I'm glad they are on the level with others, white and orange is banger scheme.

But this is gone now w the nerf right

Unfortunately, for people watching this a few months later, this one is no longer valid. One of the major round of nerfs removed this judgment token synergy, severely weakening THA.

I dunno. I just still miss the Engineers' Guild. Loved those trikes.

For having played a test game with them, it is very fun to bolter down dreadnaughts

Thanks for the correction man, have added it as a pinned comment above. Sorry it took me a little while to get to this one!

@@hiage66666 *dreadnoughts

@@cristhianmlr fair

I basically came here to say the same. I like to paint red, more general buffs are good and I like the feel.

That should totally be the name for a Sagitaur-Spam list :D

@@auspextactics got to get some custom dice now to look like rocket league balls

And the best comment of the day goes to you!

Only if you want to name something for one of the best games after one of th worst

Is it 1 Iron Master, 3x6 Pioneers, 3x2 Sagiturs, and 3 Fortresses?

Saw it too

They are dope !

I saw there’s too , the stacking the toughness you mean ? That is insane

@@starwarscottage9419 the T stacking yes but also the token stacking and the bike spam will be nuts

@@starwarscottage9419 ya I seen them talking about getting their termies to T7, like lmao why can they do that

Custom with +4" range and the +1S and free strat on beams, I assume? Caught my eye too.

I would, but the custom rules selections are so limited if not going for melee. I'll be playing with the Urani-Surtr rules. Inspired by their flavor to make some scrappy survivalists

Wait, auspex is listing customs that I don't have in my pdf. It seems I'm missing a page. Maybe there is a custom one I'd like.

​@@t0k3p0k3 the good news is you can choose the "League Affiliated" rule and your custom league just counts as one of the main leagues insofar as all gameplay is concerned, so paint them however you want!

@@sonicwingnut It seems that way, only the relic is not included which I wasn't planning to use anyway. It's hard to decide, I always like to go custom. Looking at: Quick to Judge + Void Hardened + Honour in Toil. But that +1T is very tempting for a durable infantry based army as well, since I don't really like the look of the vehicles that much. I guess I'll try them both out and see which one I like to play more.

@@sonicwingnut thanks for the reminder! this makes my dream of orange squat armor a reality now!

Perhaps not best choise for start. If they stey as broken as they look now, find opponent may be not easy task.

@@guruvedra Meh, if any of your opponents are such tryhards they refuse to play a friendly game then they weren't really worth playing with in the first place.

@Space Lizard Damn you sound like a butthurt guard player with all that whinging. Keep crying about an overpowered codex that will get nerfed in 2 months. From my experience it really makes the casual players want to play with you. Ive got a few of my friends lined up to play against my votann when they come out. You know why? Because we aren't children who take a game with plastic army men too seriously...

@@RushGamma yea, how dear peoples don't enjoy been wipe out in first turn by GW newest bullshit. What a bigots.

Everyone be bitching about votann and nobody playing them is bunk af when a dude just brings 3 to 4 knights and just stomps you. I really dont see how votann is just the be all end all army, its just not there chief. Play the army you want op, if someone bitches about it and will refuse to play, theres other groups and the last one probably wasnt the best to begin with.

You can still pick any of the ‘main’ colours and plan them as anything

Belegar colours. Grey steel armour, blue cloth and red details.

Good point. With auto-wounding toughness doesn’t help. Ymry range and saves will.

Ooh... that's a good question! I'm not sure, but I like this line of thinking

It will likely be ruled as not working like that in tournaments, and to be below half-strength, they would still require to have at most 4 models (because they need to be strictly below 5 for 10-model units).

That's not how being being below strength works

They already have effective 1+ armour save. To get them past a 4+ armour save, one needs to hit them with AP-4 or stronger. That is already rather inefficient, and there aren't a lot of weapons that have better AP than -4. EDIT: the better beneficiaries of the Ymir invuln are probably Beserks and the bikes.

Imagine your aeons old moleculizer beam of doom, known for its ability to shred the fabric of matter itself, merely a light show to a 3ft primate with ch0nky armor made by a SmartBoi app. Imagine being a superhuman, grown from a young child into the pinnacle of humanity, equipped with the holiest and most deadly arsenal, and some 3ft abhuman with a cooler gun just wastes you at the same Ballistic Skill even though you’re the superhuman one. 🤡 Imagine being one of the most technologically advanced races despite your very short history, with zero fears of the tech and equipment you use, and then getting smacked by a 3ft ball gue’la that follows the SmartBoi app.

I think for Hearthguard you probably want Ymir, as they get the 4+ Invul from Ymir and can then take the Teleport crest with no downside. If going Kronus the Hearthguard won't be bad, but I'd focus more on having a ton of Berserks available.

@@patrickcoyne1960 Naaaah. No berserks for me. Its all hearthguard all the time! 🤣

​@@patrickcoyne1960 The downside is missing out on the +1W. Which definitely is a downside, but deepstriking is a massive upside. And we can make it even cuter. Use the "Give a Relic to a Hesyr" strat to give a 10-man squad of Hearthguard the Warpestryk relic. Once per game, 0CP to relocate them anywhere. (Also grants 12" anti-deepstrike bubble and charge-through-terrain). Then plop them down 9-11" away. Volkites and Grenade Launchers are within half-range for the AP-1 Ancestral Judgment at that point. If you're really worried about anti-deepstrike bubbles, the Plasma Guns are at half range from 12" away. Site-to-Site Transport normally costs 2CP for non-Characters. Here, you spend 1CP to give the relic, so you're getting a discount. I'm planning on pairing 10 Hearthguard with the Sniper Kahl (A Long List WLT, Grudge's End relic), personally. Should be fun.

I really like the look of Hearthguard too, but hope Hearthguard have options for closed helmets. I suck at painting faces and put closed helms on everything so I don’t have to. XD

@@patrickcoyne1960 you can replace just the Hesyrs crest for teleport and the whole unit gets teleport, only the hesyr will not get the +1 wound. Ymir is a really good choice because the reality is there are are lot of Ap2 and 3 weapons being taken with AoC existing, which means Ymir is likely the "toughest" Votann build.

I agree with you on Yimr very much, I do feel they will shake out to be on top. Not sure I fully agree with the melee league but I do very much see your points, I think some heavy transport builds with melee could possibly work well there.

Honestly, I'm unsure. It seems like only zerkers and sagitaurs need the 5+, otherwise the saves (with cover) shake out better or equal to the invuln you'd get anyhow. And the ancestral judgement seems a bit weak to me.

@@coltonlong7562 Your not always gonna have cover and they will be able to push you past 5 more often then you think too. Plus the 4 up invul is also quite good. AP is up nowadays. The judgement isn't the best but it's not bad at all, hence my last point, they could push you past 5 on a good amount of guns.

it works if they "Charged, where charged, or preformed a heroic intervention" it a pretty common term you'll see in just about every codex

Only play against tyranids, ROCK AND STONE

ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE KINS MAN! 😂

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No

Yes

@@user-zh8dr1qt1s so you prefer those Primaris Marines then?

@@patrik9328 I mean, primaris marines do look better than first born so yes