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MaskedNintendoBandit when you first meet her in ocrena of time!

Zelda 2: The adventure of Link

Breath of the Wild

Twilight princess zelda is my favorite or breath of the wild but with the short hair.

There someone (I legit can't remember who it was, sorry) who put out a theory that much like Hylia and the triforce, Demise had access to an inverted triforce, and that the timeline split was deliberately set up by her and the Shiekah in order to split the inverted triforce over the three timelines to weaken Demise, who as far as we know is still sealed inside the master sword, and being held back by Fi. And that the 7 year gap between the adult and child timelines were on purpose - something that didn't happen to any other Link throughout Hyrule's history. Not to discount the Hero of Winds though. Kid absolutely was a badass.

In game it states that the hero of winds is the same age as the hero of time, as explained by link's grandmother. When boys turn the age of the hero of time, they wear a green tunic for the day. Obviously, they are referring to the 16 year old hero of time in the adult timeline. While the hero of winds looks way younger than the hero of time, that is due to the art style. The link from triforce heroes, who looks very young, is the same link from albw, who looks older despite the fact that triforce heroes takes place after albw.

In wind waker they say that Fi was powerless, she didn't had any power left to act, because of that they neded to do the ritual to restore her power. That means that fi was comatose or mode off.

@@andresbarquin I'm pretty sure somewhere it says toon link is 12

@@XWingToast "It is the day that you become the *same age* as the young hero spoken of in all the legends." This was stated by link's grandmother at the very beginning of the game. Edit: forgot to mention, the hero of time depicted in the opening of the game also looks very young due to the art style.

There is nothing in the game that says he was not born as the Hero. If he had not been born as the Hero, then he would have had to undergo the same purification rituals that the Hero of the Skies underwent, but no such a thing happened.

​@@angelmendez-rivera351 hero of sky went through those trials to empowered the skyward sword and turn it into the master as well as prepping him for use of the triforce. Wind waker link doesn't need to empower the master sword, just needs to find it, and he doesn't need to use the triforce, also just needs to find it. In finding these things and surviving the impossible he earned his way as a new hero whether he had the soul of the hero or not, he was getting tested as every hero before him, he doesn't need to go through what the hero of the sky went through because their goals are different.

@@thatguywithanumbrella You literally just proved my point: the Hero of the Winds was an incarnation of the Spirit of the Hero, a metaphysical, abstract concept-bundle of the qualities that make someone a Hero. This has to be obviously the case, since otherwise, he would not have been able to wield the Master Sword at all.

@@angelmendez-rivera351 You didn't see the video?, the master sword accepted Link of WW because he showed to have great courage, not because he has the spirit of the hero

@@jacky9575 Having great courage IS part of what it means to be an incarnation of the Spirit of the Hero. That's the point

Who?

@@mysticranger6894 Botw Zelda, But now that I think about it, it also sounds like Hilda (but alas, she is from Lorule).

