When to Use a Pressure Pot or a Vacuum Chamber

When to Use a Pressure Pot or a Vacuum Chamber | Alumilite

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Whether you're casting with resin or mold-making with silicone, you've probably been given the advice to use a pressure pot or a vacuum chamber.
This video explains a general overview of how pressure pots and vacuum chambers work, when to use a pressure pot and best resin casting practices, and when to use a vacuum chamber and the best practices for degassing silicones.
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@islamadli 2 жыл бұрын

This guy literary saved me tons of hours of searching, reading, and experimenting on my own in only under 10 mins. You're a real-life hero, Thank you

@GoldenEdgedGreg 2 жыл бұрын

Opening intro is so on spot, I wish every single KZfaqr knew to say what the video holds

@RICDirector Жыл бұрын

Hint from Nick Zametti: use a plastic bag to line your pressure pot, or at least to wrap your mould, in case of leaks!

@MileyonDisney 10 ай бұрын

I've used them both for a few years, now. This was a great explanation. There's a new self-contained vacuum chamber spamming all of the resin channels, recently, telling people to use it for their resin. It's too small, and there's just not enough time to work with the resin. Don't fall for the perceived convenience.

@ladghemmonaim2145 Ай бұрын

I'm using polyuréthane who is better vaccum chambre or pressure pot ? I have just 2 min for degassing

@Later2u 12 күн бұрын

@@ladghemmonaim2145 I'm using Smooth-On Polyurethane and they recommend using a pressure pot. No time to degassing with only 2 1/2 minutes to pour it.

@qvisionstudios 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Finally a video on why one is used over the other. Very helpful for us newbies.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

We're glad you found it helpful!! Thanks for watching!

@mallarysangel 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you brother. That really couldn't have been much better. Why can't everyone be so easy to understand? I often give tutorials on other subjects. I am the commissioner of a top 100 league in madden mobile, and it's imperative to keep it simple when teaching my guys how to play the game and organize their teams. They don't all have the time or experience I have to figure it out, so I just teach them and tell them why we do things the way we do as I go. That part is so important, and you did that. The only thing that may make this any better would be to show more visuals such as examples of failures vs successful casts and pours. You had some visuals, and you were clear about the others. I think your target audience is following you very well though, and understand exactly what you are talking about. I think you knew that when making this video, so kudos. Have a good day.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for all the kind words - we appreciate the honest feedback! If we decide to take this topic to the next level and delve deeper, we'll definitely keep your recommendations in mind! Thanks for watching!

@csldc 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! There are oodles of videos that start at the intermediate level to explain how to use one or the other, but a scarce few on the difference between the two. Those that attempt to explain the difference are so overrun with jargon that they aren't useful to beginners like me. I very much appreciate your short, straightforward, audience-focused explainer.

@RhumpleOriginal 8 ай бұрын

Best video. Literally showed one specific thing no other person has been discussing. Liked and subbed

@nobodyshome8726 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely a very well spoken man with a superb way of explaining the difference in the vacuum tank and pressure tank usages...I was wondering which I needed most ? And now I can stop wondering. I definitely need a pressure pot first and foremost . Thank you so much for the information, I am now subscribed to your channel .

@markelson4658 3 жыл бұрын

This is probably one of the most informative videos I have found on the subject of using both the vacuum and pressure pot. I recommend this to all new starters. Thank You Mark UK

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the awesome feedback, Mark - we appreciate it!

@1957Ramboat 3 жыл бұрын

You Rock!! You are friendly and very personable. I recently retired and am outfitting my new workshop with all the basic woodworking tools, including a new lathe, which I’ve always wanted. I’m going to enjoy learning about working with resins from your videos!

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

That's high praise, Tim! If you have any questions feel free to give us a shout!

@dianac2031 2 жыл бұрын

I can watch all of your videos!!! Thank you for packing lots of information in an easy to understand way. You make it fun to learn!!! Gotta love Alumilite! Best man for the job 👍

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the awesome words Diana!

@William_Mobley 2 жыл бұрын

My roommate just gifted me a pressure pot as a late birthday gift. I didn't think it would be so easy to find such great info for it. Thank you so much!

@adamswitlak1242 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, pal. Quickly and easy you've just explained the whole story.

