it's just like science, if you have a unit of measurement names after you, you have won science. 2nd place is a principle, equation, law or phenomenon named after you

Euler has won science about 8000 times, then

@@rudrasingh6354 Euler must be like the DiCaprio of math lol

Etho hopper clock isn't nearly as useful as the ImpulseSV item sorter

@@luminescentlion depends on your playstyle, if you gonna build a minigame like decked-out you will need hopper clocks, timing circuits are essential for most complex contraptions, item sorter on the other hand is more useful for ordinary people that don’t need to build their own circuits but rather just want a solution for storage so they can spend more time building houses, unless you’re on scicraft and your item sorter contains every block in the game and is highly advanced. I’d say Impulse made minecraft easier for casual players while the invention of the hopper-clock was a starting stone for advanced technical minecraft in general If you should have learned one thing from this video its that there is no best, just people being incredibly good at different sub-genres of the game

this cannot be real

it's not (I hope)

@@Cwee957 it's not (I hope)

it is actually him

unless some guy decided to speedrun 90k subs

Legit, Etho is the grandfather of redstone.

hes more of a general player

@@distendedmist5840 he invented the BUD switch amongst many other things

I remember in the ancient days Etho would credit when using others designs, stopped watching after he stopped doing that, guess all the praise is his. He's pretty mid imho.

@@bans9183 maybe is because he does his own redstone for pretty much everything?

And GenerikB :) The OGs.

everyone forgets seth now, sad

Never forget the guy who taught them the real og redstone veteran Bdubs.

Etho is GrandFather of Redstone Minecraft KZfaqrs

@@BusinessWolf1 well if i can recall seth did more command block projects than redstone

So who would you call the best?

@@miscellaneous2160 me

@@miscellaneous2160 me

@@miscellaneous2160 Rick Astley, obviously

@@miscellaneous2160 me

I think you will find that Etho is recognised in the community, even if he didn’t get a mention in the video. His picture is in the thumbnail.

Etho invented contraptions before pistons, dispensers, and droppers even existed. Using the most basic of redstone he built a boat dispensing mechanism in the Alpha days of minecraft.

@@nathanramage1275I’d argue that Etho definitely would be up there if he dedicated himself to putting out incredible redstone tech, but he isn’t interested in doing that. He develops just enough to do what he needs in his various survival worlds, and that’s it. He often isn’t interested in making his stuff the most efficient, and most of his stuff hasn’t been groundbreaking since the much older days of redstone. That being said, he is my favorite Minecraft KZfaqr, so I would have loved to see him win, but he just doesn’t stack up in this category compared to some of the insane other options.

Etho gets all the recognition for being a pioneer of redstone. However in these discussions he simply doesn't belong as he's remained an all round minecrafter and has long since been surpassed by the specialists mentioned in this video.

Etho is more of the general redstone part. Which is mostly where pioneers tend to be, since they cannot be categorized in the same manner than being a general Minecraft redstone pioneer due to their knowledge and technicality being anywhere and everywhere.

a bulk of the scicraft member arew on their level and some are beyond

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they're content creators. they are not even close to the best redstoners

thats something someone that only watches hermitcraft would say

Ever heard of Scicraft?

I may be remembering incorrectly but didn't Doc fix his farm reinventing slime farms?

@@sundaesprites yeah, but it was mumbo's insanely good in concept, insanely badly executed idea that kicked it off.

Mumbo also has a ton of creative entry level redstone builds compared to others which is why he’s most subscribed. Illmango is also alike as the standard for farms and whatnot.

while others discover new principles to do tha same stuff faster, he uses the same old principles and make new stuff

it's not a bad thing either. Sure, a faster computer with more computational power is... cool, but what people want is something more conventional like OOOOOH WALKING HOUSE

@@LineOfThy OOOOH WALKING HOUSE cracked me up more that it should

Mumbo is like the gateway drug to redstone. His contents are fun, practical and easy to grasp. Mumbo might not be the best redstoner but he is the best entertaining redstoner.