It was all unintentional 'cuz she never wanted them consequences. Canonically, Link didn't die in the last battle. He won against Ganondorf twice, got sent back to the past, warned the Zelda in the past, warned the Royal Family (which unintentionally caused the war), went to the woods where he found the way to Termina while chasin' the Skull Kid, helped the folks livin' in Termina with Tatl also helpin' out, defeated Majora's Mask after freein' the Four Giants, an' saved that parallel world from the evil, with the Skull Kid also bein' saved. At the same time, the war was still bein' fought. Maybe after 7 years, the war was won with some of the Gerudo bein' exiled with the others bein' executed as capital punishment. Ganondorf was sentenced to be executed, but the execution failed 'cuz Sage Zelda sendin' Link an' Navi back to the past created a pardox, caused the Triforce in the past ta split into 3 triangles like its future counterpart, AND gave the Gerudo thief the Triforce of Power (which WAS unintentional fer Zelda). After he murdered the Sage of Water, he got sent to the Twilight Realm by the other sages as he was turnin' into Ganon (the tusks in his mouth could indicate that the he WAS gonna transform into Ganon). He wondered what was goin' on. He was unpleasantly surprised by this. He screamed with anger, hate (the hate born from pride, envy, jealousy, an' the wicked plot's exposure, not fear), an' agony when he realized that he was bein' sucked in by the portal made by the mirror shinin' on the boulder. That was the Mirror of Twilight. Maybe after Ganondorf's banishment, Link came back to a ruined Hyrule (like in the future). He was shocked again. He was hurt again. He was devastated again. In the past that led to the future timeline, Link AND Zelda had the plan ta stop Ganondorf, but their plan really helped his scheme in the future timeline. They was so ignorant of the consequences that they decided on gettin' the Master Sword an' the Triforce (when their 10-year-old minds didn't know better). They was so naive that they thought they was gonna become the heroes (which they did, but now without 7 years of the oppression). Understandable kid behavior 'cuz they wasn't mature enough ta really know what was goin' on, 'cept fer Ganondorf bein' up to somethin' (AND the legend of the Triforce). Ganondorf knew about their plan from the get-go. Fi put Link ta sleep fer 7 years 'cuz she wanted 'im to be old enough ta use the sacred sword, so he could strong enough ta really handle it. Their plan was really helpin' the thief get a part of the Golden Power (he used Link ta get the Triforce of Power by lettin' him get the Master Sword). Then Ganondorf became the Demon King who ruled fer 7 years with NO concern fer the land or the the folks livin' there! The 7 years ended. Link was devastated when he saw Hyrule's ruined state (which he was partially responsible fer when he pulled the sword outta the pedestal, even when he never meant ta really cause it). Link an' Navi helped Saria, Darunia, Ruto, Impa, AND Nabooru while Zelda was keepin' a low profile as Sheik. Link met her again a few times 'fore he helped 'em out with the monsters (which he didn't know yet 'cuz Zelda was in disguise the entire time). Then he met her again, but this time, the real identity was shown (which Ganondorf was waitin' fer). Link lifted the barrier by shootin' the cores with the Light Arrows she'd given 'im, fought his way to the top, defeated Ganondorf, an' saved Zelda from her imprisonment. They escaped from the castle just in time as it was collapsin'. An' then they won against Ganondorf together after he turned into Ganon. Maybe Ganondorf was sealed in the Dark World fer 10 years or a few more decades before the time he broke out (Demise's hate was so strong that Ganondorf could break outta his prison in the Dark World after a few years or decades). All these things wound up bein' the fulfillment of the prophecy that was part of how the Temple of Time was built. Link pullin' out the Master Sword, lettin' Ganondorf get the Triforce of Power, sleepin' fer 7 years, helpin' the sages, defeatin' Ganondorf twice ta make up fer his mistake, AND survivin' the last battle. It was all part of the prophecy that predicted Link, Navi, an' Zelda's victory over Ganon (which WAS essential so the world could be saved from Demise's Curse again, even fer a short time involvin' 10 years or a few more decades). AND it's 'cuz destiny says so. She regretfully admitted that the tragedy was her doin'. She explained that it was caused by her naivete AND her