How about a video on the history of the Epping to Ongar? It needs to be done... and nobody can tell it like you can tell it!
@2H80vids3 жыл бұрын
I know the E&O heritage line are working really hard to get access into Epping Tube station. Has Ongar grown 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 much? Would through trains, maybe peak hours only, pay anyone? It's an interesting thought and could be a 𝒉𝒖𝒈𝒆 cash boost to the heritage line. It cost the Swanage Railway a fortune but they managed it; doing the same, in a London suburb, could be a license to print money. 😁 Even if through trains are a step too far, an interchange at Epping makes a whole lot of sense. Commuters all week and visitors to the steam railway at the weekends. ✔
@ferstuck373 жыл бұрын
After school used to get on the train too epping, from Debden! then ride the steam train to Ongar, there was a little cafe there were you could get a cup of tea and coconut macaroon and 5 cigs, great experience on the steam train and the smell of the steam! Fantastic. Thanks for the history lesson Jago.
@martinsawyer1093 жыл бұрын
Thanks 2H8, didn’t know E&O we’re still trying to get into Epping. Good luck to them! That would really open up vistas. At least there is a precedent. I think that so far Ongar population has only grown a little, but I know that there is considerable interest from local building firms to expand the town. Given the present climate for affordable housing in a nice town, I think it’s only a matter of time. But well done E&O, at least the line’s being run. And there’s a lot of history. Near Blake Hall on the single track it was still possible to see a long line of grooves across a dozen or so of the wooden sleepers made by the crash landing of a twin engined war plane in WW2. Apparently the ruined engines were still somewhere in the surrounding woods, but I haven’t seen them, so cannot be sure.
@2H80vids3 жыл бұрын
@@LiveFromLondon2 Interesting, I thought there was a physical break. So much the better then. That means it's 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 a "paperwork" issue, rather than anything needing built for the usual millions. Not sayinmg it would be easy, just easier. 😁 Didn't realise that LT heritage stock visited the E&O either. Being 600 miles away, I only know what I read in the railway press.
@Paul0202533 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jago, that explains all those posters you can buy from the thirties offering District Line trips to Southend. I always thought it was a through ticket and you had to change. Great video!!!!
@wilsonflood43933 жыл бұрын
The service was possibly withdrawn in 1939 because travel to seaside resorts was discouraged because of you know who. Also seafronts covered in barbed wire and mines were a deterrent and only essential travel was encouraged, all having a depressed effect on passenger numbers.
@PsychicLord3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you could do a similar video about the District Line service to Windsor.
@srfurley3 жыл бұрын
PsychicLord I was just about to say the same thing.
@sabinebogensperger19283 жыл бұрын
Tell me more, tell me more! 👍📹
@ginganinja933 жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up local to Windsor, wishing this line had stuck around, plz do it 😂😂
@grazeme3 жыл бұрын
Yes Please 👍 The Time the Queen nearly took the tube to Windsor!
@philipjones59573 жыл бұрын
The withdrawal of the District Line excursions was forced on the District Line and London, Tilbury and Southend Railway by the declaration of war with Germany in early September 1939. The war had been anticipated and immediately the railways were brought under the control of the Government whose first action was to ban all rail and road excursions as well as withdrawing all Dining Cars on long distance trains and London Transport was included in this and as a result the excursion trains were stopped along with the Green Line coach services.
@richard-riku2 жыл бұрын
This is so similar to the metro system in Tokyo. Many of the trains which make up the metro system in the centre of the city continue well into the suburbs on lines run by suburban railway companies, even having the same express only stopping pattern in the central section. The Fukutoshin line immediately comes to mind.
@nightlurker3 жыл бұрын
There you go Jago, as the comments on this video (and others) show you really touch the world with your channel.🚂🚇🌍
@2H80vids3 жыл бұрын
Also, the really low number of "thumbs down". Pointless, childish things but unusual to see so few. He must be doing something right. 😁👍
@rogerkearns80943 жыл бұрын
Anyone who thinks the station's too far from the front should try Brighton.
@PlanetoftheDeaf3 жыл бұрын
I've always though Southend Central was really near the front. Southend Victoria is more of a trek though!