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Exactly this, Etho to me is the best redstone player because he is constantly inventing new things, he doesn't just use other people's designs for maximum efficiency. Because of that, he constantly comes up with new ways to do things that were either impossible before or were way more complicated.

Etho is the Father of Redstone and Technical Minecraft youtubers

Like charles babbage wasnot the best computer maker but is still the father of computer

@@nothingherezero7182 I was about to say the same thing

@@selstrives He's definitely not washed up in his redstone skills. Unless if you're talking about his PVP skills lol.

Who do you think is better?

@@darkfire143 🤦

I think you mean no close third, seeing as Pingu and Xyor are the top two?

@@jspr1te529 nah that's in reference to 3 way bedrock breakers being the most challenging form of slimestone

@@punchster289 But none of them hold the record for the smallest 3-way bedrock breaker now? It's someone else, i think Vitamin C with his 3 overhead bb

Don't you mean 'PrettyStone'? 😉

VintageBeef taught Etho everything he knows

Based take

​@@miguelangelsb_ no, because etho invented a lot of contraptions

​​​@@BusinessWolf1beef actually invented them back in 2003, and etho stumbled upon his notes in late 2010. Etho then went on a pilgrimage, searching the world to find vintagebeef, eventually landing in rural northwestern nunavut, where he began training under beef as his disciple. After 12 years of gruelling training, ethoslab moved to a then desolate and deserted vancouver island, building a log cabin in the woods, unintentionally founding a large city, and starting a youtube channel, where he would share his redstone knowledge. After a series of earthquakes which resulted in small scale glacial drift, etho would once again be physically separated from society, where he spent 15 years in isolation.

Allot of your stuff do come up in popular servers like HC and Empires.

Youll alway be my go to guy for understanding why a farm works and how to get it off the ground!

who asked

@@CatnipedUwU this is a comment section you buffoon, the whole point is to comment.

​@@CatnipedUwU The dude always does this, he has a quite off-putting character and constantly has to affirm his existence to everyone.

YES! So true

Also, when u make redstone tooo complicated and obscure, it just becomes one of those niche things nobody cares about

@@shreyjain3197 Definetly a lot of people care about top level technical minecraft, no matter how complicated. Of course when the entry level is higher you cant expect everyone to follow.

The thing with Mumbo's content is it quickly it becomes purely uneducational entertainment. I've watched years of his videos and I'm sure anyone would come to the same conclusion after the 20th video : there's not much to be learned in most videos, the video is filled with "and we place a repeater here and an observer there oh man this is complicated". Don't get me wrong, it is entertaining, but little to no time is spent showcasing interesting mechanics, all the time is spent building arbitrary logic to do cool pointless things. Sometimes mojang would add a new feature and mumbo would do some day one surface level experiment with it, having some fun, not push it further. Yes there are some good mumbo videos in the sea of the entertainment-only ones. By comparison, ilmango (just an easy example) will usually explain (and sometimes discover) 1~3 interesting mechanics in each video, so we learn more by watching more. There's no stagnation. Mango gives his thought process going through the high level concepts, and pros vs cons of the different possible ways he considered before choosing the optimal one, instead of reciting what he did off camera or speedtalking through the logic gates. I mean did you know zombie villagers spawn 5x more likely in old growth pine taiga biome, which reduces the rates of spider farms slightly ? Yeah me neither xD Short of sifting the code or wiki to find these gems. Not to mention gnembon, who transcended the realm of technical Minecraft, in more ways than one, and ended up making the tool that all technical players use (carpet)

@@YounesLayachi he does make actual tutorial and explaination at times, especially his older videos but it will be boring if he explains exactly how his redstone works every videos and I think that's something we can agree on.