ignorance of the consequences of tryna control the Sacred Land (she was 10 years old at that time, so her brain wasn't mature enough ta really know the consequences till she grew up). Sendin' Link an' Navi back to the past was hard fer all of 'em. It meant that the Hyrule in the past could be prevented from bein' taken over the same way that the Hyrule in the future was. Think that it led to the events in Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, Link's Crossbow Training, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, Ancient Stone Tablets, Oracle of Seasons, Oracle of Ages, A Link Between Worlds, Triforce Heroes, The Legend of Zelda, The Adventure of Link, AND Breath of the Wild. Maybe The Wind Waker (which was 900 years after the powers flooded the world of Hyrule), Phantom Hourglass (some time after The Wind Waker happened), AND Spirit Tracks was happenin' in the future timeline hundreds of years after Twilight Princess (when Link the Hero of Twilight killed Ganondorf in battle ta save the 2 worlds), Link's Crossbow Training (with the battles after dealin' with the Dark Lord), Four Swords (hundreds o' years after Twilight Princess), Four Swords Adventures (a few years after Four Swords), A Link to the Past (hundreds o' years after Four Swords Adventures with the map bein' almost identical), Link's Awakening (some time after A Link to the Past), Ancient Stone Tablets (which was 6 years after A Link to the Past), Oracle of Seasons (many years after A Link to the Past), Oracle of Ages (which could be after Oracle of Seasons, like in the order of the manga), and A Link Between Worlds (which was generations after A Link to the Past) happened in the past timeline. But sendin' Link an' Navi back meant erasin' the original Spirit of the Hero (heroic determination) from the Adult Timeline forever so that a new Spirit of the Hero (a new heroic personality replacin' the original that was totes erased) could replace it, which allowed The Wind Waker Link ta live as his own person with the selfless choices makin' HIM the new hero (not just rescuin' his lil' sis, but the entire world from Ganondorf), even without bein' chosen by the Golden Sisters first. They was so impressed that they chose him when he proved 'imself worthy by completin' the trial at the Tower of the Gods, ringin' the bell, helpin' other folks with their probs, restorin' the Master Sword's power with help from Medli and Makar, an' then collectin' all 8 pieces of the Triforce of Courage with Tingle's help in decipherin' the Triforce charts (with Courage bein' the most important triangle 'cuz real courage symbolizes the Spirit of Love). Even the Master Sword and Fi was choosin' him 'cuz he had the heart of a REAL hero (love, compassion, kindness, selflessness, AND the determination to help others with their probs when he saw that there was more to it than rescuin' his sis), even when he wasn't chosen first. Why do I got feelin' that A Link to the Past happened long after Four Swords Adventures? Not just 'cuz of the map bein' almost identical, but 'cuz of Ganondorf breakin' outta the Four Sword, stealin' it from the Four Sword Sanctuary, gatherin' the greedy followers, leadin' 'em to the Sacred Realm, endin' their lives with mass murder in the Sacred Realm when they was fightin' over the Triforce, gettin' the Golden Power (with all 3 pieces), and makin' the wish that turned the Sacred Realm into the Dark World. Which means Ocarina of Time's story repeatin' itself, but in the past timeline where Ocarina of Time was mostly prevented from happenin' ('cept the Deku Tree bein' dead, the Spiritual Stones bein' on the altar, the Door of Time bein' open, an' Ganondorf's attack destroyin' the castle, the town, the ranch, AND the windmill bein' burned to the ground). He also broke the Four Sword into 4 fragments. Then he placed all 4 fragments in 4 separate pedestals. All them pedestals was in the Palace of the Four Sword. So I'd say that the GBA version of A Link to the Past could be the most canonically correct form, 'cuz Ganon still had the trident he stole from the pyramid in Four Swords Adventures, killed the followers he led to the Sacred Land, got the full Triforce, made a wish ta rule the world, made the Sacred Land into the Demon World, broke the Four Sword into 4 pieces, put 'em in 4 separate pedestals in the Palace of the Four Sword, AND recruited more followers ta join his army. The "downfall" was a what-if scenario. A thing that shows that there WAS no guarantee that he'd succeed. The Hyrule Historia's so wrong about so many things.

