AND old fisher nets are a worse problem then any other plastic waste could ever be, when they turn into “ghost nets“

Most ocean trash and toxins come from the rivers and shores of countries like china. In india and indonesia you can literally walk on the rivers as they are more garbage than water

Exactly. Restricting literally all other sources combined by 90%, a crazy goal, wouldn't even reduce it by a third. Fishing just has to change. There's literally no other option at this point.

Tell it to the 3rd world.

arounf 80% of all plastic in the ocean comes from land, 20% comes from maritime sources and only around half of that comes from fishing, the statistic you mention is a missrepresentation that was very popular on media of a paper about the GPGP, that paper found that of the floating megaplastics fishing gear was a huge proportion (which is a problem, don't get me wrong, they are literally designed to trap fauna), but most of the GPGP are not floating megaplastics but macro and microplastics that come from land.

the more steps in the food chain, the less energy and resource efficient it is, compare humans eating plants directly vs humans eating cows eating fish eating zooplankton earing algae edit, I guess if they're feeding them fish for nutrients rather than energy, then that's a different matter

@@1224chrisng cows are herbivores...

@@1224chrisng herbivores/ominovores are efficient to eat if they eat grass or other plants that we can't digest.

@@deecyp64 That doesn't stop humans from feeding them animal products - which they do actually eat, since they can't tell the difference, or really have no choice in the matter.

farmers don't care if they're supposed to be herbivores, they fed cows to cows and that's how mad cow disease started. I have no doubt that if it gave them some economic advantage they'd feed fish to cows as well.

Which is why I hate all of the ads and charities telling us to "do our part". Sure, we shouldn't pollute....... but the majority of pollution in the world doesn't come from average citizens.

@@Ondrix that bothered me, the fact that the blame always falls on the consumers. It's definitely intentional, because now Canada is asking for volunteers to clean beaches instead of paid jobs!

The REAL PROBLEM is bottom trawlers and mid water trawlers AND their bycatch. STOP TRAWL BYCATCH!!! SAVE THE OCEAN!!! STOP TRAWL BYCATCH!!! STOP THE CORPORATELY OWNED TRAWLERS!!! The real problem is other countries, such as Asian fishing groups practicing highly unsustainable techniques wiping out many fish populations. American commercial fishermen do an excellent job at not polluting unlike decades ago!

@@318fishco especially bad given how China's fishermen always likes to go inside of other countries E.E.Z.s, and they usually spout something about "9 dashed lines" or whatever

@@Whatever-mx3bt I reckon we should get prisoners to do community service like this instead, save the environment and decrease incarceration

that is part of the rationale behind Integrated Multi-Trophic Aquaculture which usually includes fish/crustacean, shellfish, and seaweed/kelp.

@@andrewlucero3631 multi-trophic farming in general needs to get boosted online. It needs to be a household concept people consider doing in their gardens.

@@chrstfer2452 i feel like people who like uncommon pets or plants or even a lot of these homesteading people are already doing similar things like bioactive enclosures, indoor grow rooms, and growing native plants or fungi that help their crops. multi style stuff will be introduced as a trend but once people get into it and theres a bigger number of 'influencers' in that niche people will realize how good it is and we will get a bunch of cool at home examples. i look forward to it

kevan, andrew, chris: very interesting comment and a good jumping off point for thinking/googling. good job everybody this made my night

@Patrick Swan Thanks for confirming my suspicions. We need to advocate for this more strongly, even if there are unknown effects as of now, it can’t be any worse, not even close, to commercial fishing.

less damaging would be a form of better though

This video is a false dichotomy and a strawman argument in itself. 1) it attempts to hide privileged people’s poor choices (keeping on consuming animal products rather than less resources hungry plants) behind poor people’s conditions. 2) we, as privileged people who can choose what we want to eat, could just boycott wild caught and farmed animals.

