Who is the GOAT in sports: Tom Brady or Michael Jordan?

Who is the GOAT in sports: Tom Brady or Michael Jordan? - Skip & Shannon I NFL I UNDISPUTED

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Tom Brady is beginning his quest for his eighth Super Bowl ring tonight, but his legacy as an all-time NFL legend is already cemented and now looks to be viewed as one of the greatest athletes of all time. Even when Brady was still chasing Joe Montana’s Super Bowl total in 2013, TB12 told Julian Edelman quote: 'I ain’t going for Montana. I’m going for Jordan.' Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe debate whether Brady is better than Michael Jordan.
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Who is the GOAT in sports: Tom Brady or Michael Jordan? - Skip & Shannon I NFL I UNDISPUTED
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@UndisputedOnFS1 2 жыл бұрын

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@bluelivesmurder5696 2 жыл бұрын

The answer is clearly Tom Brady

@DEFKNIGHT 2 жыл бұрын

I think they are forgetting Wayne Gretzky

@MarconiDilliano 2 жыл бұрын

You are comparing someone who is known globally to someone who plays sport known only in America... Have you ever been abroad guys? :) who is Brady seriously?

@bossmon8650 2 жыл бұрын

Derek jeter never gets any love 5 world championship with the Yankees let me guess it’s baseball

@williamwallacejr522 2 жыл бұрын

Floyd Mayweather is the 🐐 of all sports period

@cody95 2 жыл бұрын

This might be Shannon’s least favorite debate topic ever

@marcusreed5862 2 жыл бұрын

Facts lmaoooo

@jimmyb4361 2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@zeken0 2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@sharifs649 2 жыл бұрын

His face at the beginning was priceless

@ChuchuJS 2 жыл бұрын

Lol He don’t care about non of them

@landonrutherford5466 2 жыл бұрын

“Brady or Jordan?” Shannon: *sweating

@paulsilloway60 2 жыл бұрын

U know wrestling is a sport too what about john cena, Jordan, and Brady

@123brendan12 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulsilloway60 lmaooooo knock it off

@kevmersa6578 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulsilloway60 lmfao

@mitch6962 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulsilloway60 Cena isn't even a top 10 wrestler.

@paulsilloway60 2 жыл бұрын

@@mitch6962 how is that when he won more championships than any other wrestlers

@corie8906 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, this is Peak Undisputed, lol. No yelling and screaming, a civil, respectful and fiery discussion. Good job 👏🏾

@tokouatonga7914 2 жыл бұрын

“I looked at him, he was different, he was different different.” Lol 😂 never a dull moment w uncle Shay.

@83jdc1 2 жыл бұрын

As a person who only watches the basketball segments, it was weird seeing Skip argue against Jordan.

@dakingnate5793 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah foreal lmao

@younotit6736 2 жыл бұрын

Football is harder and more taxing on your body. Football also involves more strategy. You HAVE to give it to Brady.

@MrEOM41 2 жыл бұрын

He loves TB

@dakingnate5793 2 жыл бұрын

@@younotit6736 yeah but he barely gets hit, I feel like mike gets hit more, like them bad boy pistons they was dirty

@sundigest1121 2 жыл бұрын

@@dakingnate5793 That's why Brady gets to play at a high level in his 40s. That doesn't happen in basketball

@logicaldude3611 2 жыл бұрын

Remember years back when Tom Brady said he wanted to play until he was 45 and everybody laughed at him? Who's laughing now?

@irs4486 2 жыл бұрын

get a job

@leyosouljaz 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t remember anyone laughing 😂 but if there’s any positions to do it at. It’s definitely QB

@realitybites629 2 жыл бұрын

@@leyosouljaz you definitely dont watch football,. Kickers can last a lifetime lol

@littlewing6231 2 жыл бұрын

@@realitybites629 you don’t understand the sport then. Kickers? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Kick ball…… leave field. Matt Stover I timed his total time on the field and it was 1:23 One minute twenty three seconds. Unless they are trying to save a td on a kickoff they go untouched. That’s why no one mentioned kickers. 🤦‍♂️

@realitybites629 2 жыл бұрын

@@littlewing6231 so, kicker is not a position? Some Superbowls are won with no TD because of kickers so it is definitely a POSITION.

@musicismypassion9289 2 жыл бұрын

I disagree with Shannon, even MJ said in the last dance that he never won a championship without Pippen…. So Jordan definitely relied on someone to win championships

@wnnfrhrw4452 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan relied upon Jordan's entire team to win a Chip.

