White House Farm Murders: New Evidence 'Proves' Convicted Jeremy Bamber Didn't Massacre His Family

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5 ай бұрын

The case of Jeremy Bamber, convicted of the brutal murders of his family in 1985, has been a subject of intense scrutiny and debate for decades. Bamber, now 63 years old, has maintained his innocence since his imprisonment and has fought tirelessly to prove his innocence. The case, which involved the slaying of three generations of the Bamber family in the idyllic village of Tolleshunt Darcy in Essex, has raised questions about the reliability of the evidence that led to Bamber's conviction. With conflicting narratives and new evidence coming to light, the case continues to captivate and divide opinions.
In 1985, the Bamber family tragedy shocked the UK, as three generations of the family were shot 25 times at close range at their family home, the Whitehouse Farm. Jeremy Bamber was convicted and sentenced to a whole life tariff for the crimes. The sentencing judge described Bamber as "warped and evil beyond belief." However, Bamber has consistently claimed his innocence, attributing the murders to his paranoid schizophrenic adoptive sister, Sheila Caffell, who he alleges was alive in the house at the time of the killings.
The case has been marked by a series of appeals and investigations, with new evidence challenging the original conviction. One key point raised by Bamber's supporters is the presence of Sheila Caffell in the house after the police arrived, suggesting that she may have been the culprit. The discrepancies in the police logs and the handling of evidence have raised doubts about the integrity of the investigation and the reliability of the prosecution's case.
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@charlescadwallader6106 5 ай бұрын

It would have been far more educational and interesting if Bleksley hadn’t spent 70% of the time voicing his own, ill-informed opinion. In the meantime, and as a retired Essex Police detective (I served after Bamber had been imprisoned), I personally know several of those officers involved in the Bamber case and I would not trust at least three of them one single inch. I know them to have lied, prevaricated, victimised and attempted (at least) to hide evidence. One of the ones who became senior to me put huge pressure on me to omit certain facts from a statement and to charge a man with a much lesser offence than that for which he had been arrested (abducting a child under the age of fourteen.) Some might say that the police case was bungled; I would go one further and say that it was deliberately skewed, to the detriment of the defendant.

@lucymooch5821 5 ай бұрын

No disrepect to you Sir, but my dealings with police over 50 years has instilled in me, that NONE of them I ever dealt with could be trusted.

@charlescadwallader6106 5 ай бұрын

@@lucymooch5821 - I’m really sorry to hear that but I don’t doubt what you say. Likewise, I would like you to accept that there are some really good and dedicated people in ‘the Job’ who would put their lives on the line for the public whom they serve. I was always in trouble for saying that my loyalty to Essex Police was zero, but my loyalty to the people of Essex was 100%. That doesn’t mitigate your experiences however and I’m so sorry that your perception of the police, based upon how you have been treated, has been so awful.

@LowejaDogs 5 ай бұрын

Its the same all over, one bad apple doesnt ............ and in such institutions/organisations etc they do protect each other but eventually the truth comes out. No, not all policeman are bad. @@charlescadwallader6106

@lucymooch5821 5 ай бұрын

@@charlescadwallader6106 Sir, I have absolutely NO doubt that not all the apples in the barrel are rotten. And I am certain that you gave your utmost because you tell me so, many Police officers put their lives and their families lives on the line everyday, but this is not rising damp, where the rot comes from the bottom up. This corruption and bad practices of which many are illegal in many police forces comes from the top down, more akin to acid rain.

@LeeGordon-fp9zf 5 ай бұрын

Sorry. I mean detention centre but for some reason I was unable to edit. Cheers.

@megansavage7152 5 ай бұрын

I have borderline personality disorder and I don't kill people

@Caz_2087 5 ай бұрын

So everyone with BPD acts the same, lives the same, does the same? Obviously not

@Rumpleforeskin77 5 ай бұрын

You've still got time .

@lynsey08lynsey80 4 ай бұрын

It's unbelievable the way people with BPD are treated

@lizroberts1569 4 ай бұрын

And you point us. BPD isn’t a diagnosis as such, and it’s often used as a label for paedophiles.

@2msvalkyrie529 4 ай бұрын

BPD : otherwise known as an over active imagination and / or attention seeking device . Similar to ADHD and other self diagnosed neuro diverse conditions.

@patpat4317 5 ай бұрын

The man on the left said Sheila was alive in the kitchen and when the cops broke in she ran upstairs to shoot herself. Did I hear that correctly? He also said no silencer was used so surely 40 cops outside would have heard a gunshot if, as he said, she ran upstairs to shoot herself.

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

What he said was true, you didn't misunderstand. The police did hear a noise but you have to remember this was not a shotgun, but a relatively low powered rifle. The evidence is their to back this up.

@garysmith3173 5 ай бұрын

Wasn’t the rifle a 22 rimfire gun? They are surprisingly quiet when compared to other firearms.

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

@garysmith3173 definitely a .22, not sure off the top of my head, all the other details

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

Anschutz 525 Semi-Auto .22LR rifle with a ten round magazine. @@davepenton4137

@thorntonovski 5 ай бұрын

The guns length means the angle of bullet through the head couldnt of been suicide?

@donmcvey 5 ай бұрын

That 'Behavioural Psychologist' has clearly just been called in to fill a seat. Every answer is vague, conjecture or generalising - nothing directly related to the case. She says "99.9% of killers will continue to protest innocence". Where is she getting this statistic? Pretty sure it's completely made up in her head. Or how about "they will convince themselves they're innocent." Who is she talking about? General killers??? I feel like I know more about killer's minds from watching Manhunter! Amazing how the host and the 'expert' can just completely blank out facts like the police notebooks saying there was a female body in the kitchen (that was then magically transported upstairs). So those 2 officers were wrong? Did they just imagine a woman on the floor and note that down for fun?

@sithomas8080 5 ай бұрын

I felt exactly the same watching this. She didn’t appear to know anything about the case. How many murderers has she interviewed to come to her conclusions?

@CharlieCharlie881 5 ай бұрын

All the people who support him are taken in by him

@CharlieCharlie881 5 ай бұрын

@@sithomas8080 A lot if you read her bio

@ChoppingtonOtter 5 ай бұрын

My immediate thoughts about that "99.9%" too - not how I'd expect someone to put a scientific point of view unless that was an actual study result.

@saudade369 4 ай бұрын

Yes, it’s a well known psychological trait and learned behaviour , for psychologists to immediately jump to their own often generalizations and old generic research answers to explain people . I wonder if there is any research on psychologists always explaining things away with psychology?