@@Tonytruand09 yeah... nah man im not vegan and have no issue with meat so why would I want to go vegan? You're preaching some strange stuff considering the topic of the video.

@@Tonytruand09 Yeeaahhhh you're using some big words there ma d00d, and I'm pretty sure they don't mean what you think they mean.... "You see the straw dichotomy privileges the false poor privileged over the true poor privileged inherently circular reasoning the antidisestablishmentarianism. Thus forthwith collapsing the argument intersectionally clearly concluding we should all be vegan."

@@Tonytruand09 Plants are actually pretty resource hungry. Bug farms would be the best way to replace that much needed, high quality protein. It also seemed like, from this video, oyster farming was the least problematic as it cleaned/filtered the water it was in.

The Patagonian Tooth Fish, Slimehead, and Snake mackerel agree.

Mussels.

@@liamhillman8486 well we can grow muscles instead of mussels if we get Muscle Hank involved

@ZahnNenDah edit im dumb it's fresh water I think it might be good to do it in the open ocean instead of coastally, because if the clams manage to escape, there's nowhere else they can live on for miles around, and hopefully they can't live at the depths involved here

To be honest, farmed Fish are done mosly wrong. There is gigant room to growth and improvment. There is not much of it in fishing. So its kinda obvious which one SHOULD be better, but then greedy humans step in.

What if, like me, the only seafood you can tolerate are salmon (and presumably other fish I'm unaware of that taste like them) and cod (ditto).

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one of the huge problems in my country is that the coastal fish farms are making the wild populations sick. hopefully that's not true for other species, but it's killing our salmon (and thus, also our whales) here.

Atlas Pro recently made a video exploring multi-layer aquaculture-as well as locating it in the Deep Ocean where the oceans aren’t as ecologically productive and won’t oversaturate more productive, shallower regions (like near coasts and reefs)

Yes, multi trophic aquaculture, especially those that implement the ideas of biomimicry are great!

Does anybody not see how we are slowly full circling back towards how indigenous tribes were living. Like thats all this has been. A pathetically slow walk back to just letting nature happen, and more of us being involved in that proportionately.

teh nature of the video was addressing climate change aspects not the long terms sustainable of our food supply

eyyy lake erie gang

I get your point but zebra mussels were an accidental introduction to the great lakes, not an aquaculture introduction. I don't have a reference, but most shellfish fisheries I've seen use local species as they're the easiest to grow any ways. Your point still stands, they better be native.

And the same thing happens with fish in confinement. The gene pool of farmed fish gradually degrades over time and then those fish become a liability to wild fish populations should they ever escape and mate with them. More often than not, the less we intervene, the better off these natural systems are.

Natural selection at it's finest. Really good point!

@@OpticNRG while true, we gotta be humans and muck it up. So our best bet is to have our scientists use their sciences to muck it up the least, or with benefits maybe!

@@TheRexisFern Yup. We're past the point of no return and need to be actively searching for solutions (which thankfully we are, albeit not always with appropriate levels of urgency).

Maine has an interesting response to this. They have a minimum size on their lobsters caught and also have a maximum size. So once the lobsters get big enough they have to be thrown back so they can reproduce as long as they live.

And then they wonder where nature went and why the fish disappeared

I do not know the specifics of the Maledives, but just like you woukd not do industrial farming in a national park you should not do aquafarming in certain regions because of their importance for the ecosphere.

@@hannajung7512 but national parks don't have hundreds of hunters foraging species into endangerment

@@Eltener123 in some parks hunting is allowed under certain circumstances, but yeah... what you discribe sounds a lot like lobby influence: “protecting the workplaces of fisher men“

very interesting.

Yes but WHY do they exist? TO FEED THE DEMAND. The root cause of the issue is the desire for animal products in a capitalist system AND the amount of people engaging in the system. You can pest all you want about trawlers, as long as the demand is there, they will remain. Since it is complex to make people understand that the amount of people is also a problem, i guess it is better to attack the consumption part of the equation, especially WHAT is consumed. Animal products, fishes in this case, are far more resources hungry than plants. Hence why we should advocate for a plant-based food system. Much more achievable in my opinion.

