Who Became CAPTAIN AMERICA While Steve Rogers was Frozen? || Comic Misconceptions || NerdSync

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We all know that Captain America was frozen during World War II and thawed out years later. The strange thing is that there were many appearances by Cap in the comics after the war had ended, but before he came back in Avengers #4. So how do you explain that? Who filled in for Steve Rogers as Captain America as he was frozen in ice? There are actually a few people. We're talking about William Naslund AKA the Spirit of '76, Jeff Mace AKA Patriot, and William Burnside AKA the Grand Director in this week's star-spangled Comic Misconceptions!
Every Wednesday, Comic Misconceptions explores the fun trivia, interesting ideas, and mind-blowing theories regarding comic books and the rich history and culture that surrounds them!
Hosted by Scott Niswander (@ScottNiswander)
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@ShadyDoorags 8 жыл бұрын

This is how you properly retcon something. You don't just say "It didn't happen," you keep to what happened and add more details so that everything makes sense.

@gusparkwood4890 8 жыл бұрын

Amen to that.

@robertmckinnon7003 8 жыл бұрын

I love the replacement Cap's and would love their existences explored in the MCU.

@tessewact 8 жыл бұрын

Wait, so William Burnside just kidnapped a boy, called him Bucky, and then gave him drugs and told him to go with him on outrageous adventures under the names of dead people, and then slowly drove him insane? What the heck Marvel....

@rockmanmix6242 6 жыл бұрын

How else would they create tragic villains?

@perrisavallon5170 5 жыл бұрын

I mean, when you put it like THAT...

@douglasbryant2556 5 жыл бұрын

Now days, Burnside and Monroe would be classified as White Nationalists.

@theblackwidower 5 жыл бұрын

I think the weirdest thing about this is the stalker-level behaviour of changing your name and having plastic surgery to look like your idol.

@juliiju0484 3 жыл бұрын

Yehh....

@AHeroAlmost 9 жыл бұрын

Wow, never knew there was this much to the Captain American back story. They guy changing him appearance to look like Steve Rogers reminds be of the reverse flash!

@bsv103 9 жыл бұрын

AHeroAlmost That's what I was thinking.

@redleaderantilles1263 9 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah didn't he do that in the 90's and try and kill Wally?

@nicholasurbina7402 9 жыл бұрын

AHeroAlmost That's what I was thinking too! That guy's a douche. Reverse Flash I mean..

@legendhuntergaming3208 7 жыл бұрын

Monroe: "Man I love being Bucky!" Winter Soldier: "NOPE!" *BAM*

@sonpanchan 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's Brubaker's Winter Soldier art, it's starts with Winter Soldier killing the two other Buckies Jack Monroe and Fred Davis. By that point readers weren't suppose to know who Winter Soldier was but it was kind of obvious just by that.

@danielmojica1493 9 жыл бұрын

If falcon is captain america, then... CAPTAIN FALCON!!

@reshufflepuff9564 8 жыл бұрын

Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh-duh doooohd do do do do (X-Files Theme)

@egogeo851 8 жыл бұрын

+Magneto's Beacon cap falcon vs. weapon x-files?

@emperorsupra9014 8 жыл бұрын

FAAAAAAAAAAWLCON PAAAAAAAAAAAWNCH

@supersayianninja5681 7 жыл бұрын

Daniel Mojica Captain Falcon fits well

@Jay-uf1ue 6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Mojica eagle

@JediGeronimo 9 жыл бұрын

I love it when good writers insert great stories into those little gaps in comic lore. Just another instance where you see that anything can happen in comics!

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Garrett Lohuis Definitely!

@Doomsword0 9 жыл бұрын

“Planned to kill Kennedy and replace him with robots. You know comics stuff.” You Scott. You are awesome.

@raggarharry9765 9 жыл бұрын

I was cosplaying Cap once, does I count?

@TheRacoonasaurus 9 жыл бұрын

Yes it does, thank you for protecting America.