@HarryFlashmanVC 5 ай бұрын

Jo's opinion is irrelevant. Even if Bamber is a narcissist ot even a psychopath, that doesnt mean that the conviction isnt unsafe. The bar for guilt is very high, if evidence was witheld from the jury that could have created reasonable doubts then the conviction is unsafe and a re trial is required. For the CCRB to be even considering this, there must be new evidence that could undermine the conviction.

@mortuaryartist 5 ай бұрын

She is just one of those celebrity media gossip types. No qualifications in criminal behaviour at all.

@stephenholmes1036 5 ай бұрын

@@mortuaryartistcorrect i remember people like her sledging Stefan Kiszco's appeal. They were silent when Stefan was proven innocent and Ronald Castree went free for 30 years

@elinamiezite4410 5 ай бұрын

+ she's no better than an average witch hunter. Facts about crime circumstances? Naaaah, better let's pay attention to juicy rumours about animal slaughtering, created by unspecified sources. Besides the guy is a narcissist because he killed his family because he's a narcissist.

@judithmorganjudyteen 5 ай бұрын

@@stephenholmes1036that case was terribly sad

@RobertSmith-vl5gc 5 ай бұрын

Totally agree Jo's evidence is not only irrelevant, but all of her information is only based on gossip or hearsay. The phone logs alone throw serious doubt on Jeremy's conviction.

@juliebriggs8999 5 ай бұрын

If no silencer was used and Sheila was walking around the house eventually shooting herself in the bedroom, was a gunshot not heard by everyone stood outside?

@nickyrowley3374 5 ай бұрын

The gun shot is only as loud as a clap, so no they wouldn't hear it outside. Plus when the firearms team entered one of them reported hearing a sound and raced up the stairs calling for Sheila to make herself known.

@andybt3989 5 ай бұрын

@@nickyrowley3374incorrect! Without the moderator it would be heard outside!

@Man_fay_the_Bru 5 ай бұрын

@@nickyrowley3374how many guns are just as loud as a handclap🤦‍♂️even air rifles are far louder than that ffs

@Maxie19699 5 ай бұрын

@@nickyrowley3374 The window to the bedroom was open. It would have been heard

@martinroberts9792 5 ай бұрын

That, if I may say so, is THE POINT. Fireworks outside a house can be heard from inside. Hence the inverse situation would be true, and of a gunshot also. If the silencer is offered up in mitigation, then the question arises as to how Sheila could have removed and hidden it after her death. As to movement inside the house, of curtains and/or someone switching lights on and off while Bamber was outside with police, was the front door the only point of entry, and was Bamber interacting with every police officer present?

@silverfern8970 5 ай бұрын

Narcissists are very good at getting certain people under their spell!!!

@user-ep8fr2wy9m 5 ай бұрын

Like Donald Trump chaos follows him

@carolarmer1204 4 ай бұрын

@@user-ep8fr2wy9mwhat's trump got to do with the price of fish ??

@Heresy1987 21 күн бұрын

@@carolarmer1204 Trump is a blatant narcissist & obvious example so that links in with the original post.

@lizroberts1569 4 ай бұрын

Even if Sheila was alive in the house, it doesn’t mean she killed them and he didn’t.

@suehatton 5 ай бұрын

How can,she diagnose him without meeting him and evaluating him?

@lynsey08lynsey80 4 ай бұрын

I thought the same

@suzanheywood 4 ай бұрын

Exactly how can she sit there and say he's got BPD or NPD without interviewing him. She's merely going by how he looked on the TV.

@annabelladebonnay8320 4 ай бұрын

Psychologists are superb at inventing 'disorders'. even for little children!!!!

@2msvalkyrie529 4 ай бұрын

Ask three psychologists : Get three different opinions.

@miacat1727 2 ай бұрын

Judging from Bamber's nature, I reckon the behaviour psychologist got it right. Recognising narcastistic behaviour is not rocket science.

@artyfingers4488 5 ай бұрын

That awful woman is the last person I'd trust to psychoanalyse anyone.

@JulieRushworth 5 ай бұрын

She's got tunnel vision and that's not what psychology is cented on.

@michelleroberts-ez7ye 4 ай бұрын

She criticises JB for not showing remorse. This is illogical and a circular argument. If he is innocent, he would not show remorse (for something he hadn't done).

@GJChurchward 5 күн бұрын

I thought she gave her personal, rather than her professional, opinion. In a way which suggested some prejudice.

@LittlePinkPiggy1 5 ай бұрын

The police made so many mistakes in this case, which has allowed JB to convince people that he is innocent.

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

There was only one mistake made by Officer-in-charge Taff Jones when he closed the case before it had begun and brooked no argument. Underling officers with more nous, such as Stan Jones, Bob Miller, Chris Bews et al. suspected that Bamber was lying soon after they met him.

@Heresy1987 21 күн бұрын

Id say the police have made many mistakes in the case with the outcome of an innocent man being hoyed in the slammer for nearly 40 years for something he couldnt obviously have done. If it's an open and shut case, as claimed, then why are the police, forensic services, etc suppressing evidence? Even now! Why suppress all those documents, files etc and collude with the tabloids to pay off and fit someone up.

@sithomas8080 5 ай бұрын

Who moved into White House Farm once Bamber was caught convicted? Who found the mysterious sound moderator and gave it to the police? Who was jealous of the adopted children who stood to inherit the family estate?

@CharlieCharlie881 5 ай бұрын

False, the house is owned by the church

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

She still lives there.

@CharlieCharlie881 5 ай бұрын

@@davepenton4137In a different part of the house, the boys room is locked of, it has pics of the family ,a shrine to them all, they are a lovely family

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

@@CharlieCharlie881 The question was who moved into the house? Not who owns it.

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

@@CharlieCharlie881 if you say so

@user-xv9yc4wb2x 5 ай бұрын

Two J Bamber advocates versus Jo, who appears to have no deep knowledge of the case...really balanced.

@verairemonger1260 5 ай бұрын

So, are you suggesting they should have had MORE people with no knowledge on, just for balance??

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

And her and the host, still done most of the talking. Normally you would have someone who knew the case, which she obviously didn't.

@dougchance8891 5 ай бұрын

@ user- xv9yc4wb2x Didn't Bamber brag to his then girl friend how he could enter and exit the house by means of a window which could be secretly opened and leave no trace. Very sloppy police investigation all round. Bamber was the only person to benefit if the others were dead. Guilty as charged in my opinion- and that of thousands of others.

@miacat1727 5 ай бұрын

@@dougchance8891👍 Spot on. Note the question about Bamber killing animals was sidelined by the male guests. The girlfriend provided the window evidence & gave much more. The only person who stood to gain anything from this slaughter, is behind bars & should remain there.