@debthompson534 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Totally helped me understand the differences between the equipment. Glad I found this video, it saved me hours.

@s44577 Жыл бұрын

Super helpful video and so well explained. You just saved me time, dollars and frustration. Thanks so much!! Glad I found your channel!

@newt5386 8 ай бұрын

Perfect, thank you! I ordered a pressure pot a couple days ago. I was concerned about my choice but now I know I ordered the right tool.

@Aguilo.Designs 3 жыл бұрын

BEST video on the topic ever. Very well explained, not a boring moment. I wish I saw this before I bought both, but at least now I know that ONE process is good for either resin or silicone. Good job.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Mike! So glad to hear the video was helpful to you. Reach out if you ever have any questions!

@tipstricks8040 2 жыл бұрын

super simple and amazing explanation, really loved the way you present and explain

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching!

@GimmieMoBeads 2 жыл бұрын

One of the best videos I've seen so far. Thank you!

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

We're glad it could help - thanks for watching!

@alejandrogarcia4593 3 ай бұрын

Awesome instructional video!! Thank you

@HeltonTyson 2 жыл бұрын

I just have to say that I love you. I had that question unanswred in my mind for a really long time. Ty soo much

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome - glad we could help!

@rdyer8764 3 жыл бұрын

Years ago I worked at a R&D company where we used vacuum chambers to remove air bubbles from small mixed batches, of long-cure-time epoxy before we applied it to our parts. So I always wondered why the guys working with resin mixed with wood for (lathe) turning always used pressure pots instead of vacuum chambers. NOW I KNOW! Thanks.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thats super cool - glad we could share some knowledge! Thanks for watching!

@tracybrislin 3 жыл бұрын

Great video ! How and why ,what to do and not to do, clear explanation! Just don't get any better. Thanks.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, Tracy!! We're glad you liked it!!

@bjornml.08 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for a great explanation! I was just trying to figure out the differences between the two.

@AlumiliteCorporation Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@Haditastic 2 жыл бұрын

THIS IS WHAT I NEED, BIG THANKS TO THIS CHANEL

@tlbx57 3 жыл бұрын

Very helpful and comprehensive. Thanks!

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@darsmith3448 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I just love your company, your products, and your customer service! This is a very good video! All take care. Blessings and Re Jouir -Darlene

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words, Darlene! Please reach out any time if there's anything we can help you with!

@darsmith3448 3 жыл бұрын

@@AlumiliteCorporation Thank YOU!!!

@oyvonnee 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome information. Thank you for making it simple.

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@Putzenaround 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. I subscribed because as a novice I would be a fool not to. Thanks, and keep them coming. Very well explained.

@MG-vo7is 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent! Thanks for the explanations.

@ninnin22ninnin 9 ай бұрын

Fantastic video all around! Thank you!

@vernonleeper 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video thanks for sharing. I was going to use the same pot for the same process.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!!

@KerryAnne1111 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, that was extremely helpful.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it! Thanks for watching!

@TkayBlack Жыл бұрын

Man, thank you👌👌 you just saved my money

@StevenVacher 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, really answered all the questions I had.

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching!

@geoffcrozier4877 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, great video. Would you guys consider doing a video showing the differences between a clear resin cast in the vacuum chamber vs pressure pot?

@ironbomb6753 Жыл бұрын

Rybonator has videos showing this.

@CaptMarkSVAlcina 11 ай бұрын

@@ironbomb6753hi , can you please send me the link to it because I can not find it

@amandageyer795 3 жыл бұрын

I have been debating if I need both or with one I need! I don’t generally make my molds so boom pressure pot for moi! Thank you!

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

So glad this was helpful for you!

@glen3257 3 ай бұрын

thank you for this video. Like and new subscriber. I want to get into resin lathe turning and researching whether to buy a vacuum pot or pressure pot.

@psman-ns4lt 3 жыл бұрын

Liked and subscribed, it was cut and right to the learning. I didn’t know I knew so little.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear it! That's what we're here for.

@dejanoporno 11 ай бұрын

wow, very useful video!!!

@GRIZZ357 Жыл бұрын

Sweet right to the point, thanks brother

@darksi226 2 ай бұрын

Very, very helpful. No one starts with basics when it's things they know. So simple, but there were things that really helped me decide on the pressure pot, confidently.