@asomedeadmou5 9 жыл бұрын

AMERIKA!!!!!!!FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!

@peposo7 8 жыл бұрын

+raggarharry How many commies did you smashed?

@samaaawad4137 8 жыл бұрын

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@peposo7 8 жыл бұрын

Samaa Awad Switch to another frequency.

@BingeWatchers 9 жыл бұрын

Yep. I usually set myself on fire when I can't deal with my past neo-nazi transgressions. Jeez, were comics ever for kids?

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Binge Watchers Haha. They used to be. I still would like to have more all-ages comics around these days so my young nephews can read.

@redleaderantilles1263 9 жыл бұрын

At least we have batman 66 and now Wonder Woman 77.

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

redleader antillies Very true.

@ziljin 6 жыл бұрын

And now captain America is an agent of Hydra. And people are upset now that he's a nazi. Guess they should read more comics before complaining!

@spiritcomics5655 6 жыл бұрын

NerdSync Don't forget Mark Waid's recent run on Captain America where he was frozen twice.

@slashandbones13 8 жыл бұрын

You should do a video about John Walker/US Agent/Super Patriot

@rockmanmix6242 6 жыл бұрын

slashandbones13 oh him He was very unstable

@johnburt7935 9 жыл бұрын

"The Lost Generation" is one of my favorite Marvel miniseries. Now that Marvel Time says that Cap slept not only through the Fifties but also the Sixties, Seventies, Eighties, Nineties and even the Oughties, I wonder whether there were other "Captains America", official or unofficial, during all those years? I kind of hope there were, and that we might hear their stories some day.

@andrewrperkins1616 9 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you so much for this, Scott! Cap's my favorite character, and this is one of the most confusing parts of his past! Thank you!

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Drew Perkins I hope it helped clear things up. Honestly, it was a bit confusing for me to dive into myself. Haha

@angryduck5 9 жыл бұрын

Drew Perkins so spooky, i just wrote this exact comment myself and then saw what you wrote

@andrewrperkins1616 9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Witten Word for word? Lol

@KevlarNinja 9 жыл бұрын

6:39 - I love how that robot looks like a communist Hulk. "RRRAAAA! HULK SMASH CAPITALISM!"

@QueenBoadicea 6 жыл бұрын

5:08 Is that guy CRYING? That's so sweet. Nowadays, superheroes are so gritty and hard edged, you don't expect tears from them.

@alexanderm3504 9 жыл бұрын

Can you do a video based on Hawkeye??

@Doomsword0 9 жыл бұрын

This topic got a lot cooler as you went through it. Wasn't sure about as you started. Good job sir.

@devramachandran401 8 жыл бұрын

random guy walks up to you "hey you! you know that guy you're reading about? i'll let you be like him if you let me inject you with some stuff"!!!

@nyan_bonn 9 жыл бұрын

your ahout out to ares quinones was awesome for me. i watch both of you guys. and that little call out put a smile on my face

@sallyacron 9 жыл бұрын

Awesome vid I wondered if there was only one captain America! thanks for clearing that up for me XD

@Axomite 9 жыл бұрын

I love these videos :P The 'Other' History of Captain America. that'd be a great way to describe your behind the scenes/weird retcon origins of these guys.

@saulfermusic 9 жыл бұрын

This was an Amazing video! Thanks, Scott!

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Maestro Fer Thank you for watching!

@akrulla 9 жыл бұрын

Yes! I love how, in the comic universes, nothing is canon until it has been fucked about with and the general populous sort of decide how it all comes together. A few crap ideas will always float around but inconsistencies are almost always corrected down the line. Love it.

@HavikLaosBoi69 9 жыл бұрын

This honestly clears it up and was more interesting to have these comics explain all that inconsistency, honestly it was always a thing I wondered but felt like there's not gonna be a real answer to it. And now, I got it. Thanks, Scott! :D

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Emerald Havik That's what I'm here for!

