To whom much is given much is expected.

I never thought of myself as an LJ fan. Lifelong Chiefs fan, but Stink needs to do some self reflecting if he thinks that Josh Allen doesn't have playoff failures but Lamar does, and the fact that he has 2 MVPs is actually bad compared to Allen? Just say you don't like LJ, has nothing to do with race, but you clearly just don't like him and that's fine.

Yeah, fans of a 2X MVP are suspicious of a dude who wanted him to switch to WR and we are the ones in a cult😅😅😅. Mark was the one in the anti-Lamar cult from the jump.

I don't recall Allen "developing" Diggs, or Mahomes "developing" Tyreek or Kelce, Cousins "developing" Jefferson. Even Mike Evans was great before Brady came. Should a QB be able to develop receivers play? Yes. Should they be great leaders? Yes (which I think is the real issue). Will everyone be able no? No, there's a reason Brady and Manning are the undisputed GOATS. So, make a trade and get him a prime receiver once and for all. Receivers like D-Hop were on record saying they want to play with Lamar.

Lamar Jackson fans remind me a lot of Russell Wilson fans, they just cannot accept that their hero could use some improvement in the pocket. The main component is how much is the QB getting paid? Even Trevor Lawrence now will face more pressure, because he's gotten paid like a top QB.

This is why Cj stroud is going to be a winner in Houston. He is traing that 3 headed monster of wr trio to be in sync to a crazy degree.

Can Mark address this one question…..the reason Lamar fans and ravens fans are in an uproar about your statement because yall football media analysts rank other QBs like Allen, burrow, some even say stroud or Herbert over Lamar because of playoffs failures. But put higher expectations on him cuz he 2x mvp. Which one is it??? You can’t consistently rank someone lower and than put higher expectations on him than the people you have ahead of him. That shows unfair criticism on a particular player. Winning games is a team award. Winning mvps is an individual award. So if Lamar got 2 mvps and no other QBs other than Mahomes have that type accolade. Why are the media people constantly putting Lamar behind these QBs in their rankings who hasn’t done what Lamar done individually but don’t put higher expectations as they do lamar? That means Lamar should be the consensus and clear cut #2 behind Mahomes no ifs ands or buts

Reminder that LJ also gave up a fumble in the AFCC game that would have netted the Chiefs another 7 if Pacheco picked up the 4th and 1 on the Baltimore 13 early in the 1st half. Granted it was a great play by Omenihu to force the fumble but he got away with 1 turnover and still decided to chuck it deep into what might as well have been the Chiefs locker room.

Loving the podcast brother. You think exactly how I do. You're the best Stink.

Great show as always. Mark you don't need anyone to defend you but I have listened to you for years ( many years) and one thing I know is you don't have any racism in you. Plus you genuinely are a very fair man and don't evaluate players on like or not liking, you are always referring to their ability. Mike is the same for you. Have a good one.

"Hes a great kid " and " he's a great player " but he refuses to say he's a great qb..lol he's said Burrow and allen even baker are great but lamar will never get that become he still thinks he should be a receiver...lol . Ravens fans it is what it is and honestly there's no need to argue with this guy or his followers because they will feel how they feel about lamar regardless of what he does in the future. Doesn't develop...zay flowres had an outstanding rookie season and that didn't happen just by chance lamar had alot to do with it...Hollywood also put up good numbers.

To bad Stink had to spend this much time and effort on his take about Lamar! Spelled it out perfectly Mark no bias!

Lamar has never even been the starter for a single season in the NFL. He has missed a start or more every season SMH

From a ravens fan, and Lamar fan the frustration aspect comes where everyone grades Lamar as a 2x MVP and says it’s Super Bowl or bust for him. At the same time every power ranking for QB or list that comes out regarding QB people want to rank him below burrow and Allen. It’s a double standard it has to be Super Bowl or bust for those guys too then. Just the way I see it

Wes Welker was incredible on the Dolphins as both a wide receiver and kick returner. My brother in law won his fantasy football championship the year Wes Welker joined the Patriots because I told him to draft Wes Welker because he'd put up huge numbers with Brady.

