Who Are You Choosing? Van Persie v Van Nistelrooy | Prime Aguero v Prime Suarez | Cantona v Bergkamp

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Rio Ferdinand Presents FIVE

Rio Ferdinand Presents FIVE

Күн бұрын

Welcome back to the FIVE KZfaq channel!
Today we have a brand new episode of This or That. Rio, Joel and Ste discuss some of the biggest head to heads in football! Maradona or Pele, prime Gerrard or prime Lampard, Messi or Ronaldo to clutch up in the last 10 minutes? All this and more in today’s episode of This or That!
Let us know your answers in the comments below! Also, make sure to check out this weeks episode of Vibe with FIVE - • Rio Breaks Down Arsena...
0:00; - Intro
0:19; - Cantona or Bergkamp?
2:41; - Arsenal Alexis or Liverpool Coutinho?
3:10; - Pele or Maradona?
3:54; - Prime Wenger or Prime Klopp?
4:30; - Last minute penalty to win, Benzema or Lewandowski?
4:55; - Prime Van Persie or Prime Van Nistelrooy?
6:45; - Prime Gerrard or Prime Lampard?
8:10; - Buffon or Casillas?
8:50; - Saka or Foden?
9:01; - Haaland or Skinhead Rooney?
11:24; - Prime Aguero or Prime Suarez?
12:23; - Clutch Ronaldo or Clutch Messi?
15:11; - Outro
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@5magazine
@5magazine Жыл бұрын
0:00; - Intro 0:19; - Cantona or Bergkamp? 2:41; - Arsenal Alexis or Liverpool Coutinho? 3:10; - Pele or Maradona? 3:54; - Prime Wenger or Prime Klopp? 4:30; - Last minute penalty to win, Benzema or Lewandowski? 4:55; - Prime Van Persie or Prime Van Nistelrooy? 6:45; - Prime Gerrard or Prime Lampard? 8:10; - Buffon or Casillas? 8:50; - Saka or Foden? 9:01; - Haaland or Skinhead Rooney? 11:24; - Prime Aguero or Prime Suarez? 12:23; - Clutch Ronaldo or Clutch Messi? 15:11; - Outro
@jedsithor
@jedsithor Жыл бұрын
Cantona Alexis Maradona Wenger Benzema Van Nistelrooy Lampard Casillas Saka Rooney Aguero Ronaldo.
@hdmania4704
@hdmania4704 Жыл бұрын
Messi made your clutch player cry frustrated and devastated in el classico 2017 when Messi scored 93rd minute winner 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@preetjitsingh328
@preetjitsingh328 Жыл бұрын
Cantona, Coutinho, pele and maradona different positions; #9 Vs #10, Wenger, Benzema, rvp and rvn different again; Buffon; Saka; Haaland and Rooney different again; aguero; CR7 any day.
@preetjitsingh328
@preetjitsingh328 Жыл бұрын
Add Gerrard as well
@nikosofidemporas
@nikosofidemporas Жыл бұрын
The clutch Ronaldo narrative is so pushed by media and fanboys and literally is not close to the reality. At the very least they are at the same clutchness level.
@keiron.4612
@keiron.4612 Жыл бұрын
Van nistelrooy was unbelievable
@TheKondinho
@TheKondinho Жыл бұрын
he was elite, just a bit unfortunate he was in the same era as Henry
@haimainjauo242
@haimainjauo242 Жыл бұрын
But was he fantastiķ?
@DonaldBlake287
@DonaldBlake287 Жыл бұрын
@@TheKondinho Agreed, if Van Nistelrooy hadn’t been there Henry would’ve been considered the best striker in the prem
@TheKondinho
@TheKondinho Жыл бұрын
@@DonaldBlake287 hahaha
@Slaphappy1975
@Slaphappy1975 Жыл бұрын
In 02/03 Ruud scored 44 goals in 52 games for United. At the time, that was beyond insane 🔥
@espenkaligrebrof9682
@espenkaligrebrof9682 Жыл бұрын
Prime Van Persie or Prime Van Nistelrooy? Van Persie isn't even close. Stupid question!
@nikosofidemporas
@nikosofidemporas Жыл бұрын
Yeah he was insane. He actually was the top scorer in UCL, PL and FA cup. I think not many if none have ever done this. But Van Persie overall as a player was a bit better in his prime (2010-2013). All time is Ruud though.
@espenkaligrebrof9682
@espenkaligrebrof9682 Жыл бұрын
@@nikosofidemporas Overall he was not better. I have no idea why Rio is saying this. He has also about 15 touches per game. United also scored more goals and had more passes overall with Ruud in the side
@jonathanchatziliadis2019
@jonathanchatziliadis2019 Жыл бұрын
Also according to the interview he did with Vibe... He said, he was aiming for the golden boot but SAF benched him cause we lost the league that year and there was no point playing on the last few games
@espenkaligrebrof9682
@espenkaligrebrof9682 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanchatziliadis2019 Maybe Ferguson was secret RM-admirer? Both Ruud and Becks ;) And Gabriel Heinze too! :P
@MrRossitron
@MrRossitron Жыл бұрын
No doubting RVP but prime Ruud was something special. Up there as one of my all time favourite Utd players.
