Which Was Faster: F-14A or F3? | Pete Legg (Part 2 Clip)

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Aircrew Interview

Aircrew Interview

4 ай бұрын

Former F-14A Tomcat and Tornado F3 pilot, Pete Legg, answers my question on which was the faster jet.
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@goarmysleepinthemud.
@goarmysleepinthemud. 20 күн бұрын
When I was in the U.S Army I spent quite a bit of time with a U.S.A.F F-15E pilot. Before the EAgle he flew the F-111. He had done an exchange with the RAF. He liked the Tornado however, he said in his opinion he thought it was underpowered and hoped the Europeans would give it improved engines. This was back in the mid 90s when I was in Bosnia.
@SPiderman-rh2zk
@SPiderman-rh2zk 4 ай бұрын
Few things from Autistic Tornado nerd (Tornado is my favourite aircraft) 'The GR1 never had its ramp intakes connected so M1.15 was about its top-end - unlike F3 which did have the ramps connected and could make M2.0 (M2.15 was my personal best in a jet straight off the tanker with no LAUs fitted).' '... the GR1 did have the intake ramps connected, but was limited to M1.3 AFAICR. They were wire-locked shut sometime early 90's I think, same with the Kreuger flaps. 920kts is a bit optimistic. I did a tour at TTTE at Cottesmore flying clean GR1's (no pylons either). It was a real sportscar but 900kts - no chance (unless I was an even bigger wimp :sad:). Supercruise? - yes, occasionally. But with double the thrust in reheat, why sit in dry power? [Your] fuel burn figures are slightly pessimistic for the TTTE jets; they were quite slick. Never flew a truly clean GR4, only managed clean but with pylons on test flights so more drag.'
@briancavanagh7048
@briancavanagh7048 4 ай бұрын
Why were the intake ramps changed or wired up?
@Rover200Power
@Rover200Power 4 ай бұрын
​@briancavanagh7048 so they didn't have to be fixed every 5 minutes.
@2ZZGE100
@2ZZGE100 4 ай бұрын
F-14 has gone Mach 1.3 or around 840 knots at 50 feet above sea level. This comes from Allen Shoe Mullen who was one of the pilots who flew F-14 in the Final Countdown movie.
@elnach3240
@elnach3240 4 ай бұрын
He’s great at telling the story too!
@gort8203
@gort8203 4 ай бұрын
Not doubting that somebody did that, because some guys just have to go beyond the edge of the envelope. The F-14B NATOPS shows a limit of 780 KCAS, and the F-14D shows 800 KCAS, which is Mach 1.2 at sea level standard day.
@2ZZGE100
@2ZZGE100 4 ай бұрын
@@gort8203 Agreed.
@elnach3240
@elnach3240 4 ай бұрын
@@gort8203 from what I have read and heard, the F-14A actually has a higher top speed than the B or D due to the ram air effect on the TF-30 as speed increases. I think they actually tested and verified this in DCS on the Grim Reapers channel. It took a long time for the A to overtake the B however.
@gort8203
@gort8203 4 ай бұрын
@@elnach3240 My comment was related to the limit airspeed of the aircraft, not the speed it can achieve if the pilot intentionally exceeds flight manual limitations. There have been quite few aircraft with a top speed limited by airframe or engine limitations rather than engine thrust. That said, it would be interesting to hear how and why the TF-30 obtains more benefit from ram effect than other engines. However, I would need something more credible than so-called 'testing' done by Grim Reapers with DCS.
@Gunjob-Gaming
@Gunjob-Gaming 4 ай бұрын
Cleared to 800knots on the deck was originally 750knots, this is per the manuals.
@magoid
@magoid 4 ай бұрын
AFAIK, during the 80's the Tomcat lost the retractable canards (or glove vanes), and then the variable intake ramps, due to maintenance concerns. The loss of those two things limited its max speed to less than Mach 2.
@dreaminknight
@dreaminknight 4 ай бұрын
The canards are for slow speed.
@BrySkye
@BrySkye 4 ай бұрын
@@dreaminknight The glove vanes on the Tomcat really weren't. They were there specifically for supersonic flight.