@edih-l1181 9 жыл бұрын

You and Aris are like my favorite Comic Book KZfaqrs keep up the good work 👌👍👏

@dustinboard6513 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video and you reply to people the best and most interactive youtuber ever thanks

@chriscanul4075 2 жыл бұрын

Love his mention in Black Widow during the arm wrestling scene!

@andresbrandao 8 жыл бұрын

The William Burnside (?) Captain America sounds like a kind of outlet for writers to try out different things which they normally wouldn't, or perhaps couldn't. It's cool how, in the way you described it, he was used to explore themes like fanaticism, ideology and identity. The story where they go crazy and think everyone is a communist is pretty on the nose on what was on the writer's mind at the time! Perhaps some of that is on the same vein as the Incredible Science Fiction #33 story "Judgement Day", considering how difficult it is to pull something like that with a mainstream superhero character. Haven't read those Captain America comics though, so maybe I'm stretching this a bit. Anyway, very good video, thanks!

@captainamerica9363 9 жыл бұрын

Awesome vid. Cap is my fav hero glad to see u put this much research in these videos

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Greg Jackson I haven't done a Cap video in forever! Plus this is something that I always wanted to know.

@pistol975 9 жыл бұрын

Another great episode man, one of my favorite channels!!

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Peter Ferguson Thank you so much!

@ItsOver9000Productions 9 жыл бұрын

It's 11:00 pm and I have a biology quiz tomorrow. Screw that I'm watching NerdSync! !!!!

@briantimkennedy357 5 жыл бұрын

Unnecessary, but thoroughly interesting. I think they handled this in a really clever way.

@mustache4398 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that information, that was awesome to find out

@nathanhoran8755 9 жыл бұрын

That was great I did not have a clue about any of that history very informative.

@BiscuitKilla02 8 жыл бұрын

I literally love NerdSync. Literally the only guy on yt to bring out these epic and interesting videos. If it wasnt for him I literally would be lost with all this stuff. NerdSync. You. Are. The. Man

@korvo3427 6 жыл бұрын

*literally*

@willcommon6164 9 жыл бұрын

Love This! Thank you so much for this!

@kiddmode 9 жыл бұрын

Aww yeah, another nice Comic Misconceptions episode. I thought about this sometime ago and now I know the whole story, thank you for this!

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

***** Thanks for watching and commenting! Happy to hear that you liked it!

@styxxrivers7576 8 жыл бұрын

WOW, that is a great summary. Thanks

@jostuart7334 9 жыл бұрын

Great Bid. The ideas you have always interest me... and 301 club :D

@cameronsalehizadeh6232 9 жыл бұрын

AWESOME EPISODE SCOTT!!!!

@ravenandstar 9 жыл бұрын

The Captain sort of reminds of Batman. He is more then a hero, more of a needed symbol. So I can understand why so many people have been him. Good info. As for the MCU, I'd say no. One of the good tihngs about it, is they try to keep it without retconing too much. They try to keep it simple, if they did ANYTHING. Maybe the Captain mesuem could have a say someone did take his role after he was frozen.

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

***** Yeah! I wonder if there is a hidden easter egg in the museum where one of the panels that we can't read talks about how someone took his place for a short while.

@carsonphillips8008 8 жыл бұрын

+NerdSync Headcanon? Probably headcanon.

@kenzofinucane4057 8 жыл бұрын

+Lord Dongus I actually got a headcannon implanted and im planning on a supervillain career. im still missing the most important ingredient though; a good name

@Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh372 7 жыл бұрын

Are you looking for a weird silly name? Or a good name?

@FatalFist 7 жыл бұрын

Captain reminds me more of The Phantom (or Black Panther but more predominently The Phantom) who was nicknamed: "The Ghost That Walks." because despite dying, he always seemed to come back. In reality it was because someone else keeps taking up the cowl thus creating the mythos.

@troyforce2 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks Scott! I have been reading comics for 20 years and never knew it had so much rich history and back stories. It's reasons like this I hate to see the old Marvel Universe get destroyed.

