wait that's so heat

I think 25% is more likely

I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a major plot of the game, looking for zygarde cores and cells in order to make zygarde more powerful. Kind of like the path of legends. I do think different forms is not only possible, but probable.

@@ezracohen3859 Those numbers were just examples.

@@johntaylor1189 Yes, especially since the whole game is probably just going to be in a dense city, there are many places to hide the cores, like the wisps to get Spiritomb.

I won't complain for Empoleon to be in anything!

I would rather see it as a prominent trainers ace pokemon then have it as a starter

Yes with a Napoleon hat. Also the soccer rabbit starter suit kalo better than wrestler

​@@emperorcubone Serperior dragon or fairy, Empoleon fight or ice, Cinderace electric or fight

Sees dragon ice and fairy triangle

The problem with the games being set in the past, is that you cannot justify an evolution or Mega for a gen 6 or earlier Pokemon that was in the Kalos dex though, since in-lore, you cannot explain it due to XY not having them. It also says its a redevelopment of Lumiose City (So the city is already there)

​@@nickdentoom1173 It's pretty easy to explain though. Mega Stones are just rare, so the XY protagonist couldn't find one

@@nickdentoom1173 Really isn't that much of an issue. The redevelopment exponentially increased human activity in the area, and it's probably how you'd explain pokémon either being extinct or migrating away. Also, the renovation of Paris was also a redevelopment. Paris was there too. It's a perfect match of time framing and ecological change in the region due to the industrial revolution. The only real thing that might throw that idea under the bus is that the trailer heavily features lights and holograms, as opposed to Arceus' ink and paper. As far as we know Z-A might be a sequel and not a prequel.

Specifically in between 1853 and 1870

It is good to note that from the looks of things, people and pokemon are living decently happily amongst eachother, so one or two decades of a time skip is probably likely

Confirmed from what? The 30 second trailer we got?

@@BlindJedi Its literally confirmed on the website that the game is set entirely in Lumiose City.

​@@nickdentoom1173thats probably talking more about the story since pokemon catching is a big part of the franchise I do have faith they'll surprise us with how the pokemon catching works though, even if it is entirely in the city

Will likely see some Megas too

That is what I loved about Arceus all the forms from the past that shows how they were originally and how they adapted

I'm MORE anticipating new Evolutions because Kleavor, Basculegion, etc. were the most unexpected part of Legends Arceus for me!

@@emperorcubone me too

@@emperorcubone those are great too

Well... i think they will all be in, since all of them are found in XY. Wouldn't it be extremely funny if people speculate about the starters, but Pansage/Pansear/Panpour are the starters for Legends Z-A instead... i would actually not be against that.

​@@nickdentoom1173simisear is the least popular pokemon of all time, not even joking. A poll was held over multiple countries. Unless those monkies get a 3rd stage it would be the worst decision gamefreak can make.

If my theory of ZA using most of x and y’s Pokédex like legends arceus is correct, it is likely that we will be seeing the elemental monkeys and the patrat line in ZA

This is quite true; we never know what to expect.

I'm still not over the new professors not having tree names

Redemption after all these years!

they won't

​@@terrysyvertson9205 but they could

I can't deny that sounds super fun! But are there any buildings tall enough besides Prism Tower?

Believe me, I'm just as shocked as you!

I despise how believable this sounds...

This is true too! Did wonders for Dusclops, Chansey, Gligar, etc...

I mean, that didn't stop Duraludon getting an Evolution and not looking at the typings, technically Scyther outclasses its evolutions with eviolite.

No

"What have we done?"

Agreed.

I wouldn’t call it an established rule if it was never concrete from the get go. I quite like the precedent that they set with Hisuian Sneasel & Sneasler, showing that even native Pokémon can go through changes. I do wish we got an answer of whether Hisuian Sneasel adapted into the modern ones, or if they were driven to extinction by Johtonian Sneasel migrating from Johto and/or via space time distortions, but I don’t mind it being left up to interpretation.

It would make more sense for this Legends game to use other pokemon than just the Kalos dex than it does for L:A. Arceus was about exploring a wild and untamed region, where human influence hasn't done much to alter the Pokemon population. With L:Z, it looks like it's taking place entirely in a city, a manmade environment where non native Pokemon would have a much greater chance of being introduced by the people there.

@@lostfelinepiesh6917 I’m just saying it’s harder to plan what Pokemon are on the table for variants because it can basically be any Pokemon. It can be a Pokemon like Bagon who was in Kalos or a Pokemon like Litleo that was from Kalos. If Sneasler didn’t exist we would have a much different starting point to theorize from

@@MicoDossun I actually like that aspect of it. I generally try to avoid major leaks since for me it takes all the joy of discovery out of a game. If it was just the Kalos dex for instance there's so few fully evolved Pokemon that with such a span of time until the game's release, we'd all have seen so many concepts of what their "new forms" would be it wouldn't be as exciting when we got the real ones. Opening it up to other lines gives some wiggle room and we could see totally out of left field picks.