@slowhornet4802
@slowhornet4802 4 ай бұрын
@@BrySkye To my they pushed the center of lift at high speed (super sonic) forward, in order to reduce stability and to enable the Tomcat to pull more g's at high speed. Removing the glove vanes should not have limited the top speed. The keeping one(?) of the three ramps per intake fixed reduces maintenance, but location and angles of the final shock wave are not optimized. That is quite important: E.g. the F-104 had a fixed inlet cone which allowed optimal performance over a relative narrow Mach range (starting at about 1.6 Mach). For a high speed attempt they used a different cone which was optimized for higher Mach speeds. F-16 has no inlet cones, F-35 has a fixed bulge. These are reasons why some aircrafts have limited top speeds.
@magoid
@magoid 4 ай бұрын
@@Abledoggie42 Don't trust me, do your own research and you will find out. There are official USN docs out there talking about it. Also, you are wrong about fixed intakes limiting a fighter to subsonic speeds.
@slowhornet4802
@slowhornet4802 4 ай бұрын
@@Abledoggie42 I think the wording was not precise, but I guess magoid wanted to say the movable ramps were modified to a fixed position, and this resulted in lower top speed. Basically, the Tomcat moved from a variable inlet design to a less variable inlet design (I think only 1 or two of the ramps were modified).
@andypezzack2747
@andypezzack2747 4 ай бұрын
What would be fun to watch would be if you could interview a crew (pilot and navigator) together.
@janwitts2688
@janwitts2688 4 ай бұрын
What would it have managed with the full afterburner euro fighter engine?
@AKlover
@AKlover 4 ай бұрын
I remember hearing A USN F-14 pilot talk about going 150 to 600 at wings level at 10,000 feet in 9 seconds. He was elaborating just after that as to why an F-18 cannot run and has to turn and fight because it lacks the power to run away.
@eatthisvr6
@eatthisvr6 4 ай бұрын
Those numbers are wrong. He's misremembering
@AKlover
@AKlover 4 ай бұрын
@@eatthisvr6 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o7CJaZt7sdKddok.html About 3 minutes in, Conceded it was 9.7. to 610 This will be rather relevant should the Superhornet with similar performance encounters A Sukhoi variant in the area of "Formosa".
@2ZZGE100
@2ZZGE100 4 ай бұрын
Also, F-14 could go 840 knots at 50 feet above sea level as per Alan Shoe Mullen.
@eatthisvr6
@eatthisvr6 4 ай бұрын
@@AKlover iv seen the interview. The numbers are wrong. I can't remember exactly now but those numbers would mean something like 2.5g acceleration. There isn't a fighter on earth with that power to weight ratio
@eatthisvr6
@eatthisvr6 4 ай бұрын
@@2ZZGE100 the 840 knots at sea level is perfectly believable
@MrArgus11111
@MrArgus11111 4 ай бұрын
His answer was the same as mine as fast as mine until AI "saved" it with air density altitude equations. Now the people reflexively angry at the question, rather than laughing at it, will have something to smile about while they inwardly recoil.
@SgtSteel1
@SgtSteel1 4 ай бұрын
Not sure what you are on about. AI saved it? Saved what? AI did not exist in those days. People angry at what question?
@dreaminknight
@dreaminknight 4 ай бұрын
​​@@SgtSteel1AI = Aircrew Interviewer. AI has a soft spot for the F3, why he changed the question, that the F3 could win.
@SgtSteel1
@SgtSteel1 4 ай бұрын
@@dreaminknight wtf the f is this, cryptic corner?
@MrArgus11111
@MrArgus11111 4 ай бұрын
@@SgtSteel1 I apologize if I was unclear. We Americans tend to feel like the overly direct ones. Let me say it this way instead: OI, GUV! ARE THEM YANKS SAYIN' OUR ROLLYPOLYRUMTUMTIZZLER IS SLOW? and we, the Americans say "yes, but honestly comparing the two is silly for various..." and then you say WELL OIM GUNNA CALL UP THEE OL' FOOTBALL TEAM HEADMAN HIMSELF, THE OL' BLOODY QUEEN... and I can do this joke for six years but basically the F3 is slower and the, extremely good, Brit pilot who is a much better man than I am being interviewed immediately said so. So, it's funny.
