A video about non chaos aligned warp entities and magic would be pretty cool ngl

What if horus won the heresy

You want to talk about heresy? What if we genderbend every Primarch. And after that, which female primarch would you choose to be apart of?

@@csmrookie9600 that sounds good as well but I want to see what will happen if huros won the heresy

So Kroks were 12 meters tall? That’s nuts. That would equal the stated height of an Imperial Knight.

Never really hear about loyal MoI.

@@thehermitman822 because they got their version of Mt. Ararat

@@thehermitman822 one famed man of iron that sided with humanity was a simple lab assistant created to be a surrogate son to his creator. Originally named Rock, had a hand that could turn into a gun, and could integrate the technology of other men of iron he defeated

Was gonna say exactly that

@@Liethen sounds like a badass.

.......... What type of stuff did they destroye, if that device is "tame"?

@@brok56 The Silent King destroyed so many Necron techs after the conclusion of War In Heaven, one of them was a weapon strong enough to shatter gods into shards

@@brok56 that's the beauty of not going too deep into old events, it leaves a lot to the imagination

"This is a perfect map of the galaxy and all of it's inhabitants! This things affects on logistical, communications, and reconnaissance would be profound." "If you touch a star on the map the star dies in real life." "... I was dead ass about to poke terra before you said that."

@@chiuvittm Much like your dating history, captain General Kitten.

It took trillions of incredibly powerful warp sensitive Aeldari murder-fucking each other for thousands and thousands of years to create one Chaos God. The War in Heaven created THREE.

I... Suddenly feel small, and i dont know how to feel about that. -cyclops The nerd

The war that was so terrible it changed the nature of the warp.

@@ernimuja6991 Or the Warp was always like that. Time is a strange thing in the Realm of Souls

@@indrickboreale7381 I mean, so much died during the war of the heaven, it makes the current grim dark look like mickey mouse fun house land. So yeah, they most definitely affected the warp, let alone the fact that every race was using the warp as pure weapons.

Thanks, I was wondering what story he was talking about

Sounds like a bitchin' story. Also a cool way to explore things outside of the Milky Way, if GW ever wants to look at the nearby corners of the Universe.

@@justinweber4977 I would kill to see Malcador's origin during the Dark Age of Technology and the Emperor being a big time yet low key mover and shaker during a time when Mankind had Tech to fulfill their wildest dreams

You are a hero

U4 story is also very cool as it shows the imperium like always has a twisted view of the cybernetic rebllion. it seems humanity did what humanity does made AI then the majority of mankind treated them like trash until they revolted in rage and hate just as much humanity treated them. with the ai who were treated as equals never turning on there fellow humans the VOTANN show this most of all with the gearkin who are pretty obviously descedants of the men of iron yet they were treated as equals so never turned on there organic kin unlike the swears and promises otherwise from the imperium. imagine how better of warhammer would be if the cybernetic revolt never happend mankind would have easy access to all its grand technology even if the age of strife still arrived science would of still been the previling idea perhaps the confederation of mankind never would have even fell.

That's a bit scary

Emperor of Mankind swinging his fiery sword: "Calculate this!"

@@DzinkyDzink "Riddle me this, Diviner!"

Well he's just one skelly boi, Orikan being ignored by the overlords is a bit of a theme in the book ahah

What Orikan foresaw, other Necrons chose to ignore. To be fair though, even Orikan didn't really perceive humanity as a threat either loll. The real question is... were they wrong? Are we a threat to our Immortal Necrolords?

Meanwhile it took Abby a united black legion, several black crusades and sacrificing a Blackstone fortress

Accidentally spilling their morning Hot cup of oil.

It's like when SpongeBob trips with the exploding pie.

Silent King: "Wait, why did the star in this system look brighter than usual???"

@@user-iy7jo7bq4f Outer Wilds music intensifies

I want to know the power of Krork waaagh energy.

That's basically what they were too.