@@truelionofhylia8437 this paragraph was so long I couldn't concentrate on reading it all

@@truelionofhylia8437 can I do a vid about it?

Garred van Claymore Well the hero of time was a 9 year old that skipped ahead 7 years.

They are the same age. Literally the first thing the game tells you.

WW Link is the same age as adult OoT Link.

@@JPARnum1 when link started his journal I believe

@@Freelancer837 I've heard that, but 16 just seems so old for Toon Link. Then again, the depressed guy, Kamo is 18, and looks young, too. So idk.

If Link becomes terrified of losing things and then grows to stay somewhere he's most comfortable, how much does that explain about his return to Hyrule after Majora's Mask?

You were NOT kidding about that being long.

@@chaoscontroller316 Good question, to which I don't have a good answer. According to Hyrule Encyclopedia, Termina is a temporary fantasy world, dreamt up by a Skull Kid under Majora's influence, based off of Skull Kid's experiences in the real world of Hyrule and constructed from his memories and delusions. One that only lasts as long as Majora’s power does. Once Majora if defeated, the Land of Termina fades. I personally don't like this explanation at all, because 1) the (basically) "it's just a dream" cop-out somewhat takes away the impact of the story and 2) Hyrule Encyclopedia is just straight up wrong about kind of a lot of things, so its canonicity is questionable. Encyclopedia writes of the Hero's fate, after MM, "He saves Termina [...] but no record of his deeds after remains." How convenient... Another explanation would be that Link left Termina and returned to Hyrule to continue the his search for his lost fairy partner, Navi. After an undefined period of not finding her, he eventually settles down and has offspring.

I love this. A lot

It's a complete misjudgement of Link's character to think he wanted glory. Zelda attempted to give him back his childhood. Neither of them could have known what would happen in a future Hyrule.

Is that a Bible quote?

@@lukejones7164 yes

Brah, no! No wonder Demise is so successful! He pulled the biggest troll move in fictional media history and now they can't get rid of him. I hate Demise. I hope he rolls in his grave for all eternity one day and never returns, breaking the curse forever..

All the better he got to crush said bird with a comically large hammer with INTENT.

@@josefarias5216 *Big bird steals links sister* toon link: Thats it Im getting me Mallet..

But the prophesied hero is reborn because of a curse by a demon not the goddesses.

@@tsemiu but the curse was made by what exactly..? What gave the power to create said curse? If i recall its demise but who or what created demise? Alternatively where do the goddesses come from? Who or what created them?

Best Zelda Game. Still.

I prefer to look at each Zelda game as it’s own story separate from all the others makes it more simple that way.

That side special 😵😵

*Laughs in down B*

What situation has this ever happened in?

@@spyrofrost9158 in smash bros zelda has a parry/deflect ability that if used on an opponents heavy attack (i.e links hard swing) it can insta kill lol

Spyro Frost she wants the protagonism.

I have my own theory for why the hero reincarnated late. I think, after OoT Zelda sent the Hero of Time back there where two Links in the Child Timeline. While we do not know, what Child Timeline's original Link did, the Hero of Time became the Hero's Spirit from TP, where he trained Child Timeline's Link's reincarnation (aka Twilight Link). Because he was still there, he couldn't be reincarnated in time for Ganondorfs return in his own timeline. After he finished training his descendant, he finally went on to the afterlife and could be reborn as the Hero of Wind.

Caterina Peche Ooh, I like that theory.

@@connerkline6269 I just assumed there was actually a Hero of the Flood who had no choice but to flood and seal hyrule with some help from the gods. I mean with the sages dead the Master Sword would've lost it's power at some point probably during the final battle.

but hey thats just a theory a game theory and cut #matpat

Conner Kline I actually said the same thing a little while ago, but I can’t find my comment anymore. Another glaring issue though is the matter of the Hero Defeated timeline. Is there no hero in that timeline either? From this POV, there can only be one spirit of the hero, and it is not passed around timelines, meaning that there is no spirit of the hero in 2 of the three timelines. Then when we get to BOTW, which is supposed to be a rejoining of the timelines, does that mean that the Hero of the Wild is 1/3 the spirit of the hero?

@Zachary Erickson before the HD remakes popularized a menu toggle, Hero Mode was unlocked when you beat the game then restarted the game on the same file. So you're both right lol The only changes were 1. Making the Hero's clothes invisible 2. The handful of lines of Ancient Hylian is translated 3. You retain any colored photos you have from your previous run, giving you the Pictobox immediately and allowing you to log Ganondorf in the figurine shop. If you don't have any photos when you beat/restart the game, the colored pictobox will be in Tingle's Cell rather than the normal one, negating the need to upgrade it

Zeldalina I didn’t either!

