Which Bird is Best for Falconry?! HARRIS' HAWK, REDTAIL HAWK OR GOSHAWK? Interviewing Falconers

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Terra Historia

Terra Historia

3 жыл бұрын

In today's video Dave alongside three other falconers answer a very commonly asked question... Which BOP is best for falconry, a Harris' Hawk, a Redtail Hawk or a Goshawk?
Comment down below your opinions, we'd love to know!
We hope you enjoy and thank you again to Tommy, Kyle and Carl for helping us with this video!
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@Toothandtalon
@Toothandtalon 3 жыл бұрын
I am so glad I can do wild caught birds here in the US. it's incredible to trap train and release a bid. It also makes it a lot more affordable to start and easier to move to new birds to gain more experience in a shorter amount of time.
@krypticgaming9071
@krypticgaming9071 2 жыл бұрын
How do you catch them
@solventtrapdotcom6676
@solventtrapdotcom6676 2 жыл бұрын
@@krypticgaming9071 T-shirt cannon full of ground beef.
@BasecampSouthDowns
@BasecampSouthDowns 3 жыл бұрын
Another fascinating video , great to hear from the falconers of their views , really added a broad perspective. Always look forward to watching and listening too you when I see a notification pop up... Once again thank you .. From.a newbie MHH determined not to be a dabbler and out 6 days a week ... 👍
@David-cx4wy
@David-cx4wy 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative video Dave thank you. Love the fact that you mention personality of the human/individual to match the birds characteristics or habits. what's right for you is not the same as what's right for someone else.
@johnabbott4424
@johnabbott4424 3 жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure to watch your videos thank you
@jackclarke7584
@jackclarke7584 3 жыл бұрын
really informative..Great watch .. took alot away from this video few people would do good to hear this
@ramsayward6582
@ramsayward6582 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Dave. Thank you.
@matthewlong8569
@matthewlong8569 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, sadly I doubt I'll ever own any of these birds. The toughness of the red tail was particularly interesting as I saw a common buzzard fly right across the front of the van and go full pelt into a scrubby,rough ditch. It emerged straight away and I wondered how it hadn't damaged itself! Made my week seeing it in action, incredibe to see, even in passing.
@owensmith3028
@owensmith3028 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! Very interesting!
@sprk11
@sprk11 2 жыл бұрын
Frank Beebe once said in his books " Every derogatory word in the English language could aptly be used to describe the inner nature of accipiters .They are mean, cunning, sneaky, vicious, devious, sulky , unforgiving, vengeful and malicious. " and on that Frank actually said to me that if I'm lucky they will turn that vengeance on the game and turn that glare on me.
@pfalco3348
@pfalco3348 2 жыл бұрын
Love the videos keep them coming, I am currently researching falconry to get into I feel it is in my blood .
@mickmac7264
@mickmac7264 3 жыл бұрын
Another great vid and very interesting points about choosing the right bird regardless of hunting ability..after seen the Harris, gos and redtails in every aspect I knew the best bird for me was the red tail, a little bit laid back and lazy like myself at times..goshawk too highly strung for me and both of us would probably end up with bad anxiety :D I apply that thinking when adding another amazon parrot to the crew!!.. Again great vid, very informative!
@bradleyhall8866
@bradleyhall8866 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. My two sons aged 13 and 18 have worked hard building their own mews's. Raised their own money to fund mews, equipment, and purchasing birds. Youngest flys a male redtail and older lad a female redtail. It has changed both lads for the better, it is all they think about. They have had a hard first season with mentor being an older chap and hasn't been around as much as hoped, but they learnt so much and are very much looking forward to next season, with lots of ideas on how to take birds forward. Your videos are a great help. Thanks
@TerraHistoria6
@TerraHistoria6 3 жыл бұрын
Best story we’ve heard today!
@MrRokentin
@MrRokentin 3 жыл бұрын
Muy buen vídeo, me dejó claras muchas cosas... Gracias!
@megagatvol
@megagatvol 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant advice..Thank You..
@brunaghot
@brunaghot Жыл бұрын
I just wanted to know more about Harris hawks as there is a group living on top of my building. But this was fascinating, thanks for the information!