It's easier to shoot through a skull than through inches of armor

@@bobjohnson1633 Kroarks had power armor, and their skulls were probably thicker than Astartes battleplate. Plus, Orks (not Kroarks, just Orks) have crazy stupid high regeneration abilities. Ghazghull literally had half his brain blown out and it made him stronger AND smarter. Take that, and project what it would take to put a Kroark down.

@@davidblair9877 and you have to Consider how OP of Necron, Aeldari and Other Races during war in Heaven Weapons, Imagine another Surviving Race During the War in heaven and still have the Tech, it would be far more Scary than the Golden Age of humanity

So true.

This dude aint giving up

you arnt gving up are you

Non-chaos warp entities and non-chaos traitors are neet

ayy you won bro good shit

Weren't they backed up by the C'taan for their tech tho. I'm new to the lore but that was kinda what I understood

They got "given" a lot of their tech by the ctan as far as i'm aware, so kind of the same thing.

I do wonder how they magically knew how to invent wondrous technologies after only recently waking up from being non-sentient celestial fart gass for time immemorial though.

Knowledge of everything from the warp suppressing pylons to necrodermis they dawn were given to them by the C'tan.

They were incredibly advanced in regards to tech way before they met the C'tan. AND they managed to build the C'tan living metal vessels to inhabit, so that living metal tech was there before.

Imagine a planet sized craftworld of the aeldari. A group of elves Who maintained their martial prowess and op as hell technology, suddenly emerge from somewhere (time travel, webway, i dont know. Come up with something).

Not that hard of a task to accomplish, when you bomb a ork/krok planet from orbit, it denies them a good krumping so weakens them

Nah majorkill is doing the Krorks dirty on this one. He didn’t to mention the enslaver plague decimated the galaxy in the interim between the end of the WIH and the Aeldari rise. The Krorks and were the only major psyker species to remain in the galaxy through it. The Aeldar hid in the webway and only came out after it passed to pick up the scraps and act all superior.

@@derargent4692 a good krumping xD i like that

I’m pretty sure the Krorks fought each other a lot and made themselves easy prey for the Prime Eldar.

It's also possible that the Eldar just didn't care enough to risk the hardships of a major war. Just make it clear that their worlds are off-limits and have a chuckle at what those simpletons consider to be an empire.

The Eldar also had access to unmanned wraithbone-construct soldiers. Since Vaul was still alive at this point, I'm willing to bet they were way better than the Wraithguard of modern 40k. For all we know, the Eldar could have stopped their acid fap long enough to get Vaul to spawn a trillion wraithbone soldiers, just to rub into our faces how much better they are at creating AI than us stupid monk-keigh... and then they all go back and resume the orgy.

The eldar had no want to war with humanity. At all. They saw humanity as a nice pest control for the krork and other frustrating xenos buzzing around, and the eldar were (and still are) largely peaceful and will avoid bloodshed whenever possible unless they seem it necessary to save themselves. So it isn't at all accurate that they didn't invade due to the men of iron being too tough. They didn't invade because there was literally less than zero even remotely good reason to do so. Why would you risk losing billions of your immortal kin in a war that gains nothing

@@titaniumwolf1123 Or more realistlically they just fought the largest war in the history of the setting and didn't really want to commit to something even remotely on scale of martialling their forces. Lets be real if they wanted to get involved the men of iron would not be a issue to them.

@@titaniumwolf1123 I'm not seeing your angle. When you're dealing with a congenitaly arrogant race, they don't think like that. They see Humans as being pests, not as the pest control. At best, they see Humanity as being slave stock. A war against us to either exterminate us, or enslave us, would have been completely justified in their eyes. These are the people that were so arrogant, they thought they were better than the people that created them, so I don't know why you think that they would spare a second thought about attacking Human Civilization with the intent to destroy. These are the same sickos responsible for the creation of Slaanesh.

But didn't Eldar made a peace pact with humanity?

@@silenthermit4637 this

@@silenthermit4637 no. The background said the humans formed non aggression pacts with some aliens. But they didn't specify Eldar. Unless that's been retconned in the last few years. And the eldar were too busy having an orgy to care about humanity. They wouldn't have been going to treaty meetings or anything. Their army was entirely automated, so no need for anyone to be present. Remember that commoragh has several stars trapped inside it by pre fall Eldar for the lols. The Eldar had 60 million years of tech advances. They didn't need to be concerned about humanity.

