When will UK sockets have WAGO style connectors?

When will UK sockets have WAGO style connectors? - electricians comment

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Everyone loves Wago 221 style connectors. So what's stopping UK wiring accessories having screwless connectors? Gary and Gordon explore the possibilities using a German Schuko socket from Jung.
Screwless terminals are available in loads of electrical equipment from lighting fixtures to DIN rail terminals - so why not the humble UK 13A socket.
Some viewers (with a bit of snow on the thatch) may remember the Corinthian range from Crabtree - the light switch had screwless terminals with a small red actuator to release the conductors.
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@DukeBambaluc 3 жыл бұрын

Another huge advantage of screwless accessories is that there is no danger of screws getting loose or not tightened properly - a major cause of fires!

@stevenwalker3164 3 жыл бұрын

And trying to find an open circuit on an EICR.

@olivercarter5546 3 жыл бұрын

No just danger of the wago opening when a hair brushes past it

@Bigbrunibelow 3 жыл бұрын

Not a solid connection verse mechanically tightening a wire to a set screw ...land it under a screw your can’t spin the wire ...you land it under a wago you can spin the wire in the connector imagine little movements over time what could cause

@UhOhUmm 2 жыл бұрын

@@olivercarter5546 they're not easy to open lol

@piotrlobacz Жыл бұрын

@@Bigbrunibelow although spring terminal will apply constant force on conductor even when connection feels loose. You don't get that with screw. Also inserting 3 X 2.5 mm2 in screw terminal when installing a branch is a ball ache caus there is always that one wire what pops out when you tighten the screw. You wouldn't get that with spring cause there are individual terminals for each conductor.

@artisanelectrics 3 жыл бұрын

Great video guys, undoubtedly this is the future but unfortunately the UK market is always way behind the rest of Europe when it comes to electrical installation products. Part of the problem is us electricians aren't quick to adapt to new ideas... But also manufacturers in the UK aren't very quick to adopt new tech. We need to pull our socks up or get left behind!

@SimonSideburns 3 жыл бұрын

I read that last paragraph as "We need to pull our sockets up or get left behind!"

@derdeutsche2666 3 жыл бұрын

I don't think it is the manufacturers, Hager been doing these kind of fittings for over 30 years in germany. Surly it wouldn't take em no time at all to make british style fittings !!!

@user-wk7wv8rn8h 3 жыл бұрын

Try being American and using wire nuts for the last hundred years

@Orgakoyd 9 ай бұрын

@@user-wk7wv8rn8h I wish we had them here. Don’t like how the socket terminals are used to join the incoming and outgoing cables. I like how the Americans use a “pig tail” and the full circuit current is not relying on the terminals at the back of the socket.

@IAmThe_RA 9 ай бұрын

@@OrgakoydWire nuts should belong in a museum. You can use wago connectors if you don't want to use socket terminals as connectors.

@coffeesnob7600 3 жыл бұрын

Wago connectors were already in common use in Germany when I did my training in 1993.

@richardsandwell2285 3 жыл бұрын

And dont they save some time.

@sylviomuller9240 2 жыл бұрын

@@richardsandwell2285 time and swaring 😅

@justdontgiveafukk 3 жыл бұрын

Needs to be industry standard, if we have MF connectors that we can (potentially) bury and forget about, why would they not be good enough for a socket outlet!? No screws to either not be tightened properly, come loose over time etc...

@Bin216 3 жыл бұрын

I’m waiting for a back box with the terminations in, and some sort of standardised blade terminal on the back of the socket so the consumer can change the socket front without disturbing the fixed wiring...

@andyrigby6991 3 жыл бұрын

Assume these would be similar to to boiler timer/control panels, backplate has all the wires, hook on front panel uses spring loaded pins ?

@crus1n 3 жыл бұрын

@@andyrigby6991 And same as a klik rose👍

@painintheback847 3 жыл бұрын

I was a apprentice 25 Years ago and we allways used screwless sokets and switches made by JUNG, GIRA or BUSCH JAEGER .... the german system can combine up to 5 devices perpendicular or horizontal, just buy the cover that´s needed.

@ShadowzGSD 3 жыл бұрын

just as a thought, industrial sockets and plugs are already available with tool less connections, (16 amp, 32 amp, 63 amp sockets)

@TheMattSturgeon 3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense, since that's an international standard while 13A sockets follow a BS standard

@aryehelectricalltd7247 3 жыл бұрын

will never happen cause the best wago is rated up to 2.5mm and 32 amp the only connector can take more is with screws

@TheMattSturgeon 3 жыл бұрын

@@aryehelectricalltd7247 that's incorrect and also misses the point. Firstly the video wasn't saying that sockets should have WAGO branded connections, but rather some form of toolless connection. Secondly the comment you've replied to was saying that the international/industrial sockets already exist with toolless connections. Thirdly WAGO actually do make connections higher than 2.5mm², the new WAGO 221s fit up to 6mm². Finally, there's no reason why a 13A socket would need connections rated higher than 32A.

@aryehelectricalltd7247 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheMattSturgeon I spoke to quick wire company (a great product )and I ask why they don't do you idea about 2 years ago the answer that so in theory you right but tat I was told

@Marcel_Germann 3 жыл бұрын

@@aryehelectricalltd7247 Hager Quickconnect, for use inside of boards. Even the bus bar is screwless. Rated for 63A. But the thing is, do you really need 32A rated connectors in a ring circuit? My answer is no, the cable itself (2.5sqmm) is only rated for 20 or 25A depending on the reference method of installation.