@gabbsdad
@gabbsdad Жыл бұрын
Love to have a go at falconry. Thanks for the videos 👍
@bruceadams8123
@bruceadams8123 2 жыл бұрын
Great video sir. Thank you.
@gavincole2659
@gavincole2659 2 жыл бұрын
This was mint, very interesting.
@limpishappyanimals1910
@limpishappyanimals1910 3 жыл бұрын
Good video👍👍👍
@ornithologydude8649
@ornithologydude8649 3 жыл бұрын
Great!
@Sprachlos
@Sprachlos 6 ай бұрын
Wirklich ein tolles Video. Die liebe zu den Vögeln ist ihnen anzusehen. Such ihr Sohn und dessen Freund sind mit viel Liebe bei der Falknerei. Ich werde deinen Kanal abonnieren. Vielen Dank
@gregoryh4601
@gregoryh4601 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sir for the info, but in USA we have to start with Redtail Hawks or the Small Common Kestrel as our Apprentice Bird of Prey. Where I live we have Ducks,Cotton Tail Rabbits and Pheasant to Hunt. I do agree no Squirrel hunt for my Hawk. So I have to Start with a Hawk plus we have to Take a 100 Questions Test on Falconry and Score a 80%. Well thanks again
@Toothandtalon
@Toothandtalon 3 жыл бұрын
also I happen to have an amazing red tailed hawk this year. I can get her to hunt all day
@ar8590
@ar8590 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to start doing falconry while in college?
@KingGiganTitanusROARKing
@KingGiganTitanusROARKing 3 жыл бұрын
A R I wonder this too but I doubt it; such a time and money commitment
@pakfloormaintenance.6428
@pakfloormaintenance.6428 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@jantirpak7902
@jantirpak7902 3 жыл бұрын
Hi everyone, although the haris hawk is easier for daily training than the goshawk or red tail hawk and many falconers say it is for beginners. I'm not convinced of that. Because haris hawk has been living for 20 years and no one is a beginner for 20 years. Therefore, it is good to start with birds of prey, which we like, but the trainer must have experience with this kind of.
@waynekieft4952
@waynekieft4952 7 ай бұрын
Can you explain please,your Comment does not make any sense whatsoever!!!
@jantirpak7902
@jantirpak7902 7 ай бұрын
@@waynekieft4952 If you decide on haris hawk, it's fine. But not because it is for beginners. Because after a few years you will already have experience with falconry, weight control and you will not be a "beginner". Then what about haris hawk? Therefore, start with the bird that you prefer and you also have the opportunity to hunt with it. So after training it, you will enjoy hunting for a long time. And you don't change the bird just because you're already experienced. Merry Christmas.
@waynekieft4952
@waynekieft4952 7 ай бұрын
@jantirpak7902 Disagree! For instance, I wouldn't give a beginner a Goshawk as a first bird!!!For alot of reasons!! i've witnessed many a good falconer loosing their hair and going bald whilst hunting with a Gos ,especially for the first couple of years! There will always be certain birds that are better for the beginner and that's a fact! Anyway hope you have a great Christmas and a great 2024
@jantirpak7902
@jantirpak7902 7 ай бұрын
@@waynekieft4952 Good day. You are absolutely right, there are situations where gos is problematic. I would definitely not recommend gos imprint to a falconer without experience. It's about following the principles of training. But if the beginner has a master falconer with experience with gos. This way he will avoid a lot of problems and the gos will make him happy for many years. But if someone prefers haris hawk then let him get it. If falco tinunculus then again his. I certainly do not recommend a golden eagle or a gyrfalcon to a beginner. They are raptors that remember individual mistakes of the falconer for a very long time. And then there is a huge problem. You may not agree with me, which is understandable, but if someone likes a species of predator. Then let him do what he loves. He will perform the glassmaking with more love. How should he have a predator he doesn't prefer and keep dreaming about another predator. From the bottom of my heart, I wish you beautiful falconry experiences
@freebirdofreason1994
@freebirdofreason1994 3 жыл бұрын
As usual top information, lovely to hear from your interviewed falconers, and fascinating to hear about the raising of the HHs , sounds like a very rare way to bring on HH I humbly say I can count on one hand the times iv not hunted my HH since it flew free this season I think 3 times, even when iv caught and fed up the next day we fly for light feed. Of course I’m lucky to be free to do this. I think my HH is a 2000 cortina very nice car, we are coming to the end of our first season as a new late starter austringer , I have no intention of giving up on this impressive hawk. I have a rescue Patterdale terrier that comes out working with us now , flushing well , we have a full freezer for the moult. Thanks again , a very nice respectful sincere channel, top work.