It doesn't even look like it, its flat out confirmed the game is set entirely in Lumiose City. For forms, the games being set in the past is fine. However, the games being set in the past is a problem for Mega Evolution being given to past Pokemon/Pokemon that appear in the Kalos Dex, since in-lore, they cannot explain why they weren't in XY. So in terms of Mega's, the games basically have to be set in the future, where they can explain that the new Mega's in Legends Z-A are recent discoveries, same for the forms. They can even make it so that some Pokemon adapted to live in a city rather than in the wild, even those who were in XY. I love the Litleo example in terms of forms, because looking at the trailer again, i can say with certainty the Kalos Pokemon that don't get new forms are Litleo line, Fletchling line, Skiddo line, Pancham line, Espurr line, Honedge line, Skrelp line (Which imo also confirms Clauncher line not getting anything since they are counterparts), Noibat line. They were all in the trailer. Klefki and Hawlucha were in the trailer as well, but considering they are stand-alones, there still is a possibility for them to get a new evolution (Although i find it extremely unlikely for Klefki, but also for Hawlucha, especially looking at its popularity). Furfrou and Flabebe lines are there as well and while they might not get new evolutions, they might get new forms/trims (Especially for Furfrou that seems likely, since the trailer showed us different Furfrou with different trims, so they might throw in new ones). Other potential Kalos mons that are somewhat problematic are the Pumpkaboo and Phantump lines, the Aromatisse and Slurpuff lines, since they are trade evo's and they don't tend to get new evolutions and i don't think they will get new forms either. Another potential problematic one in terms of a new evolution is the Helioptile line (Since it evolves with a stone and those tend to be the last of their lines), however, i can see Helioptile/Heliolisk get a new form. Now, you can obviously make the argument for the trade evo's that we got Alolan Golem in Alola, but what we need to keep in mind here is that Golem isn't a native Alola mon and as such had to adapt.

That's a solid theory, and if that's the only reason they get extra time to make them the best games they can possibly be I'm not even mad about it!

Maybe it's 2024 to beat out the Pokemon Company?

Beta tester for Swirling Seasons here; it'll come out when it comes out, and not any sooner. So expect it taking at least a few more years...😢

True, but that might interfere with AZ's Floette...

I did almost immediately think about getting new Furfrou designs for grooming!

Hmm, That's a good point! I hadn't put that together (I guess some people were thinking that was gonna lead to Unova remakes...)

highly unlikely

I hope this comment ages well.

That would be pretty cool!

Full disclosure this will probably be instead of the usual Tuesday video. I just had to talk about it!

Not an evolution; evolite Shuckle would be a nightmare!

Honestly, that might be a cool gimmick in at least one game somehow; I'd love to have even temporary middle evolutions inserted, but hopefully it'd be longer lasting...

New type combinations would be great! Or just ones that are otherwise unique, like Poison/Flying, etc...

I Almost put Scorbunny, but I didn't just for the fact that it has a Gigantamax form, and I thought that it shouldn't have TWO things when other starters have none...

@@emperorcuboneWell, I wouldn't be surprised if they give the Charizard treatment to another fire starter tbh. But I could also see Chimchar as the fire option, due to France's ties to the far east. Litten, as much as I personally like it, seems to me like the least likely one.

​@@emperorcuboneCharizard in the background laughing cause he has a gmax, 2 megas and is most likely getting a 3rd mega

@emperorcubone true but France n England are close n they both have football teams so tring to think of connections

​@@emperorcubone I was thinking Chimchar as the fire-type starter in Legends: Z-A

Every Pokemon out there has somebody that loves it!

Mega Barbaracle when!?

That's assuming that Prism Tower is being built in the game, but from what we saw it was totally complete! It could be brand new I suppose, but the other buildings make it appear to be later...

@emperorcubone but in general, then entire Paris renovation took place brywrrn 1853 and 1870 with the tower beimg built just after the city wide demolition and remodle. And in a game based in France with an obvious parallel between the games main city and Paris, this seems like the more plausible timeline. We also don't see Prisim Tower already built in the trailer. We see a blue print rendering of Lumios City and the tower. So its hard to say based on the rendering if the tower was built before construction.

The problem with that games being set in the past, is that they literally cannot give Mega Evolution to Pokemon that appear in the Kalos Dex in XY and don't have a Mega in that game, since they literally cannot explain in-lore why they did have them if Legends Z-A is in the past, but didn't in XY. However, with the game being set in the future, they can easily go like: Due to the redevelopment of Lumiose City and opening up the lower layers and sewers, we disovered new Mega Stones and new Mega Evolutions. Also looking at the trailer is that Lumiose City appears to have 2 layers now as well, which they didn't have in XY (We can clearly see bridges and waterways). So that is another indication the games are set in the future rather than the past.

@nickdentoom1173 you can easily have Megas exist in the past and not currently during the time of Gen 6. To Mega Evolve you need a Mega Stone. Its very well possible that over the course of 200 years enough Mega Stones get broken, losts or are just not in circulation that the evolution is lost in the present day.