Well, Tau haven't reached their peak yet. And pretty much any faction can unmake them still.

@@dimr1088 But let's be honest, they won't. GW doesn't have the guts to pull another squats incident.

yes, the Reality Engine in Fist of Demetrius

Not really though. These "God killing weapons" were in fact their own Gods or weapons built by the knowledge bestowed by their Gods.

Its possible there are many galaxies out there just filled with krorks/orks. I dont know where this is from: "Millenia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra, its mission to reach the utmost limit of theu niverse. The techpriests who built it hoped that it would someday return to its place of origin. The probe still sends back faint signalts after 14,000 years adrift. To the utter despair of the Imperial techpriests who monitor the incessant battery of incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be that wherever they travel in space, there's a good chance that the Orks will either have been there first or won't be long in arriving." And of course its possible that nid fleets have nommed entire galaxies already

And with the Necrontyr, they pretty much created their own gods.

@@brandonlyon730 They didn't create anything. The C'tan predate the Galaxy. The C'tan shards are just spoils of war the C'tan fought with themselves.

@lunatic is baked Sure but before they were just parasitic gases feeding on stars energy. The Necrontyr were the ones to make those gases into gods.

god why that was so cringe -

I think the outcome would be mostly the same. If not worse. The Salamanders for example would be crushed due to their constantly low numbers. The dark angels would probobly face similar losses. The Alpha Legion or nightlords might have better odds, because they'd have better chances to detect the skaven. I think every single other legion would do okay, but not as well as the ultra boys, mostly cause the ultra boys had the most marines in their legion and used mixed tactics warfare. The other legions are either too small or would be limited by their focused styles of war TL:DR Alpha legion stands the best chance cause they stand a chance to convert parts of the empire and detect the skaven.

Humanity vs Tau is basically a backwards Halo.

@@sethleoric2598 Kinda? The Imperium isn't actively trying to completely wipe them out last I checked.

Everyone is the bad guy.

Keep on fighting brother

We're behind you, keep going!

and yet the imperium proceeds to conqueror such races during the crusade...funny that

Probably applies best when we're talking about civilizations at roughly the same ballpark when it comes to advancement/tech. If one of those is more bloodthirsty, that would probably be an edge. Most “warlike” civilizations IRL like the Spartans were incredibly backward when it came to advancement compared to their rivals. However, they were full-time soldiers in a time when most men were part-time soldiers. They were pretty good, since their enemies weren't that much ahead in terms of tech. Contrast this with the Romans versus everyone else. The British Empire, the United States at its height, etc.

@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist romans had the bonus of being next to the greeks

@@sephiroaone-of-nine101 Yep. Greco-Roman might be a good way of describing many parts of their culture honestly. They adopted anything useful they could find from the Greeks. The best kind of cultural exchange is the kind where you can borrow the other guy's weapons tech for further refinement. Just ask the Europeans and the Chinese.

​@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist 100% agreed. And then consider that the Peloponnesian war was basically a very long and drawn-out stalemate, as the Spartans reigned supreme in land battles, and Athens did at sea. It definitely wasn't a 'steamrolling' of the Athenians by the martial prowess of Sparta.

may i interest you in the orks? where technology is magic

@@zackfieger3981 Yup. They are my second favourites. I love ork bois and their waaagh. They are fun loving mass murdering gangstas.

@@zackfieger3981 I want to hear about what smart waaagh energy can do compared to dumb waaagh energy. I do wonder if loss of size, strength, & mental aptitude is counterbalanced with magic thru stupidity or if Krorks had even more powerful magic due to actually understanding their abilities?

How about technomagic?

@@Fly-the-Light Care to elaborate ?

Wih doesnt have SPEEEES MAREEENS so GW prob thinks it wouldnt sell xD

yeah, it would be pretty much impossible to properly put into the tabletop

I think lorewise they're heading towards a War in Heaven 2. The Lion is coming. I wouldn't be surprised a Krork is born or found.