@robertoluishernandez4138 9 жыл бұрын

Love your Awesome Room and it's Cool Hero Designs :]

@gharris4440 9 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHA awesome Scott! Loved this episode!!!

@anonymouschicago6142 7 жыл бұрын

lol the Patriot is now in Marvel's Agents of Shield 👍😀

@dontaylor8540 7 жыл бұрын

thanks for the explaining all that👍

@310thegame228 9 жыл бұрын

good stuff bro definitely learned some stuff

@TTaPAnt 9 жыл бұрын

I also have the lantern rings from the background.

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Anthony Landaverde Awesome! I like having them around.

@TTaPAnt 9 жыл бұрын

Yea, me too

@bsv103 9 жыл бұрын

Anthony Landaverde I have them too. I got them off of ebay for less than $1 each, if I recall correctly. It was a set of all 9.

@TTaPAnt 9 жыл бұрын

***** yea, there's only 9 rings

@bsv103 9 жыл бұрын

Anthony Landaverde I know that. The "if I recall correctly" was in relation to what I paid, not what I got.

@angryduck5 9 жыл бұрын

thank you so much for this video!! i'm a big cap fan but whenever i heard about this stuff i was confused. You da man

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Witten Sure thing!

@micpar2 9 жыл бұрын

Great review. I too hope we see at least the Burnside 50's Cap & Jack Monroe Bucky. A long with the 1950's Avengers from What If #9. Love to see them use the 3-D Man, Gorllla Man. the Human Robot, Marvel Boy & Venus. On the second season of Agent Carter.

@ThatOneGuy7550 9 жыл бұрын

So much knowledge!!!

@tophfan 9 жыл бұрын

awesome vid!

@GeorgeWeigle 9 жыл бұрын

Your funny guy haha. Good video👍

@TheRAZORVIDS 9 жыл бұрын

I totally have that comic book series about the patriot.I love getting to know Lesser characters especially ones associated with the 1950s and the Golden age.

@devincrave7067 9 жыл бұрын

I did not know they had that many take the name I only knew two of them. Never gave thought to who could be him until this. Thanks for the info

@vtcbatman2444 9 жыл бұрын

Scott once again you astound me with knowledge about a thing I had never really thought about. Thank you for enlightening me on this I always just thought it was Steve Rogers and afterwards they said he was frozen so it would make a little more sense in modern times.

@MrMike11233 9 жыл бұрын

Alright. I'm on board. The detail in these videos is amazing and it's clear that Scott really loves the subject. Mike AKA Subscriber 98,128

@DavinAlaniz 8 жыл бұрын

i love your videos man

@devvratsahai2068 9 жыл бұрын

Awsome video, by the way

@rafael82x 9 жыл бұрын

That was cool fills In gaps of time lime , interesting lol

@camjfrwazup5531 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks this was really interesting

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Camjfr Wazup I'm glad you liked it!

@MichaelFedorShow 9 жыл бұрын

Fantastic video, Scott! :) Loved it! Can you do a video on Wonder Woman now? I've wanted to be clear on a few things about her. Does WW get her powers from the gods or from the magic lasso and braclets enhancing her warrior training? I've also seen conflicting thoughts on how old WW really is? Tieing in to this video with Captain America, I've seen other sources that suggest Wonder Woman in the 40s was actually her mother Hippolyta. And then there was the Artemis and Donna Troy fill-ins.

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Michael Fedor Show Yeah, Wonder Woman is a bit confusing. I've been trying to think of an episode for her. I have a few ideas, but nothing I'm sold on yet.

@redleaderantilles1263 9 жыл бұрын

In the golden age it was Diana and it was still her in earth 2 pre crisis. Post crisis they changed it to Hippolyta having been the 40's JSA Wonder Woman.