@rogerkearns80943 жыл бұрын
@@PlanetoftheDeaf Possibly, mate, I can't remember now. Cheers :)
@highpath47763 жыл бұрын
@@PlanetoftheDeaf Its close enough for a stroll, I tend to go one stop further if using liverpool street trains and walk back into southend from their.
@alzeNL3 жыл бұрын
Or Hastings ! then again, no not Hastings...
@highdownmartin3 жыл бұрын
Or ventnor or ilfracombe You could see the sea but it was 200’ down a hill
@__-jt4tv3 жыл бұрын
Very cool! One future episode as a successor to the Slap Fight for the Circle Line could be the Fenchurch Fallout when the Midland yoinked the LTSR from under the nose of the GER.. who promptly blocked the LTSR's new locomotives from using the station... And other hijinks!
@annfarmer79662 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, informative and very evocative - many thanks!
@colinbeaney72303 жыл бұрын
Superb infomation
@ElectraProductions2253 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@stuarthall66313 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jago. Another good watch! And, there I was upon seeing the title thinking that this video was going to be about tube trains upon the Isle of Wight!!
@MarkBrennan3 жыл бұрын
The 'Tea 2d a cup sign' at 6:23 is at East Ham station.
@johnhehir508 Жыл бұрын
In 1939 a lot of the Railway lines would have been used for the war effort many piers were blown up and Southend pier became for military use only, perhaps that is why the service was removed
@stanislavkostarnov21573 жыл бұрын
I think as the Tube became more government run and less privately owned, more focus stated to be put on services within the limits of the city whose transport budget ever more subsidized the lines operation, from being a railway that happened to be in London and Underground, The Tube was becoming a London service run for and by London...
@ccityplanner12173 жыл бұрын
I would like to see an annual special between Southend Central and Windsor Central. Run it with an electrostar, attaching a tube maintenance locomotive between Barking and Ealing Broadway, and a diesel at Slough.
@neilthehermit46553 жыл бұрын
Thaks again Jago. Learnt something new today. More please.
@AvramiSegalAbe3 жыл бұрын
It's great to start the day with a Jago Hazzard video
@sewing94343 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! All the permutations and combinations of trains that ran over the London & Blackwall; or its offshoot, the London, Tilbury & Southend are mind-boggling. Add this to the long list of trains that ran to exotic destinations! (In this context, it's not Southend that's the exotic destination, but Ealing Broadway! :) )
@salentino3 жыл бұрын
Your channel and content are my favorite find of the week. Looking forward to my next trip to London. Hopefully in 2021. Stay safe and keep up the great work.
@Rule1ModelRailways3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to this one!
@martinmargerrison23003 жыл бұрын
Getting a steamer from London Bridge to Sarfend to get completely steaming. East Ham sandwiches behind the bar for lunch. Barking mad.
@janeswift9961 Жыл бұрын
I see what you did there ;)
@noelbowman80523 жыл бұрын
Well I never knew that! Fascinating . thank you
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis2 жыл бұрын
I never would have guess that the UndergrounD would have had a route that paralleled the sung A13, Trunk road to the Sea!
@188basstrom3 жыл бұрын
Um 1939 outbreak of World War II. Beaches became off limits and sometimes mined as a precaution against invasion.
@nigelsalway4953 жыл бұрын
My favourite line on the London Underground. When visiting from Canada, we stayed with my aunt who lived close to the Upney station. As a railway fan, I picked up the LTSR monogram very quickly. With respect to the service to Southend ending in 1939, perhaps this was a war-time economy. The plan might have been to restore service when the war ended, but it didn't happen for one reason or another.
@david-jackson-wills3 жыл бұрын
Great video Jago, I never knew that info about the district line. I used to live in Wickford which of course goes to Southen Victoria, but I worked for years in Southend at the Zero 6 Nightclub!! it was here that I met my mate Neville who was from Melbourne, and the reason that I came to live in Australia where I am now with my wife and 2 gorgeous kids!! so Southend on Sea and the Zero 6 nightclub completely changed my life for the better!!
@MrGreatplum2 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video - and a momentous one for me as I have now watched every single one of Jago’s videos! 😀👍🏻
@elizabethspedding19753 жыл бұрын
With the right weather in the summer it could be great.