@the_industrious_electrician 3 жыл бұрын

I have always thought that you could have the wago style connectors on the back of the backbox and then just connect the sockets up with tri rated flex. Saved me a lot of time and aggro trying to stick 2 x 4mm cables into a screwed connection on my kitchen island radial circuit.

@accountshanahan 3 жыл бұрын

As you said there must be something in the regs forbidding this or surely it would have been done by now? Have seen loads of times where you unscrew a socket face plate and find loose terminations or where somebody has "missed" the screw with the conductor and it's only loosely in between the screw and the barrel. This just makes all that go away and much better for testing or fault finding if you need to disconnect a leg on a ring for example. No brainer in my eyes and would happily pay the additional £1.50 or so that it would likely cost.

@tlangdon12 3 жыл бұрын

If there is something in the regs or BS then this needs to be changed ASAP. But I would buy and fit sockets with push fit terminals in my home regardless of what the regs say; as the householder I have this flexibility in my home. Pity my poor tenants who have to take a chance on whether the spark I employ has a calibrated torque screwdriver!

@filipe.skunk8 3 жыл бұрын

Phil Shanahan it’s not about the regs but business ££.. produce paying the bare minimum and sell for biggest profit..

@majeedpanahi5783 3 жыл бұрын

It is a no brainer to have a screwless fitting, especially the wago type with torque already fixed. But then again, the Brits are world-famous for their traditions. They would bring back the steam train if they could in 2021!

@kingsman428 3 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile, America refusing to go metric which, in fact, cost NASA millions of dollars on a lost Mars lander because they *forgot* to code the conversion. 😁

@johnmansell5097 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with the steam train, in fact you could use renewable resources to run them.

@raychambers3646 3 жыл бұрын

And that train will be late.

@NaydenSpirdonov 3 жыл бұрын

I just love this comment and it is so true :D

@whoshotdk 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnmansell5097 Or even nuclear. Steam is definately not something we left behind in the 20th :D

@adrianking6309 3 жыл бұрын

Manufacturers won't make them because it will cost them to change the designs and get the products tested when they already have a product that works and sells. I would like to see the push connectors fixed to a back box like that German design so that cables don't come loose or get pinched when screwing the socket back. Imagine being able to 1st fix and test before the sockets are screwed on. Painters would love that!

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Great feedback thanks 🙏

@HeathenGeek 3 жыл бұрын

wow, yeh, this!

@johnburns4017 3 жыл бұрын

You can put Wagos in the backboxes, then test. Then the painters come and paint, then just one flexible cable from the Wagos in the backboxes to the socket. Far easier to fit. Wago type connectors are becoming very popular, as they are maintenance free terminals (they can go in inaccessible places) - and quick and easy to use. Put them directly on the back of a socket they *will* sell.

@GodIsBackAtAnfield 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnburns4017 so every connection is a spur?

@johnburns4017 3 жыл бұрын

@@GodIsBackAtAnfield Yes. The cable from the Wago junction in the backbox to the socket can take ~27A, while the outlet is limited to 13A. Not a problem. A disadvantage in rings is that if some screws work loose on a socket which is a junction on a ring, the ring's effectiveness can be reduced. Also a dangerous situation occurring as heavy current in the ring may create a spark. One one the 2.5mm cables may be overloaded as the mcb is 32A. Wagos do not work loose, so current around the ring will always be sound. Same on a 4mm radial with a 32A mcb. 4mm in and out of the Wago in the backbox with a flex 2.5mm cable into the socket. Easier to wire in in the confined spec of a backbox. Also testing and painting can be done, then return for the second fix - screwing in the sockets. Loose screwed connections is a big source of electrical fires.

@WooShell 3 жыл бұрын

You'd already save 1/3 of mounting time if you'd finally get rid of those useless ring mains.. all rest of the world does radials. Next step would probably be larger and less crammed fuse boxes that don't need a full replacement whenever something gets updated. And some day, you might even introduce three-phase service that's been common on the continent for the last 50 years or so.

@matthewhinton7222 2 жыл бұрын

Never seen such an uneducated comment.

@BritishBeachcomber 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Ring final circuits are dangerous if a L/N break occurs. You've got all the current flowing in what is effectively pair of radials on the same MCB, potentially exceeding the cable rating.

@chazM6116 3 жыл бұрын

I saw push-fit in Canada back in 2003 I like to know how the contact surface area differs between the screw fit and push-fit

@kevcousin7854 3 жыл бұрын

What a brilliant idea. I’ve recently been fitting Dali lighting in offices and it’s so easy. Click and go.

@leeburnside735 3 жыл бұрын

Defo the future already using them here in france 🇫🇷 sooner the better when is the uk going to catch up and also ditch ring circuits

@paulekstorm-hughes1894 3 жыл бұрын

@smile 2192 No surprise we use radials here in Sweden too. No problems with limitations on socket numbers other than lazy/cheap installation. We just have larger consumer units with more circuits. Sure there's more expense with more breakers, but that comes with added convenience in being able to isolate smaller areas. In my house, each room has a breaker with lights and sockets on it. Kitchen has a couple of circuits to allow for more simultaneous high power appliance usage.