@edtcreative
@edtcreative Жыл бұрын
RVN was like watching Haaland in the box. You just knew when the ball got to him, 90% of the time it was a goal
@steefoos
@steefoos Жыл бұрын
Bergkamp was RvP mentor
@MikeMUFC91
@MikeMUFC91 Жыл бұрын
@@edtcreative He was better than Haaland.
@telekoadmasu
@telekoadmasu Жыл бұрын
Maybe you don't know how good rvp was lol, u saw only the finishing, rvp can play 7,10,11 and 9 very well, so rvp will be a better choice if u see that perspective
@MrRossitron
@MrRossitron Жыл бұрын
@teleko admasu oh I do know how good he was. I really do. And I am not taking anything from is immense abilities and talent. Watching football for 40 years. I simply have a preference for Ruud. Its OK if you have a preference for RVP. Thats your perogative
@redmc3614
@redmc3614 Жыл бұрын
Rudd
@theoddflick3390
@theoddflick3390 Жыл бұрын
Bergkamp produced magical moments at all levels. Goals against Newcastle, Leicester, Argentina, the grimey assist for Freddie vs Juventus off the top of my head.
@StringerBellz
@StringerBellz Жыл бұрын
Man that assist for Freddie was just filth💥,yes it was Juve in the champions league
@4C1DR4G3
@4C1DR4G3 Жыл бұрын
ruud was scoring 52 goals a season before ronaldo and messi made it known. Ruud was always the best finisher i've ever seen, last moments of the game needing a goal Ruud was your man.
@Primitive01
@Primitive01 Жыл бұрын
No he wasn’t.. He scored 41, 32, 36, 44 then 30… He may have scored 50 odd for club and country but never just his club, Ronaldo and Messi were scoring 50-70 just for their clubs.
@chriswolf1089
@chriswolf1089 Жыл бұрын
@@Primitive01 yeah but he was scoring 40+ goals for a premier league team which is harder than La Liga in the late 2000-2018
@4C1DR4G3
@4C1DR4G3 Жыл бұрын
@@Primitive01 you're arguing over me pressing 4 instead of 5 lol why are you so triggered? mummy not hug you enough.
@Primitive01
@Primitive01 Жыл бұрын
@@4C1DR4G3 I’m not arguing about anything but alright.. “Triggered”, “lol”, talking like a 12 year old girl, you still get hugs from mummy?
@gouravghosh588
@gouravghosh588 Жыл бұрын
@@chriswolf1089 He didn't score 40+ goals in the league. That was his overall tally for the season, which includes cup matches
@OliverJamesReed
@OliverJamesReed Жыл бұрын
As a dutchman I am so proud of all the ruthless finishers we produced over the years. At the same time I feel so sad our national squad didn't qualify for the WC 2002 with a phenomenal team of Ruud v Nistelrooy, Bergkamp, Stam, van der Sar, de Boer etc. We had a big chance winning it if we were in
@marksullivan6329
@marksullivan6329 Жыл бұрын
And continuing with our Dutch tradition with our Man Erik.We want to see beautiful football,and it's coming.
@corbuzchristi365
@corbuzchristi365 9 ай бұрын
Kluivert in his prime was insane too!
@RG-rb6om
@RG-rb6om 7 ай бұрын
If 😂
@MaximilianXXX
@MaximilianXXX 7 ай бұрын
Bergkamp had already retired from international football after Euro 2000
@Kprdz90
@Kprdz90 Жыл бұрын
This is the most banging football KZfaq channel. Rio's mad insight from the game, Ste's cutting choice of words and Joel as the counterweight to the both of them. All works so well.
@King_Cantona7
@King_Cantona7 Жыл бұрын
Ruud Suarez Cantona
@LoyalFan9383
@LoyalFan9383 Жыл бұрын
Suarez is first
@King_Cantona7
@King_Cantona7 Жыл бұрын
@@LoyalFan9383 it's not a list? watch the show mate, was a pick between two players and these are the ones I picked from the ones mentioned.
@jedsithor
@jedsithor Жыл бұрын
@@King_Cantona7 Also, given your username, if it wasn't a list I doubt you'd have put the King in third lol
@King_Cantona7
@King_Cantona7 Жыл бұрын
@@jedsithor We had players come and go at United but till this day I haven't seen a player who captivated the fans like Eric did. My personal no.1 but that's no discredit to Bergkamp he was astonishing in his own right.