@vaughanza 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great video, thanks So I want to cast a vehicle tail light and by watching your video you saying is I have to buy both tools to do the job. Vacuum pot for the silicon mold and pressure pot for the resin. thanks

@RaulGarcia-rr1ve 3 жыл бұрын

Great explanation, thanks

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

We're glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!

@danielastone7924 2 жыл бұрын

YOU MADE MY DAY!!! 😊THANK YOU SO MUCH

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome!

@stacyrenee3390 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative! Thank you!

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@joonykids 2 жыл бұрын

Extremely useful info :)

@MEHRANYOU1 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the information.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@theaussienurseflipper.8113 Ай бұрын

Good information

@cherylcleveland3529 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. That was helpful.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

We're glad it helped! Thanks for watching!

@michaeltracy2566 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that!

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Michael!

@seckinturkmen8689 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you from Turkey

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@calv.io.n8080 Жыл бұрын

Super informative, I guess I have to heat the pressure pot to room temp for cold weather?

@nicholugrim1108 3 жыл бұрын

another helpful video tnx

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!!

@flavacreations 2 жыл бұрын

Great video thank you

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@MakingArt.DoingStuff 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks. I'm in the process of casting a part that has a closed mold, there's a small opening in which I end up putting a bolt, the part is casted on the bolt and that's that so there's little space for any air to move around. My question is, if the pressure pot compresses the air, does a closed mold collapse, reshape etc and will the air inside the closed mold shrink just the same? I'm about to pick up a pressure pot but thought I'd ask to see what your take is on this.

@andrewpassey1769 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant, many thanks 👍

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew!

@lynnpaterson91 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, thank you!

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thank YOU for watching!

@My52PickUp 5 ай бұрын

Great video, very helpful. What kind of cilcone are you pouring into the base of the pressure pot?

@crackerjack3359 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that. I'm a wood turner. Most of the voids I fill are on curved and vertical surfaces. I use plastic hot glued to the wood to make a mold. If I seal the mold completely with no vent does the pressure pot still work

@nw7696 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 😊👍🏻

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thank YOU for watching!

@becklewis4290 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video!

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!!

@becklewis4290 3 жыл бұрын

@@AlumiliteCorporation I'm pouring silicone into poly molds to make prosthetics and no matter how much time I give for bubbles to surface in addition to pouring from a high distance and slowly into the molds, I still get pin bubbles. A vacuum chamber would help?

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Putting your mixed silicone in a vacuum chamber before pouring into your mold helps get rid of bubbles!

@crocuscreekwoodworks Жыл бұрын

Excellent

@richards8291 3 жыл бұрын

Great info

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@iaincullen7646 2 жыл бұрын

The perfect KZfaq video regardless of topic! Is using u pressure pot advisable if I'm layering resin? So, pour...Place object....pressurise...take out before full cure to minimise layering lines....pour....pressurise. Will the trapped bubbles expand again before a resin is fully cured? Thank you again for the video

@bigdaddy7670 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, but I have been using Alumilite clear for 2 years and I vacuum de-gas the mixture before pouring it into the mold. Alumilite TDS recommends this. I use a 1-gallon pot, which degasses quickly. Usually under 1 min. I then have about 6 min to pour.

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Great tip!

@bases4war Жыл бұрын

Been casting for years and have had great success pressure casting resin and using pressure on silicone moulds. I have never needed vacuum. Super crisp details for wargames bases.

@al-oh8fq 11 ай бұрын

Ok i know it is a foolish question but will not pressure squeeze your silicone along with the liquid resin? your cast should become smaller in scale and a bit squashed no?

@m.g.7828 2 жыл бұрын

This was a really good video, but what I needed from it could be summarized in few words: vacuum for silicone, pressure for resin

@43muhsin 2 жыл бұрын

thank you so much

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thank YOU for watching!

@MrA6992 2 жыл бұрын

Hello there! first things first: GREAT VIDEO! it solved my doubts on the topic in a perfect way! thank you so much for it! then, I'm sorry to bother you, I would like to know one thing before buying a pressure pot: I cast reeeeeally small pieces for my miniatures (for example a head of a 28 mm miniature), so my moulds are often small (2 cm x 2 cm x 2 cm).. my question is: if I put them in the pressure pot, isn't there the possibility that the mould collapses for the pressure, and the result is a deformed piece? or the pressure is just enough to make the air come out without deforming the "walls" of my mould? thanks for your time, and again.. great video!