@@Tonytruand09 I heavily hate the idea of making plant based diets a must. And basically shunning people who eat meat. A thing every person that says plant based is the way seems to ignore the sheer amount of habit destruction for making mega farms in some parts of the world and also that some places just can't grow plants because of the type of soil. The country I'm from farms is about 70% to 80% livestock because the ground does not grow anything well other than grass. A fully plant based diet world would be the least sustainable thing ever. Their is no where near enough land with soil that can farm plants to sustain the world. What needs to happen is things need to be made more efficient not pretend vegenism or vegetarianism is the answer.

@@Tonytruand09 the fact of 3/4 of plant farming goes towards animal feed is wrong. It's one of them miss quoted statements that get shared so much it became known as fact. Only about 35% of the world's plant farming is actually used to make feed. But about 3/4 of that 35% is wasted because of serious inefficiency in making feed. So that comes back to my point the way to fix it us to improve efficiency not to cut out animals.

@@Tonytruand09 "have nothing against destroying/modifying habits that are detrimental to innocent animals" That's s massive red flag issue. If it's needed to do that to cut out animal products. Then it's a show it's a bad idea. Also the idea that humans don't need meat to thrive and survive is factually incorrect. Without the benefits of cooked meats humans would never have evolved into the intelligent apes we are today Turning unfarmable land into farm able land is a waste of resources. It wakes way to much energy to do it.

@@TheWeeJet Why is it a “massive red flag issue” or “a show/bad idea”? What is the “massive red flag issue” or “a show/bad idea”? Sorry i could not understand your phrasing… It is your belief that human being NEED animal products to live and thrive that is wrong. Worldwide, nutrition and dietetics official bodies all confirm that a well planned 100% plant-based diet is suitable for all stages of life, including for athletes and during pregnancy. Key words: WELL PLANNED. If you feed yourself only Oreos and vodka (both vegan by the way…) you will run into issues, just like if you have a deficient omnivore diet. NOBODY is denying the fact that meat and other animal products have played a important role in our development as a species. If you believe that someone is arguing that fact, you are dreaming. We simply say that, and I repeat: human beings do not physiologically need (especially nowadays in our developed world…) to consume animal products to live and thrive. What we need are nutrients, vitamins and minerals that can be found in a WELL PLANNED 100% plant based diet. And for vitamin B12, no need to get those through the body parts of supplemented livestock, we can DIRECTLY take a pill/injection/spray/supplement processed good…. It is very simple to understand. For turning unfarmable land into farmable land, you do not have to do that… (of course you can if you want to). A much smarter way to tackle this would be to be vegan, and repurpose the already farmable land you were using to grow animal feed, and grow human food instead. And since there are less mouth to feed (remember! We are all vegan, we do not breed livestock into existence…) we end up using less land…. 3/4 arable land is dedicated to animal farming. It is not coming from me, it is coming from the FAO… and this is not a vegan organisation… unless you are into conspiracy theories as soon as you encounter a contradictory fact? 😂😂 sorry for the cheekiness please read their official report here: www.fao.org/3/a0701e/a0701e.pdf Well, I see where the problem is coming from! You did not either read, or understand that I wrote. I said 3/4 of the arable land on Earth is dedicated to animal exploitation…. It can be for feed, for shelter, for waste disposal….. I didn’t said that those all 3/4 were uniquely feed dedicated. Again read the FAO’s report. And yes, we are not in the Middle Ages where we NEEDED to rely on animals. Now we are smarter, and much more technologically advanced. We CAN do without exploiting animals in most cases. I never said it would be easy, I said it is possible. It all starts with a paradigm shift: animals are not on Earth FOR us, they are here WITH us. Nice discussion tough.