@nicknewman7848
@nicknewman7848 Жыл бұрын
Same.. they are all close calls but I agree
@aaronagnew3443
@aaronagnew3443 Жыл бұрын
Prime Ruud
@FuncleB
@FuncleB Жыл бұрын
RUUD, all day long. RVP is class but Ruud was my striker at United. Loved seeing Beckham cross for him. I was at the 'Battle of Old Trafford' and forever felt protective of Ruud. Top guy.
@hoaxbusterhodler9676
@hoaxbusterhodler9676 Жыл бұрын
Obviously rvp at the TIME he was there 74 goals 26 assist in the 101 matches he played in the 2 seasons he was at man utd. Also yall seem to forget that RVP could score from ANY range and ANY angle unlike RVN, maybe RVN was more clinical in the box over all the years? But clearly not the best striker in general
@topbins1391
@topbins1391 Жыл бұрын
Both devastating finishers in their prime, but I’m going Van Persie. As Rio said, he was the total package. Ruud was a more inside-the-box finisher, but was slightly limited outside the box. Van Persie could score from anywhere, and he was an exceptional dribbler with breathe-taking skills. He also had probably the best technique/form I have ever seen out of any footballer ever. You can compare numbers, but remember that RVP was riddled with injuries throughout his entire career, which hurt his numbers. Also, the year Ruud scored 44 goals, he had a much better “team” around him than Van Persie in 2012 and 2013
@tcsingh100
@tcsingh100 Жыл бұрын
brilliant, brilliant show gents Ste going in on gerrard and lampard is too funny. thank you for this guys. wonderful content
@mufasaisalive5031
@mufasaisalive5031 Жыл бұрын
Ruud Van Nistelrooy all day long. The man made me fall in love with United. What a striker should be. Tall, Strong, quick, clever, left foot, right foot, headers, side foot, power shots, scruffy goals etc. Suarez over Agüero all day every day. The man was a maverick in that Liverpool team. Could do it all. Bergkamp over Cantona for me, as a footballer. Just magic, not that Cantona wasn't BUT Bergkamp glided through the pitch. Buffon over Casillas, surely this shouldn't be argued. Gerrard over Lampard for me, just a better footballer and had far more attributes and he evolved as time progressed as well.
@nickycadogan
@nickycadogan Жыл бұрын
There was only ever one answer to the Gerrard/Lanpard question.......Scholes 😂
@duckers5120
@duckers5120 Жыл бұрын
It's Gerrard, only people who think it's Scholes are deluded United fans, the streets know
@benitotommassi5820
@benitotommassi5820 Жыл бұрын
@@duckers5120 "the streets". Hahahaha. Ask those who know what they're talking about, the answer is nearly always Scholes. The streets know? Haha, nice one 👍
@nickycadogan
@nickycadogan Жыл бұрын
@@duckers5120 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@car9melo
@car9melo Жыл бұрын
Scholes is easily third, the most overrated england player of all time
@benitotommassi5820
@benitotommassi5820 Жыл бұрын
@@car9melo you must be from "the streets" 😆
@kiancoleman04
@kiancoleman04 Жыл бұрын
Stes constant digs at Lampard and Gerrard are so fucking good man🤣🤣
@FDAR786
@FDAR786 Жыл бұрын
Gerrard vs lampard wasn't even close. Rio's mates with lampard and ste hates Liverpool so biased. I'm a united fan and could see Gerrard was streets ahead as a player.
@derekngum4675
@derekngum4675 Жыл бұрын
Great job guys. I always look forward to watching your contents.
@shifty4640
@shifty4640 Жыл бұрын
Welldone guys @ five.. This is the content we want. Special shout out to Ste.. This is why I like you.. Keep it up bru.
@tleon9613
@tleon9613 Жыл бұрын
Joel: what ronaldo was doing for Portugal in Euro 2016 Blanks against: France Poland Croatia Austria Iceland Scores against: Wales Hungary What a performance.
@jahjah5407
@jahjah5407 Жыл бұрын
He played well in those games and he barely even played against France because he got hurt and Portugal wasn’t even good in that tournament they just got lucky and Ronaldo played a big part in it
@nikosofidemporas
@nikosofidemporas Жыл бұрын
They forget CR7 has only 3 goals and 2 assists in major international tournament knockouts (which came in Euros since he has 0 and 0 in WCs). On the other hand, Messi has 10 goals and 18 assists (5 and 6 in WC and the other in Copa America). They also forget that Messi has been way better in finals stat wise and not stat wise (since he has played way better in clutch games when not scoring opposed to CR7 who always relied on scoring). Messi has also been better in their games vs each other especially in their big UCL meetings or in important Clasicos. The only argument for CR7 is his better UCL knockout stats and big goals but Messi also has many of them. And stats don't always paint the whole picture since f.e. CR7 has better UCL final stats but he has not performed great overall since in most finals (2014,2016,2018) he was bad to mediocre at best.