@MalikIdreesMasood 3 жыл бұрын

@@paulekstorm-hughes1894 In my house, each room has a breaker with lights and sockets on it... Just wondering what cable size do you use for lights and what about worst-case scenario... thanks

@paulekstorm-hughes1894 3 жыл бұрын

@@MalikIdreesMasood lights and sockets are for each room are on the same circuit. Each standard room circuit is on a 10A MCB. All wiring on such a circuit is 1.5mm2. In Sweden, 1.5mm2 is the smallest allowed wire for fixed installations, even if it was on a 3A MCB. Of course, larger cross sections are used for higher rated circuits.

@johnburns4017 3 жыл бұрын

@@paulekstorm-hughes1894 @Mathias Anders British plugs cannot draw more than 13A. Fused spur switches off a ring for fixed appliances cannot draw more than 13A either (although you can draw more than 13A off a ring on one appliance with special provision). The plugs and fuse spur switches were made for rings in mind. When you design a ring you use diversity calculations, or just common sense. If a 32A ring has three sockets that regularly will be drawing 13A tripping the 32A mcb, then put in another ring. The average British house has three 32A rings. *1)* One for the heavy appliances in the kitchen: washing machine, dishwasher, tumble dryer and worktop, maybe an electric kettle. *2)* One for downstairs. *3)* One for upstairs. The upstairs and downstairs rings generally draw little current as only light appliances will be connected, like TV, computers, hairdryers, etc. Each appliance that plugs into the ring should have a fuse matching its current drawing, which could be 3A, 6A, 13A, etc. Mainly to protect the cable to the appliance to prevent the cable overheating, if over-current occurs. When builders put in three rings, an upstairs radial lighting circuit, a downstairs radial lighting circuit and a 6mm cable for the cooking appliance, all by rule of thumb, it works and is safe. You will find the consumer unit will have just *six* micro circuit breakers. Cheap and effective. Look in a French home of the same size. They have a huge consumer unit in comparison, with far more circuit breakers (mcb's), serving many radial circuits.

@johnburns4017 3 жыл бұрын

@@paulekstorm-hughes1894 We had to fit in sockets for a line of 10 computers. There was only one spare way in the consumer unit. We gave each computer 3A fuses in each plug, so a 32A ring did it wonderfully. Using radials a new larger Consumer Unit or an additional unit would have been needed. Which would have been great expense. A radial of 20A gives six sockets, not enough. We could have used 4mm cable and a 32A radial. But getting 4mm cable inside 10 daisy chained sockets? Forget it. Also 2.5mm cable in the UK is cheap. Cheaper to run to 10 sockets in a ring than one heavier 4mm cable. We could have put a few extra sockets on the ring with any problems. Rings are not illegal in any EU country. EU appliances tend have a fuse in the appliance. Rings are *very* handy. Understand them and what they offer.

@muzikman2008 3 жыл бұрын

Great idea. Wagos are brilliant, some pushfit/spring connectors (chinesium) are rubbish. If manufacturers implement wago style 221 connectors, they need to be as good or better quality as wago. As soon as you get a failure, people will go back to screw terminals. I like the idea. Also consumer units with mcbs that can use wago style would be good, as others say. An inline wago FCU Would be cool too.

@PerMejdal 3 жыл бұрын

Denmark have had screwless connectors in wall sockets and switches since 1981.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like we are way behind

@danielmilner582 2 жыл бұрын

In France sockets and switches have been push in type connectors for as long as i can remember, for at least 10 years, from brands that presumably you see in the Uk, Legrand, Hager etc…

@haroon420 3 жыл бұрын

The donut outreach was savage!!!

@rossmurdoch1886 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe we will see wago style sockets once everyone has paid for a Torque screwdriver set, or maybe for 19 th edition they will be a Must !.

@raychambers3646 3 жыл бұрын

After 40 years of using a screwdriver ,I now need a torque driver how on earth did I manage ?seriously there's tight and stupid tight.

@Mark... 3 жыл бұрын

Ray Chambers couldn’t agree more, experience seems to count for nothing these days 🙄

@raychambers3646 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mark... to much on testing and regs not enough on good practise, I've had to work on DB live ie fuseways still live,to sensitive to turn off ,just connecting to empty ways ,but told by my apprentice it's got to be dead ,he refused to be near me while I did the connections ,by the way it was an all insulated 3ph board.

@Mark... 3 жыл бұрын

Ray Chambers I’ve done the same in having to work live but if you said that to some electricians today they look at you as if your the scum of the electrical world. Common sense goes out the window now for a lot of electricians and has been replaced with “but it says in the regs”.

@raychambers3646 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mark... on one occasion I took the cover off a 400a bus bar chamber to check on clamp sizes ie solid or split , the guy with me holding the other end of the lid disappeared out of the door leaving me struggling with a very heavy cover ,said he was frightened ,he wanted me to turn the whole building off just to have look inside!

@garyyuen903 3 жыл бұрын

Not only time but robustness. Also on the wago it is on preset "Torque" it is preset clamping force!

@peterlewis1106 3 жыл бұрын

Cant we please have cable with sleeving on the cpc ..... they do in ireland i believe ?

@TheEulerID 3 жыл бұрын

It has been made in the past, but electricians didn't buy it. It cost a bit more, and the cable is a bitter thicker and stiffer. Not just that, but the Irish stuff requires a CPC of the same cross-sectional area as the line and neutral conductors, so that adds a bit more cost and stiffness too. Theoretically that stuff is all legal in the UK if somebody cared to import it.