@annoyingbstard9407 5 ай бұрын

Z list “experts” on each side. I see no problem…it’s a Z list KZfaq channel.

@terryyakamoto3488 4 ай бұрын

There are two possible scenarios. Firstly, a paranoid schizophrenic with a history of not taking medication had an episode and murdered everyone. Or, secondly, Bamber created an elaborate conspiracy with numerous moving parts that involved him cycling 5 miles across country in the dark (prosecution case) murder everyone and stage the scene, call the police from the house, cycle back home then call again and initially convince the police that it was a murder/suicide, only to have forgotten that he'd ruined his scheme in advance by having previously told his girlfriend he was going to do it. Occam's razor

@gesp5151 4 ай бұрын

She can’t have done it! Just physically impossible

@shannondavis1046 Ай бұрын

How did she load 25 bullets? Beat her 6 ‘ tall dad and not have an injury other than 2 bullets??

@Heresy1987 21 күн бұрын

@@gesp5151 if she "cant have done it", who was the person inside the house then whilst JB was outside with the police? The police were talking to someone inside the property whilst JB was outside. Who was opening and shutting curtains, switching lights on etc? Who do you think they were talking to? The milkman?

@gesp5151 21 күн бұрын

@@Heresy1987 Sorry but that’s a Bamber spin: he tried to persuade police that his sister was still alive and to be careful entering. No evidence anyone was alive at that stage.

@Heresy1987 21 күн бұрын

@@gesp5151 but you're taking the police word for that though, seeing as they would be the prime witness at the scene.

@paulis8107 4 ай бұрын

Nevill Bamber never made a phone call to Bamber, absolutely no evidence.

@tdurb0 5 ай бұрын

There is no reason for the woman, whoever she is, to be in this video. She adds nothing of any relevance

@miacat1727 5 ай бұрын

No reason for a film maker to be in this discussion either.

@tdurb0 5 ай бұрын

@@miacat1727 Yep very true

@manoo422 5 ай бұрын

The 'Behavioural Psychologist' (who has never met Bamber) says his actions are typical of a narcissistic personality disorder but completely ignores the fact they are EXACTLY the actions of a completely innocent person!! Apparently protesting your innocents is proof you are guilty, in her head!! No wonder there are appalling miscarriages of justice when this kind of 'expert' is allowed to interfere in the justice system!!

@ralphbrooks2132 5 ай бұрын

I don't think she had any role in the actual case, the trial or any of the sub sequent appeals. So in what way is she interfering in the justice system? She may be commenting about a case in which she dos not know the actors....but then aren't all of us who are posting a comment?

@miacat1727 2 ай бұрын

Behaviour psychologists are qualified to make ananlysis's of narcissist behaviour, it's their field of expertise, often relied upon in Court.

@abdell75roussos 5 ай бұрын

I wonder how many police logs from that era are inaccurate? i bet lots are out by a few minutes.

@user-gs6ib2nm1e 5 ай бұрын

They always spin it to suit whatever narrative they wish to convey at the time I really hope that the truth comes out in the end and justice is served

@cheriereeve8202 4 ай бұрын

If no silencer was used, why was it not simply reported that Sheila ‘ran upstairs’ and shot herself, and by that the police all would have heard without a doubt the gunshot? If that all happened, why would the police need to blame anyone else?

@cindyfaulkner5725 5 ай бұрын

How can this woman Joan make comment of a man she has never met

@nickyrowley3374 5 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I was thinking. Everything she has said is the same rhetoric you hear from any of the guilty brigade. She didn't even make up her own lies, just used others which made her look very unprofessional.

@cindyfaulkner5725 5 ай бұрын

@@nickyrowley3374 if you are going to diagnose someone with some personality issue the least you can do is to go and see them in person not just spout something you read in a book. Yes he acted a big strange after it all happened went stupid spending money but he had just lost his Mother, Father, 2 nephews and his sister not to sure how Ai would have behaved if my entire family was wiped out and I thought my sister was responsible. Some of the evidence I seem to remember can from his ex girlfriend. I think the whole case should be reviewed, police make mistakes Timothy John Evans, Barry George, Stefan Kiszko, the Birmingham 6, Winston Silcott, Angela Cannings, Sally Clark, There were a number of women found guilty of killing their babies by shaken death injuries, turned out the main Doctor expert testimony was all lies. That’s just a few there are probably many more, mistakes happen

@abdell75roussos 5 ай бұрын

Lots of single middle aged women think he is innocent. She is a criminal profiler. Her job.

@silverfern8970 5 ай бұрын

She's not making a comment on so.eone she's never met--she's making general comments on Narcissists.

@davidjma7226 5 ай бұрын

Experience perhaps?

@user-jv8pg2ug8o 5 ай бұрын

New evidence has come to light? I am so fed up of hearing those words. I thought a police officer saw someone lurking in the dark outside the farm? Has anyone bothered to investigate instead of blaming an innocent woman?

@marekohampton8477 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, they had a trail in 1985, and the innocent woman's brother was convicted, and has been in prison since. Do keep up.

@pamelacuthbert1722 5 ай бұрын

Of course I don’t know for certain if Bamber is innocent, but I do remember at the time of the trial, thinking that something was off & didn’t seem right. At the very least, if there’s a chance that he’s innocent, the case should be reviewed. Imagine sitting in prison for 38 years if you’re not guilty 😢

@anyawaleofondo 5 ай бұрын

You do know for certain and so do they. Wake up woman.

@pamelacuthbert1722 5 ай бұрын

@@anyawaleofondo Was that reply for me? I’m wide awake thanks - and at least I can keep an open mind about this. Do you know how many people get stuck in prison for crimes they didn’t actually commit?

@anyawaleofondo 5 ай бұрын

@@pamelacuthbert1722 You have a closed mind and you are very cheeky.

@pamelacuthbert1722 5 ай бұрын

@@anyawaleofondo Fortunately I couldn’t care less what you think of me 🤣🤣

@tonydiamond1875 4 ай бұрын

@@pamelacuthbert1722 Dear Pamela, the case WAS reviewed. Look up "Bamber Appeal report 2002" online. It's 150 pages of close detail proving that Bamber is guilty.

@ModernPict 5 ай бұрын

why should he show remorse if he's innocent ?

@CrueLoaf 5 ай бұрын

Losing your entire family … you’d show some kind of emotion at some point. Unlikely that you book a holiday as he did.

@Caz_2087 5 ай бұрын

They are not inferring remorse for guilt of murder, emotion, grief at his family's murders

@anyawaleofondo 5 ай бұрын

@@CrueLoafNope. Grow up.

@anyawaleofondo 5 ай бұрын

@@Caz_2087So?? He is innocent so can remorse how he likes.