@rayanelmakhokhi1776
@rayanelmakhokhi1776 Жыл бұрын
@@nikosofidemporas 2016,17,18 Ronaldo was one of the most clutch players ever in ucl, 55 goal contributions in 38 games. Please respect. Ronaldo has same amount of ucl finals goals in one game then messi in 4 ucl finals.
@nikosofidemporas
@nikosofidemporas Жыл бұрын
@@rayanelmakhokhi1776 So what? Messi has also 2 more WC final goals in one game than Ronaldo has in WC knockouts. And Messi does not depend only in goals, his 2011 UCL final performance, that he scored only once, was way better than any CR7 final performance ever. And I did not say CR7 was not clutch in UCL in some periods but his "clutcheness" is being overrated by fanboys and media compared to Messi and that is fact.
@Terraglotte
@Terraglotte Жыл бұрын
Love the way they were all just casually saying Skinhead Rooney with a straight face 🤣
@brodogoks2526
@brodogoks2526 Жыл бұрын
Clutch as well. Like a guy like me is meant to know what that means
@ameyagokhale5123
@ameyagokhale5123 Жыл бұрын
I mean... Was there ever a doubt. That unholy freak of nature was just Top weren't he
@joetyler7638
@joetyler7638 Жыл бұрын
Is he really a skinhead before 😆
@cholachilufya7072
@cholachilufya7072 Жыл бұрын
Cantona
@MohsinKhan9
@MohsinKhan9 Жыл бұрын
Fiiiiive Cantonaaaaa's
@Danny-iv5uu
@Danny-iv5uu Жыл бұрын
You have to get the ball to Haaland, Rooney would come get it and grab games by the neck. Pure animal
@DirtyJamesUK
@DirtyJamesUK Жыл бұрын
True, Rooney was a beast! But his numbers for a striker were nowhere near Haaland.
@Danny-iv5uu
@Danny-iv5uu Жыл бұрын
@@DirtyJamesUK I agee, I just think Rooney adds way more to a team with workrate, passing, assists, aggression and technique. Man literally sacrificed his game for ruud van persie and Ronaldo. He assisted them all to be golden boot winners
@mattlyons4948
@mattlyons4948 Жыл бұрын
Skinhead Rooney part had me in stitches.. wazza was next level.
@tonylomas9773
@tonylomas9773 Жыл бұрын
This or That is a great feature and always love Rio’s insights and stories. I still wonder how he felt in the Utd vs Real game on 03 when R9 got a hat trick and an ovation
@shawnpowell7223
@shawnpowell7223 Жыл бұрын
Great content as always!!
@Hhammer
@Hhammer Жыл бұрын
Rio just reminding you that Messi also scored a hatrick in a last game qualifier for Argentina vs Ecuador when Argentina needed it badly.
@Mysticzzz917
@Mysticzzz917 Жыл бұрын
Ibra made the Portugal game competitive mind reminding me who made Ecuador look good ?
@nikosofidemporas
@nikosofidemporas Жыл бұрын
@@Mysticzzz917 The fact that Argentina was miserable without Messi. That is what made Ecuador good. Don't forget that Ecuador got the lead and Messi scored 3 great goals (not just team goals that were produced through the others as well) to change history.
@Mysticzzz917
@Mysticzzz917 Жыл бұрын
@@nikosofidemporas Messi back then would improve any team I’m just saying Sweden Portugal was toughhhh man Sweden would slap Ecuador they was decent side back then drawing world champ beating England and so on
@vhakanisithuga
@vhakanisithuga Жыл бұрын
I love this Show!!!! SKinHead Rooney was always a problem😅
@ToLateToTrifecta
@ToLateToTrifecta Жыл бұрын
Skinhead Rooney is the best way ive heard someone's prime labelled
@jarredpillay6196
@jarredpillay6196 Жыл бұрын
Do more of these type videos. Amazing
@WallieTheRed
@WallieTheRed 8 ай бұрын
"oh I've got an emotional attachment" 😂😂
@VishJR07
@VishJR07 Жыл бұрын
loving this series
@sirsp00n
@sirsp00n Жыл бұрын
Defo more of these 👌 maybe stuff like 'watch a game in this country/that country' or 'play at this club/that club' so we can clip up Ste 😂
@leedeardenMUFC
@leedeardenMUFC Жыл бұрын
Don't ask stupid question, I love RVP but Ruuuuuuud Cantona
@FootkerSnookball
@FootkerSnookball 8 ай бұрын
That's what I was thinking all round.
@nissangharti1615
@nissangharti1615 Жыл бұрын
Best show. Do more of this
@K.H.7208
@K.H.7208 Жыл бұрын
Ruud and Van Persie were different players but equally amazing. Van Persie had more flair and could create something on the pitch more dynamically. Ruud was a goalscoring machine with great technical ability and intelligence in the box. Van Persie would give you a more beautiful goal, but Ruud would give you more goals overall. Based on their careers, I’d take Ruud as he was more consistent and less injury prone as well! (Let’s not forget he went to La Liga and dominated there too).