@TerraHistoria6
@TerraHistoria6 3 жыл бұрын
You can’t knock a Patterdale!
@darrenscott2496
@darrenscott2496 3 жыл бұрын
Its 100% right it's on your emotions I've flown all 3 an the harris hawk for me is the best bird but is 100% what you put into them each have there different quality. Goshawk fantastic speed but temperament to go with it. Redtail thug of the bop world but not much brains to go with it. Harris not the speed of a gos nor the power of a redtail but really makes up for both these in intelligence pleasure to fly a seriously thinking bout getting myself another😍
@Tt-zl7fh
@Tt-zl7fh Жыл бұрын
What's the best bird for someone with no experience and what's best way of getting started
@watermelonFlight
@watermelonFlight 2 жыл бұрын
im from indonesia in asia.... out of the tree spesies i really want a haris hawk.... it would be a dream if haris was here
@reesfleming4247
@reesfleming4247 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is probably the most common question that goes unanswered. with regards to novices
@gayanrangana3370
@gayanrangana3370 2 жыл бұрын
After catching a big hawk What to do to tame first 🙏
@shaneshac
@shaneshac 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Could you let me know who bred your dark coloured Red Tail?
@TerraHistoria6
@TerraHistoria6 3 жыл бұрын
It was imported from Belgium but a guy in the UK, Wayne Margereson also breeds them!
@shaneshac
@shaneshac 3 жыл бұрын
@@TerraHistoria6 thanks. I know about Waynes cracking birds. Problem is transportation to Spain is quite expensive.
@minichamp9805
@minichamp9805 3 жыл бұрын
Hi great content XD if you could please help me out. what would you hunt with a common buzzard buteo buteo? (ranging from the smallest to the biggest game you can take with it) thanks
@TerraHistoria6
@TerraHistoria6 3 жыл бұрын
With an AWFUL LOT of time and effort, I’ve known a friend to catch moorhen and small rabbits regularly
@minichamp9805
@minichamp9805 3 жыл бұрын
@@TerraHistoria6 thanks for your help and time
@Astronurd
@Astronurd 2 жыл бұрын
Golden Eagle is my favorite hunting BOP
@packo482
@packo482 3 жыл бұрын
Which raptor/owl would you recommend for someone in a city like London?
@TerraHistoria6
@TerraHistoria6 3 жыл бұрын
To be honest, unless you have permission relatively locally to fly a BOP in blocks of countryside I really wouldn’t recommend keeping any BOPS really
@ploppysonofploppy6066
@ploppysonofploppy6066 3 жыл бұрын
£900 in 1990 is equivalent to £2000 now. Can we be sure the supply/demand law hasn't reduced costs?
@leedawson8925
@leedawson8925 2 жыл бұрын
I personally don’t bother with red tails They to me are in between hh and gos. For me it’s either gos or hh depending on what type of season Iam going to have and if I’ll be with friends flying.
@The-ir1vj
@The-ir1vj Жыл бұрын
Interesting, with many good insights, but just one thing niggled me. As I work in healthcare 46 hours a week (4 x 12 hour shifts), I cant take my hawk hunting 5 days a week so according to you I'm a "dabbler". I kind of resent being labelled like that.
@petercaldwell-barr220
@petercaldwell-barr220 Жыл бұрын
If you have a good excuse for not being able to fly your hawk 5 days a week, why take offence? "If the cap fits wear it" my mother used to say.