@Caz_2087 5 ай бұрын

@@anyawaleofondo Make it make sense. If innocent what does he have to be remorseful for!!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

@debbieward9732 3 ай бұрын

The call log at 3:26 says under the highlighted part that the message was passed to cd by the son after the phone went dead. Little wonder ‘new evidence’ is not accepted by the courts.

@ChrisShortyAllen 5 ай бұрын

He wants to attribute this slaughter to a girl using a gun multiple times without a silencer? He fucked up. Back in the day times were not recorded with precision. Even his bird grassed him up.

@MsVanorak 4 ай бұрын

for 25k and being let off her own criminal activities scott free

@stephenedwards609 5 ай бұрын

You had me at 'the UK's most prolific crimes' at the beginning.

@BeesWaxMinder 5 ай бұрын

I can't help but believe that this TV psychologist thinks that she is better positioned to analyse someone she's never met than the professionals who actually DO interview people in prisons regularly 🤔

@burlyshorn 5 ай бұрын

Experts are the biggest narcissists with overblown opinions of themselves.

@BeesWaxMinder 4 ай бұрын

@@burlyshorn 👍

@saudade369 4 ай бұрын

We see. So many psychologists who dismiss people and the things they have said because their academic research says people do so and so .its also usually the research dont by others thirty years ago in a certain context that they seem will8ng to apply to every scenario . They seem to use the same psychological evidences for a multiple of things and people. As if because we are one species we all succumb to the same faults and behaviours when we know just from history how thing and people are never what we assume .if we apply generalizations however they may seem to answer questions , then we surely cause possible misrepresentations and great errors. I often wonder how many psychologists who have dismissed people who say they’ve seen a UFO , as misperceptions and hysteria etc , but now we have so many cameras on phones , how these hysterics have now suddenly disappeared , how do psychologists explain their willingness to diagnose people before ? Has hysteria suddenly been cured thst they seem to have stopped with their quick explanations of people’s claims ? Perhaps it’s a psychological trait to jump to easy dismissals with psychology, do they have research on themselves I wonder ? I hope I’ve made sense !

@BeesWaxMinder 4 ай бұрын

@@saudade369 it's not just psychologists either I have a newly married friend in hospital right now after being told by his GP/MD that the symptoms he is experiencing are entirely due to sudden depression even though, to me, a layman, they are obviously not Turns out he has bleeding on the brain and that if it was left untreated it could be fatal

@janetashton3718 5 ай бұрын

It's prison officers opinion who have looked after him all these years that I would be interested in I mean staff with years of experience not younger staff.

@CharlieCharlie881 5 ай бұрын

They agree he is guilty

@peteanderson4395 5 ай бұрын

A former prison officer who had dealings with him said he was an arrogant t++t....not a likable person at all...he thinks he's guilty

@andybt3989 5 ай бұрын

He told an officer he was in for murdering his family.

@janetashton3718 5 ай бұрын

@@andybt3989 that's what he would say even if guilty that is his charge .

@andybt3989 5 ай бұрын

@@janetashton3718 he admitted to the guard!

@MyMargo111 5 ай бұрын

Having a personality disorder does not make you a killer.

@charleswhite758 4 ай бұрын

No, but "normal" people tend not to get involved in crime.

@lucymooch5821 5 ай бұрын

Jo who, knows absolutely diddly squat about any of this or JB . I treat all Psychologists as guessers like Gypsy lady with the tea leaves. But somewhere the truth is going to be stranger than anyone could believe if it ever comes out. JB at the funeral was oscar winning though.

@ChoppingtonOtter 5 ай бұрын

They are always wise *after* the event. When all is already known.

@Man_fay_the_Bru 5 ай бұрын

Psychology is the easy course at uni& often filled with failed students of other subjects,it’s all nonsense

@jacquib256 5 ай бұрын

Why officer X? Name and shame... and really? He didn't lose his job - it'll lead to more behaviours seeing as he knows the law protects their own

@jonjames7328 4 ай бұрын

Here’s the inside track as I understand it from the criminal defence lawyer in my family: person hears of Bamber’s innocence, person gets involved in case, person then realises he’s guilty as hell, person extricates themself.

@MisterAndrewBuckley 5 ай бұрын

That psychologist is proving the point of reasonable doubt with her professional bias, she's clearly written her script and isn't deviating from it. She hasn't met him, she's not had access to psychological evaluation by a number of psychology and psychiatry professors who have evaluated Bamber over the decades he's been incarcerated, but dispute their findings; sight unseen. There should, at least be a review

@davidjma7226 5 ай бұрын

But.....did Police outside or inside the house hear the step sister shoot herself?

@steveblundell7766 5 ай бұрын

There is no evidence that any policeman heard a shot or even saw anybody moving about inside

@emmamorris2449 5 ай бұрын

The rifle was a .22 calibre and makes the sound of a sharp clap. Ballistic tests proved you wouldn’t have heard it from outside or another part of the house. The officer at the foot of the stairs nearest to the bedroom heard ‘a noise’ and called out for Sheila to make her whereabouts known. He never elaborated on what type of noise he heard.

@adamluck6439 3 ай бұрын

@@emmamorris2449Please may I ask where I can find this information. Many thanks

@personalcheeses8073 5 ай бұрын

I’ve never felt comfortable with the Bamber conviction

@simonlevett4776 5 ай бұрын

You'll get over it.

@JeremyLivitt-qn2io 5 ай бұрын

Such a good idea for talk TV to give him his own show. Really loving it.

@cherry20106 5 ай бұрын

There's absolutely no way on Gods green earth that this guy is getting out of jail.

@Enochsright 5 ай бұрын

Well said,

@anyawaleofondo 5 ай бұрын

Irrelevant.

@anyawaleofondo 5 ай бұрын

@@EnochsrightEh??

@user-tz7mz4gn7j 5 ай бұрын

Doesn't mean he should be in there to start with.

@patrickstevenson9775 5 ай бұрын

Thank heaven for that this guy is so guilty!