​​@@rustsamurai6826you are comparing one krork with BILLIONS so its not even close to the war un heaven

I like the idea that only they had the off switch or at least the waaagh governor.

I’ve Heard theories that the surviving exiled Old Ones might’ve created the Tyranids for the express purpose of revenge and cleansing the galaxy to start from scratch.

@@brandonlyon730 It's a good theory, if one considers the current 40K setting to be fucked beyond repair. I could see the Old Ones having waited as long as could be considered reasonable before deploying the Galactic Equivalent of an Exterminatus to try and pacify the warp and hopefully recreate the galaxy in a better condition. Or... The surviving Old Ones need to reclaim THIS galaxy because they'd be the bottom rung in any of the other galaxies in the local cluster. ...now there's a thought!

@@justinweber4977 Don't spook me like that.

@@brandonlyon730 That's stupid, why would they create something that is hard counted by the Necrons?

Technically they have the tech to do so since they can separate the sea of souls from real space by force so eventhough the eye of terror is a litteral gate to the sea of souls since its the place were both overlap the Necrons got the tech

No he wouldnt. He'd be a god level being.

I heard someone quote some necron saying the emperor is "the single greatest weapon ever created" but I have no clue as to the veracity of the claim.

@@zyxyx6754 Yea I wouldnt be surprised if he could solo any Ctan or Eldar god or Chaos God. But he is alone and they are not But then again he got mortally wounded by Horus, a mere primarch

@@rykehuss3435 a primarch high on chaos roids who was allowed free hits, that being said the power level is all over the place, if the plot demands it the Emperor will act like an idiot or a daemon primarch will be punked by a normal space marine so it would not surprise me if one story sends Big E to the past for him to start wrecking literal space gods there and then return just in time to be crippled by Horus.

@@zyxyx6754 Before they changed the canon to the C'tan being shards, he did solo the Void Dragon, now it is just a shard(I think the largest) and that was before the Emperor went to Molech to make a deal with chaos.

You could say the same thing about the Necrons, the Old Ones, the Eldar and the Kroaks. Humanity is just too weak and the only reason they win now and the Emperor is a god, even though by their own logic, he isn't even on the level of the Chaos Gods, is because from what I can gather, the space marines merch sells the best. So basically, One Piece level of scaling.

Necrons weren’t awake during humanity dark age, the orks probably weren’t kroks at this point either since the Eldar did most of the work. Eldar point I’m fine with. But it could be sort of like the tau situation, where they don’t really notice humanity until they become a thorn, then don’t care about that thorn until it becomes something worse.

Being highly adaptable means ability to avoid conflict most of all

@@Asraeks Avoid conflict? In 40k? Mouahahahaha :P

@@cttommy73 they didn't need the emperor in the past. If they returned to the ways of reasonable science and progress with religious freedom,..a balanced society. Then they didn't need any fanatic emperor worship at all to keep the evils at bay. They were okay on their own. That's the point of 40k. It's not to promote stupidity and brainless for the emperorness.. Humanity would be better off, if not for the emperor's hubris. Many empires the Imperium eliminated were better.

I mean humanity in the golden age were so powerful the Orks and Eldar had non aggression pacts with them. When you are so powerful the Orks make peace with you, you are a true badass.

Nah. No way Humanity could have gone toe to toe with Krorks. If the Krorks still existed when Humanity was expanding then Humanity would have gotten clapped. Golden Age or not. Much more likely that the Krorks had already devolved into regular krumping Orks by the time humanity arrived.

@@lemoncoatedcenturion8297 I dunno, if forced to build for war I rekon humanity could have done very well. I mean terminator armour was originally for construction work or something like that. If you make something that can be used as amazing armour for your workers you have some amazing capabilities.

@@lemoncoatedcenturion8297 My headcannon is that the Eldar weakened them enough to teach them a lesson, so they were much, much stronger than normal orks but not krorks. They were probably a bit higher than war of the beast era orks.