@user-wk7wv8rn8h 3 жыл бұрын

We love stripping the cable by grabbing the CPC though

@jurassicsparks5220 3 жыл бұрын

Australian TPS also has sheathed earth

@arneanka4633 3 жыл бұрын

But you could put all wires in flexible pipes and terminate the pipe in the box and use the flexible single isolated H07V-K instead. If rodents munch on cables, which they rarely do since the pipe tastes awful, just pull the old out and in with some new. Or you like to add more lighting circuits like a push-dim. Add another wire.

@filipe.skunk8 3 жыл бұрын

Peter Lewis that’s easy.. just stop using twin & earth..

@tristans5945 3 жыл бұрын

Screwless terminals on sockets and switches have been used in Germany since the Mid-1970s, first introduced by BuschJaeger (owned by ABB today). I once renovated a flat from 1975 and all the switches had these connectors. Today push-fit connectors are used almost exclusively, screw terminals are very rare now.

@kittsdiy 3 жыл бұрын

We have them for couple years in Belgium from Legrand & Bticino .. especially in cable trunking (DLP system with modular socket .. did not see that in UK yet ?? )

@gteaz 3 жыл бұрын

I use to replace bill board tube lights that used WAGO and the connectors where always under the ballast. WAGO's over heated, caught fire and burned the ballast. I never replaced a tube light that had choc block screw terminals.

@robinmyman 3 жыл бұрын

My last house built by Bovis in Wales in 1988 had Wago style connectors on all original light switches... but not on power points.

@andychara1631 3 жыл бұрын

please bring the wago connectors to socket outlets and all other screw in fixings. pleaasseee. great video.

@AE-mu1jc 3 жыл бұрын

I use since over 20 years here in the Federal Republic of Germany screwless Busch & Jäger Elektrik (BJE) power outlets and since around five years it is hard to find screw terminals at cheap products. It is save so many working time for everybody. But good, the UK is independing again and can forget Wago, DIN-rail, BJE, Gira, Jung, aso. Now can change to the old three-screw-times (one screw for a cable is not enough - savety first!) and these both oldtimer must import foreign stuff or they make an own company with sponsors of efixx! 😂😆 Then they both are very rich men in the future! 💷💰

@vikingofengland 3 жыл бұрын

After Brexit we will have Spitfires flying around the sky defending the Empire, just you see :D

@adrianraith3831 3 жыл бұрын

Screwless connections are quite common in industrial / control - DIN rail terminals, Rexroth Indralogic PLCs have them, Ansell Optilux high bay lights have them and I've seen 110v trailing sockets with them. One interesting one is Omron MX2 motor inverters; control signal terminals are screwless, but the power input terminals and motor output terminals still have screws. I reckon for switches and sockets, part of the battle will be getting them slim enough to fit in a shallow back box (might not be an issue on a new install where you have control over sourcing materials, but could be on a repair to an existing installation).

@OiDepp Жыл бұрын

20 Years ago i was working as electrician in germany toady i am watching such videos from all around the world and i am confused about what you guys are doing - or still not doing :D :D :D

@9plusinstalaciones 3 жыл бұрын

Years ago I picked up and used a few makes of screwless switches and sockets, they are fast but I didn't like them, since then and since the release of the 221 which I can't seem to get enough of, I won't be going back to the screwless mechanisms as I've been using Bticino Luna for more than 25 years and that's my go to range for all Jobs. I tend to pull my face at anything I'm happy with a bit stubborn I know.

@DIMTips 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video guys did not even know these existed.

@LindaTheLearner 3 жыл бұрын

Go Gordon !! Love ‘em 👍

@rossmurdoch1886 3 жыл бұрын

Providing there is a spare connection to allow a spur that would be great. The torque discussed being set with the lever, is it different depending on cable size?

@leebrodie8 3 жыл бұрын

Great topic! Would love the idea of push fits...but not sure how easy it would be in real life applications.

@evzenhedvabny6259 3 жыл бұрын

Nice race guys 👍. But i would like to see this competition including corresponding backboxes and 2 gang German schuko outlet.

@daveaustin53 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely the way to go (excuse the pun!) So many sockets now have cheap screw terminals that aren’t big enough to reliably take three 2.5mm wires - especially if you have stranded conductors (older twin & cpc or conduit cable). As others have commented; far too often you find existing work with loose screws or incompletely inserted terminations ready to overheat!

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Great points 👍 thanks for commenting

@TheNickt1 3 жыл бұрын

Grunfos pumps used these type of connections but have now gone back to using screws. There was obviously a problem with them

@nickhickson8738 3 жыл бұрын

Vibration perhaps?

@Matt_H_ 3 жыл бұрын

That issue wouldn't be relevant to plugs and light fittings would it? Just asking as some of the new smart lights (sealed circular ones) have the clips instead of screws...

@electrojessy4270 3 жыл бұрын

Here in the nederlands i always use sockets that are puch true really nice. There are already breakers whit the same type of conector i don’t use those but i think its comming soon.

@johnmac1968 3 жыл бұрын

I had this idea years ago when wago released the 2,4,6 and 8 way push in connectors, but also use the 4 way connector fit them off then have an arrangement Where you get the completed connectors and push them in to a receptacle in the back of the outlet, so they fit off separately from the face plate for better access.

@darkdepth1991 3 жыл бұрын

In the Netherlands we fix screwless sockets for over decades ;). We use the German system, central box system in domnestic installations.