@aaronbodimeade9685 5 ай бұрын

I live 10 minutes from White House farm in tollshunt Darcy. I think something doesn’t add up either. Lots of corrupt police in them days also

@mollydarcey7148 5 ай бұрын

The police took a lot of the evidence including the furniture from the bedroom and allowed it to be put in a pile and be burnt, and why accept the first call from the father, but ignore that JB was outside the farmhouse when police saw someone moving around in the house, not to mention the ‘relatives’ finding the mark on the fireplace…how convenient

@ethan35387 5 ай бұрын

All bullshit. No call from Nevill. When police arrived they asked why Nevill didn't ring the police. It was a trick of the light Bamber accepted this at trial

@starryian007 5 ай бұрын

Molly Thats the standard Bamber defenders lines right there. Look deeper into those points and you'll find they were either twisted, exaggerated or non-existent. Bamber BURNED the clothes including the twins mattrasses, Your point about the call is a moot one, since only Bamber received this supposed call and he had every reason to lie about it. It never took place. If you read the autopsy you would have known that Nevill Bamber's jaw was shattered and he was unable to speak. The phone was carefully placed on the sideboard off of its receiver Moreover, Sheila’s DNA was not found on the silencer, Nevill , a powerful man of 6ft 4in, had a broken jaw and numerous abrasions when he died, suggesting a violent struggle. Sheila - no matter how demented Bamber tried to portray her as, was barely half Nevill's size and weight. He only had to fall on her to stop her. Sheila had no injuries other than two gunshot wounds to the throat, suggesting she could not have attacked her father.(Please read up on this)

@stevewilliams5428 5 ай бұрын

Police didn't see anyone moving around inside the house....It was Bamber who told them he had seen someone at a window and put the idea into their heads to start the whole 'seige' scenario and that Sheila had done it.

@starryian007 5 ай бұрын

Yup Spot on Steve.

@TomRogersOnline 5 ай бұрын

@mollydacrcey7148 There is more to it, as you must know.

@saudade369 5 ай бұрын

Has she seen these personality disorders in people who were accused and who were subsequently proven innocent ? wonder how many people assumed to be killers just because they had such traits ? It staggers me that we continually learn of police hiding evidence that would show innocence . What kind of people do we entrust with the finding of killers when they will do such things ?it’s as if they place greater importance in getting a conviction than actually finding the real killer and we hear this time and again . What kind of immoral unethical , person would think this is anyway right ?

@Vangough792 5 ай бұрын

His supposed grief at the funeral looks so fake. He’s a crap actor

@starryian007 5 ай бұрын

It was on VIDEO and on every News outlet broadcasting in 1985. He faked that emotion and according to those who were there, the moment he entered the hearse he stopped and was laughing and joking. So please stop talking crap.@@Nauysvyf

@lucymooch5821 5 ай бұрын

That Oscar winning performance got me thinking as well, has he just pulled off the big one.

@verairemonger1260 5 ай бұрын

Does that prove he killed them? You are a crap judge of character, but hey ho.

@verairemonger1260 5 ай бұрын

@@lucymooch5821 You were thinking? Is there any proof of that? There doesn't seem to be any evidence.

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

So because he can't act he's guilty of mass murder. 🤔 Ridiculous comment.

@julieviollet1657 5 ай бұрын

Very interesting. This is the first episode ai have seen, but look forward to watching others.

@edz619 5 ай бұрын

This is one that has never sat well with me. For a conviction it needs to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt and there is plenty of reasonable doubt on this one!!!

@kewsiyehboah9514 5 ай бұрын

Scary how many unsafe convictions are made..

@simonlevett4776 5 ай бұрын

The jury didn't think so.

@edz619 5 ай бұрын

@@simonlevett4776 Wow.. did you work that out all by yourself 🤔🙄

@astroterf. 5 ай бұрын

@@simonlevett4776they didn't have all the evidence so is it any wonder?

@paulis8107 4 ай бұрын

Sheila or Bamber did this. Sheila was forensically ruled out. It was proved in court that June was forensically more soiled with blood + other fluids than Sheila. Sheila did nothing.

@pigandrunt 5 ай бұрын

Peter cut that guy off as he was answering...turned to Jo who has sat there the whole time sour faced ....odd interview

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

Because he knows Bamber's guilty and doesn't suffer gullible members of the JBIC gladly.

@patcardiff2563 5 ай бұрын

I am so glad hanging was abolished in 1951 an innocent Somali man named mamood Hassan 13:49ers hung here in Cardiff and many years later was proved innocent he couldn’t even speak English he left a wife and three children look up on the internet

@lulabellegnostic8402 5 ай бұрын

PM of sheila showed she died from a gs to the head. So she ran up the stairs with a fatal gs, or she ran upstairs and shot herself but the police didn’t hear it. Yup.

@nickyrowley3374 5 ай бұрын

Who said she was shot at this point?

@starryian007 5 ай бұрын

The first gunshot would have incapacitated her. Sheila was NOT downstairs at all (The clean soles of her feet despite glass and sugar being all over the floor and not a drop of Nevills blood on her kind of put that to bed) The radio logs at the juncture made an error in wahat was later determined to be miscommunication between the Tactical Firearms Unit and those recording the logs.. What they had seen was in fact the body of Nevill@@steveblundell7766

@verairemonger1260 5 ай бұрын

You need to look more closely at the evidence that is now available. She was shot a 2nd time, the fatal shot, by bumbling firearms police when they broke in to the farm. You just believe what the media says, when they are know liars. The paperwork revealed in 2002 proves all of the police case was LIES.

@debramckay4611 5 ай бұрын

Wasn't It proven that It would have been impossible for Sheila to reach the trigger, let alone shoot herself twice

@melgrant7404 5 ай бұрын

Not impossible but unlikely according to experts.

@zagozago9893 5 ай бұрын

Not impossible, even with the sound moderator. But there were two sound moderators. Both were red herrings.

@abdell75roussos 5 ай бұрын

JB has many middle age single females. I knew of his GF and she said he did for sure, they omit her testimony.

@starryian007 5 ай бұрын

They were not red herrings. Sheila’s DNA was not found on the silencer, Nevill Bamber, a powerful man of 6ft 4in, had a broken jaw and numerous abrasions when he died, suggesting a violent struggle Incidentally Sheila supposedly shot herself TWICE. The first shot would have rendered her incapable of delivering the second. .@@zagozago9893

@williamrae9954 5 ай бұрын

SNP politician shot himself twice in the head...then ran down to the loch,to dispose of the gun,before returning to his car to die...always be wary of 'experts' with an agenda?

@mikedee1771 5 ай бұрын

Not for the first time in this case "new evidence" but anyone familiar with the case won't be buying it.

@zagozago9893 5 ай бұрын

That's because it's not ''new evidence''.

@yvonnehartley6837 5 ай бұрын

The CCRC will only look at submissions which contain new evidence of which there is an abundance they are considering

@helenallison1637 5 ай бұрын

Dreadful interview - biased towards the 'Bamber done it' theory. Who is Jo? She hadn't even met him, yet confidently diagnosed him as a personality disorder. Well maybe he is, but it doesn't make him a murderer. I remember thinking at the time that the evidence against him was weak. He was a cocky, arrogant 20 yr old and was going to inherit a lot of money. People didn't like, him and he didn't exactly help himself. Good luck to him, I hope he wins the appeal.