@n0rth495 2 жыл бұрын

lmao

@paolocarlocayanan2960 Жыл бұрын

MJ goes beyond basketball. He's a pop culture icon

@dagocane8306 Жыл бұрын

So is Brady???

@mugabeking5026 Жыл бұрын

@@dagocane8306 brady is not known outside America 🇺🇸 but jordan he different mn

@jj041995 Жыл бұрын

@@dagocane8306 Nah, nowhere near on Jordan's level as far as influential athletes go. People outside of the 'States MAY know Tom Brady, but it's unquestionable that people outside of the 'States KNOW Michael Jordan.

@RT-xj3of 11 ай бұрын

@@mugabeking5026lmao is this a joke?

@outlaw3258 7 ай бұрын

@@mugabeking5026that’s why in the international football games you see Tom Brady jerseys everywhere lol I’d say Tom is more quiet about his success but he has far more success than Jordan Jordan could only win a championship on the bowls never did it on another team

@803jamesd 2 жыл бұрын

It’s pretty interesting how 7-game playoffs vs 1-game playoffs is used by both sides to say one is harder. In 7-game series you can afford to lose a game so you have some room for errors, but in a 1-game series you can also catch a team on an off night or luck into a win.

@bluelivesmurder5696 2 жыл бұрын

1 game series is much harder. You have to be at your best every single game.

@datsapaddlin 2 жыл бұрын

I think Jordan is better but it’s harder to win in the NFL and Brady has won more than most franchises.

@bluelivesmurder5696 2 жыл бұрын

@@datsapaddlin Brady is better at football than Jordan was at Basketball.

@Tmalik21g 2 жыл бұрын

@@datsapaddlin Brady has to be good at one facet of the game. If the defense was trash would he have all those rings?

@TheHypeEngine 2 жыл бұрын

Truth

@JM-44- 2 жыл бұрын

I am actually Shocked that skip didn’t find a way to mention Lebron 😂

@mrlalalaelmo7454 2 жыл бұрын

🐐

@jacorymarshall7192 2 жыл бұрын

Glad he didn’t

@Mercurial. 2 жыл бұрын

It LeShannon who starts mentioning him first with that silly GOAT talk!

@OJ9779 2 жыл бұрын

He’s not worthy in this conversation

@scoutman 2 жыл бұрын

lebron who?

@Asiansensei932 2 жыл бұрын

I have to put mj over Brady for goat just for the simple fact that mj plays on both ends whereas Brady is only focusing on offence. Tom also played in a softer league whereas mike played in the 80s/90s of basketball. I love both of them so very much but I have to go Mike

@jaedenfavors7773 2 жыл бұрын

Log out The point on Jordan playing offense and defense and Brady playing offense. Makes 0 sense. Football in itself is more physical than basketball. 80s 90s basketball was physical but not even close to how football is. In football it’s legal to run full speed and hit somebody as long as it’s not helmet to helmet.

@kweli05 Жыл бұрын

I agree. And they have made football to where you can hardly touch the QB. Brady can probably play until 50 with these rules today. Also, no football player can ever be called the greatest of all sports because individual players don't have as much impact. They play half the game at the most. It's the ultimate team sport.

@qualicumjack3906 Жыл бұрын

@@kweli05 Saying the QB doesn’t have as much impact is dumb af wow

@kweli05 Жыл бұрын

@@qualicumjack3906 0 impact on their defense. Deal with it.

@qualicumjack3906 Жыл бұрын

@@kweli05 Do you really think you’re saying something here?

@karlkalauni3321 2 жыл бұрын

I'd say Jordan. Everything aside, game 7s, series, rules, game layout etc,. He went to 6 and won 6. 2, 3peats on 2 occassions. Never folded once in the big time. Imo

@thorodinson1933 2 жыл бұрын

In all fairness Tom didn’t fold either but it takes more than one guy to not fold to win

@karlkalauni3321 2 жыл бұрын

@@thorodinson1933 fair call.

@yunglilnyquil3005 2 жыл бұрын

Brady has 2 achievements that put him in a league of his own for me. He has more rings (7) than any franchise in the history of the NFL, and he has more Super Bowl MVPS (5) than any QB in history has rings.