@MrIbib 3 жыл бұрын

Would definitely use a push fit or lever connector socket, just as long as it doesn’t come with a proprietary “tool”....

@MrIbib 3 жыл бұрын

And it needs to fit 3x 4mm cables.

@florianbayer2054 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrIbib just get rid of ringmains...

@MrIbib 3 жыл бұрын

@@florianbayer2054 ring main or ring final? Doubt the DNO is using wagos on the ring main. And if you’re using 4mm, you’re not that likely to be doing a ring final either.

@stevenredmond7455 3 жыл бұрын

The push fit socket & accessories should have been out 5yrs ago. What are we waiting for manufacturers.

@Skjaeg69 3 жыл бұрын

denmark has had screwless sockets since 1981

@peternunn22 3 жыл бұрын

I personally think the wago's should be in the back box with fly leads to the socket fronts! be so much neater .

@coralbay00 3 жыл бұрын

Good shout 👏

@bearb1asting 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@cescargot 3 жыл бұрын

FYI in France too brands like Legrand offers quick screeless terminal install since years on their product line... I anticipate it is the same in the rest of the EU as it is cheaper to fabricate and better to install without compromising the safety 👍

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Let’s hope you are right!

@jensschroder8214 3 жыл бұрын

It is difficult to find a socket with screw terminals in stores in Germany. The push terminals on German sockets are designed up to 16A, the contacts in the socket often only up to 10A. But there are also good sockets for real 16A. For more amps, we can use CEE sockets.

@alexanderkupke920 3 жыл бұрын

You will also rarely find someone trying to squish 4 mm leads into a socket. Common here are 2.5 or sometimes even 1.5 mm (if the line has not to provide 16 A continuously, but then those are designed for temporary short time use with 16 A only anyways, for anything else you should use the blue CEE Sockets) and they are not on a ring. But thinking of items and appliances you may find in regular households, nothing actually comes to my mind that exceeds 10 A. The devices with the biggest power consumption are mostly rated something like 2200 W and just scratch the 10 A. You can order sockets from Mertens in both variants by the way. Only disadvantage I personally find with those screw less terminals, the release levers usually don't work that well.

@bertiebassett1972 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome idea I’d pay extra😊 Now if they could address the snapped screw lugs on metal back boxes without having to replace the whole box would be fantastic😉

@markyd2633 3 жыл бұрын

They have.....google it

@ye_oldsilversurfer 3 жыл бұрын

SureWire 16 amp designed for the lightning of domestic property - currently replacing my old 3 plate system in my house with the one wire to a box system, no loop in, loop out feeds any more, no 3 plate system well actually still using the ceiling rose’s but with only 1 cable to terminate!

@jasonelson7238 3 жыл бұрын

Wago connectors are good and I use them all the time but the shutters can get caught and open slightly if you not careful

@shausen1179 2 жыл бұрын

They can, if i put them into a tight jbox, i stick some tape around the shutters so i know they wont get loose.

@delboy8573 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve stated my apprenticeship back in 1987 and we already had screwless connections at sockets and also switches back then

@KiatHuang 3 жыл бұрын

Great content, subscribed! Informative, well paced, with funny banter. Having lived in Belgium where they use the same Shukho sockets, got to say the plugs are a lot easier to get in and out compared to the UK 3pin and the fit is very snug. I had to change all our services over to Shukho plugs, then 3 years later change them all back again to UK plugs which was fiddly. Many small amperage devices in the UK only use two core with the plugs so the 3rd pin is redundant electrically anyway. The internal moving shield is clunky and often is stiff even for adult hands and I've had to give plenty of plugs going into an extension lead a smack because of the lack of precision with components. No such problems with the Shukho. If the consumer units are properly earthed and individual RCD on every circuit, is there really a need for individually earthed devices and sockets? Going two core throughout the house would save money on cable and space allowing slimmer socket and plug internals, wouldn't it? And the big 16A outdoor connectors in the UK are all Shukho style already, rather than monster UK 3 pin, so when will we switch over to the European electrical standards - or at least allow them in the regs so householders and businesses can use them if they want to?

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kiat - welcome on board, we look forward to more of your comments!

@bryceonyoutube 3 жыл бұрын

I am not a spark by any means, however I wonder if a spark could prep the faceplate by that I mean is using a small cable from the screw in clamps to a wago and then when on site instead of having to screw in the cables it can simply go into the wagos and thats you done? Can that be done?

@gibberingidiot 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking this on Saturday as I was desperately shaking the socket to get the screw out of the back of a B&Q special that I'd backed out slightly too far. Absolutely no chance of getting it back in either with the poor design so had to ditch it and install one of mine - the joy's of customer supplied fittings....

@NiKo-ig2td 3 жыл бұрын

There are a few good reasons to move towards having a cage clamp connection points. Other then speed and correct force used for connecting wires there are a few points to consider. New builds often use the shallow metal box. This means the cable when connected with screw terminals often comes out perpendicular and cables immediately bend to fit into the shallow box. As we have more and move advanced sockets and smart sockets you cannot use a shallow back box. But the solution for sockets with WiFi repeater or smart sockets is a 10mm spacer. Not an ideal look. Using cage clamp spring contacts the cable it not bent immediately so as to have some strain relief value. Lots of benefits. As you say. Who will be first to market and save time at installation while improving quality. Screws force and screw slot heads the first to be at fault and fiddly as you show.