@@puppieslovies well there should be regulations for size. This would become easier if people spear fished or used fishing lines instead of large nets. The main problem though is that we are over fishing our oceans. 90% of the population of large fish are gone since 1950. They also say 70% of all fish species are at risk of going extinct bc of overfishing. This is according to FMAP scientists.

This has actually been practiced in many cultures all around the world. The land based version of this is aquaponics, where recirculating aquaculture systems are combined with hydroponic systems that produce fruits and vegetables.

Wow, you know that has been done for centuries. Now we just need to throw some serious science at it and see what sticks.

Tilapia do need protein in their diet as well, and cannot be fed only on duckweed. That being said, they are usually more than happy to consume insect larva, and Black Soldier Fly Larva would be an excellent choice, as they very efficiently convert food to protein and have as high a protein content as many commercial fish feeds.

Perhaps they just aren't popular as the opem pen style farming due to how profit or something

I know of one farm like this. It farms salmon. The problem is, it's incredibly expensive. You need food to be affordable.

These systems are good but require huge amounts of resources to control the farm conditions (temperature, O2 supply, water pH, etc) so have much higher greenhouse emission than open pen styles. Of course, if that electricity was being supplied through renewables this would be less of an issue, but we're still getting there.

that as well as aquaculture of some species like abalone, are done by near-coastal farms(land-based outdoor recirculating systems), not in the ocean. if they have the sufficiency to handle their outflow, it's far less damaging than taking up huge swaths of coral and seaweed growing shallows.

Few species have had their life cycle entirely figured out by science in order to allow for fully intensive aqua-farming. It is a subject that is gaining substantial attention right now, and thankfully the research is advancing quickly with todays methods. The one thing I believe this video should have made clearer, is the rate of advancement and the need for continuous attention for the topic.

The system you are describing is called aquaponics, and they can and do work well when implemented properly, but they do have high initial startup costs. Even so, the practice is spreading. I read an article last week about an aquaponic installation that was included in the community space of a new low income housing development (though I'm not sure how easily I'd be able to find the article again if I looked).

All animal agriculture is killing the oceans and the planet, it's not sustainable at all. We kill 2.7 trillion more fish, every year, than all humans that have ever existed. Until people wake up to the harsh reality of the consequences for the food on thier plate, we are doomed.

@@MistyAir Animal agriculture can be improved though, no reason to throw it all out. We need to do it as sustainable as possible instead because humans are omnivorous predators and supplements don’t actually work very well. I’d rather eat one steak that gives me a large benefit vs a million pills with little benefit.

@@jayce1850 it's not sustainable and can never be, unless the human race is depleted significantly. That will happen anyway because of the propaganda against veganism. Like the myth that you need a ton of supplements to survive as a vegan. The only thing you need to supplement is B12 and that goes for meat eaters too. B12 is produced by bacteria, not animals. 90% of B12 produced is fed to the animals bred for consumption. The only sustainable option is to get our nutrients straight from the source. The longest living humans in recorded history are the Okinawans and the Seventh-Day Adventists, primarily plant based.

@@jayce1850 we have to throw it out immediately because it's philosophical underpinnings are by and large completely unjustifiable

@@MistyAir the key words you missed were “in moderation”, if less is being produced and less is being wasted then the impacts go down. If they are done as sustainably as possible then the impacts go down. All animal agriculture AS IT IS now is killing the planet, reducing it and finding better methods or all kinds of food production would be the best solution.

We do. There are numerous salmon hatcheries here in the U.S.

A lot of fish are extremely difficult to breed in captivity

Aren´t trouts a introduced species in Australia?

the farm fishing where i am is decimating our wild populations, and our whales since they are left with less to eat. I'm all for these companies trying to find a way to do a more land-based operation, so that at least their waste products and antibiotics and things aren't getting mixed out into the ocean populations. farming fish is likely necessary to keep up with demand but also be sustainable, but the current methods are not doing us any good.