@narcdetester2102 5 ай бұрын

There was overwhelming evidence against him which came out in court. That is why the jury convicted him

@garypautard1069 5 ай бұрын

Sorry if I wrong but I saw a TV programme saying the kitchen carpet was removed and disposed of before a forensic team began their investigation.

@jamescatterall4832 5 ай бұрын

so mr bamber phoned the police and said your sister has gone crazy?

@levistubbs8949 5 ай бұрын

I think his girlfriend should be questioned.

@ChrisShortyAllen 5 ай бұрын

She knows he's guilty

@trishmarshall2371 4 ай бұрын

He was convicted mainly on his girlfriend Julie Mugford’s statement… she’s on the other side of the world now and I doubt she will retract it!

@michelleroberts-ez7ye 4 ай бұрын

@@trishmarshall2371 Sold her story to a paper.

@trishmarshall2371 4 ай бұрын

@@michelleroberts-ez7ye I know

@PamelaMacmillan-pc4rx Ай бұрын

How much baksheesh did she get.?

@irenetaylopr8041 5 ай бұрын

A narcissist will persuade themselves they are innocent.

@stephenholmes1036 5 ай бұрын

Ha ha not always and his sister had a far more dangerous mental illness

@zagozago9893 5 ай бұрын

@@steveblundell7766 She had threatened to kill herself and her children.

@manoo422 5 ай бұрын

...so everyone who IS innocent is a narcissist....!!?

@willowm9469 4 ай бұрын

The supposed call log shown at 11:20 is actually an internal police communication relaying the information from Jeremy's call. They know this, but they're still trying to pass it off as a call log.

@paulrichards6894 5 ай бұрын

Ex copper presenter has made his mind up he is guilty

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

... and he's right.

@paulrichards6894 5 ай бұрын

@@philgarlic8047 i probably agree with him but as a presenter you must be balanced

@bettyboop-xg6jo 5 ай бұрын

Fwiw, I also thought the conviction was unsafe. In any case, 40 years in prison is enough.

@user-ki1fx9vx7b 5 ай бұрын

In your view but it was clear as day to me, there was no way on gods earth that she shot herself as the weapon was far too long

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

Well it obviously wasn't too long, as that is exactly what she did.

@nickyrowley3374 5 ай бұрын

It has since been proven that she could have shot herself, even with either 'one of the 2 moderators' on, although we also now know that one wasn't attached at all.

@joeletaxi821 5 ай бұрын

If there was no silencer then the gun was not too long and she could have shot herself. However, if she had shot herself without a silencer then the shot would be heard outside by everyone. No sound was heard. There is doubt either way. If the girlfriends evidence is removed then there is no case against him and that alone makes this an unsafe conviction. This is really interesting so I might buy a book and read the evidence. I'm the same age as JB and I come from Essex. I remember it at the time but we are no 'farmy' people so had no connection to these types. I think there should be a retrial because, in the advent of new information, we might be more sure with the subsequent outcome.

@steveblundell7766 5 ай бұрын

@@joeletaxi821 The girlfriend's evidence is not the strongest evidence against Bamber, he damned himself when lied to the police about receiving a phone call from his father that his sister had a gun and had gone crazy. The phone call could not have happened, so how else would he know about potential gun murders at the farm unless he was responsible?

@joeletaxi821 5 ай бұрын

@@steveblundell7766 I thought it said it was confirmed that the father had called the son. The father also called Witham police station. Unless it was Bamber himself that made those calls. It’s confusing.

@SparkySteve. 5 ай бұрын

Hang on a minute, if no silencer was on the gun, they would have heard the rifle go off when sheila supposedly ran upstairs without anyone seeing her and shot herself No one reported a loud gunshot while they was searching the house. Which debunks the theory she was on the floor when the broke their way in. This guy is cherry picking clearly a coppers statement that thought he seen 2 people on the floor over no one literally hearing the last gunshot which killed sheila

@PamelaMacmillan-pc4rx Ай бұрын

Not necessarily, that gun has a very low sound.

@adamcollins915 5 ай бұрын

Surprising that neither Bamber or Nevill called 999.

@starryian007 5 ай бұрын

Nope He actually wasted precious time looking up the number. He thought that the local police would collect him (In the event they suggested that they meet him there)and take him to the farm where he would pull his 'shocked discovery moment' and attempt to sell the police found before them and make it apparent he wasn't present at the farm. Thats why.@@Nauysvyf

@CharlieCharlie881 5 ай бұрын

He didn't get a chance too

@adamcollins915 5 ай бұрын

@@Nauysvyf Chelmsford was over 20 miles away.

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

Not surprising at all in the 80's. Local police numbers were generally kept by the phone and only 4 digits long, a good possibility that if it was a more modern phone the number would have been stored, as Neville was a local magistrate. Plus it's irrelevant anyway as the cars would still have been dispatched from the same locations.

@adamcollins915 5 ай бұрын

@@Nauysvyf Why would a magistrate know the number of a police station over 20 miles away? Nevill would just take the rifle off Sheila.

@cromwellsghost3434 4 ай бұрын

16:05 you have to be careful with psychologists. She listed some traits, Charming Articulate Puts his case forward. In her head and world that = narcissist/psychopath Because these people are determined to detect these things. The problem is anyone who presents well, and talks well can fall into these categories. The traits and definitions of these groups is so broad you can fit almost anyone into these categories. I do presentations verbally, I use humour to relax people. And ask the audience questions to keep them engaged. I’m articulate, I use different types of language depending on the audience, or the point I’m trying to make. It’s my job, I’m not a narc, but 2 hours in a room with this lady and you’re 80% likely to be labelled one or something else.

@PeterMurrayComedyCam 5 ай бұрын

This case has a number of concerning aspects, and a fresh look at it bearing in mind again so much new evidence has now been released.

@simonlevett4776 5 ай бұрын

What new evidence ?

@pisgah2715 5 ай бұрын

How can you diagnose someone without meeting them? It's not possible. I am not happy that the conviction in his case was sound.

@denisehay8895 5 ай бұрын

Thank God we don't have the death penalty,

@yvonnelashford2969 5 ай бұрын

I think forty years in prison would be worse.

@starryian007 5 ай бұрын

He's guilty

@williamrae9954 5 ай бұрын

Not a DP case...only use it for those caught red handed,like Robert Black and Lee Rigby's killers! Idiots confuse these cases!

@verairemonger1260 5 ай бұрын

@@starryian007 No, he's not. And there is no evidence of his guilt. Otherwise the police would have used it at his trial, instead of manufacturing a load of bs with the help of the family, who couldn't wait to get their greedy mits on all the loot. Hope you're never on a jury.