@tonygirvin8672 3 жыл бұрын

Yes the wago is the way to go nice and quick and will not over tighten the connection

@Marcel_Germann 3 жыл бұрын

Here in Germany that's the standard for several decades. It started with light switches first, then the outlets were fitted with such terminals. And now you got boards, MCBs, RCDs, RCBOs with such terminals (Hager Quick Connect). Now these days only cheap outlets or switches have the screw terminals. With one exception, special devices like a wall mounted pull switch, or old stuff which is still in production like the old black bakelite switches like this one: www.heinze.de/imagedownload/?image=/m2/20/59220/images/73/13515673px1250x1250.jpg For people which like the 1950s industrial style in their home... And there's no need to push the button when inserting the wire, only when you remove them. The switches, in that case a two-way switch but as you can clearly see, the housing is also used for other models like the intermediate. But in that case there are three terminals, behind the other holes is no terminal: www.voltking.de/media/image/product/59987/md/busch-jaeger-2000-6-us-wippschalter-einsatz-aus-und-wechselschaltung-thermoplast-blau-2cka001012a1069~5.png

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Great information - Thanks 🙏

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Can you send us a link to an RCBO with screw less terminals.

@Marcel_Germann 3 жыл бұрын

@@efixx Single phase, B16, type A, 30mA: www.hager.de/modulargeraete/fehlerstrom-leitungsschutzschalter/fi-ls-schalter-1p+n-6-ka-quickconnect/ads916d/982446.htm Three-phase, B16, 30mA type A: www.hager.de/modulargeraete/fehlerstrom-leitungsschutzschalter/fi-ls-schalter-3x-1p+n-6-ka-quickconnect/adz316d/1001726.htm

@Surferant666 3 жыл бұрын

4mm2 cable is a bit big for wago and i doubt they could carry the current

@dennisphoenix1 3 жыл бұрын

There is a video on you tube were a guy has a wago, connector block, through crimp and a wing nut on one piece of cable and puts 100 amps through it , the cable fails before any of the connections. Did surprise me tbh , I thought the wago would fail .

@liamhodgetts212 3 жыл бұрын

I can see this being a real possibility. I’d pay the extra - I think there’s a much better connection where a screw isn’t involved!

@doctorelectric470 3 жыл бұрын

My wife asked this when she helped me with some work the other day

@angellino1 3 жыл бұрын

probably she is really smart!congrats mate!

@joshrobinson5991 3 жыл бұрын

Time is money, shell out for the time saving products, can't beat those Gregg's donuts!

@cowboyfrankspersonalvideos8869 3 жыл бұрын

We've had quick connect push in outlets and switches in the US since the 1960s.

@rxbristol 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but only for 14 AWG wire and could not be used for 20 amp circuits.

@HarmanatorNYC 3 жыл бұрын

Yet wire nuts (which are crap) are all over the place. Every time I pull a socket or switch off the wall the nuts get replaced with wago.

@JasonEDragon 3 жыл бұрын

I'm in the US and my brother's house developed several faults with outlets wired with 12/3 cable and push in connectors. That arrangement used 6 of the push in connectors per outlet and the stiffness of that many wires made it difficult to push the outlets into the boxes (which are narrow and deep in the US). I use Wago connectors now and they work great as you can push each separate connector into the box without much wire stress. As a time saver I'd prefer outlets come with attached wire leads that you can use with standard Wago-type connectors.

@TheBrummybear 3 жыл бұрын

My kitchen is quite large with all the usual gubbins in it. There are two circuits because of quite a high lode (excluding the cooker). How would these work with possibly 6 or more KW running through them.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Wago 221s are either 32A or 41A current rated - so 6kw isn’t a problem - depending upon the line voltage.

@raychambers3646 3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes the cables can be a tight fit in the back box putting pressure on connections .

@mikejf4377 3 жыл бұрын

The issue of the push to connect has issues after fifteen to twenty years due to coatings and they start having intermittent issues.

@apmullen 3 жыл бұрын

Great stuff from you as always, not sure if it's been asked already, but I this day and age why do accessories not come with pozi head screws?

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

That’s a good question and not one we’ve got an answer for !

@DavidRobertsonUK 2 жыл бұрын

I think that's a terrible idea

@almilhouse9059 3 жыл бұрын

What's honestly needed is, bigger back boxes, which in turn gives better space and place to leave some extra length on cable.... Amount I've come across bet into a box, no space cables all been pulled and pinched. These wago I really like the concept, I haven't got any yet but will be using them from now on

@rimmersbryggeri 3 жыл бұрын

In sweden they were talking about screwless 20 years ago.

@johnb.9190 3 жыл бұрын

did they make any

@nw5835 3 жыл бұрын

Is that why the population is decreasing.............

@rimmersbryggeri 3 жыл бұрын

@@nw5835 No that's because people are not having lagers and unprotected sex anymore.

@paulekstorm-hughes1894 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnb.9190 Yup, my house (in Sweden) is all screwless, sockets, switches, consumer unit..

@johnburns4017 3 жыл бұрын

@@paulekstorm-hughes1894 Screwless on the mcb's in the consumer unit?

@jagarcogheart 3 жыл бұрын

we have both types of outlets in sweden. Often the outlets whit quick connect are cheaper.

@numberoneduno7265 3 жыл бұрын

Comment from America. 23 year IBEW member. For me, time is not the factor when choosing a device. It’s quality. Wago connectors have a huge fail rate. At least the ones we have here. I don’t trust the current to pass through a connection as thin as a knife blade. I like a good mechanical connection, but most of my conductors are stranded, in conduit.