@SgtSteel1
@SgtSteel1 4 ай бұрын
@@MrArgus11111 You're not funny, good attempt though.
@thomaslake2946
@thomaslake2946 2 ай бұрын
Where is this video taken
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 2 ай бұрын
Boscombe Down Aviation Collection
@potatoradio
@potatoradio 4 ай бұрын
Hunh just looked it up the F14D was slower, (even with more thrust) I guess it had a fixed air intake ramp...
@peterdoege1740
@peterdoege1740 4 ай бұрын
I believe that it was turbulence at the tails sufficient to delaminate the skins. Cheers!
@dreaminknight
@dreaminknight 4 ай бұрын
Max V is lower. But far quicker acceleration and being able to supercruise.
@mattg5978
@mattg5978 4 ай бұрын
The inlet ramps were never fixed. Their purpose was to keep supersonic air out of the engine. When they are lowered as the aircraft goes supersonic shock waves form outside the inlet thus slowing air down.
@slowhornet4802
@slowhornet4802 4 ай бұрын
ONe Tomcat pilot said it was also because the D model got new electronic stuff built into the wing roots, and that limited the D's top speed. RWR antenna if I recall correctly.
@mattg5978
@mattg5978 4 ай бұрын
@@slowhornet4802 The top speed on the F-14D was never limited. During OIF they routinely flew Mach 2 plus.
@ahmadtheaviationlover1937
@ahmadtheaviationlover1937 4 ай бұрын
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@michaeldelaney7271
@michaeldelaney7271 4 ай бұрын
The headline illustration shows an F-14 and a North American Aviation A3J (later A-3) Vigilante. The actual video seems quite interesting but I was confused by the first photo.
@paradoxial1865
@paradoxial1865 4 ай бұрын
It definitely is a Tornado in the thumbnail. There is a difference in the canopy shape and there is the distinctive bulge at the base tail fin when compared to the A3J
@Aeronaut1975
@Aeronaut1975 4 ай бұрын
Which Tomcat though? The A or B version? The F-14B could easily break the soundbarrier and maintain supersonic flight without using afterburner at altitude with a reasonably light fuel load, not a chance Tornado could do that!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 4 ай бұрын
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@eatthisvr6
@eatthisvr6 4 ай бұрын
I dont actually know. Both were really fast
@Aeronaut1975
@Aeronaut1975 4 ай бұрын
F-14B, yes, F-14A, not so much. The B version had much more powerful engines, so much so that it wasn't allowed to launch from a carrier with afterburners on (In case an engine failed, then the yaw would be too great for the control surfaces to handle), The F-14A had to use afterburner to launch.
@eatthisvr6
@eatthisvr6 4 ай бұрын
yes and no, at high speeds the tf30s actually made MORE power than the ge110 due to ram air effect, thats why the top speeds are so close for the a and b@@Aeronaut1975
@forbaldo1
@forbaldo1 4 ай бұрын
operation pitch black 2022 outside the fence 650 m from the start of the runway sitting on a log the tornados look old and second-hand the F-35 screamed into the air rolling before the one in front left the ground the tornadoes German I think sat there for sometimes 3 minutes waiting for stable air conditions from the plane before turbulence and then rolled away like a nanny pushing a pram. I know some people just love some aeroplanes, sell them to Pakistan
@chethemerc7841
@chethemerc7841 4 ай бұрын
In a steep climb the f-3
@3dmax911
@3dmax911 4 ай бұрын
the F15 was the fastest nato ever made
@KLRGT500KR
@KLRGT500KR 4 ай бұрын
F-14 was faster everywhere. High altitude or low altitude. F-14 is famous for hitting 820 - 840 knots on the deck and did Mach 2.5+ at 40,000 feet in testing or maintenance checks many times as per test pilots and USN aviators.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 4 ай бұрын
I have heard from a reliable source and pilot of the F3 hitting 900 knots on the deck (the factory cleared them to 850 on delivery). I would certainly say F3 down low F-14 up high.
@elnach3240
@elnach3240 4 ай бұрын
F-14 final answer.
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