@steveblundell7766 5 ай бұрын

@@verairemonger1260 There is evidence of his guilt, he claimed to have recieved a phone call from his father telling him his sister 'has a gun' and 'has gone crazy.' This phone call could not have happened, so how else would he know about potential gun murders at the farm unless he did them himself?

@Posie-hg1ze 5 ай бұрын

How did she shoot herself more than once🤔

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

She didn't, Bamber did.

@Posie-hg1ze 5 ай бұрын

@@philgarlic8047 obviously! There’s no way she committed those murders.

@darrenjones7607 5 ай бұрын

Embarrassing show , you never give those guys a chance . Everyone knows the corruption that has gone on over the years. Can you imagine them admitting they got this one wrong. It’s too big , it will cost them millions in compensation. It really sounds like they have some good evidence here . But I’ll bet anything it’ll make no difference.

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

Essex Police didn't get it wrong. Bamber was, is and always will be guilty, end of.

@darrenjones7607 5 ай бұрын

@@philgarlic8047 ex copper or mason ? What a ridiculous comment

@2msvalkyrie529 4 ай бұрын

There are dozens of lawyers and journalists who would love to get any evidence of a miscarriage of justice . And yet these clowns fail to produce it ..?? Why not ?!?

@johnleech777 5 ай бұрын

Lights going on and off ? Curtains opening and closing ? Where’s that evidence . Sheila was obviously a 15 stone wrestler to harm her dad in that way .

@BeesWaxMinder 5 ай бұрын

11:20 - this is a log of JB's call to the cops NOT his fathers...🙄 is there anyone who has any links for any documents supporting phone calls made to the police or anyone FROM the farmhouse at any time in a 24 hour period around the murders, please? Thanks in advance

@PamelaMacmillan-pc4rx Ай бұрын

Apparently logs show father did call cops, saw the log writing, in documentary.

@chrisbevis7725 5 ай бұрын

Police that hid evidence need to go to jail for every year this man did in jail!

@kenirving5240 5 ай бұрын

Blimey, if ever there’s been a case of ‘once a copper always a copper’. Talk about leading questions!

@GlennPowell-ls3lg 5 ай бұрын

Hence the 'no comment' advice during interview.

@user-eb3vu6hl1v 5 ай бұрын

I remember this case well as we lived pretty close to the scene at the time

@darksideofthemoon317 5 ай бұрын

this show its awesome i love it ❤

@dawnhauton7543 5 ай бұрын

Why would you show remorse if you didnt do it.......

@manoo422 5 ай бұрын

Exactly, heads they win, tails you lose!!

@narcdetester2102 5 ай бұрын

I think they really mean empathy/emotion. He has shown none whatsoever, I believe he is a dangerous man

@manoo422 5 ай бұрын

@@narcdetester2102He seemed pretty distressed and emotional at the funeral.

@narcdetester2102 5 ай бұрын

@@manoo422 Not to me he didn't. Play acting all the way. His expressions have never changed every time I have seen him on film

@CarlWalton-zs1dm 4 ай бұрын

how can a person show remorse if he his innocent

@johnearle1394 4 ай бұрын

Never sat easy with me bamber conviction my gut feeling is he didn't do the awful crimes after listening to different evidence over the yrs

@adamcollins915 5 ай бұрын

There are over 200 pieces of evidence against Bamber. Both forensic and circumstantial. Supporters dispute one piece - the silencer. Because the relatives handed it in.

@CharlieCharlie881 5 ай бұрын

@@Nauysvyf There was one

@verairemonger1260 5 ай бұрын

You are wrong, and clearly haven't LOOKED at the evidence, or you would KNOW he is totally innocent. You just keep believing the same old rubbish from the 1986 trial which contains NO evidence of his guilt. The evidence of his INNOCENCE is what they kept hidden till 2002. Along with all the stuff they illegally BURNED. And along with all the crime scene photos they STILL won't disclose, despite 3 court orders to do so. You haters are so keen to keep him inside aren't you. Why? What are you afraid of? Being proved WRONG?

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

@adamcollins. Not sure where you got that information from, but their was no forensic evidence against him. Even if you was right their is evidence proving he didn't do it running into the 1000's. But 2 very compelling pieces will clear him. The fact that he was outside and the police spoke by phone to someone inside and the fact that Sheila was on the kitchen floor when police checked before entering and upstairs dead in the bedroom when they searched the upstairs approximately 25 minutes after entry.

@CharlieCharlie881 5 ай бұрын

@@Nauysvyf Nope wrong ,do your research

@astroterf. 5 ай бұрын

If you think supporters only mention the silencer, you definitely haven't done your homework!

@janetmcnichol-fowler4904 5 ай бұрын

I have always said that he didn’t kill the family, but other family members who wanted the house and money for themselves. Police ignored a lot of information and strange how other family members "came across" evidence.

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

Say what you want, but Bamber was rightly convicted for disposing of five family members to get his inheritance well before it was due. Not even his two six-year-old nephews were going to stand in his way.

@christinestanding 3 ай бұрын

and, "other family members "came across" evidence' following a police search...so we are led to believe that the police missed this vital piece of evidence but "other family members " found it once the police had left?

@almklit Ай бұрын

and fought hard to make sure other family members did not to keep it for themselves.

@rosemaryjohn1309 5 ай бұрын

I have followed this case and given to his fund and read the book and it is such a unsafe conviction, saddest thing of all is that Jeremy’s parents got married and he has brothers and sisters and they moved over seas he should have been returned to them as a child what a difference his life could have been so so sad, 😢😢

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

Then I'm afraid you've been misled.

@mabbrey 3 ай бұрын

cops botched the crime scene didn't help

@davidgraham6434 5 ай бұрын

First of all, Bamber is definitely a very dislikeable character, but there is no question, there are huge question marks over the investigation, there was some dodgy behaviour from the in-laws, who had a lot to gain from Bambers conviction

@almklit Ай бұрын

Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour and David Boutflour could be.

@widdershins4778 5 ай бұрын

Razor smith, yammy b was in jail at the same time as him. Both convinced of his guilt by his own actions. Guilty as sin.

@annabelladebonnay8320 4 ай бұрын

Jeremy's Uncle 'discovered' a silencer in a cupboard.........?????????? The Police did not...!!!!!!

@philgarlic8047 4 ай бұрын

The police weren't looking for a silencer/moderator because the senior detective in charge, having seen the bare rifle on SC's body, instantly decided that it was an open and shut case of four murders and a suicide. Bamber's cousin, David Boutflour, found the moderator, not his uncle.

@almklit Ай бұрын

@@philgarlic8047 Did they fit him up I wonder.