@dremoodgaming4352
@dremoodgaming4352 Жыл бұрын
Lovely topic 👌
@merengue7139
@merengue7139 Жыл бұрын
Bro they say skinhead rooney with straight face all the time 😂😂😂
@shahzadirani
@shahzadirani Жыл бұрын
Clutch Ronaldo any day. So many games stand out where he’s dragged his team to victory. Hat trick for Madrid vs Wolfsburg, Hat Trick for Juve vs Atletico in the UCL, two goals in the 2017 Final vs Juve, long range goal vs Porto to see United through, solo goal vs Fulham to seal the league title pretty much, and the list goes on.
@MikeMUFC91
@MikeMUFC91 Жыл бұрын
5:45 in City's team Ruud is getting more goals than Haaland. He was devastating in front of goal. Haaland still occasionally missing chances he should be taking. Ruud didn't. He was clinical. Even though he scored 150 goals at United I still think he was criminally underrated because of Henry. He's the best center forward I've ever seen at United by a distance.
@Algojo
@Algojo Жыл бұрын
Not if the opponent playing high line like now. He is slow af.
@michaeloakman3008
@michaeloakman3008 Жыл бұрын
@@Algojo Ruud wasn’t slow in his prime, not even close to it
@grealish2234
@grealish2234 9 ай бұрын
Lol some delusion from united fans
@AManCalledDutch
@AManCalledDutch 6 ай бұрын
Haaland is bigger and faster he’s creating those chances with his pace and movement and also being long enough to reach chances. Ruud wouldn’t be able to.
@Zetverse
@Zetverse Жыл бұрын
This is some really interesting show. Why have I never been shown this before? I'm stating to get addicted to it. 😅
@Wladislav
@Wladislav Жыл бұрын
- Saying Cantona was on the same level technically as Bergkamp is utterly nuts. - Sanchez - Pele - Wenger for now - Benzema - van Persie (Prime only) - Lampard - Buffon (but Prime Casillas) - Saka - Rooney - Suarez (I don't trust anyone who wouldn't pick prime Suarez here. Prime Suarez is the greatest striker of his generation.) - Messi if it's up to him to create. CR7 if he only has to finish.
@Nedi14B
@Nedi14B Жыл бұрын
Bergkamp he was class ! Cantona second for a little bit he was a monster
@rockyxable
@rockyxable Жыл бұрын
When they brought up skin head rooney I got goosebumps
@dinosutra
@dinosutra Жыл бұрын
After the mental trauma Messi gave to Rio on the pitch do you think he's gonna pick Messi ??? Also Ronaldo is his teammate so he'll obviously select him... But Messi, interms of pure genius is miles ahead...
@yao052
@yao052 Жыл бұрын
Or maybe he genuinely thinks Ronaldo was better. We are allowed to have different opinions.
@dinosutra
@dinosutra Жыл бұрын
@@yao052 Yes we can have different opinions but what is fact is a fact... One can easily say that Earth is bigger than the Sun according to his opinion but it ain't gonna change the fact...
@satanscamaro5206
@satanscamaro5206 Жыл бұрын
@@dinosutra what fact says cr7 is less clutch than messi? stop riding messis d son
@cyanades71
@cyanades71 Жыл бұрын
The question was about being clutch and man has Ronaldo delivered in the most dire circumstances. Messi has as well. In terms of being the better player in prime, yeah Messi is better. But I feel Ronaldo was certainly more clutch by a small margin
@ally4131
@ally4131 Жыл бұрын
@@cyanades71 Ronaldo was more ‘clutch’ in moments because he was literally the poacher from 2014 onwards with the whole team set up to provide him chances. Ronaldo wasn’t known for being clutch before 2014. Whereas Messi moved further away from goal over the years and even during his peak goal scoring seasons never played as close to the goal as Ronaldo, and yet despite this, Messi is expected to score as many goals whilst doing everything else he does (through balls, dribbling etc).
@stijnburgers719
@stijnburgers719 Жыл бұрын
For me: Bergkamp Alexis Pele Wenger Lewandowski Van Nistelrooy Gerrard Buffon Saka Rooney Suarez Messi
@DirtyJamesUK
@DirtyJamesUK Жыл бұрын
RVN was a devastating striker, but more scrappy. RVP was one of the classiest I've seen. Tough comparison. I think RVN probably shades it, but for some reason I slightly prefer RVP.
@LoyalGio
@LoyalGio Жыл бұрын
More video's like this one please
@andrewsadikin5226
@andrewsadikin5226 Жыл бұрын
More of this video pls.