YES!

Actually that is a excellent technology I think we should be pursuing, if we can mimic the environment and raise fish in a tank i stead of the disgusting cages farmed fish are currently in, especially if they can be bred in those tanks instead of relying on natural populations for the fish in the tanks. Then that’s a winner.

The problem with aquaponics is that it's hardly a happy marriage between aquaculture and hydroponics. I believe there currently is no middle ground that involves optimal conditions for both things. Adequate nutrient concentrations required to grow a wide variety of plants healthy and optimally will kill the fish. Moreover hydroponics needs sterility to work best. Fish waste is nasty stuff and breeds bacteria which drop dissolved oxygen making hydroponics pointless and problematic. You might as well just pump the fish waste into a field with normal soil crops and do hydroponics properly in a separate system.

@@alexrossouw7702 Your assumptions are incorrect. Supplementing nutrients for plants will not kill the fish, so long as the nutrients are sourced correctly. Most plant available nutrients are not harmful to the fish. Fish waste is not "nasty stuff" that will lower the dissolved oxygen content of the water. The solids are removed from the system and either used as fertilizer outside the system, or put through an aerobic digester that breaks the solids down into a liquid solution that can be fed back into the aquaponic system. The bacterial filter used to process the ammonia in the water is also aerated, and does not decrease the overall dissolved oxygen levels. You do need to match the species of fish you intend to use with the types of plants you wish to grow, as different fish and plants require different water temperatures, and you have a more narrow pH range, but that has not proven to be an issue to commerical aquaponics growers.

Yes, it can be done on a larger scale, and there are commercial aquaponics farms all over the world. The US is actually a bit behind when it comes to commercial aquaponics research and implementation. However, a lot of the tech that has been developed for vertical hydroponic and aeroponic farming could also be utilized in an aquaponic system.

I gave same response When asked about what wine goes best with the dish (it was an Returned Service Club with $5.00 steak specials not a French resturant who asks teh guy at Maccas for wine selections).

It's 2021 and you still think we're intelligent.l?

@@chaos2inferno I'm quoting others when I say that I do believe that we are a highly adaptable species though and because of that I think we could absolutely create a food system with zero cruelty while feeding everyone on the planet with zero malnutrition. The abuse of power, love of money and an unwillingness to change or try something better I think are the only things that really stand in the way. Our population on the planet complicates things but it doesn't make it impossible.

I went vegetarian 3 years ago due to environmental/sustainability concerns, and I have absolutely no regrets. I don't miss meat at all. If anything, it all seems pretty gross now. I'm pretty close to vegan at this point, I will still have an egg or cheese on rare occasions. But alternative cheeses are pretty great now. The one problem with it is nutrition. If you go full vegan, getting enough B12 (and vitamin D depending on where you live) can be an issue for people living in less developed countries where things like nutritional yeast or other options aren't available. But in wealthier countries, it's really easy to go vegetarian or vegan.

@@byal9000 good for you Chris, good for all of us. If we changed the global food supply and dynamics we could get B12 and D3 to those who can't easily get it. I've been getting into mushroom foraging for the last few years and I have learned that utilizing mushrooms in the diet especially wild mushrooms can address both of these issues. By no means is it a complete solution for B12, however, bacteria present on mushrooms especially certain species like the hericium family are surprisingly high. And some mushrooms growing in direct sunlight such as oyster mushrooms actually contain a compound that supplies us with D3 when consumed. I just wanted to know these things as they are exciting bits of information to me. If we know that B12 comes from bacteria originally then I'm sure as a species we can figure out how to create a supply for B12. Thanks again for making your change, it really means something to me.

@@Gwilfawe Just a correction, the mushroom vitamin D is D2, not D3. Other than that I absolutely agree.

If you really want crab cakes, Good Catch makes delicious vegan crab cakes! ☺ Also, sushi with tofu and veggies are just as delicious as those with raw fish--without the heavy metals, microplastics, and saturated fat!