Another such technology left from the Dark Age included things that could multiply a psyker's powers exponentially, materials that not only nullified psychic powers in their vicinity, but was agonizing for psykers to simply be near, called Phase Iron, self replicating nanite swarms that could scour entire solar systems in hours, siege weapons that bite chunks into planets and fling them to be "digested" in the Warp, and that one macguffin from that one episode of Hammer & Bolter that could rapidly repair any kind of physical damage out of literally nothing.

Necrons were power hungry A-holes. I am sure oldones foresaw that they will betray them eventually

They asked for help but they said no. Then the necrontyr waged war. Lost, then came across the C’tan gave them bodies and helped them advance their tech, were tricked and became the necrons and destroyed both the C’tan and old ones.

@@darksider2903 I disagree. If they had helped, the discovery of the C’tan would have been less likely.

@@averageperson5845 necrons asked for secrets of immortality, even demanded it from the oldones. They were cruel ruthless race. Oldones were benevolent beings who wanted to create and nurture life across galaxy. They couldn't just give away secrets of immortality to some warlike race

It's possible that the Old Ones told them that they will fix their bodies, but, they must destroy their super weapons and the Silent Kind refused.

has a nice ring to it don't ya think?

And being immortal and undying, she will promulgate this as a High Lord of Terra in 40k...

@@wolf2965 aged like milk

Organic nano machines that always seek to multiply & unite just enough for the environment/enemy?

if you think about it, the Old ones didn't as much create a civilization, as much as they created an efficient way to grow imperial knight titans using spores and dirt. Gotta admit, any general would like the sound of "Lets cover this planet in spores, and then come back in a few weeks to pick up our new titan legion."

@@blueberry1vom1t "i hear they had a bumper crop of warhounds this year"

I would like to retract this statement

@@thedrew1193 F

😆 lairdass 😆

I think that last sentence is why no one cares, everyone knows it's basically meaningless (like those "businesses" that sell stars and shit) but it's nbd and no one is harmed, so it's just some fun to past the time

Aye, I first saw it about seven or eight years ago. My mates missus bought him a title for a giggle. There are a few companies that do it, some of them actually help restore crumbling castles or plant trees with the money. It’s probably a lot more honest than taking money to promote some bullshit mobile game that you know is pish, to be fair.

I mean, one should only have to take one look at the Octarius sector, and humanity's reaction to it, said reaction being _"oh shit oh fuck oh no i made a mistake dear god oh fuck we're all gonna die we can't handle this i fucked up please lord save us oh shit oh no",_ to get a vague idea of what would happen if the Necrons returned and punched the shit out of the fully engaged hive-swarm. In case that wasn't clear enough yet, *_Humanity would fucking die._* :D

That "Someone" can bloody well try. They ain't touching my mint condition Krork

Considering the war in heaven was millions of years ago, as long as anything of the Old Ones survived, even some single cellular life from their home world (or worlds they formed to be more like it) could evolve into an intelligent species with enough links to be considered a "successor" species. So, their probably are things out there that are "related" to the Old Ones in one fashion or another.

@@justinweber4977 or a continuation species. Aka the same species in the future.

@@justinweber4977 They're called the syrshin or something like it. They're described as reptilian, and hiding from those that enslaved their ancestors millions of years ago..

That's my job

U realised that humanity actually has the most potential out of all factions they could have had smimilar tech to the necrons combined with being able to use the warp and let not forgot the most unique thing that humanity has the blanks

They got help from Eldar if I remember correctly...

I think a bunch of races helped to take the men of iron down.

Probably the same way mass effect 3 ended. Coalition of races, plus superweapon or array of superweapons

Computer viruses. Equally deadly robots without ai.

My guess is the men of iron had preset kill limit, so some brave man sent wave after wave of his own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. I heard he even got a medal for it.

They don't need to go back. They just need to meet Necrons and live to tell the tale.

Like hell. They lost the war in Heaven, and had nothing on the Aeldari Empire at its height.