@rumham7631 2 жыл бұрын

The reality of the situation is that it just is not possible to make a fair comparison between the two. The sports are too different to make an accurate, fair comparison. They are both incredible talents within their own sport. If we're asking who is more athletic, obviously Jordan. If we're asking who has more impressive accomplishments, probably Brady. Who is a more gifted individual player? Probably Jordan. Who is better at finding and utilizing their teammates strengths? Brady. The comparison just doesn't work well because football teams have more than twice as many players as a basketball team, Quarterback is basically the only position that can drastically influence a football team, and even then you still have to have good receivers/linemen. In basketball you can have dogshit teammates and still shine as an individual(Westbrook, Harden etc.)

@bflex89 2 жыл бұрын

Id say brady he's 2 lucky throws away from having nine. But jordan and brady are both just out of this world

@MetaGameGuides 2 жыл бұрын

I feel I have watched this segment 1,000 times already.

@jaredcook4577 2 жыл бұрын

No kidding!

@ASMjaiy 2 жыл бұрын

@MyRefriedBeans18 2 жыл бұрын

You have

@keith5583 2 жыл бұрын

You know 1000 more are coming once Brady retires

@vomitingforever5392 2 жыл бұрын

That's why I only watch during the nfl and nba season. First nfl game is tonight and I checked back in and it's the same. All shows go back to taking about Jordan/LeBron/Brady when there's nothing current to talk about. Should change soon tho, it's sports season

@GrandAdmiralBrawn 2 жыл бұрын

This is actually a really good take from Shannon, coming from someone who is typically forced to disagree with him.

@OnewYork 2 жыл бұрын

forced 🤔 nahh! Shannon is ALWAYS Sharp (pun intended)

@CapLives 2 жыл бұрын

Thrawn profile pic, nice

@QuietStorm3757 2 жыл бұрын

I don't care who you compare MJ too you have to take into consideration that once his championship reign started he never lost, MJ can still say 6-0, no matter how many championships TB win TB still can't say how ever many he may win-0, but Brady switching teams & still win the SuperBowl, is just as impressive as Jordan winning 3 Championships, take a year off come right back & win 3more Championships, they both are GOATS of Goats in their own sports profession!

@Keter-royalerestorations 2 жыл бұрын

When talking about Elway's physique, Shannon's response is classic.

@TheStranger513 2 жыл бұрын

When it comes to these segments, I seriously entertain the thought that I'm living out the plot to Groundhog Day.

@prodKaizoku 2 жыл бұрын

lmaooo i swear bro they debate this every other week

@jerimyahrivera2972 2 жыл бұрын

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 real talk

@kendelldelsol8029 2 жыл бұрын

Man then Man like dem CDs when they stuck I fink they trying to move a little away from lebron because if that the Truth said

@pablinkz 2 жыл бұрын

I think we all stuck in this Groundhog Day loop, somebody call Bill Murray i wanna get off! 😂

@pculiarmuzik3496 2 жыл бұрын

That was actually one of the most civil debates on one of the most compelling topics I've ever seen on this show. They both made excellent points. I think Jordan was the better player and made more of an impact on his sport...but Tom's story and level of success may be even greater.

@dana22238 2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more with both points. I have watched these two many times, and this is probably one of my favorites. Jordan is on a whole different level that I don't think we will ever see again, but Tom has accomplished more than I think we will ever see in our lifetime. Both are amazing! Great video.

@The_king567 2 жыл бұрын

Neither are super famous outside the USA so they aren’t the goats

@hardeeps5295 2 жыл бұрын

@@The_king567 Jordan 100% is

@The_king567 2 жыл бұрын

@@hardeeps5295 he’s 1000000% isn’t dude everyone knows that lol 😆

@hardeeps5295 2 жыл бұрын

@@The_king567 Lol you are aware Air Jordans are one of the most famous shoes around the world right?

@speedkills232002 2 жыл бұрын

Why does Skip always repeat himself when it comes to Jordan; I covered him, sat at court side, got to know him and spells out his full government name etc. Smh

@Jus-Tin 2 жыл бұрын

aye man he is proud of his work and he wants the world to know it. Can't fault him for that but I get what you saying.

@Aguanga_cowboy007 2 жыл бұрын

This is a tough question. Two different super athletes in two different sports. I remember a previous video comparing Montana and Brady and Romos answer "Two different quarterbacks in two different eras" Both these athletes and their accomplishments set them apart in their own respective sports.

@ccbgaming6994 11 ай бұрын

Both are not as great as Phelps

@datsapaddlin 2 жыл бұрын

Only one way to decide this…put MJ at QB and Brady at shooting guard 😂.