@@emperorcubone Not likely since we dont see anything brand new in the city in the CGI trailer since the whole city is in blue which is like BLUE PRINTS, so i dont see it taking place in either the present time or in the future since is seems more likely take place in the past BEFORE Lumious City was built, or at least BEFORE urban stuff was added at least.

These questions will hopefully get answers!

It being set in the past is a problem for Mega Evolution for Pokemon in the Kalos dex though, since they cannot explain in-lore why they didn't have them in XY.

Don't forget that they Added another member of the Forces of Nature as well! So it might happen again with whatever Legend group they include...

The lake trio is from sinoh

Some of the Paradox Pokemon were kind of like that (Roaring Moon/Iron Valiant) but that would be cool to see!

@@emperorcubone oh, I completely forgot about that!

We did see the Sinnoh starters in Legends Arceus so that makes sense!

Like, the thing is though. If any Mon in the Kalos dex gets a Mega, that means that the games have to be set in the future (After XY), with the Mega's being new discoveries, since they cannot explain in-lore why the weren't there in XY.

@@nickdentoom1173 or the mega stones for the og kalos starters could have already been a rare find and got lost in time and that's why they don't have megas in the og games. There are always ways to make things make sense. We don't know what Game Freak is going to do with megas this time around so we just have to wait and see for more info to come out.

@@amandadaley4182 Yeah, they could. But they cannot explain it in-lore because XY already happened. Thats kinda the problem.

Instead of regional forms I could see them focusing on new Megas, since I highly doubt they'll ONLY bring back the old ones. And maybe we'll see Mega Xerneas and Yveltal too?

Maybe, but I think they're lumping in "convergent" Pokemon like Toedscool. And also there were Tons of Paradox Pokemon who easily would have been regional forms in any other game...

@@emperorcubone That’s true and it’s admittedly surprising that there were only three evolutionary lines of convergent species Pokémon ever introduced considering Gen 9 is the first generation to introduce it. So perhaps a future game could introduce more Pokémon involving that concept.

AZ's Florges variant would look sick!

Ooh, that would be interesting! But probably OP, like Ultra Necrozma or Eternamax...

I mean, it kinda has to be set in the future, since it being set in the past is especially problematic for Mega Evolution for mons that are in the Kalos dex, since they cannot explain in-lore why they weren't there in XY, while if the games are set in the future, they can easily say - During redevelopment of Lumiose City (So the present XY one), we disovered new Mega stones for Pokemon that live in the region.

Probably; as long as they don't disappear immediately I guess that's fine!

Chimecho for sure needs some love! That would be pretty funny if every evolution ALSO got a mega for the game...

In retrospect that Should've come out on Pokemon Day instead...

For the fire starter, if PLZ does give a regional variant for the starters, Scorbunny would be another option, being a Fire/Fighting type for Cinderace based on savate, a French martial arts.

@@ericstelzman5190 could be cool, I like that idea

So every Pokemon eventually becomes a Three-stage line? I don't know I think it's a nice way to make them more uniqu by having different evolution levels...

How dare you besmirch everyone's favorite Unova Pokemon!

I'd love for Lycanroc to get more love! It's one of my favorites!

Well like I said, I hope the starters get forms like Legends Arceus instead of Megas...

This is my reasoning as well; how many people still run Kangaskhan after Parental Bond disappeared?

Sure, I guess... But they didn't announce Legends Arceus and THEN Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl. And that would even make a bit of sense too because BDSP were made by an outside studio. So while it is technically true that Z-A does not have to be the next game, it is shockingly poor marketing if it comes out any other way...

@@emperorcubone Oh I agree. Im just saying that I dont think we will go a year without a Pokemon game. Theres no way that the Pokemon TCG thing will hold us over till next year. Especially if ZA isnt till Nov of 25

I am pretty convinced Legends Z-A was actually supposed to come out this year for the Switch 2, but since the Switch 2 got delayed to 2025, they were kinda forced to delay Legends Z-A as well, which might mean we either gets Legends Z-A early 2025 (Depending on the release of the Switch 2) or late 2025, which might also have impact on gen 10 releasing in 2026 rather than 2025.

Okay but "Not Sinistea" would totally count as a regional form in any other game, so they'll still doing it, just under a new name...

@@emperorcubone Now that you mention it maybe they plan to replace regional forms with Pokemon based on old ones like Toedscool and Wigglett.

Well they need to figure it out eventually, cause we gotta a starter of every type!

Wouldn't it be extremely funny that instead of us getting traditonal starters, the starters actually are Pansear, Pansage and Panpour. I would laugh my balls off if that actually would be the case, since i can already see the rage coming from the community.

Meganium needs it more than any other Pokemon!

I wasn't sure, but Bard won me over...

Like, in that case the Grass starter should be Rillaboom, instead of a Drum, it has a harp.

Yeah and even seeing the Pokémon that existed in kalos 3000 years before the Great War and finally see what kinds of Pokémon existed long before yveltal perished and absorbed the life force of the kalos region and killed those Pokémon I was looking forward to see a legends kalos game like that.

Might? It seems more than likely...