@declanshanahan3888
@declanshanahan3888 Жыл бұрын
great debates lol. Cantona, the thing about him was he was as Liam Gallagher said a rock and roll footballer. He hit the the bar from the half way line at the bridge and got a standing ovation. He was X factor, box office. And ironically it seems people forget how good he was. He had it all, touch, shot, power, finishing.
@malotielemans3863
@malotielemans3863 Жыл бұрын
2:23 savage 😂🤣
@Hutts99
@Hutts99 Жыл бұрын
Definitely Ruud van Nistelrooy. He was a beast and goal machine. The only bad thing about Ruud was he smacked that cross bar against Arsenal, which cost us victory and Arsenal went on to be unbeaten for the rest of the season.
@benjaminkua1841
@benjaminkua1841 Жыл бұрын
Can we have a Rashford or Saka this or that Would love to get ur opinions
@asadkhan6971
@asadkhan6971 Жыл бұрын
Rio with the stunning Vacheron Constantin Oversees 4500V. I’m on a three year waiting list for that watch.
@amann24
@amann24 Жыл бұрын
Cantona, Alexis, Pele, Wenger, Lewa, RvN, Lampard, Buffon, Saka, Skinhead Rooney, Suarez, Ronaldo. They're all tough though!
@ryanedgley1742
@ryanedgley1742 Жыл бұрын
This was epic
@movieace1295
@movieace1295 Жыл бұрын
I'll go Ruud. He is to me my favorite. He was there in my first years as a fan. One of the biggest mistakes Fergie has done was not to invest more in the defence at Ruuds time. After Stam before Ferdinand there was a lot of weird investments at the time.
@blazejon
@blazejon Жыл бұрын
Bruv 89th minute clutch, I'm picking Eddie Nketia right now. Queue the music
@Kehley82828
@Kehley82828 Жыл бұрын
Ronaldo has never scored in a WC ko game on the biggest stage when the lights were brightest. Context: Pepe has scored twice in the ko’s (he’s a defender)
@DirtyJamesUK
@DirtyJamesUK Жыл бұрын
I've always had Suarez above Aguero, well done for bringing up this comparison. I hated Suarez but he was such a good player! Almost as good as Rooney in his own way.
@CoylesCalcioCorner
@CoylesCalcioCorner Жыл бұрын
The Ruud RVP debate is interesting. I felt like Ruud could have been so much more as he showed from time to time against Arsenal creating his own opportunities but he just settled for being that penalty box striker complaining half the time with a huge ego which ultimately got him booted out of the club. RVP was all that and a bag of chips but defo had a back injury when he got to United. We dont have a big enough sample size but RVP’s game edges it for me. Volleys, Freekicks, holdup play, range, the full package.
@Yow531
@Yow531 Жыл бұрын
Van Persie better footballer
@shawnpowell7223
@shawnpowell7223 Жыл бұрын
Why does pele get disrespected so much. 3 world cups, the first at 17. Was brutally tackled constantly.
@jedsithor
@jedsithor Жыл бұрын
I think the issue with Pele when it comes to these kinds of debates is that he never played for a European team so the only times he would come up against other big name players was at the World Cup. Obviously he won 3 which is incredible but Maradona played against the Milan clubs, played against Real Madrid etc. He came to Europe and shone. Pele never had that chance. In saying that I think Pele would have absolutely thrived in Europe, I'm not dismissing him, just saying what the argument against him is.
@priyadarshidash4353
@priyadarshidash4353 Жыл бұрын
@@jedsithor pele did play against european teams and he had an amazing record against them
@jedsithor
@jedsithor Жыл бұрын
@@priyadarshidash4353 Not competitively. Being sent around the world by Santos like a Harlem Globetrotter isn't exactly the height of competitive football. He only ever played exhibition games, never truly competitive games, which is a shame.
@leemc5646
@leemc5646 Жыл бұрын
The World Cup was a lot different back then less teams etc. He's a Fifa and Santos product, he didn't win 1962 World Cup he got injured. Garrincha was the player for Brazil in that World Cup. He wasn't even needed in 1970 If you watch a full Pele game you'll see the standard is rubbish
@Tadaia
@Tadaia 2 күн бұрын
@@jedsithor During that time (50s - 60s) many of the best players in the world were in South America. It was later that MONEY began to bring the best players to Europe and develop those leagues.
@josevanreyes
@josevanreyes Жыл бұрын
van persie scored more goals than Ruud in his prime and had a better all round game. There's no angle you can use to say Ruud was better.
@markdavies2115
@markdavies2115 Жыл бұрын
As a UTD fan...seen some great players...but best player I've ever seen was Georgi Kinkladze.. Shame he was a blue... if City were where they are now back then Kinkladze would be rated above all of them. What a great player. Total Class. UTD should have had him.
@moisesviramontes9906
@moisesviramontes9906 Жыл бұрын
You guys should do Maradona vs Messi. I would like to see the guy's input and hear from people that saw Maradona's greatness.