@user-pw3tr1xg2x3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for yet another video Jago
@hpot533 жыл бұрын
Watching your videos keeps me from being so homesick for England!
@paulyp91633 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I live in Barking and always wondered about the unused platforms along the District Line.
@flinthillsmodelrailway3 жыл бұрын
excellent video - i live on the C2C line so was good to see why the district line ends at Upminster
@Cloudman5723 жыл бұрын
You can still get underground trains to the seaside in the UK- the Isle of Wight uses old London underground train as their only stock and runs to about 5 seaside stations, there is also a link from them to a good small heritage steam railway on the island..
@nicktecky553 жыл бұрын
Here's a little tip: if a post-war public policy decision appears to be odd, look for the cold dead hand of HM Treasury. As part of the route was run using steam, they wouldn't have wanted their money leaking into supporting it, which could have happened given the level of public subsidy needed to replace the stocks of damaged and knackered buses. There was also an internal conflict with the LT Green bus services, including the Green Line express coach services. Of course the same Treasury never supplied the readies for the proposed motorway network to be built for those same services to run on, but that's a different story. As ever, Yes Minister provides an excellent primer!
@highpath47763 жыл бұрын
By 1948 both BR and LT were executives of the British Transport Commission, charged with economy and eliminating wasteful duplication. It made sense for fast Southends to stop at just a few stations where the district was, and london wages for drivers meant taking that beyond the LPTB boundary would become difficult.
@ballyhigh113 жыл бұрын
@Hansel Franzen Without wanting to get too political I'd say that was due to the rise of Reagonomics in the '80s. I always find it incredible that Washington DC built an entire metro system in a couple of decades and that it opened (only just!) within my lifetime. Just seems so unthinkable for a public work on that scale to happen now sadly. I also find it really sad at what a terrible state the Washington Metro has fallen into :((
@jimmyhitide3 жыл бұрын
When I used to commute to Fenchurch Street from, er, a town in Essex, I had a fanciful notion that the District Line could continue past Upminster eastwards. However, bearing in mind that the line does travel alongside the main line for a considerable distance serving east London, it is logical that it terminates at Upminster as this is (I was going to say effectively but looking at the map it appears to be formally the case) where the Greater London boundary ends. After that it is countryside for a considerable distance before hitting Basildon.
@ianmoseley99103 жыл бұрын
jimmyhitide Greater London only dates from 1965 p, before that it was the LCC, with an eastern boundary at the River Lea
@jimmyhitide3 жыл бұрын
@@ianmoseley9910 I see - the boundary caught-up with the District Line! But seriously, it still makes sense to me given that's where the urban area roughly finishes, though I see the boundary almost reaches as far as West Horndon past Upminster. Possibly Greater London will one day extend as far as Basildon - they're all East End stock there anyway! But there are frequent stops on the mainline from West Horndon onwards and it's difficult to see how an extension of the Underground would bring any value.
@phillipwalton87513 жыл бұрын
Southend became a restricted zone at the start of the war so the Ealing Broadway to Southend service was withdrawn. The electric locomotives were due for replacement and components were required to keep other stock in service so they were scrapped. The special stock used on the services was sold on to the army who used it on the Shropshire & Montgomery line.
@JagoHazzard3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I didn’t know that. The SMR has a cameo in my next video, coincidentally, but it’s their most bizarre locomotive that appears.
@JimbobsTransportVideos3 жыл бұрын
I read to read more underground history, this is so cool thanks for showing me!
@2H80vids3 жыл бұрын
There are some fantastic books out there; search Amazon/eBay for London Underground/Tube books.😁 I have and it's a total rabbit hole. There's so much history, even just sticking to the Underground map as we know it today. It's a huge subject; bedtime reading for many months, depending how deep you want to go. These excellent wee videos give you some great starting points.👌👍😁
@Threelinkdave3 жыл бұрын
Mum liked Southend but not London. So we went by a round about route. Our Local station was Catford Bridge. So trrain 1 Catford Bridge to Lewishan. Channge platforms for train 2 to Gravesend and a short waalk to the Tilbury Ferry. Train 3 Tilbury Riversidee to Southend. In the 50s end of life main line stock was normal and we would look for downgraded first. Electrification brought suburban slam door stock, very much a downgrade
@ianmoseley99103 жыл бұрын
At East Ham, at the end of the east-bound platform, you can see where there was a bay for the trains that ran round the curve to join the line through Woodgrange Park. On the map you can see where Shakespeare. Crescent curved to follow the line.