@MervynPartin 3 жыл бұрын

Well said sir. All the guys were talking about was time and not quality. To me, it is quality that matters most. I have seen too many rushed installations which were dangerous. It is true that some German equipment is of very high quality, but this is not universally true and some of their products are rubbish so the tendency to say something from there must be good shows a lack of common sense. As a matter of interest, the UK used to use stranded cables for house wiring, but the 7/0.029" was superseded by 2.5 sq mm conductors, with the cables either clipped or in a conduit.

@filipe.skunk8 3 жыл бұрын

Number one Duno definitely not the wagos made in Europe.. been using them for over a decade and haven’t seen a single failure..

@LoftechUK 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic

@ianthornton1642 3 жыл бұрын

Looks good to me

@RWATraineeElectrician 3 жыл бұрын

Next time have a speed eating contest with doughnuts 😆😆😆

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

*Gary would win

@uvacity 3 жыл бұрын

To add to the concept, how nice would it be to terminate on a Wago connector that then plugs into the accessory. You could then complete and test off first fix and then after plastering and decorating simply plug in the accessory and screw back the face place. The idea is that the Wago connector has its own plug and socket. you could go further by color coding and keying the Wago connectors so they only connect to the correct terminals of the accessory. With this kind of arrangement, Wago could produce a two-part connector that would retrofit any accessory

@OA1998. 3 жыл бұрын

You guys want wago sockets I'm waiting for wago fuseboards

@andygardner9219 3 жыл бұрын

A pre-wired bespoke consumer unit with a facility for expansion but with a marshalling box on the top for termination. You may be on to something.

@12000gp 3 жыл бұрын

Did a fuse board change today and was literally thinking this.

@tristans5945 3 жыл бұрын

Actually there is a whole range of screwless MCBs and RCDs available by Hager : „Quick Connect“ Neutral and Earth-Bars are screwless as well. m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a5hll5iAtrPJmWQ.html

@Richard1977 3 жыл бұрын

@@tristans5945 Welcome to the Dutch way of doing things...

@tristans5945 3 жыл бұрын

Ja, de moije Hager Volta schakelkast, ook gebruikt in Duitsland :)

@davey6024 3 жыл бұрын

But how will I jam in with the ring 3 other pieces of 2.5mm twin and a 1.5mm for my shed light if there is only a 3 way connector... Might be on to something here chaps

@benevison7434 3 жыл бұрын

45 amp switches would benefit most from maintenance free connections. Seen so many over the years that have become major hazards.

@BritishBeachcomber 2 жыл бұрын

I always use doubled over cable ends. Thin cable, big screw terminal - the end can slip along the side of the screw and make an unsafe contact.

@peterhurst 3 жыл бұрын

I'm no spark and maybe I'm being dim but in the case of sockets and anything shoved into a backbox isn't the risk that pushing in against the wiring could push down on the catching mechanism, I realize it could be protected but that would add complexity and hinder the ease of use proposed

@CyberlightFG 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a solution for lamp outlets?

@clivefrancis3546 3 жыл бұрын

If you include stripping and doubling up the end then wago would be even quicker

@earlyyearslearningisfun 3 жыл бұрын

Comedy gold 😂

@mathman0101 3 жыл бұрын

We have had back stab-in connectors in the USA for many years. When done well using quality components they work well. However the NEC still recommend conductors around screws tighten to specific tor JW settings. The back Stan-in connectors had the problem of coming loose and poor termination technique causing arcing. The wago connectors look much better and heavily engineered but again here electricians should be checking. Manufacturers should be releasing their lab test results on their products to see how well they perform. I have to say wago ask provide a lot of technical information on their devices. As a listed device I would trust them however the worry is not to ago products but the cheaper knock-offs we have to worry about.

@Cardetailingburnley 3 жыл бұрын

I think that it will be a good idea to have a push connector

@willwinter281 3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately most people share concerned about the price. Features like this can be built into sockets but the cost to re-tool and re-certify the product will push this above a price point people will pay. You will also suffer housing developers etc (who generate the volume for manufacturing) won’t go for this as they are also focused on price. For the state of the market it’s probably a point of over engineering which would lead the manufacturing aspect of it down a path of conceding this development in favour of a simpler alternative like it currently has

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Will - We’ve heard rumours that at least one manufacturer is working on a screwless socket - Its not if - but when now!

@buzx1313 3 жыл бұрын

split the cpc? exactly why?

@danf6491 3 жыл бұрын

Computer or hospital equipment

@Sparky68M 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if they have improved because when they first arrived many a time I have pulled out multi stranded cables out of the terminal with a few back and forth twists,! I don't like them ! but being old school of 50 years in the trade to me they are not a mechanical connection.

@paulbritton187 2 жыл бұрын

should use crimp ferrules on stranded

@wheeliebad11B 3 жыл бұрын

As an electrician that does lots of service work, much of what I fix is from wago and other spring type connectors that fail. Eventually the springs go weak from heat, the copper gets oxidized and they fail to make a good connection. At the very least they fail, in extreme circumstances they catch fire or melt the devices. It's easy service work that ends up costing the customer lots of money. The smart ones will pay to fix all the devices and connections at one time. Thoes not so smart will end up replacing them over time one at a time with a service call each time.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

What do you replace them with ?