@user-il1nj7gu1c 5 ай бұрын

As I read the comments to this awful program, I would like to say finally, there is a lot of screwed on people in this chat room who can see right through the bullshit of this program

@zoe486 5 ай бұрын

I know someone who new Bamber very well. He was convinced Bamber had the wear withal to make out he did not do it but he did do it.

@ethan35387 5 ай бұрын

Interesting. Any more information? What makes him think this?

@simonlevett4776 5 ай бұрын

'Wear withal' ?

@patriciakelly2714 5 ай бұрын

Hopefully if Bamber is not guilty then he will be released and be compensated.

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

He isn't innocent, no doubt about it.

@stirlingmoss9637 5 ай бұрын

No points for stating the obvious.

@simonlevett4776 5 ай бұрын

Michael Stone is the person that should be released.

@kewsiyehboah9514 5 ай бұрын

Scary Wonder How Many Unsafe Convictions Are Out There.. ?

@plantagenant 5 ай бұрын

I don't know if he's innocent or not, but I did hear an ex prisoner who had spent quite a bit of time in HM prison and he stated that the majority of prisoners in the system who knew Bamber were of the opinion that he was innocent. No proof but I'd trust the inmates to have a "feel" for the guilt of somebody.

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

Why has my reply been removed?!!!

@MARKKY2727 5 ай бұрын

What about the personality of the sister .....not mentioned

@manoo422 5 ай бұрын

She was pretty therefore couldnt possibly have done it.

@jwsuicides8095 5 ай бұрын

I spoke with her just before the murders and she was a complete mess mentally, not able to function.

@ryand141 5 ай бұрын

They did mention her and her state.

@winstonsmith8240 5 ай бұрын

'I'd rather 9 guilty people go free, than 1 innocent man be convicted.'

@steveblundell7766 5 ай бұрын

As long as those 9 people didn't include Bamber ... his crimes really were the worst

@winstonsmith8240 5 ай бұрын

@@steveblundell7766 I have to be honest and say I know very little of this case so I'm not in a position to confer guilt or innocence. It's just a principle that I adhere to for humanitarian reasons. (And I'm not a whooly liberal).

@Maxie19699 5 ай бұрын

Even if those people created more victims?

@mickymoz1 5 ай бұрын

so 9 murderers go free to save one innocent man?

@charleswhite758 4 ай бұрын

What if those 9 guilty people were serial killers of schoolgirls?

@Lamvesp 5 ай бұрын

Talk Redio should bring back Police 5.... keep 'em peeled, as Shaw Taylor used to say.

@joedennehy386 5 ай бұрын

Even if she was alive he could have shot her, but she didn't die instantly. Faulty logic

@todtiger 5 ай бұрын

Behavioural Psychologists are a waste of oxygen

@peteanderson4395 5 ай бұрын

Totally agree... would they of picked up on Peter Sutcliffe??? described by his boss and work mates as a good solid worker and bloke.....

@marekohampton8477 5 ай бұрын

@@peteanderson4395 Who was nicknamed "The Yorkshire Ripper" by said workmates, apparently. 😆

@peteanderson4395 5 ай бұрын

@@marekohampton8477 I didn't know that...... thanks for telling me that

@anyawaleofondo 5 ай бұрын

Nope, just this one.

@panpiper3506 5 ай бұрын

Bamber is as guilty as hell! I am convinced of that beyond any shadow of a doubt

@emmamorris2449 5 ай бұрын

On what basis?

@SuperBluegirl2 4 ай бұрын

What was the point of that psychologist being involved?

@alexsmith-gn4tp 5 ай бұрын

The very relatives that financially benefited from his convictions were the ones pushing his guilt ! Sadly, even if he IS innocent I doubt that he'll ever get out.

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

Because they KNEW he was guilty. Bamber had previous form - a failed drug deal in NZ frittering away £5000 of his parents' hard-earned cash; stealing two Cartier watches to give to his girlfriends from a Jeweler in same location; burgling Osea Caravan Park of £980 on the false premise that he was doing the family a favour by drawing attention to lax security.

@user-xv9yc4wb2x 5 ай бұрын

Examine the bullet trajectories in the walls...the room is pretty much untouched. They will indicate the height of the shooter. Case closed. Neville's trousers were pulled down in a humiliation style ritual, a very telling psychological detail. The killer knew Neville and had a severe personal animus toward him. Sheila wouldn't have done that, nor did she hate Nev. Also, if she was going on a gun rampage, I kind of think she'd put her knickers on!

@davepenton4137 5 ай бұрын

You need to look up as to how Neville's pajamas were down. You also need to read all the reports and information about Sheila's, mental health and what had gone on in the months prior to the murders.

@lizmacleod8903 5 ай бұрын

@@davepenton4137 To fully understand Sheilas mental health reports, one needs specialist knowledge in understanding it.

@MsVanorak 4 ай бұрын

he'd been dragged about by his shoulders and posed. it dragged his trews down and made a burn mark. sheila had been dragged about and posed too.

@davepenton4137 4 ай бұрын

@MsVanorak yes by the police, if you look at the crime scene photos you will see that the photos change (position of bodies) from 1st to last. It's been found the burn mark was Neville was originally leaning against the AGA.

@MsVanorak 4 ай бұрын

@@davepenton4137 it was harvest time/summer so why would the aga be lit? they surely had an emersion heater system for hot water and there was a free standing electric cooker in the kitchen if i remember rightly.

@Leo-dr4qm 5 ай бұрын

How can she call anyone a narcissist look at her face

@ecosse1982 5 ай бұрын

You have the right to remain watching!

@philgarlic8047 5 ай бұрын

... but anything you say will be taken down and may be given in evidence.

@mandibottley7308 2 ай бұрын

I didn't have the best relationship with my mum (a narc), & stood to inherit alot of money but i didn't want to put a bullet in her - i'm no professional, but if Bamber is a narc, then the limelight he was thrust in to - all attention on him (narcs love attention) would surely over power any other emotions he should be feeling? Why has no-one reported gun fire if she shot herself when everyone was there - another case that the police needed to have an arrest

@angusmurray3767 4 ай бұрын

It's very unlikely that Julie Mugford would have perjured herself to the extent of sending Bamber to prison for life merely for being jilted. And if Bamber, who numerous people said he hated his adoptive parents, had said what she claimed about intending to murder them and implying the deed was done on the day of the murders, then we can be very sure he's guilty. He had motive means and opportunity and no alibi. The idea that Neville could not have disarmed Sheila in a struggle is preposterous. Bamber's pretended grief at the funeral was evidenced by his partying afterwards. Those who say he is innocent are unbelievably naive.

@PamelaMacmillan-pc4rx Ай бұрын

Money and rejection.