@AWorldofKayos 9 жыл бұрын

I knew alot about cap,but. I didn't know the depths of the non canon still from when the series first ended great video

@AServantMonkey 9 жыл бұрын

For as stressed as you been the quality of the videos has not gone down. Can't wait for the tie-in (:

@duaneo8188 8 жыл бұрын

Dang this video gave me an insight of Captain America of how he was a symbol that everyone loved and adored. It's sad to know some people tried to take up the role but failed although the third Captain America at least got a good story. Marvel I applaud you!

@ChristianSmithDiamondminer1609 9 жыл бұрын

your awesome scott

@3oct1111 9 жыл бұрын

I'd love these guys to show up as a Netflix fake Docudramma miniseries.

@WorldThroughMySpecs 2 жыл бұрын

I discovered Scott from his most recent videos where he's accepted his inevitable baldness. So weird seeing him with hair.

@pause4563 4 жыл бұрын

John Walter, Steve Rogers, US Agent, Super Patriot, Bucky, Sam Wilson, Captain Britain, HOW MANY PPL ARE LIKE CAPTAIN AMERICA OMG THE HELL 😂😂😂🤣🤣

@DarioMalandra 9 жыл бұрын

I've never thought about it, for me the only 2 characters that had remplaced Steve were Bucky and Falcon, but boy oh boy I was wrong. Thank you for teaching us these kind of thing, great job !

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Dario Malandra I was curious about it myself. Glad to hear you also found it interesting!

@DarioMalandra 9 жыл бұрын

***** When you think about it, it's logical but whoever thought about it (except you) ? Haha. I hope each videos of the Avengers' Month will be that intersting ! I'm proud to be a patron !

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Dario Malandra And we genuinely appreciate your support!

@zachariahdearing9611 9 жыл бұрын

***** As always, you've managed to create an awesome video that explains a confusing bit from a character's history and make it super clear. I've known about Burnside for a while now, but I never knew about the other Captains that popped up during Steve's time on ice. I think it's great that Marvel went back and explained that inconsistency, but I think that it is a little bit more complicated than necessary to have three people during that time when one or two would work just as well. As for whether or not I'd like to have one of these Caps in the MCU, I think Burnside would be interesting, maybe for a second season of Agent Carter or a Captain America movie. Even an Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. subplot could be interesting.

@Linklex7 9 жыл бұрын

Very interesting backstory. Cool.

@technopat3 9 жыл бұрын

He referenced Variant! I am now subscribing!

@jakobrodriguez7816 9 жыл бұрын

More Captain Americas would have been cool to see. We still could. I'd like to see these guys pop up in the comics more.

@ponyov.8308 9 жыл бұрын

Oh my!! I would've LOVED to see Peggy Carter's show explore that too! (now that I know of it, I mean)

@KairuHakubi 6 жыл бұрын

ALL WINNERS! :D exactly the name you'd expect for a team featuring The Whizzer.

@blackfacebogart 5 жыл бұрын

My favorite William Burnside story is What If? Vol. 1 #44, where he becomes a dictator as Captain America and Steve doesn't get revived until the 80s and kicks Burnside's ass with the help of the rebels led by Spider-Man.

@raymondxo 9 жыл бұрын

Great video. What about other post war Marvel heroes, like the 1950's Avengers? or what they call now the Agents of Atlas.

@nightmaretomb5294 8 жыл бұрын

the story was supposed to take place on Earth-616 but they later made big changes like throwing out 3D Man because he was not a real 50s character.

@alwynchan5102 9 жыл бұрын

I really like the William Burnside story... cos its really just a great story about the rise and fall of a man who had an obsession.....i think it should make a comeback somehow..... cos it has a few impt lessons to impart...