Me and my boyfriend make our own vegan sushi and everyone who has tried it says it's the bomb! You don't have to give up sushi, or even crab cakes, by abstaining from meat.

10/10 thread

@@garden.of.thistles please put your recipes on KZfaq. I know I am a sceptic when it comes to vegan diet as it seems to me that the ingredients are difficult to find, expensive and processed.

@@DrBear-rk4qb Yea, a crab cake is really mostly bread crumbs and butter.

Yeah, around where I live salmon mostly eat chicken (though I also live inland, so salmon farms anywhere near me are inland ones...)

There are systems for that, land based aquaponics.

They are wokring on it :-) Many research groups are researching the safety of using the aquaculture waste as feed, but it is a long process getting that approved by the government.

Not sharp enough to go plant based for the planet because it's "inconvenient"

And at the same time the riches few percent are those having the biggest impact. So if only those priviledged few would actually change it would allready change a lot for the environment.

Plant based nutrition is healthy, affordable, and sustainable. Unlike animal aquaculture and agriculture. Rice, beans, potatoes, some of the cheapest foods you can buy.

@@MistyAir Why do vegans always need vitamin supplements then?

@@MistyAir vegan can cause malnutrition. It is not going to work for everyone.

@@WaterZer0 They don't, they get it straight from the source. You need B12 but meat eaters are deficient in that too. Bacteria produces B12, not animals. 90% of B12 produced is fed to the animals you eat. Why not save the animal and the planet by getting it somewhere else? Like fortified cereals, plant milk, nutritional yeast, or just spray it on your tongue.

Exactly!

Its more about scale. There are 7 billion humans now. But, based on the explanation, farming is easier to be regulated.

But if people want meat, it seems farms may be the only real alternative if we want to be more environmentally friendly

Right, so plant based diet for the most sustainably. Skip factor farms and eat plants. It's good for you and the planet and the animals.

@@KezanzatheGreat I didn't say farming is bad. My point is plant base is more sustainable so farming plants is just better for the environment.

Only eating self-caught fish won't help. Imagine everybody doing it: suddenly we have the same problems (if not worse) as now. It simply isn't sustainable in large scales! Better to simply abstain...

I highly recommend looking into what marine scientists are saying about Seaspiracy. They are consistently using old data and untrustworthy data.

That documentary is just vegan propaganda imo. It uses a lot of older data, and conveniently leaves out relevant data. Complete garbage documentary

Seaspiracy is not a good documentary, their data is outdated and some of the people they interview have little to no qualification to be speaking as professionals. They earnestly made a mockumnetary without meaning to.

yes a NIMBY solution we need more of those.

Of course they feel pain, they are sentient beings with a brain and a nervous system. The science is out there, FISH FEEL PAIN! Imagine I put a dog treat at the and of a fishing pole, snagged a dog, dragged it into the water to suffocate, chopped it up; just so I can eat it's flesh. That's literally what we're doing to fish. What's the moral difference between killing a dog and a fish? They both experience pain in a similar way. Also, fish is meat. You can't be vegetarian and eat "see food", lol.

Mercury and lead are a problem only in species towards the top of the food chain or very long life span species , like shark or tuna.

@@Your_god_sucks Sure. I get it. There are different types of vegetarianism though like pescatarianism. First, I became an organic food eater in 2013, but quickly afterwards I became a vegetarian. I did this partly out of necessity and primarily for good health, but also realized it was better for the environment. I continued eating dairy regularly for probiotics and seafood a couple of times a year for fish oil for several years. When I realized prebiotics from organic apple cider vinegar were better than a few cow probiotics I gave up dairy. Also, a couple of years ago I gave up seafood on the spot because I came to realize it was being polluted by contaminated sea water, I could get the nutrients in other foods and fish feel pain. My organic vegetarian diet now is great and guilt-free.