Lamar's still a victim of what the Ravens did to him for five years: Stuck him in the Greg Roman offense with bottom 5 WR groups. They never had any intention of maximizing his passing potential or making it top priority. This is the Ravens. The same team that won a Super Bowl when their passing game exceeded expectations, and then traded their best WR 1-2 months later. There's no Deebo and Aiyuk in Baltimore. There's not AJ and Devonta in Baltimore. There's no Chase and Higgins in Baltimore, and last season was Lamar's first season in a real legit NFL level passing scheme. And HE, had to be the one to push for that. Despite playing in a Pro Style passing offense at Louisville, the Ravens (My team) were only concerned with spamming his running ability, because they haven't cared about making the passing game a force since the 90s. You don't spend two first round picks on WRs, only to throw them into the Greg Roman offense, if maximizing your QB's potential as a passer is a priority, or if building the passing game is a priority. You do that, because nobody else will come here. His best WR was a rookie (Zay, last year), he was in a low volume passing offense where the margin for error is smaller, his best TE has gone into two postseasons banged up and barely able to play. AND he had to be the team's leading rusher year after year after year.

Always wondered: what is the logo on Mark’s hat?

#Lj_era8 will get over the hump just wait.

Ohhhhh dont worry Trevor Lawrence after that contract is under the microscope now That scrutiny is coming Allen and Herbert BOTH better so something this year or the media should get on they ass. Lowkey even Burrow, 1 more injury and you got a whole new convo coming his way But Stink is right Lamar 1,000% NEEDS to start winning in the playoffs. He needs to get better in the pocket. Taking what the defense is giving you. And he will be lethal

I don't know why people had such a problem with your take on Lamar. I thought you were spot on. I hyped him up a lot this season because I thought this was going to be the year he finally got it done. He had the number one defense, the number one seed in the AFC, and enough playmakers on offense to get the job done. I don't place all the blame for the AFC championship loss on him, but he didn't play well; and that wasn't the first playoff game where he didn't show up. Lamar has played on some good teams, including a 14-2 team the year he won a unanimous MVP. He's had opportunities to at least make it to a Super Bowl, but he didn't play well enough to win those games. Are we just going to keep blaming everyone but him for these subpar playoff performances. I like Lamar a lot as a person and player, but we have to call a spade a spade; he chokes in the playoffs.

Exactly why ODB signed with them .

Mark i apoligize as a ravens fan. Your opinion is yours and i respect and disagree with it. You far from a racist but you got me and many others upset. Good podcast cant wait for the season

I like how he says that the way to beat Lamar is make him throw from the pocket but in the AFC championship game Lamar Jackson had 8-10 seconds every time he was in the pocket but it doesn't matter.. When the refs aren't going to call defensive holding or pass interference then you can have all the time in the world you're receivers aren't going to get open. And yeah here comes the chief's fans saying oh it wasn't pass interference you definitely weren't watching the same game there was at least 4 past interferences that were not called and a whole lot more defensive holding.

Im not even a Ravens fan and i want them to win a SB so we can stop underrating Lamar. We never gave Eli Manning credit for winning 2 SB why does Joe Burrow get to be the 2nd best qb for losing a SB? Lamar has 2 mvps. Right now hes the 2nd best qb behind Mahomes. Peyton had the same playoff struggles to start his career.

He’s definitely not racist just stating facts … it’s been proven … you have to be consistent from the pocket to win a SB.

As someone who absolutely despises Ravens fans and who feel that Lamar is slightly overrated. I feel like you guys botb have awful takes on Lamar's career and his talent.

Have this same conversation about Josh Allen

Mark should lamar just switch to wr now since he doesn't develop wrs?

