More not black than not American, IMO.

@@codyfrance2537 they play the same positions but Jokic plays it differenty.

Pasted a lot of ppl bro also based them with his attitude. He would never say anything bad about shaq like that if the roles were riversed

Dude what's bad what shaq said lol do man have his opinion lol least shaq kept it real didn't lie or hide

I suggest shac be the presenter at the Oscars, congratulations, you're a really good actor and actress, but I really don't think you should win an Oscar. Others should win the Oscar because I honestly think they are better, but congratulations.

They are such different beasts.

@@UnconventionalReasoningJokic has more impact in different areas, Shaq can’t makeup what Jokic does

You’re not very bright. Shaq led a 3 peat

The NBA changed the rules to allow zones because Shaq was so dominant, especially during th 3-peat--no team has had a 3-peat since. Nah, Joker ain't there yet.

@@truthbearer7891 With Kobe

U are so right

Jokic is only 29 years old with 3 MVPs, 1 Championship MVP and a Ring. He has 4-5 more top or elite years. His final flowers will be worldly

He looked cocky going at Gobert in game 5 lol

Jokic is HIM. But that was cringe.

You are exactly right people forget he’s in a small market team. He doesn’t have that much help comparatively like Kareem and magic and James worthy three superstars Larry Bird Kevin McHale Dennis Johnson, three superstars go to Denver you have Jokic and. Very good role players some close to superstar but not like Kareem, mag and James worthy

I would argue that Murray is an All Star.... that just wasn't selected.

@@markcurtis2931not an all star

@@markcurtis2931 youre not an all star till youre selected as one.

@@markcurtis2931nope, he’s been injured far too much. And he’s never been a defender or averaged high assists. And his scoring has never been above 21 ppg …

​@@gnielsen07 To me it's akin to how the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame chooses the bands who get inducted. It's almost a dubious honor to be selected.....because the criteria is typically more about superficial popularity than granular reasoning. And to deconstruct your evaluation.... Unless the injury prevents you from participating in the game, that should not be an automatic disqualifier--- if at certain points of the season on the injured list. Being selected to an All Star Game is not the same as being the MVP for an entire season. He has had an injury prone career, but not enough to prevent him from contributing to team and league success. As far as defensively, I've seen every game he's played, and I know he is a better defender than many people think. He gets a LOT of blocks for a guard, and if anyone watched his steal of Anthony Edwards in Game 5, they could see his skill there as well. It's hard to fully quantify efficiency numbers due to all the team defensive switching and complete mismatches against bigger players. I know this....coach Malone would not have a guy on his team that is not at least a decent defender, and I think Murray is better than average. Besides that, since when is that a MAJOR criterion for all stars anyway? Bruce Bowen was NBA All Defensive First Team or Second Team EIGHT times in his career....not one All Star appearance. Your PPG numbers are off a bit....as he HAS been over 21, twice. This year, and in 2020-21. But are you placing 21 ppg as a benchmark? There are players who score less who are better than many who score well past 21. But speaking of numbers...here's one for you. 42.5% from 3.....that's what he averaged this year. But it's not just numerical metrics, it's things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Murray is the other half of the best tandem in the NBA. He is a leader and the team looks to him to score big buckets. As far as assists go, if you watch the offense Denver runs it goes through Jokic. So he takes so many of the assists Murray might normally get. And even when Murray is out there in NJM (Non Jokic Minutes)....the second team guys he passes to often miss more shots. But 6 assists per is still better than a lot of guards. He can also take over a game when he gets in a zone. Not many players have scored over 50 points in the playoffs TWICE. He has been one of the most clutch performers in the playoffs for several years. THAT is when he earns his status as a "STAR".....it makes me wonder if you have noticed how GREAT he has been in key situations. From those epic 50 point battles with Donovan Mitchell....to the buzzer beater over the outstretched arms of Anthony Davis this year....to the half court momentum swinging 3 pointer in Game 4 against the TWolves....he has been just as vital to the team's winning those games as Joker has been in many others. Those things should carry over to all star voting/coaches selections in subsequent seasons. Finally, something he can do extremely well at his size is post up and get his own shots. Very few guards have that kind of ability. You can use any advanced metrics you want....I bet the 3 time MVP would not want anyone else in that position than Jamal. You know why? Because despite having an attitude on occasion (I called him out with the heat pack incident), he's a tough, hard nosed player who defers to Jokic. They have a symbiosis on the court. And I know from all of the feedback Joker gives in interviews about Jamal, that he respects him as much as what he gets in return. I said Murray is an all star who hasn't been selected. But I think that is what fuels him. So I actually hope he never does.....I would rather have team success/championships ANY DAY.

If you don’t appreciate Jokic play you have no clue about organized basketball. You are a street basketball fan.

All SGA had over Jokic was 4 more points per game. Silly pick.

@@billwoods7578 agreed. Jokic stats were much better.

@@billwoods7578exactly and atleast 10-12 of those points come from the free throw line 😂

Dude. I love Jok. I grew up in Illinois watching Jordan, love MJ. We gotta slow that shizz waaay down. We need at least 3 more ships before then. We’re not even past the Twolves yet going for 2.