@tris421
@tris421 Жыл бұрын
Cantona GOAT
@velianfc
@velianfc Жыл бұрын
12:24 Easy, Messi. Messi g/a in finals: 34G + 15A in 47 games. Ronaldo: 20G + 2A in 35 games. Messi’s WC final brace, scoring in ET too. He’s had more clutch moments than Ronaldo when you compare it. A lot of it, in front of Ronaldo’s face (09UCL final, 2011UCL semi, 2014El Clasico, 2017EL Clasico) and there’s a bunch of league and cup games with Messi scoring last min that was crucial in title race wins, domestic cup wins etc
@tri3183
@tri3183 Ай бұрын
Cantona over Berkamp, Arsenal Alexis, Pele over Maradona, Ruud over RVP, prime Wenger over Klopp
@Me-gs3uu
@Me-gs3uu 9 ай бұрын
- Bergkamp - Coutinho - Maradona - Wenger - Benzema - van Persie - Gerrard - Buffon - Foden - Rooney - Suarez - Messi
@debo2189
@debo2189 Жыл бұрын
Arsenal fan: - Ruud V. Nistlerooy all day any day - Bergkamp over Cantona because he has one of the most elegant first touch and technique on level with (or close to) Zidane. - Alexis Sanchez for sure, he was a leader, an icon, was arguably the best player in the PL during his prime. - Maradona - Scholes 😂😂😂 (I’ll go Gerrard) - Wenger - Benzema - Rooney all day any day - Saka - Casillas - Suarez - Messiiiii
@danielberry4765
@danielberry4765 Жыл бұрын
Cantona, Alexis, Maradona, Klopp, Lewandowski, Van Nistelrooy, Lampard, Buffon, Saka, Haaland, Suarez and Messi.
@firstnamelastname9616
@firstnamelastname9616 Жыл бұрын
Prime Rio VS Prime Maguire
@illuminatusdeus3051
@illuminatusdeus3051 Жыл бұрын
If you had seen both, then you'd naturally choose van Nistelrooy. I have had the privilege of witnessing Cantona-Hughes, Cole Yorke, Nistelrooy allowed for a change in United's attacking system from 442 to 451, the guy could play his back to goal, with Scholes, his off the ball was off the charts. Every 1-v-1 situation, if you'd seen him play, I'd wager he was going to score. Everytime, a 1-v-1, you know it's going to go in. And... you seen his solo against Fulham? Sheer class. Van Persie is an ace too, but, for a ruthless out and out striker... you can't look beyond Ruud. Robin would hang about the channels, but Ruud was always in the box, and he would always score. Best striker I have ever seen, maybe barring Alan Shearer in his prime at Newcastle. Also saw Les Ferdinand, Aspirila, Zola (not a 9) and Vialli at Chelsea, I still think he was the best out and out ever. He was that good.
@innihbassey6369
@innihbassey6369 Жыл бұрын
"skinhead Rooney" lool 😭
@jacobfield4848
@jacobfield4848 Жыл бұрын
1. Bergkamp and Cantona were equal the same player. = Draw. 2. Sanchez was carrying Arsenal, Coutinho had Suarez, Gerrard and Sturridge to help him. = Sanchez. 3. Pele was more complete than Maradona but Maradona was the greatest genius I have ever seen in sport. = Draw. 4. Wenger developed player sbetter but Klopp did better in the Champions league. = Draw. 5. RVN was a much better finisher than RVP. But RVP was more technically gifted. = Draw. 6. Gerrard was more complete than Lampard. Lampard was a better goal scorer. = Gerrard. 7. Buffon was on another level to Casillas, not even close. = Buffon. 8. Both Saka and Foden are inconsistant. = Saka. 9. Haaland was a better goal scorer, Rooney is much better Footballer. = Rooney. 10. Suarez was a much better player than Aguero. = Suarez. 11. Clutch situation was Ronaldo. Messi was a better footballer. = Clutch Ronaldo.
@stefanonbekend8177
@stefanonbekend8177 Жыл бұрын
Ruud van Nistelrooy. For me, he is my fav striker of all time. Ongelooflijk, wat hij deed. Very smart player, very effective.
@AManCalledDutch
@AManCalledDutch 6 ай бұрын
Love your mixed Dutch and English remark 😂
@Maole8
@Maole8 Жыл бұрын
I feel like.. Rvp was more complete but it'sidifficult to choose
@tolkienfan10
@tolkienfan10 Жыл бұрын
I think that Cantona and Bergkamp were on a par, technically speaking, but that Cantona also had that leadership quality that put him above Bergkamp. I'm sure that Bergkamp was also influencing players at Arsenal but he never captained Arsenal.
@ianworley8169
@ianworley8169 9 ай бұрын
Plus, Eric wasn't afraid to get on a plane. Bergkamp was a liability for European campaigns.