This isn't Nintendo black crisis, it's masked nintendo bandit..... But it's nice to know im not the only one who found it.

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This meant a 3rd Video Game World War gets to a Nightmarish beginning

Isnt breath of wild in child timeline?

@@mysticranger6894 Botw has no official timeline placement. It is implied that Nintendo wanted a fresh start of a Zelda game from the timeline so they made it so it doesn't just fit one timeline. Plus there is a massive amount of references to games from all timelines that it is pretty much impossible to place on one timeline

@@portal6884 Maybe it is a new 4th timeline, where events from many games occured in some way. But I think child due to sequel having Ganon return

@@mysticranger6894 MatPat has a theory on where BotW fits, its interesting

Majoras mask, twilight princess, is games, and obviously botw. Nintendo wont say anything about its placement nor have they implied it's a fresh start.

Probably. The spirit of the hero is a touchy subject

Thank you for your support :)

Anonymous Person finally i’ve been waiting for someone to say this

Well, yeah. The hero of time isn't there anymore. Ganondorf most likely mistook The Hero of Winds for The Hero of Time. Or at the very least, acknowledged The Hero of Winds to be equals with The Hero of Time. Since he would not be the first one in the game to mistake The Hero of Winds for The Hero of Time.

Mr. Cheese Everyone in the game who mistook him for the hero of time thought he was legitimately the hero of time. But Ganon was different in the sense that he said that the hero of winds was the hero of time “reborn”. No one else said that. And the whole reincarnation thing was how Link was able to make it to each timeline, and Ganon recognizes that.

@@anonymousperson1706 Yes, but that's the thing. The Hero of Winds is not The Hero of Time, as the Reincarnated Hero no longer exists in the Adult timeline. When he said "reborn", he most likely meant that in the sense of acknowledging The Hero of Winds as an equal to The Hero of Time, despite not being a reincarnation of the hero.

Mr. Cheese I guess that’s a point of contention, because you and I clearly interpret “reborn” differently. To each his own, I suppose. The only way to solve this would be to ask Nintendo, but it’s not like the timeline doesn’t have any plot holes. They probably don’t know either.

Thanks man! It was always something I wondered about ever since I was a wee lad

Windmill guy finally stopped playing allowing the songs effect to occur. But he did it for over 10 (Assuming Ganon appears maybe 5 years after OOT) and it backed up.

@@zacross8504 xD

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I believe this theory. The spirit can jump from timeline to timeline as you said. Because In the defeated timeline Link dies. So this splits it to the third timeline. There is now two timelines where the hero’s spirit continues to fight Ganon. This third timeline, the adult timeline, I believe the hero’s spirit managed to find it’s way back. And these trials are there to prove this is him. We all forgot that when you stab Ganondorf in the head he says: “You are him.. reborn.” Also we cant forget about Demise’s curse. They are forced an eternal cycle of reincarnations. That’s why I also believe Malladus is just Ganondorf or Demise’s reincarnation.

I also would like to add while the King of the Red Lions, the Great Deku Tree and Jabun say it’s not the Hero or Time, I think they really don’t know exactly what they are looking for. The Great Deku tree was just a sapling. He probably doesn’t remember much. Red Lion and Jabun wasn’t there during the OoT events. They are descendants of the people who were there. I think they were actually looking for the “Hero of Time” or OoT Link. They were probably literally looking for the hero who “Traveled through time” to save them again just like the legends and not knowing about Demise’s curse and the spirit of the hero. At least this is my interpretation of what went on in Wind Waker.

Yeah but the Hero of Time and Sky are in the same timeline

Thomas Pereira Yes they are.

@@thomaspereira1545 Yeah but the spirit of hero doesn't just leave a timeline because the one who had it leaves. The whole point of the curse was basically for demise to have a rematch with the hero and goddess/princess. They're forced to reincarnate regardless of what happens.