@wheeliebad11B 3 жыл бұрын

@@efixx properly hooked ends on receptacles, pigtails striped, twisted and nutted up tight. This is all pretty well standard stuff for commercial work and the trademark of a skilled electrician. The only time I ever see the wago stuff is in fluorescent or led lighting, but that kind of comes with needing to have a means of disconnect in the fixture. For lighting stuffs they are needed, but that's low current loads and they work well in that application. I guess sometime it's used in some control circuit stuff, but again generally frowned upon. Any kind of real amperage goes through that crap for long and they just heat up and melt. I have to fix lots of thoes spring clip terminations, mostly you only see that crap in residential stuff any way, but it pays good to fix it because hunting the bad spring clips is an art form.

@johnburns4017 3 жыл бұрын

Where are you based?

@johnburns4017 3 жыл бұрын

@@wheeliebad11B When you say _nutted up,_ do you mean wire nuts?

@johnburns4017 3 жыл бұрын

_"Eventually the springs go weak from heat,"_ So *heat* is the cause of failure. That indicates the cable is too small for the amperage load if there is *heat.* I have seen Wagos that have been on high current circuits for over 10 years and are still perfect - but the cable never heated up because it was designed properly with the Wago correctly sized. I cannot speak for other makers. I am not doubting you, but it appears there is more depth to it.

@jontownsend8090 3 жыл бұрын

If we designed consumer units and associated switch gear with wago style connectors, that would be awesome, i am yet to purchase a torque screwdriver. I have not been working in the trade for 4 years, and lots have changed in that short amount of time.

@movax20h 5 ай бұрын

Leaver. Wago 221 style preferably. All for it. Push in, maybe, not a big fun of pushin, because they do not work with stranded conductors, and there is no click :). Cheers, from Switzerland.

@danf6491 3 жыл бұрын

100% it's the future ....loose wires cause fires. What the big question is , when will consumer units get them

@hmmmnz 3 жыл бұрын

I don't think id be particularly confident with push in connectors. Especially in the UK with ring mains (which as a kiwi living over here, i bloody hate) the potential to have fairly high currents passing through the sockets is very real You'd need them to handle at least 32A just to be on safe side, and how long is the spring steel holding the cable terminated going to last if it heats up a bit?? I'll personally keep with the solid connection a screw offers

@Mattja1 3 жыл бұрын

John Ward put a vid a while ago (maybe a few years ago?) massively overloading cables with various connections, think he may have done one with wagos only too. From memory the sheathing had all burnt off the wire and then the copper wire broke with the metal of the wago still intact.

@filipe.skunk8 3 жыл бұрын

hmmmnz with that comment I’d say you shouldn’t even be an electrician 🤣 a screw on a copper wire offers a solid connection? For how long? Maybe in kangaroo land only 🙄. Doing ring mains is stupid and lazy plus it doesn’t offer selectivity..

@hmmmnz 3 жыл бұрын

@@filipe.skunk8 Maybe you should blow a goat,. I've been a spark for 20 years and never had a strip connector fail. If you can't tighten one up with your limp wrists then using a wago connector is your best bet. A screw terminal is good enough for an MCB, so it's good enough for me.

@filipe.skunk8 3 жыл бұрын

@@hmmmnz I’m just taking the piss man relax 🤣 connector blocks are primitive though.

@johnburns4017 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mattja1 John Ward testing Wago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLZgpKuqu6fdnYk.html

@cocoino2307 3 жыл бұрын

im pretty sure if they can get a product screwless to an affordable price every single spark will buy them , no more loose connections hopefully and a quick and easy install

@adreenryan2901 3 жыл бұрын

If you think there are getting loose use thread lock on screws and it does work.

@cocoino2307 3 жыл бұрын

@@adreenryan2901 I almost never get a loose connection but when you get apprentices doing sockets theres a loose earth or neutral too often

@williammartinculleton7523 3 жыл бұрын

Have the push fit stood the 20 year test ?

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve been using screw-less terminals since 1996 - *Gordon

@Chequr_Prostate 3 жыл бұрын

I’m wondering if they would fail when the sockets are being forced back onto a shallow box for instance.

@mowcius 3 жыл бұрын

I suspect less frequently than screwed terminals where people never seem to get them tight enough (especially when it's 3x2.5mm for a spur) and all of the conductors fall out when you take the socket off.

@darrenknight8237 3 жыл бұрын

Have tool less made by Schneider and Panasonic out here in Thailand as well as conventional screw type cost wise about the same

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Good to know - If you get a chance drop us a picture!

@darrenknight8237 3 жыл бұрын

@@efixx how can I get in touch direct can send you a socket in the post

@goldenboy5500 3 жыл бұрын

here in north america we have had them for many years

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

are the US ones any good?

@enriquedmu1 3 жыл бұрын

But what would i do with my Wira slim screwdriver set i won from you guys?

@dalriada842 3 жыл бұрын

Give it to me? :)

@ChrisHills44 3 жыл бұрын

If only the world would adopt the IEC standard mains plug/socket (60906-1) then we could make use of the same innovations everywhere.

@BedsitBob 3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't the screw-less connectors make the assembly too deep, to fit in a pattress box?

@cjmillsnun 3 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. It depends how they are positioned

@thomasamsterdam 3 жыл бұрын

You need to press that lever only to remove the wire. If you press it while you insert the second wire, the first my fall out again. Greetings from the continent.