@serenityyiye 9 жыл бұрын

Oh wow so interesting ***** I love it. My friends don't know what they're missing😳

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Then perhaps you should tell them! Haha

@serenityyiye 9 жыл бұрын

***** I'm a girl there a girl I broke the mold 😑

@GuptaAryan 9 жыл бұрын

Wait… comic girlie is a-a girl? HOLY SHIT

@brianrebmann676 8 жыл бұрын

As always this was a wonderful video. I think that using retcons in comics is part of the creativity and fun of comics. Lets face it that using retcons allows for all kinds of unique plot devices that make unique stuff happen as in the case of Captain America. Comics, I think, are about having fun and being creative and should not be taken too seriously. That being said, I also enjoy when writers strike a balance between the fantastic and logical aspects; neither element being too overarching to the other. In my opinion this is what was done in the Nolan Batman films. Many of the more fantastic elements of the character were gotten rid of and I thought Batman/Bruce Wayne was showed to be very human and knowledgeable about his limits especially in the last film the Dark Knight where he deals with the limits of his own body after being badly hurt.

@michaelalford7006 9 жыл бұрын

How did I miss all this? I somehow had it in my head that all 1945-1964 Cap stories were retro in nature featuring Steve Rogers and took place prior to 1945. I feel so uninformed!

@juanmanuelpenaloza9264 4 жыл бұрын

I would like to see the Burnside story...out of morbid curiosity of course.

@stevelemieux6043 8 жыл бұрын

1st - I agree that Agent Carter should have done something of the sort. 2nd - You mentioned Betsy Ross in this video, which intrigues me further on how often Marvel uses the name Ross... This there a correlation between Betsy Ross, Thaddeus Ross and Everett K. Ross? 3rd - Thank you for your show, I subscribed a few months ago, but I've binged watched the vast majority of your content. 4th - ( the name is pronounced Kebek Steve-o ) ;-)

@TheSMLIFfilms 9 жыл бұрын

I like how Burnside seemed like some kind of social commentary on the McCarthy trials and the red scare

@samuelsanders8380 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy

@alexmincey3490 9 жыл бұрын

A Winter Solider origins video would be interesting as well.

@blueflame2324 9 жыл бұрын

Awesome, awesome. Within the seconds that it took for you to ask whether we'd like these replacements explored and stating that you'd have found this explored in Agent Carter interesting I wasn't able to think of anything more perfect. They could easily do this in a future season of the show, and not only explore how she deals with it but how media and high ranking officials deal with this kind of situation.

@paulgrover764 9 жыл бұрын

Joshua Williams I remember in Iron man 2, Tony found Cap's shield in his work shop. Did they ever explain how it got there?

@blueflame2324 9 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure they didn't. Which means they could totally work that in to something.

@lucaswinsor4469 9 жыл бұрын

Paul Grover Tony had brought all those boxes back from Stark Industries. His father made Cap's shield. It wouldn't be uncommon to see a prototype or something among the rest.

@mr6johnclark 9 жыл бұрын

Thats a great idea! for Peggy Carter Season 2!

@comixproviderftw_02 4 жыл бұрын

The Falcon and Winter Disney+ show Soldier should explore this story.

@jhunnicaann 9 жыл бұрын

Hey scott, can u please do a video about Loki. Thank you!

@shoresean1237 9 жыл бұрын

Great piece as always. The What If (Volume 1, Issue 4) that you cited is unique in that it occurs in the main/616 world, not an AU, though I've never been sure whether it was intended that way or just allowed to stand as such once completed. Roy Thomas, who wrote 97% of everything Invaders, later revisited the 'kill the future Presidents' idea in issues of All-Star Squadron with a villain named Ian Karkull. A good actual What If? is Volume 1 Number 44, wherein Steve is not found by the Avengers as in 616, leading to the paranoid 50's Cap and Bucky being revived before him. As to placing other Caps in the MCU? I'm gonna say no, except for Isaiah Bradley, whose grim fate fits the tone of the MCU. I'm a big fan of the replacement Cap stories, but they need time to be explained, time movies don't always have. OTOH, if the X-Men ever enter the MCU, the alternate Caps could be used as part of the Weapon Plus storyline, linking Cap and Wolverine. Myself, I think Peggy and Howard would fight any effort to have someone besides Steve to fill in, plus I think the MCU American government didn't try to hide Steve's apparent death. Good idea not to do all the Caps this ep. That gets a bit dicey.

