@Geetsly_s imposter

Its all fun and games when you have the mandator. Its a terrifying foe to fight when playing as the separatists. One time i had space battle going for almost 40 minutes trying to take the mandator and its support fleet down which mostly had small ships but there were a couple venators and one of the admirals from clone wars, i dont remember his name but that one guy who was captured by boba and aurra sing

@@falloutgamer347 Admiral Cillian, and that's a struggle, I'm impressed you didn't choose to hit and run its support fleet to death first

@@angelshadow990 that would have been faster honestly, i had a fleet of around 1000 population and after the battle i had below 300 left with the malevolence being the biggest ship standing. But i definetily had fun which i suppose was worth it

Only problem is: the mod wasnt made by lucasfilm or disney so you cant really say that the stats are accurate (even if the gameplay makes sence). But then again the empire ai loves to spam interdictors and siege frigates, when actually it should be spamming victory cruisers and imperial star destroyers.

Pride of the Core is also fanon, which doesn’t really help knowing if you’d survive or not

I wonder how that would have gone if there was a point defence type cannon inside the hanger that only shot at targets when they were coming into the hanger.

Don't hold your breath. Current Lucasfilm has a moratorium on stuff they deem affliated with the Expanded Universe. And the Victory was born in the EU. You're never going to see it, Lucas had his chance to portray it in the last scenes of SW:ROTS in 05, but he (for some unfathomably stupid reason) left it out. I want to see it too, but with the state of Star Wars since 2014, I wouldn't get my hopes up for anything.

@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the Victory mentioned in the original trilogy?

My idea would have been to use a single prototype Imperial or victory class in the season 1 finale of Bad batch. It would have been perfect to show its bombardment capabilities

@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 well they have been adding legends stuff back into cannon all the time now, such as the Quasar class carrier

@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 It is unfortunate that the Victory-Class Star Destroyer will probably won't be in the Bad Batch Season 2. If only Disney was smart (No offence to any works at Disney).

*cue Yoda-like pondering*

The Star Destroyer was built like a battleship and the Venator served more as a carrier

Warfare changed from countless disposable droids and decent enemy ships to enemy being comprised of ragtag militias and ramshackle navies with armed insurgencies. Im not disagreeing with you, there were numerous design flaws with the ISD Imperator (Imperial) class and it's mk2 brother.

Except they were the landing ships for massive invasions, meaning bombers and AA targeted them first.

The guys at Samar would say something about the "WW2 destroyer against a battleship and expecting to win" thing, yeah 2 of the 3 got sunk, but they put up a valiant fight. Their armor was so thin that the huge AP rounds for the CAs and BBs just passed right through them, until they finally switched to HE shells. And the American Taffy 3 WON, even though outmanned, outgunned, outweighed ,and outnumbered heavily by the IJN Center Force. The true comparison is the light cruiser vs a battleship; armor thin enough to let the round through, thick enough to arm the shell, causing catastrophic damage.

Good idea.

And why the opposite is true in the CWMMP.

And then it gets destroyed later on, as experience with the first Normandy (Mass Effect), the Infinity (343 Halo), the MC80 Liberty (Star Wars: Ep. VI - Return of the Jedi and X-Wing Alliance), and a bunch of FreeSpace homeships have shown.

This. The clip used showed a Arquitens trying to facetank a Frigate known for it's firepower, as well as a Destroyer, and being damaged but intact despite running directly into the fire of 2 ships that significantly outgunned it. Given it's basically a heavy corvette, the fact it got that close without immediately blowing up is impressive. That being said, it should be behind a larger ship putting missiles and turbolaser fire on larger ships with wear down the shields, and hitting fighters and bombers with the light lasers.

Yeah, I've noticed that they cherry-pick some of the data. They do the same with the Venator to show how bad it is. They're having a bit of a love affair with the Acclamator at the moment.

Agreed. This is especially true as the Arquitens role would be to shield these vessels.

And only those with plot armor will survive then.

PS I especially love these videos about ships :)

It was projectile not laser based only reason why it took it down something about the metal material not built for it. Also, its a video on this channel and metanerdz or eckhartladder I forget lol.

So, I think it's a nice theory but.. you are kinda neglecting the part where every ship on this list was part of the republic and thus would have had some involvement from palpatine. Infact, where the clone wars initially only had acclamators, it wasn't until later they adopted the venators. If the venators were designed for "maximum suffering" as you suggest, then logically speaking all these ships would be. But only the venator supposedly is. At the same time.. Palpatine is looking at things from a grand strategical outlook, he is not going to micromanage the design of a ship. At the same time, there was little to no conscription going on, the dying was mostly done by clones. Which the general populace cared painfully little about. Additionally sith do not "feed on pain" they can certainly use their own pain to feed their anger and overall emotions and a good few of them are certainly sadistic pricks, but sith don't just cause suffering for shits and giggles, it does not make them stronger unless we talk about some highly specific sith.