@kamalzia8624 3 жыл бұрын

vry informative, Thanks

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Kamal!

@BobBlarneystone Жыл бұрын

Good advice. One thing I've never seen is the use of a magnetic laboratory stirrer with a teflon coated magnet bar. One could add the resin in the mixing container, turn on the stirrer and then slowly add the hardener, being careful to avoid making bubbles. I imagine that it would be thoroughly mixed with few or no bubbles. Of course, when filling in around small objects such as wood blocks or pine cones, that air may become trapped under/around the objects, so a pressure pot may be till necessary.

@billybob884 3 жыл бұрын

very informative video, thanks! sucks all this equipment has to be so expensive though, tough to break in as an amateur...

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

That's very true - this equipment is definitely an investment. One thing you could do is start off with epoxy that doesn't need a pressure pot or vacuum chamber. It's a good way to get your feet wet before dedicating more time and money into the practice!

@jownerofyou 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video!! Thank you!! You got my Sub!!

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Jory!

@steinbierz Жыл бұрын

I was very interested in your Pro Tip on pouring silicone into the bottom of your pressure pot. I hadn't thought about that and was recently watching another video where they recommended using an HDPE disc in the bottom. They linked to a relatively cheap one so I ordered one and, although I haven't used it yet, it should work fine. I am intrigued by the silicone though as I have another pot that I don't have a bottom for. Are there any downsides to pouring silicone in the bottom of the pot when my only use will ever be for casting? Thanks.

@m_door 2 жыл бұрын

thanks!

@brianlindsay9097 3 жыл бұрын

This was very clear, thank you! My biggest confusion is that the internet is super divided on whether "pressure-potting" the silicone before casting is appropriate, with advice ranging from "never pressure cure your silicon because the bubbles will spring back" to "it's perfectly fine, I do it all the time". I'm not going to lie, money is a huge issue to me, and I can't afford to buy both a pressure pot AND a vacuum chamber, with their associated pumps. If I need a vacuum chamber (and pump) to make the pressure pot work, then I best not invest in a pot right now. But... I really need to get these bubbles out of my casts. I may be SOL, but any thoughts you might have would be appreciated.

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

We totally understand! It's tough because every maker has a different method. If your castings have bubbles in the resin and that's what you're most concerned with, pressure pot all the way. It entirely depends on what you're making and what preventative steps you can take. For example, mixing slowly, pouring into one corner, etc. all helps bubbles in silicone molds release, so that when you cast with resin you'll have smooth castings.

@michaeldequatro1012 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. I saw that your pressure pot is only $99 at Harbor Freight, but I also saw one on Amazon for $200. I didn't realize you had to make some adjustments to the HF one. Now I don't know what to do.

@rodolfolourenco7502 2 жыл бұрын

Hi there, great video! Do you think that is it possible to build a pressure form 8' long x 4' wide x 3" deep, put the wood and epoxy inside to build a river table ? Is it sounds crazy ?

@mickeyromeo 3 жыл бұрын

great video

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@nachomcb2825 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video! Vacuum or pressure pot for removing bubbles from resin ( slow cure) for pouring into large molds that wont fit in chamber?

@Twiggymack48 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you I'm thinking about getting a pressure pot

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

@elzakaiumova9818 Жыл бұрын

Many thanks, that's a brilliant video! Is a vacuum chamber applicable for sodium alginate to make impressions? I know how to make sodium alginate curing process longer (up to 20 min), but I don't know how sodium alginate will "behave" in a vacuum chamber, if it will raise 4x times or even more.

@okayokay2010 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@AlumiliteCorporation 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@ObeliskDoon Жыл бұрын

I had a question regarding silicone molds. I recently used Thi-Vex to thicken silicone and spread it over a master to save cost, but found air bubbles trapped between the mold and master. I have a pressure pot, but was wondering if it would be effective in forcing those air bubbles out of the mold while it cures. The vacuum chamber seems to expand the silicone which I would not want since it would already be encasing the master.