@mickeytherat08
@mickeytherat08 Жыл бұрын
On Ronaldo messi, the ronaldo hattrick against Spain… counted the same as Kane getting a hattrick against panama… thoughts?
@thevideoshott
@thevideoshott Жыл бұрын
For the next episode of this or that would love you to discuss on: Prime Kroos/Modric or Prime Xavi/Iniesta Prime Casemiro or Prime Kante Prime Bale or Prime Neymar.
@ryiin
@ryiin Жыл бұрын
Van Nistlerooy is the best finisher I've seen at United.
@TheboyFernando
@TheboyFernando 7 ай бұрын
Joel’s having a mareee Sanchez all day
@scottwilkinson4248
@scottwilkinson4248 Жыл бұрын
100% The King Eric......but two great players
@espenkaligrebrof9682
@espenkaligrebrof9682 Жыл бұрын
Agree with everything except Ronaldo
@nmarcus7233
@nmarcus7233 Жыл бұрын
Ste’s just a contrarian n knows Bergkamp a better technician but doesn’t want to admit it. WC 98 goal alone says it all. The assist vs Juve aswell. 🤯
@sangchinzah6155
@sangchinzah6155 Жыл бұрын
Can you do this or that greenwood vs saka?
@hassan4117
@hassan4117 6 ай бұрын
Miss Striker Like Rooney.......what a presence he had on the field
@julianmartin4880
@julianmartin4880 8 ай бұрын
Joel is moving mad.
@JamesYGGoY
@JamesYGGoY Жыл бұрын
RVN!!! No doubt about it.
@sharpie2907
@sharpie2907 Жыл бұрын
For goals alone it's RUUD For a complete forward RVP.
@chuka6625
@chuka6625 6 ай бұрын
“skin head rooney” 😂
@ally4131
@ally4131 Жыл бұрын
Ronaldo was more ‘clutch’ in moments because he was literally the poacher from 2014 onwards with the whole team set up to provide him chances. Ronaldo wasn’t known for being clutch before 2014. Whereas Messi moved further away from goal over the years and even during his peak goal scoring seasons never played as close to the goal as Ronaldo, and yet despite this, Messi is expected to score as many goals whilst doing everything else he does (through balls, dribbling etc).
@lionelsheja6381
@lionelsheja6381 Жыл бұрын
Cantona Sanchez Pelé Klopp Benzema Ruud van Nistelrooy Gerrard Buffon (very close) Foden Rooney Suárez Messi
@ristomikkonen5255
@ristomikkonen5255 Жыл бұрын
Not choosing Pelé over Maradona is almost blasphemous. Pelé dominated two WC finals 12 years apart. Brazil beat its opponents 9-3 on aggregate Pelé's stats being 3+2.
@mart4414
@mart4414 Жыл бұрын
Van Persie was clearly the better technical player but his impact was mainly around one season. Ruud was the driving force behind the 2003 league win and had back to back unreal seasons. Both had similar drop offs, Ruud just shades it.
@StarboundUK
@StarboundUK Жыл бұрын
RVP had back to back stellar seasons in his last one at Arsenal & 1st at Man Utd. RVN was a great No9 but one of best things Fergie did was move off RVN for Rooney & CR7 et al & more fluid attack. RVP carried both a weak Arsenal & RVN at his peak.
@StringerBellz
@StringerBellz Жыл бұрын
Love Ruud as a box striker but RVPs left wand was just a thing of beauty . Ruud can only dream of scoring some of the goals RVP was capable of.
@benitotommassi5820
@benitotommassi5820 Жыл бұрын
I'd strongly suggest you go watch some of RVNs goals, not just at united but Madrid and PSV also. RVP is not a patch on him.
@leemc5646
@leemc5646 Жыл бұрын
No he's not on Van Persie's level technique wise.
@jabril049
@jabril049 Жыл бұрын
@@benitotommassi5820 also need to remember prime RVP didn't have that super squad RVN had. He was doing what he did with an aging united squad and an average arsenal squad
@StringerBellz
@StringerBellz Жыл бұрын
@@benitotommassi5820 RVP isn't a patch on Ruud? That's a stretch considering RVPs record for Holland. RVPs technique was levels above Ruud ,not to mention his freekicks. I'm not doubting RVNs ability as an out and out goalscorer but RVPs touch was just sublime.
@benitotommassi5820
@benitotommassi5820 Жыл бұрын
@@jabril049 RVN was unlucky in that he played for united when they were in transition/rebuild and then Real Madrid the same. Had he played for the treble winners or the Rooney/Ronaldo team, or the galacticos, he would have hit more unreal numbers.
@steliosp1770
@steliosp1770 Жыл бұрын
i would never chose anyone at #9 over RVN except prime R9. its that simple. best. finisher. i have EVER. seen.
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