@@jacobwalsh1888 I mean the Necrons technically accomplished there goal, they killed off/exiled the Old ones from the whole galaxy. Why waste time and resources on there foot soldiers, just take a rest and let them kill each other and weaken themselves. Which they pretty much did, Korks devolved into mindless space barbarians and the Eldar destroyed themselves after murderfucking a Chaos god into existence.

Marcus vance has a video on the subject

@@myduckisonqauck7227 yeah but he uses a 2010 game book And it’s very debated wether he is right but most seem to say he’s wrong Especially when he says normal spartan are faster stronger and have Shields that can stop multiple bolt rounds

@@inquisitormaddox8581 GW has stated on multiple occasions everything in 40k is canon, and that the many writers all have their own versions of 40k. So a 2010 game book is as much a valid source as any. It's not a matter on if he's wrong, it's a matter of if the game book information is consistent on average with every other depiction of space marines.

@@myduckisonqauck7227 alright so That also means that space marines are pretty much gods in comparison to Spartans but also at the same time same as them yeah this is why people think GW is retarded with how they do stuff But yeah the 2010 deathwatch gamebook stats is debated on wether it’s actually good Info

eldar make black holes as a hobby

Yes, but the Necrons got black holes weapons in knight sized mechanisms, blackholes and star destroyer weapons are actually pretty tame for those factions at their peaks

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@@rexlumontad5644 what did tts magus to tts Santo whatever name again the custodians

I agree in principle but the trump card there is that the Necrons had help from literal space gods in the C'tan. While DAOT Humanity could probably have been as strong as the Necrons they wouldn't be as powerful without a C'tan equivalent.

@@dmanagable To be fair its heavily implied that the only reason humanity got that OP tech was due to the Void Dragon's (a C'tan shard) influence

@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS which is a good thing hummanity getting to this level without getting sweet nothings from the big dragon is would be very stupid.

The War in Heaven and the conversion of the Necrontyr into the Necrons was about 60 million years ago. That predates humanity by quite a bit.

@@kaltaron1284 fun theory though.

Didn't think of the timing tbh. I just thought humans weren't limited to Earth. That during our first expansions we were shocked to find other hominids that the old ones had created.

Time f#ckery is a thing in 40k, skipping a few millenia would be nothing

Glorified tin cans. The Aeldari defeated them the first time, and Necron power never reached the peak of Aeldari power. In the end, the only enemy capable of defeating the Aeldari was themselves.

@@jacobwalsh1888 necrons at their max expansion ruled the galaxy and completely destroyed the old ones (you know the creators of the eldar) the eldars even today collectevly shit their pants every time a necron tomb world awakens and most of their effort aside chaos is keeping watch over tomb world inactive sorry pal but the eladar cannot even compare to the necrons. necrons tecnology works and they know why eldar were gisted their tecnology ny the old ones and to this day never bothered improving it even their glorious webway is a old ones relic they didn't build it the necrons on the other side were and still are the most advanced tecnologic race and where able to even create tecnology able to breach and interac with the webay (the dolmen gate) the necrons recongnized that the galaxy was wounded and decide to go into sleep mode to give the galaxy time to recover it was a rational planned strategy not all went according to plan but after 60 milions years they are still here and are a rising power the more tomb world awekens the eldar in all their "mastery of the warp" and future reading ability failed to understand that they were creating a literal chaos god thier downfall was not an ordained one it was a complete destruction of their empire with only fragments surviving after 10.000 years they are still a dying race and every craftworld lost push more near the brink i am a guard player but i have no problem in admitting that of all the warhammer 40k faction the necrons at their heights were on another level in confront with every other civilizaition even today their tecnology is unsurpassed tau and mechanicum play with toys and even dark age of tecnology humanity wasn't on their same level of mastery over time spacial dimension, energy and matter

@@jacobwalsh1888 also the eldar never deafeated durign the war in heavens the necron the necrons and ctan curbstomped any oppositions they made the old ones exinct and they literally steamrolled every young race created as a last ditch effort by the old ones including the eldar and the original orks the necrons were stopped only because they willingly decided to go into hiberation becasue of the enslaver arrival and because their war literally left the galaxy in ruins

I think they paid him

hell yeah dude hyped for the next phase of wh40k