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Rob Morris Yeah, I didn't want to talk about everyone who has ever been Captain America, just people who filled in while he was frozen. And What If #4 is a bit odd because it is canon. I was scratching my head about that for a while. Haha

@shoresean1237 9 жыл бұрын

***** I believe I still have that What If? issue somewhere. I cannot recall whether or not Thomas said in that lettercolumn about the story's canonicity, or a future one, or even if The Watcher stated it in story. IIRC, the story was not presented as an AU to start with. According to the Marvel Database Wiki, while Steve Engelhart wrote the first stories involving William Burnside/50's Cap, Roy Thomas created the idea for him, based on the discrepancy the 50's comics created. marvel.wikia.com/Steven_Rogers_%28William_Burnside%29_%28Earth-616%29#TriviaEdit IIRC, Stan Lee in 1964 simply didn't remember there were any 50's Cap comics when he revived him. One last bit, not pivotal but interesting : In Namor The Sub-Mariner Annual 1 (June 1991), there was a back-up story called 'The Potsdam Objective', set after WW2 and showing how Namor began to distance himself from the surface-dwellers. The William Nasland Cap makes an appearance as the bodyguard of Harry Truman. Namor seems less accepting of the new Cap and the new President than their predecessors than he does in the What If story. The only reason I mention it is, I am hard pressed to say if the William Nasland Cap makes any other real appearances beyond this and What If? V1-4.

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Good info. Something that annoys me about Marvel Unlimited is that they don't often keep in the letters pages for old comics. Wish I could read those.

@shoresean1237 9 жыл бұрын

***** That really is a shame in this case. Roy Thomas in particular put out metric tons of info, trivia and perspective in his lettercols.

@dantoon25 9 жыл бұрын

***** Some other people have came up with this idea before in this comment section, but what do you think about the 50s Captain America making an appearance in Agent Carter? Granted, they can't get Chris Evans to play the exact lookalike, so maybe he could be in the shadows, confounding everybody who thought Steve was dead until it's revealed that the impostor is a psychotic nut.

@elpadrino1128 8 жыл бұрын

Hi Scott! I was hoping you would do a video where you explained how did Captain America revived after he got shot, because I have this issue of Siege and the first page says that Captain America was recently resurrected, and I don´t have the comic where he died so I was like wtf?!, and then there is this image of Steve Rogers talking to a bunch of super heros including Captain America.. ? ..and all of this is really freaking me out, because in my country it´s kinda hard to find complete story arcs or specific comics ( like the death of Captain America ) and I wanna know about this stuff. Greetings from Bolivia :)

@snotchkins811 7 жыл бұрын

That Variantcomics shoutout tho :P

@NicholasTheThorn 9 жыл бұрын

Bravo!

@NerdSyncProductions 9 жыл бұрын

Br. Nicholas of Carmel Haha. Thanks!

@kurumais 9 жыл бұрын

captain america patriot is a great mini. the art is beautiful. i love that a what if story was so well liked they made it canon.

@arpegio88 9 жыл бұрын

WOW that's DEEP...

@kristinebrooks3818 5 жыл бұрын

I love this series

@jeremiahbass4793 9 жыл бұрын

That would an awesome idea

@thecomicsshow5168 8 жыл бұрын

I've read the whole Captain America Patriot story and I have to say that it's really good, worth reading

@kevindedios7372 9 жыл бұрын

Multiple Captain America's, good fun. Anything that essentially leads to a mirror match can't be all bad lol. As for him appearing in the MCU, Commie Smasher/replacement/imposter Cap seems obscenely unlikely to be directly transplanted from the comics(unless it was in Agent of Carter or something...in which case do that!), but I think there might be potential for an imposter as a subplot in a hypothetical phase 4 Captain America film- especially if a certain death occurs.