I’m a Jokic apostle but another finals MVP puts him in line with Hakeem and Shaq. He would still need another MVP to be able to compare to Wilt. Kareem and Russel are far off, that’s GOAT tier, he would need minimum four MVP’s and titles to be in that tier.

Earlier this year, some video prompted me to make a Top-10 centers list. I made a list of 9 and left Jokić off. The dude is only 29, I can't place him yet, but a slot is waiting for him.

@@rado22MVP is a beauty contest award. Most people would put O’Neill in the top 10 to 15 yet he has only one MVP. Personally I would put Joker ahead of him already…. he’s a similar scorer and similar rebounder but then you add nine assists a game versus two. Shaquille doesn’t win a single championship without Kobe and then Wade, but Joker has won the first one and might win number two this year and still doesn’t have an All-Star on his team. I care About that a lot more than I care about how many championships Kobe won for Shaq.

If he wins another ring, as much as i love Hakeem, he needs to give his 5th place rank to the Joker. And if Joker wins 3 rings, he will strongly challenge Shaq's 4th place rank.

@@user-mp7bi5mv8q you’re going to give Shaq credit for the three titles Kobe won for him? Joker has won and has a good chance for a second with a team that has no All-Stars, probably no one who will ever be in All-Star, and certainly never going to be a top five all-time player. But you’re so hyper focused on who has the most championships that you don’t pay attention a little details like who was the best player on the team and won them without that player.

Kareem did win 6..5 with the lakers..but he won with magic and worthy as teammates and he was not the top dog in these showtime lakers..it was magic...for me kareem was somewhat over rated..same with lebron being traditionally ranked 3rd and 2nd all time...sure kareem did win 6 mvps..but he won without some great competition in the 70s...and he won only two fmvps despite winning 6 chips..magic won three and worthy won one...

That makes no sense. You gotta be elite on both ends to be goat. That's why magic and bird are not considered in the goat Convo. At the very least he could be top 12

@@user-vq3xf4bf9q Thats not why they aren't considered the GOAT...its because MJ has 6 rings with 2 3peats. Prior to MJ they were a part of that comversation 100%

Top 10 all time is also good,and he have a chance for that

He just did one a few hours ago 😂😂😂😂 they just look for reasons to knock him. Like...he can't dunk..then he did last night 😂

Honestly, Magic would be my favorite all timer to pair with jokic. That offense would set the ast record every year.

Star-ball with splashy poster dunks vs Team-ball with splashy poster dunks lol

Or give jokic 4 hof players, 6th man of the year and dpoy and then we can count championships

@@Peca-sz6yt and one of the goat coaches

@@lbp5277 yeah that shit too

Lmao bro shut your mouth and never talk hoops again. Duncan’s 03’ run is arguably the best of all time. 5x champ, 3x FMVP, 15x All NBA/All Defense/All-Star, ROY, all time playoff double-doubles record, all time playoff blocks record, never won less than 50 games, never missed the playoffs. You little boys need to watch a different sport.

@@Peca-sz6ytyou have to be a child. No one is putting Jokic over Duncan. Absolutely no one.

Hakeem better than Robinson stop it

He is the only player in NBA history who has won one a chip without another all-star on the team.

3 MVP, 1 chip, and 1 Finals MVP matches Moses Malone.

You really can't. Jokic would get pummeled down low back then and those guys would get run off the floor today. Except Wilt. If his head is right, that dude is a problem in any era.

People say that because they don’t want to give players like Luka and Jordan their due, but they’re the same people who turn around and say LeBron and Steph belong in the top 10. Jordan played against Kobe, Kobe played against LeBron, and LeBron has played against Jokic. So explain to me exactly when this league stopped being like “back then”.

@SDesWriter when your mvp is a 7 foot big that plays physically. In a league where todays bigs are mostly smaller ,thinner, and weaker centers. A league where you can't touch a player or it's a foul. Can't play defense. Better advantages now vs." Back then. More physical back then . Way more . Being physical changes the way you play ball. Without that, you have no concern . Just dribble and shoot.

@@williamchavez365 it’s such a lot of nonsense it’s not even worth picking apart. You can’t touch without a foul? Tell that to the Mavericks where Luca took three hits to the knee during the clippers series and is now more of a liability than a 34 point triple double machine. tell that to Murray who got banged around the first two games of the Timberwolves series. Yeah there are players who get touch fouls like SGA every time he misses a shot, but Dort play football on the court and rarely fouls out. As for how physical they are (were), Robinson played Shaq tough and he was 30lbs lighter than Jokic. It’s not as physical as it was in the 80s or 90s, but Olajuwon was shorter and lighter and fucked up everybody he went up against including Shaq.

Ure either black or a jokic hater😂. He is already top 15. Another ring will put him in different tier

@@hyena5313 I’m a huge Jokic fan…I was being reserved but yeah…

3 mvps and 2 chips that puts him in extremely rarefied air if he wins again. Put in the fact he’s making records no one has ever done 2k,1k,500 or leading the playoffs in points rebounds and assist. He’s already entered the rarefied air.

​@@hyena5313I'm White and Jokic is top 20-25. He will become top 10-15 .

Today's weak, 3 point contest NBA deserves it's own record book. The man is a great player but the game is soft and the stats are inflated.