I personally believe that the LoZ timeline is nothing. The reason the timeline was made is because the fans wanted connections for each game. This is why I dont like the topics of the timeline since it's confusing and bonkers. Ig it would be cool if certain games had certain connections, but I personally think that a timeline was never decided from Nintendo in the first place. They only made the timeline for the fans. I personally never wanted one. I believe that the "connections to games" is just fun easter eggs Nintendo puts to symbolize their past games. Nintendo is actually known to do that. I just like the games for what they are, not this connection hocus pocus stuff lol

It's such a good game

***Whole Zelda timeline crumbles at this statement***

Zelda decided to send Link back to when he was a kid because she felt guilty of asking him to complete the quest in the first place. Without her feeling of guilt the child timeline wouldn't have existed and the spirit of the hero would probably have returned which would mean the goddesses wouldn't have needed the flood the land. As for Demise he was indeed kille by SS Link but he cursed Link and Zelda which is why an incarnation of his evil returns time and time again

They did destroy the Demon King, but he cursed them lmao, then his evil intent was reincarnated into ganondorf and maybe vatti idk.

I think its more of a Hylia issue. Zelda, Tetra, and Sheik are pretty badass on their own. Its Hylia who is the load in the relationship.

@Manek Iridius Im pretty sure that was partially the reason Fi returned to the sword. However the main reason was because she had simply completed the task she was made for

And who might've sent her those prophetic dreams in the first place? Sure, it could've been some sixth sense, or maybe it was the will of the godesses

By the nature of the wish it would be seen as selfish and most likely the Triforce would scatter upon contact, with the piece most attuned to your self directly going to you just like what happened to Ganon in OoT.

@@josefarias5216 The Triforce doesn't discriminate against any type of wish. It shattered in OOT because Dragmire did not have a personal balance between courage, wisdom & power. This is described in the Hyrule Historia.

@@lupinthethird5784 but by the nature of that wish you would have to be most attuned to the triforce of power

Well there is a video in spanish that explains how it makes a little bit more of sense, he explains that the master sword has never lost the ability to destroy evil, even if it has been abandoned for a long time the most that happened is that it lost strenght, but now they tell us that we need people praying for it so it can defeat evil, something that is not true, in Skyward sword we see that the ability to defeat evil is because it was made by fussing the three flames, the blessing of hylia and it also involved the soul of the hero, because he make it, but without that soul, the bond broke, and it lost it's power, and if you pay attention the queen of fairies resembles fi and she says that link is her type, maybe because of his previous masters, and she is out of the sword, because the bond was broken

I can't stop laughing 🤣

Where tf is the yell from I need to know for scientific research

That could be plausible since if you beat windwaker you can play in link's regular clothes instead of the hero's garb.

@@Digitalhdwmn I was not aware of this! Wow that's a super neat detail! Thanks for the information :3 ~nya

Interesting question. We don’t know much about the Triforce in the Child Timeline, as MM is still the Hero of Time, and may or may not have it, plus TP Link was just born with it. The whole situation is a bit confusing, but for the after Ganon part of that question, I think that he left the one he actually possessed in the Adult Timeline, but when he got back in the Child, the Triforce was still sitting in the Sacred Realm, and eventually wound up partially in the hands of the Hero of Twilight. During the game, though, your guess is as good as mine. He probably left it, but you just never know

@@theleftfootedsultan All we know is that he's able to keep even with the paradox of the child timeline having it. It's theorized he kept until death and then it went to his descendant TP Link centuries later.

@Princess Emmy Rae Higginbotham I know, I was talking about the whole depressed stuff, that's totally the one from Twilight Princess :v

@@axlzubia5505 twilight princess doesnt act depressed at all. Where do you even get that idea? Because the game is dark in color?

@@tsemiu No, I actually love that game, it's just a joke

@@axlzubia5505 I mean, I didnt mean to imply I thought you didnt. Its Zelda, how could you not love it. I just didnt see Zelda as that kind of character. She was sweet and wise and absent. She was a queen protecting her kingdom the best way she could.