@majorbloodnok66593 жыл бұрын
I always really liked the look of the 4-4-2 Tilbury tanks
@Ramtamtama3 жыл бұрын
For 35-odd years the Metropolitan ran out to Brill, on the Bucks-Oxon border, some 45 miles from Charing Cross
@Gibbo2633 жыл бұрын
I'd suggest it was put on pause at the start of the war, then found there was no need to start it up again once the war ended
@highpath47763 жыл бұрын
Rebuilding and ideas started around 1944.
@ianmoseley99103 жыл бұрын
Not always realised how poor Britain was at the end of WW2.
@bobuk57223 жыл бұрын
Hi Jago, I like the dry humour. Brings a smile to my face. Wonderfully interesting series you are doing and clearly a lot of research goes inypto making it. Many thanks. BobUK.
@JamesPetts3 жыл бұрын
Give my regards to Ealing Broadway. I believe that the service was withdrawn because it no longer served its original purpose. I have a series of books on the history of the L&TSR which I recommend to anybody interested in this topic. They describe how the Southend service was actually just a way of getting around capacity problems at Fenchurch Street. After the closure of what was then the LNER's Fenchurch Street to Blackwall line (formerly the London and Blackwall Railway) in the late 1920s owing to tram competition, there was more capacity at Fenchurch Street, and modernisation undertaken in 1935 had largely eliminated the Fenchurch Street capacity problems, so the service was no longer particularly useful. It had already been cut back to, I believe, just one train either way each day, being thought to be useful to theatre goers who would board at Embankment or Temple stations from the theatre district and who lived along the line to Southend. The outbreak of war closed the theatres, so this last remaining scintilla of usefulness departed and the service ended.
@JamesPetts3 жыл бұрын
It was this service that mostly used the Tilbury line's huge baltic tanks, which were not permitted to travel into Fenchurch Street on account of being overweight for the bridges; the services being hauled by electric locomotives to Barking meant that the trains did not need to go to Fenchurch Street, and the engines could be used. After the Midland bought the line, the engines were transferred to suburban traffic in the Nottingham area.
@sewing94343 жыл бұрын
I'm no expert, but based on what little I know of the history of L&B/LT&S operations, this sounds like a plausible explanation for the end of the service.
@sewing94343 жыл бұрын
The LMS's Summer 1939 timetable shows one train daily from Ealing to Shoeburyness, departing Victoria Mon-Sat at 11:12 PM and Barking at 11:52, and arriving Shoeburyness at 12:52 AM. On Sundays, the train appears to have run in the late morning (not late evening). In the reverse direction, the Mon-Sat train left Southend at 8:02 PM, arriving Victoria at 9:32 PM, and continuing on to Ealing. The Sunday train only went from Gravesend to Upminster, where passengers had to change to the District Line to Victoria. ...So the outbound trip Monday to Friday would definitely work for going home from a night on the town, although the inbound trip might be too late for the start of a show... (This information is courtesy of an LMS timetable that someone has kindly uploaded to the Internet Archive: archive.org/details/1939LMS/page/n553/mode/2up )
@richardpentelow6553 жыл бұрын
Southers, “a fashionable seaside resort.” We are waiting our time for the full flowering of our potential. I have been waiting longer than most.
@adrianbaker59163 жыл бұрын
The LT&SR also linked Upminster and Romford, although the line still exists it is now part of London Overground
@physiocrat71433 жыл бұрын
After the war there were regular excursions to Southend from stations on the Midland and North London. The latter ran via Biw and Bromley, the former via South Tottenham, using connections which no longer exist.
@teletubbyboi4207 Жыл бұрын
The person who designed fenchurch street for some reason didn't realize that fenchurch street will be crammed with 4 platforms but there has been speculation that fenchurch street station will be moved and have extra platforms