@@YounesLayachi Ironically, I think everything you say is true - but also the exact reason so many people like Mumbo's content. You don't need to be into redstone (let alone care about the game's behind the scenes numbers) to enjoy his videos. Only few people are really deep into redstone (at least compared to other parts of the game) - his style of videos allows for a much bigger audience to begin with and then there's the fact that he's quite the talented entertainer indeed.

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Jesse bab person what u doin' here

Didn’t expect to see you here

You’re the guy from bab

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and so am i !

​@@frankgrimes7388 Even though I'm a doc fan, I agree that he shouldn't be mentioned when we ask about the best redstoner. Doc is the networking guy. He brings some of the ideas and gives a bit of assistance to the geniuses who create it.

tryly one of purplers videos

Needs a slander version asap

@@inspectortalon the category of cart tech having only 1 competitor

It’s the guy from the hills

@@SpringonMC actually, its not!

Thats what she said

Your mom to your dad after meeting me

Lets go set that world record

@@sir_slimestone3797 the world record the holder of which wants nobody to know about

@@theseangle not only wants but needs

well they'll probably sabotage and burn each other's irl houses before they can so I don't think it's a good idea unless you support violence

Nope. Because the best redstone build of all time 1. Doesn’t exist and 2. Refer to the first thing

Mega mob farm which uses 0 tick pistons doors to hold mobs in the nether allowing them to build up, then ship them out onto a flying machine where they will then be analyzed by a computer, then they get sorted and packed into entity cramming proof shipping containers where thousands of mobs can be held at once

@@neoncat6820 meh. Impractical. In terms of that you might be interested in Scicraft’s old slime farm, which had some computational redstone to figure out the fill level of the entire storage system

@@sgrey9181 this is why we cant have nice things 😂

I think part of it is Etho just makes what is fun to him, he doesn't build doors or fully working computers or anything that really fits a competitive category. Instead he invented the hopper clock and many still call it an etho hopper clock. What he does is experiment with new features in survival and finds creative uses for them like making Wilson (basically a tamogatchi), the Pixel, Googler, and his latest shulker search engine, made a 3x3 door minus the center so he can enderpearl through it, and otherwise just makes what he feels like. In a similar vein Tangotek currently likes making fully survival redstone minigames like Decked out, amoung us in Minecraft, Basalt Assault, and also doors amd iron farms. These are incomparables that don't really fit in any of the general categories mentioned in the video. I don't watch sethbling so i don't know what his focus is, but as a rule the popular youtubers are spending too much time making fun and accessible content to be the litteral best redstoner even if it was possible to define.

Being first doesn't mean you are the best. Etho and Sethbling have contributed more to Minecraft than anyone mentioned in this video probably ever will. And they deserve the upmost respect for that. But they are far from the best. The things being done by the people mentioned in this video is far more advanced than anything they have ever done

@@jasonreed7522 Sethbling was computational, he once made mario in minecraft and various other things however, as far as I can tell he no longer plays minecraft often focusing more on other projects instead

but biased doesnt have an l

@@KwikBR do you are have stupid 3:17

for comparison mumbo's only slimeless 5x5 is 20x20x21 (8400 blocks), a standard 5x5 currently would be 540b and the smallest is 220b, from fast doors the fastest is 0.3s closing/0.6s opening, but mumbo hasn't attempted a fast door yet

I feel like 540 is standard especially after 2020 since 540s are much more common than 576s (with obs) in build logs

Mattbatwings appears briefly later in the video :)

what is the ip of the server

I think that sammyuri would suffer at slimestone, but at computional redstone, he is unbeatable for now.

@@minebuilder1805 Sammy's actually really good at slimestone too xd

@@minebuilder1805 Yeah I've built loads of slimestone actually lmao, what I struggle in is technical redstone See this (unlisted) channel on my video for one of the things I've made: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gKd4g9Whx7LTg4k.html

@@minebuilder1805 hes really good at slimestone and doors too

Ok, thanks for correcting, i just never saw him building large structures with slimeblocks or honey blocks

Same XD I immediately open the comments 😆

​@@waffle623 or is he?