@@zeuso.1947 Good to know. Plastic is the other reason why I stopped eating fish. At the end of my fish eating days I was buying canned safe catch tuna. I suppose that’s an issue too; overcatch not to mention overfishing.

@@JasonGastrich do you still spend money on dairy?

Yes, I was surprised the sea lice issue wasn't mentioned in the video!

That's probably because there isn't good data behind it. Farmed fish in BC do not have much seas live, and there is a low threshold before they are treated and the live removed. It's activist propaganda that is spread, they don't care about the truth only attention

Or just watch Seaspiracy to learn that ALL fish should stay in the sea for environmental reasons.

@@suicune2001 I mean, I watched the documentary, and I don´t eat fish any more... but it is HEAVILY one-sided. Which is ok, because it´s a personal documentary, but just saying

@@MisterK9739 Of course it's one-sided. The side that literally saves the planet from disaster. What counterpoint could there be? The ocean dies - we all die. We need to leave the ocean alone. Period.

@@suicune2001 i never disagreed with you. Just saying that it is highly polarizing

@@MisterK9739 Not for people with some sense. But I know there's plenty of people out there without any.

Realistically we need to stop eating fish commercially to restore natural populations of fish in the ocean. Fishing also accidentally kills thousands of animals that aren't even intentionally caught. It's probably one of the most ecologically destructive food industries in the world, right alongside ruminant livestock. It has a small carbon footprint but it destroys wildlife. I'd argue it's even more destructive than deforestation. Farmed fishing is only sustainable and doesn't impact wildlife when it's done in a controlled way and not connected to any other bodies of water (man-made reservoirs). And even then it's usually very cruel to the fish as they're confined in very small grow areas with thousands of other fish. IMO the future of sustainable protein will be fungus, insects, and lab-grown meat tissue cultures. I also think seaweed farming will eventually replace aquaculture as it can be done sustainably and it supports biodiversity. Plus seaweed is great! Maybe wakame, gim/nori, laver, and dulse will become more common in the Western diet, and seaweed-derived products like carrageenan and agar will replace gelatin.

I think so too

Ding ding ding

The plants do far more than just take up CO2. They also use up the nitrogen in the water, preventing the fish from becoming poisoned by their own urea, but you do need to provide a home for nitrifying bacteria to do their work of converting the ammonia in the excreted urea into plant available nitrogen (it's actually a two step process on the part of the bacteria).

Get outta here with your vegan propaganda. Why should we eat peasant food? 😉

People are always complaining about cow burps, but now you're just shifting the gas around to us.

Problem is to figuring out, what the right way is…

There has been some pretty great advancements in the world of aquaculture. A lot of the issues with farmed fish are all but negated with modern indoor Recirculating Aquaculture Systems. They're expensive to set up and do come with some of their own issues, but it really does seem to be the future of agriculture.

@@SuperBryant they are no doubt better than what came before. But what problems arise from them and if the made improvements are enough or will ever be enough remains to be seen.

Or you could just not eat fish

@@jojomojo508 doesn't really help on a larger scale but excellent input thank you

That also has labor, energy, and water costs though. I don't think you can compare them so strictly when it's more complex than that.

Not when it produces more co2 to harvest and process nuts than it does to catch fish for the same amount of protein ( I may not have said this properly), as mentioned early in the video.

Vegan doesn't work for everyone

@@babecat2000 and a lot of vegan food is heavily processed

@@morbly Have you ever heard of beans? Nuts aren't the best source for protein anyways. They are more luxury. Also nuts can be produced CO2 negative as they grow on trees. Fish certainly can't

The first animal raised for food on mars will be the first settler on mars that didn't run fast enough. Same too the last animal raised for food on mars.

Disagree. These videos are an attempt to communicate often subtle ideas, your criticism misses the 'it's complicated' clause in the script. Just saying.