@jantirpak7902
@jantirpak7902 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, I'm flying with goshawks. I also flew with a male haris hawk. I'm not saying that a haris or goshawk is better than the other, but I personally like the huge speed of goshawks. According to measurements, it is up to 195 km / h. during horizontal active flight. I saw a wild female goshawk catching a carrier pigeon at 200 m. The pigeon flew and the goshawk took off from a tree. The pigeon had an advance of 5 m. After 200 m, the goshawk caught him. Not an attack from behind an obstacle but a horizontal fast flight. Weight management is more complicated for goshawks. Therefore, the exact weight and daily notes.
@Semendrija123
@Semendrija123 3 жыл бұрын
Goshawk is certainly the fastest of the three, but you have probably mixed something up, because there is no bird on earth that can fly 195 km/h in horizontal active flight! I have very fast goshawks, faster than average, and their top speed in level flight without the help of the wind is on average around 70 km/h, and going little over 80 km/h in some instances. The only bird of prey that I have measured above 100 km/h were my peregrine falcons, and I do all measurements with Marshall GPS, strictly leveled with no downward angle and taking the wind speed in to account!
@jantirpak7902
@jantirpak7902 3 жыл бұрын
@@Semendrija123 Surely you are right if you are measuring speed I heard it on the internet (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pruPnpOrvtyom2w.html at 1:46 min.) And that may not be true. I am a falconer and also a breeder of carrier pigeons for the race. I saw a goshawk catch a carrier pigeon. The carrier pigeon flies 100 - 120 km / h. The wild goshawk took off from a tree and the pigeon flew to the birdhouse. Goshawk had a loss of 4 m, but after 120 m he caught a pigeon. That's why I think he flew faster than a carrier pigeon racer. Have a nice day and many falconry experiences.
@Semendrija123
@Semendrija123 3 жыл бұрын
@@jantirpak7902 thanks! Those internet videos are just for fun and they have little scientific value, but wild goshawks are faster than falconry goshawks, and I’m pretty sure they can fly in the region of 100 km/h on shorter distances. There are no accurate speed measurements for the racing pigeons other than the time they need to travel certain distance, but the wind is determining factor, and also the height at which the birds fly because the wind speed is exponentially increasing with the height increase, and the real speed at which the pigeons can fly is not known. But I have little doubt that good racing pigeons can fly 100 km/h or even more! I have female peregrines that can fly 119 km/h in no wind conditions close to the ground, but if they had tail wind of about 30 km/h the GPS would show almost 150 km/h, and if they had head wind, the GPS would show around 90 km/h. There are also falcon-pigeon competitions in the Middle East, and in level flight the peregrines are usually faster than pigeons, but pigeons are trying to out climb and out maneuver the falcon, and in most cases they succeed 😉 All the best my friend, cheers 🍻
@daveyboy6985
@daveyboy6985 7 ай бұрын
@@Semendrija123 is the Goshawk much faster at accelerating up to top speed than a peregrine?
@Semendrija123
@Semendrija123 7 ай бұрын
@@daveyboy6985 yes, especially initial acceleration. I have measured my female going from 0-70 km/h in just 1,3 seconds. This is simply not possible for the peregrine, but past that initial acceleration and the peregrine is taking over with the speed. Two of my falconer colleagues had a misfortune two release by accident both, the goshawk and the falcon at the same prey. Of the fist the goshawk had advantage in the first 50 meters, and by the hundred or so meters, the falcon overtook the goshawk and grabbed it by the head. Unfortunately the goshawk didn't make it. On the other hand, in flight acceleration is impressive with the peregrine. The peregrine can cruise at moderate speed, and the moment the prey is flushed, peregrine can accelerate at incredible pace, even faster than goshawk!
@georgeblanco436
@georgeblanco436 3 жыл бұрын
Doing this for over 30 years. I have flown hybrids accipiter Harris and RT.Most early taken passage RT are faster and better than most captive raised Harris or gos on fur . We have exceptions but most of the time early passage RT become excellent. The key is to fly them at least 4 times a week. They may not look it but they are like hawk/eagles they have huge thrust. The bigger birds are usually faster . If you fly falcons in America you know this first hand as we all have had eagles fly our falcons out of the sky! If you are questioning this try flying with gps and see for yourself.female peregrines are faster than males . It’s the hummingbird affect . Harris hawks are absolutely the easiest and the most dog like without exceptions.look at marks falconry what this guy is doing with a furry RT hybrid. No Harris or gos can do that .Harris are better at car hawking and for beginners into the sport or weekend only falconer.also look up on you tube game hawking the RT the boys in Cali are good .look up rough draft redtail section on you tube.