@Berkana 10 ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on casting in vacuum? As in pouring 3/4 of the way up the mold, putting it in the vacuum chamber, de-gassing it, then pouring the rest of the resin, then degassing that and letting it set in vacuum? Would that work? I'm asking because I have a vacuum pump and chamber, but if I can make it work with that, I prefer to not buy a compressor and pressure pot as well.

@davidb5454 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks. With your Flex 60 casting rubber, would you recommend vac, or pressure? (for getting bubbles out of fine details after freshly pouring).

@AlumiliteCorporation 2 жыл бұрын

Either is recommended but a pressure pot will work well with freshly casted pours!

@melosense84 Жыл бұрын

Hello! Could you please advice - no matter how hard we try, we still couldn't get bubblesfree cast. I suspect that plastic gets hard just too fast, after hardener is added it would take just 5-8 mins for it to get already hard and I just can't securely close chamber and add 4 bars of pressure in that time😅 Should we consider "longer living" plastics?

@ODGuitars 11 ай бұрын

Couple of questions: I'm using a 24 hours epoxy for sealing burl woods, building a vacuum chamber for it now. Is it better to build the pressure chamber instead? Also, can it be made out of playwood (17mm thick) ?

@ulyssesbejarano1847 7 ай бұрын

what vacuum pump do you recommend, what CFM should I aim for?

@xavierdesaegher7353 2 жыл бұрын

Hello, I discover your channel because I am interested to create my knife handles with wood and resin. I congratulate you for your videos and thank you already for your sharing. Also, I don't speak much English (I use an application for written English) and I would like to be sure of what I understood. the vacuum chamber allows all the air to be evacuated from an object such as wood. We dip it in resinel (which one?), colored or not, so that it fills all the free space. For the pressure pot, we can put the object in the prepared epoxy (mixture A and B, which one?), and this allows to trap the air in the object and to harden the epoxy around this object.no? so if I want to color heartwood, and marry it with resin, I first pass it in the vacuum, with a bath of colored resin, then in the pressure pot to make a handle with epoxy? thank you for your return, and your information on the products to use. good continuation Xavier

@shaniquashinankelfeat8487 Жыл бұрын

Okay this was helpful, so thank you! But I mostly use UV Resins NOT 2 Part Resins, (mainly because the cure time is so much faster and it's easier to keep things suspended in place in my resin) And I don't know how what you taught me in this video correlates to the use of UV resins...? Any and tips or tricks, for the use of UV resin in these two devices would be helpful.... And is there such a thing as a clear pressure pot? That might fix my issue because then I could UV light cure while my molds are in the pressure pot?

@JulianMade 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a question, can you talk about open face degassing versus closed face (with ports) degassing of molds in a pressure pot. I recently was trying to degass Performance 80d with a 3D resin printed mold for my part I was going to cast, but it unfortunately foamed in the mold.

@black_rifles_matter 2 жыл бұрын

If you use a slow cure resin, would you still be able to use the vacuum tank instead of the pressure pot?

@beezlebubz5428 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard mixed opinions on a problem I run into. Of course I came to the channel that always gives the best description and process, so here I am. I use your Mold Maker (amazing btw) but when I cast in polyurethane I get ‘zits’ on the cast. Some have said cure the silicone at the same psi I use for casting the resin in. Assuming I do both in the pressure pot at the same psi (40) I’m wondering if this would fix the issue. I get the silicone will expand and the air bubbles will come back but if hammered with the same psi in the pressure pot when casting resin they should theoretically shrink back to the original cure. Very informative video as always and greatly appreciated!

@RICDirector Жыл бұрын

Bumping for attention...good question!

@znorman23 Ай бұрын

Hey, where did you get the pressure relief valve for your pressure pot? Is it a 5/8”? I’m having trouble finding a chonker that big.

@David-bc4rh 2 жыл бұрын

So the compressed air bubbles that get trapped in the resin remain pressurized after curing? So the resin object will be slightly pressurized after curing?

@waterlilly62lori 3 ай бұрын

I use large molds, can you put mixed resin into the pressure to be poured?

@Joannime 2 жыл бұрын

Hi guys! I want to start mold making, doni need a vacuum chamber? I have seen some people say that a pressure pot works fine, and others say that you need a vacuum chamber. I can't seem to find a definitive answer on the topic! Any advice?