@@Gary_The_Metro Ok, sorry I couldn't respond a bit sooner, but now I will to your points. • About all the ships of The Republic, yes, I agree that Palpatine had to have some involvement in their design. But here's the thing: Palpatine perhaps had different ideas on what those other ships would be used for, other than The Venator. ° As for The Arquitens, once again, another ship that seemed to have been designed to kill the people on-board more-so than the enemy. (Not all that well armed, even for a ship that sized, even corvettes, and frigates could probably have more weapons than The Arquitens; Hull Strength that would make glass (Glass Bottle-type of glass, not Hurricane/Bulletproof kind) look like Beskar Armor by comparison; really terrible all around at what ever job it was meant to fulfill in general.) I even wonder if it could stand a chance against a rebel GR75 Cargo Hauler with how bad a ship it really was. ° Acclamators were meant to carry a lot of troops into battle on enemy worlds, and I'll admit it seems to have much more effort put into its effective design than The Venator/Arquitens. When you have this ship serving as your primary army troop transport across the galaxy to all the important battlefields, you certainly need those clones to stay alive enough to get to these battles, and actually be worth making on Kamino in the first place. And while Clones did exist on Venators as well, I would assume those clones mostly consisted of those that truly were "expendable" to Palpatine, since Venators didn't carry quite nearly as many troops to enemy worlds as Acclamators would, which would be more "worth keeping alive" in Palpatine's eyes, so that they could at least get onto the planet below, and put up a fight against The Droid Armies down there, even when most, if not all of them were killed in some very serious battles. The clones on Venators much of the time actually worked as essential staff (Janitors, Mechanics, Medics, maybe even Tactical Advisors) where the crew wasn't available. So they probably wouldn't be on enemy worlds, fighting Droids in full battle armor, and weaponry (Maybe side-arms, at most, in case of drunken brawls breaking out in the mess halls to restore order, or simply have something to fight with in case of the enemy boarding their ship). Those clones that DID actually do legitimate trooping work (The Actual Clone Soldiers that fought many of the battles) likely existed, and would be transported to the surface of a world by LAAT gunships, but not quite as many as there would be on an Acclamator. One other thing to remember about Acclamators, as well as Victory Star Destroyers, and Dreadnoughts, is that they would continue to serve in The Empire later on, while The Venator was retired, and scrapped ASAP to make way for The New Imperial/Tector Star Destroyers. Palpatine probably wanted to keep The Jedi out of Public Perception about these other ships (Which he couldn't do with The Venators, since they were commonly called "Jedi Cruisers" by many in the galaxy) so that their memory, and image wouldn't taint what people thought of these other ships as The Venators image already was. He really wanted to push The "Jedi are all evil traitors to The Republic/Empire that must be eliminated" narrative real hard (For Obivious reasons (Sith)), and it would be pretty stupid to do that, yet still use Jedi Cruisers/Venators simultaneously. So, maybe he built a ship that was deliberately built poorly, so that he could have a lot of Jedi be stationed on them often, which would influence public opinion about in such a way, and so he could get a lot of them killed, even before Order 66 happened. The other ships (Except for The Arquitens) would not commonly carry Jedi like that, so Palpatine could allow them to be built better, and more suited for war than The Venators, as these were ships actually worth keeping alive, by comparison. ° The Victorys. Again, a ship that Palpatine planned ahead if time to serve The Empire after The Clone Wars were over. Therefore, he allowed this ship to be built truly for fighting a war (Excellent Armored hull, particularly for a ship its size; lots, and lots of weapons; built for pure, unholy carnage to just medievally torture the enemy with, so harshly). This ship of only 900 meters in Length actually posed a reasonable threat to Clone Wars Era Lucrehulks, for crying out loud, on top of The Bulwarks that they were debuted to The Republic Navy a little early to fight against in particular!!! ° Dreadnoughts, and other Large Ships. On top of being future Imperial ships worth having around for that time period, these ships more than any other NEEDED to survive serious engagements, because if you lose one, that seriously blunts your war effort, with all that money, and resources put into one of these ships gone down the drain. Also, any Dreadnoughts, and other large ships in this era were not quite as commonplace yet as they would be under The Empire, and they never really saw much combat in The Clone Wars, anyway, simply serving as extra/beefed up backup firepower in defending very key worlds in The Core (Kuat, Coruscant, Corellia, Anaxes, etc.) from any Separatist attacks, however unlikely they may have been. This is already a long comment, let me make a Part 2.

@@Gary_The_Metro Before Part 2, I'll just point out that While The Republic only had Acclamators early on in the war, since it was early on in the war, it clearly hadn't got quite as heated, bloody, and deadly as it would get later on, especially during The Outer Rim Seiges late in the war. Much of The deadliness of the war later on may actually be attributed to the introduction of The Venator, and all hell, and purgatory broke out from there.

@@Gary_The_Metrosith feed off of pain. Especially others. Fear too.

@@7632ios where tf did you get that from

No

So Imperial-class 😈

Eh, to each our own. Gotta like its appearance and more martial prowess more, plus missile launchers. Missile launchers, man/woman, and with the potential of Macross Missile Massacres if not Homeworld Missile Destroyer attacks!

@@michaelandreipalon359 Yeah, I gotta admit, a lot of missile launchers are very cool and very tempting to go with. On an unrelated note, I just got Marcy's Journal two days ago, read it, and it was awesome.

@@zexalbrony4799 Ahh, why must I be so unlucky?!

@@michaelandreipalon359 "There is no such thing as luck" - Ki-Aid-Mundi, 2009, Star Wars The Clone Wars. Sorry, was watching that episode earlier today and really wanted to use a quote from it, and you just gave me a good opportunity to do so, buddy.

@@zexalbrony4799 Thanks, I reckon.

You mean the Eclipse, or the shuttle