@Semendrija123
@Semendrija123 3 жыл бұрын
As a rule, I don't agree that the bigger birds of prey are faster, but I do agree that on average the female of the same species are generally faster. But as it happens, I have a peregrine male that is on a smaller side (525 grams hunting weight), that is faster than any female I have seen! That little falcon is coming to the lure in a strait line few inches above the ground at speeds over 100 km/h in no wind conditions, and he is doing that after only 4 training days and the break of one year from flying! He is also able to go close to 200 km/h in a dive from a very low pitch of only 160 meters. No eagle, RT, HH, or goshawk I have seen, or measured the speed can even come close to that level of performance under the same conditions, and if we compare the passage RT with the passage Goshawk, there is no contest, the Goshawk will leave the RT in a dust! I have measured my female Goshawk acceleration from 0-70 km/h, and she did it in 1,3 sec and traveled only 25 meters in the process. And the funny thing, she did that on her second hunting day after a break of one year from flying! If we talk about pure performance, and success in hunting the fur and feathers, the Goshawk is far ahead of the RT and HH, and it is the most versatile bird of prey.
@leedawson8925
@leedawson8925 2 жыл бұрын
Each falconer needs a certain bird for what ever land they have to fly, and if they want to hunt alone or with friends. So if a person is saying certain bird is better than the rest, they are not really thinking it through
@flamingrapz2575
@flamingrapz2575 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, i absolutely love your videos and falconry. But the problem is that falconry is illegal in my country. And i'm still looking for a solution to that, although there doesn't seem to be one. I'm ready to study, and work hard and become a falconer. Could you please help me with some advice? Love from India.
@TerraHistoria6
@TerraHistoria6 3 жыл бұрын
It may be worth asking more advice on the ‘falconry hub’ Facebook group as it has members from all over the world!
@flamingrapz2575
@flamingrapz2575 3 жыл бұрын
@@TerraHistoria6 thank you very much!
@jantirpak7902
@jantirpak7902 3 жыл бұрын
Flaming Rapz, if I can advise you, contact the IAF have their site. There, someone could advise you or put in touch with a falconer (if not India then maybe Pakistan.) Since falconry is listed in UNESCO as a cultural heritage of all mankind. I suppose it can be solved somehow. Probably with this registration in UNESCO, you could go to your offices to give you consent to keep a predator for falconry purposes. (There are Indian hoods on birds of prey, so I guess in India, there was sometimes falconry) In all countries, falconry is a form of hunting, see these regulations in your country. (If it's not forbidden there? Then it is allowed) All countries are allowed to keep protected animals under certain conditions and this is one of the possible ways. I do not know whether India has ratified the CITES international convention.
@flamingrapz2575
@flamingrapz2575 3 жыл бұрын
@@jantirpak7902 thank you so much!
@paul3155
@paul3155 Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel I remember when Harris hawks were about £800 for a male but you had blue paper work with them but I reckon they were a different hawk than the one you get today they look more like a chicken now a days brown and dead fluffy where Harris hawks years ago were more black to look at and Warter ran off them and best way of training a Harris hawk is on a loower than training it the easy way like a red tail buzzard ones a hawk and one buzzard Harris hawks trained on a loower much better hunting hawk 👍
@Geethreeohm
@Geethreeohm 2 жыл бұрын
Redtail all day or a gos
@anthonyrooksmith3189
@anthonyrooksmith3189 21 күн бұрын
All three are great birds but I would say the harris and red tail are easier to train and keep. Goshawks can be unpredictable, nutty amd very skittish, personally I think goshawks should be for those with a good level of experience not a basic level. I would say goshawks are definitely not a beginners bird.
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