People that think he is racist against Lamar have the intelligence of a tennis ball.. Lamar is exciting to watch, wins during regular season but when playoffs come he tightens up

The conversation has definitely reached a pretty weird stage. Recently saw someone make a "Mount Rushmore" for Raven's players in franchise history and Lamar Jackson was on there with Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and Jonathan Ogden. I just asked the question whether Terrell Suggs shouldn't maybe have been included over Lamar Jackson (at this stage of his career) and people went nuts in the replies. Maybe those Zoomers just don't remember how great Terrell Suggs was.

The playoffs are all about boring meat and potatoes football with maybe a TE sideline route a few times a game (The Belichick/Brady Method). In circa 2024, that's what gets the job done, just like KC last year. Fast, smart, tight football....from the pocket. If there's any kind of Montana/Rice action going on, it's a spoof. The rules and coverage measures have changed, the long ball is typically only yards after carry with guys like Tyreek Hill. Again...smart, fast, tight. All the other stuff will fade come conference time.

Mark Schlereth the Champ is not Races cut the clown talk He just put fire 🔥 under my guy LJ bottom parts Lets get that tittle this year Ravens all is well 👉🏾💯💪🏽

I think it's not Lamar but the Idea of Lamar . Its a passing league and you have this guy who is very talented but lacks the new idea of the modern QB .

I think a lot of people are not listening to what Big Mark is saying about Lamar. He's saying that there is a lot of pressure on Lamar because he is one of the most talented players in the NFL - this is a complement dude. He said he thinks Trevor Lawrence doesn't pass the confetti test - that is an insult. Learn to tell the difference lol.

Will russel wilson be the best boxer in the nfl this year?

Lamar has played 6 seasons with 2 playoff wins. Burrow has 5 in 4 seasons!

Manning > Brady What many don't realize is that Brady learned from Manning by watching him run the offense when New England played Indy during thier rivalry years. Not going into long detail but Brady had to convince Bellichick to let him audible at the LOS when Manning was the master at it. If you watch the Patriots offense during, I think the 96 or 97 playoffs, you'll see Brady always watching Manning operate when he was on the sidelines ( Brady usually sits and studies defense coverages on the sidelines) and you'll see the Patriots rarely audible out of set plays on offense before and at that time. 2. It's not Aaron Rodgers fault he has only one Chip. That's the legacy of the Green Bay Packers. Bart Starr= 1, Brett Favre= 1, Aaron Rodgers=1 and if and when Jordan Love wins his, it'll most likely be his only =1 . Green Bay Legacies. 3. Lamar will be elite, if he isn't already this year. Stink feels like poking a bear?? 😂 Lamar has improved his passing accuracy every year. So it'll be interesting how he responds. Also expecting a elite year from Cousins( NFC South), Aaron Rodgers ( AFC East) and Deshaun Watson(AFC North). Book it.

Josh is better then lamar and plays better in the playoffs then lamar does josh has a better playoff record

Man this delusion that Mark Schlereth is a racist is getting old. I have been a huge fan of Mark for years. I value his word more than most. He has been critical of everybody equally. I agreed with him back in the tebow days. Both you fellas are honorable men. Thank you both

Again.. 5x MVP and 2x Super Bowl champ Peyton Manning 2-4 in his first 6 playoff games

I thought the guy's "reason" sounded a little back-door racist at first... When he calls out that he's not a racist, that kinda sounds to me like well...? But to be honest, the thing he said about a coaching failure in the AFC Championship game I totally agree with. And unfortunately this is the second time in Lamar's career, he should have been in a superbowl and was thwarted by his own coaches ineptitude !

Lamar fans are delusional. He's the 10th best QB because he can't pass consistently. His MVP's are a media award and mean nothing when he shouldn't have won last year anyways. Lamar is not a hall of famer. 2 playoff wins in 6 years....

Mark is becoming just as Karen Rodgers , talking too much with his rear for click bait, and now Marks tone is different because he got the tag 🏷️ of being racist