Wild capture creates so much more ecological damage than farming, underneath a salmon pen ain't pretty but it's a damned sight better than miles and miles of obliterated seabed from fishing trawlers.

I think salmon or tuna .

They dye farmed salmon. Farmed fish is full of chemicals and not healthy. Tuna is high in mercury

@mike I'm not sure about the definition in English, but I think what in Italy is referred to as "pesce azzurro". Fish in the family of sardines, herrings, macquerels, they are very nutritious, they usually are very cheap (especially the least known and used kinds) and they are usually pretty healthy and pollution free, being pretty low on the feeding chain

@@beniaminorocchi If it is not high in mercury then it’s okay. I live on the ocean, there are many varieties of fish here. I will only eat the salmon because the others are high in mercury.

@@believeinpeace mercury gets more concentrated the more you go up the feeding chain, because being a heavy metal there is no easy way to process it out of your system, so it gets up the chain whenever a fish gets eaten

Line fishing can prevent bird catch with mitigation devices like bird lines and ensuring hooks have weights so they don't float. But the industry is too large to implement this on all boats

We don't know enough about the human body's requirements, or what might be different in the lab grown meat, to even remotely make that claim. It could be, AND it could end up like vegetable oil and trans fats. Absolutely horrible for us. Oh, and several natural meats contain natural trans fats, and they're not only not bad for us, studies hint that they're actually good for us......

@@lordgarion514 so first you write that trans fats are horible for us, then you write they are good for us. Which is it now?

@@MisterK9739 Pay attention. You're talking about lab grown meat being just as healthy as natural, as if that's a fact. I said we didn't know enough about the body or what could be missing from said lab grown meat. I then have you the vegetable oil/trans fat example. But no, I absolutely did not say they were both good and bad. I said the natural trans fats are healthy. I'm guessing you didn't even know that the trans fats in vegetable oil were man-made...... In other words, not natural. And for about 5 decades it was thought they were MUCH better than animal fats like lard and tallow. Oops...... Only killed a few million extra people worldwide getting that simple thing wrong. And now, people like you want to play Russian roulette with out health, but with the most important nutrient protein We killed millions getting a single fat wrong. And you want to try the same thing with literally ALL the proteins we need, not just one. Sounds like a dumbass idea at our current technology level TBH. We can't even figure out how Tylenol does what it does.

@@lordgarion514 majority of protein in your diet comes from plant sources, not animals. Never in history has there been such a thing as "protein deficiency". Ya´ll don´t even know wtf protein is, but "you need it for dem gains!" am i right? Protein is in literally every single thing you eat. it´s the basis of life. As long as you eat enough calories you will also eat enough protein. Unless you´re like super into bodybuilding but that´s not the case for 99% of people I never talked about or promoted lab grown meat. Just eat LESS meat. Once a week instead of thrice a day

@@MisterK9739 I didn't say a damn thing about any nutrient deficiencies. We didn't have a fat deficiency when we killed millions with vegetable oil, now did we? And man-made trans fats are estimated to kill around 500,000 worldwide every year. We damn sure don't have any fat deficiencies at this time, but still it's killing people. You're not very good at jumping to conclusions. And what if we switch to lab grown meat, and after we get rid of all our regular animal farming, we find out something isn't quite right (just like we did with trans fat) and it's killing a LOT of people?

Watch Seaspiracy to find out

Aquaponics is commercially successful in many countries all around the world. Usually it is not very profitable at smaller scales, but it balances out at larger scales.

No, you just need to make informed decisions at the grocery store to combat worsening conditions!

@@WaterZer0 try to tell that to 7 billion people

We didn't destroy the oceans, we just destroyed the part of the oceans we like. Just because we kill ourselves off, the world will keep spinning. We've only been here for a couple hundred thousand years, it won't even notice us missing.

@@-._.-._--._.-._--._.-._--._.-. It was a joke.

@@WaterZer0 damn you got me lol

Thank you