@tonylouis6072 2 жыл бұрын

Both would be cut from the league 😂

@markomanx 2 жыл бұрын

I think prime Jordan would be better as QB than prime Brady would be at SG lol.

@MrGenexxx 2 жыл бұрын

Brady would be better shooter than Curry

@incrediblec872 2 жыл бұрын

In their respected eras💯💯💯🎯🎯 I'm with you😂

@azazelvalentine1762 2 жыл бұрын

@@markomanx actually Brady Is good at shooting

@DEFKNIGHT 2 жыл бұрын

I think they are doing Wayne Gretzky a great disservice! Wayne Gretzky was as dominant as both of them were/are and has records that will never be taken down

@colinsushiboy745 2 жыл бұрын

Mostly regular season records for Gretzky.

@openminded4751 2 жыл бұрын

Hockey isn't the most popular sport in the US, especially in the South where some have never seen snow/ice not from a machine

@aj2kj615 2 жыл бұрын

Real all around sports fans know Gretzky always gets overlooked in this convo

@serenityinsilence 2 жыл бұрын

Tiger woods is the 🐐 of all goats.

@melanatedgod5337 2 жыл бұрын

So true.

@leroysanders3564 2 жыл бұрын

This is why I like listening to Shay Sharpe... knowledge, energy and passion for the game. skip has none of that!!!

@dylanessex7816 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with Shannon's first line. I think it somes it up. I've never seen a basketball player like Jordan. The closest is probably Kobe and he studied Mike alot. But there is still some debate as to who is the most accomplished basketball player. Brady is labeled the goat by damn near everyone including his adversaries. What he has done will most likely never be replicated. The same argument can be made for Jordan. As far as who is most influential to their respective sport. Its Jordan hands down.

@feedmemoreh8458 2 жыл бұрын

Brady was a 6 round pick and became a HOF we will never see something like Brady again 6round pick QB win 7rings and 5MVP I'm super bowl. We had someone good closest to Jordan and it was Kobe Bryant.

@allendavis846 2 жыл бұрын

We comparing MJ to football players now? What are we doing here?

@Mercurial. 2 жыл бұрын

I mean Brady only plays one end of the field? Wtf is that! MJ played on BOTHS ends that's ABSOLUTE GREATNESS!

@polpol1005 2 жыл бұрын

exactly, makes no sense

@leetraviusmckay2919 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly don't know how they're comparing goats of two completely different sports

@markadams9976 2 жыл бұрын

They’re just trying to figure out who’s the goat of sports altogether

@derpmcgerp8062 2 жыл бұрын

ikr. It's a pointless debate. lol

@rafa0247 2 жыл бұрын

@@markadams9976 Eeeh, there are more than two sports my friend Ever heard of Lionel Messi?

@chillycharles910 2 жыл бұрын

Right, football takes way more than one player to win big games. Jordan won tough games mostly on his own, excelling on offense and defense. While Brady had alot of help and the team set up to win some games while he was on the sidelines

@markadams9976 2 жыл бұрын

@@rafa0247 I know that I was just giving him an answer. I prefer Serena Williams as the goat tbh

@michaelyang3910 2 жыл бұрын

It is Muhammad Ali. Didn't just dominate across an era, but he transcended sports and stood up for his values even when it hurt his brand which cannot be said about MJ, as much as I love him.

@ChrisSmith-ng8bl Жыл бұрын

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@ahdebusmeh4495 2 жыл бұрын

I'm from Singapore. Halfway round the globe from USA. Every kid/teenager was playing basketball and practicing fadeaway shots, and everyone wanna be like Jordan. He is a global icon and still is close to 30 years.

@cypher10 2 жыл бұрын

The way Skip was talking, I honestly thought he was about to say he would take Brady on 3rd and 5, over Jordan taking the 15 ft jumper.

@dawsnoshift4286 2 жыл бұрын

ONG

@melanatedgod5337 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not doing that.

@speedkills232002 2 жыл бұрын

He probably would lol

@zazzazoozay2914 2 жыл бұрын

He took Jordan and it's way harder to hit a 15 ft. jumper as opposed to throwing a 5 yard out route whether against air or against bodies.

@sjacqVO21 2 жыл бұрын

LMAOO shannon can only defend one or the other. this was tough for him

@millenniummind424 2 жыл бұрын

lol

@fumezfury9755 2 жыл бұрын

This was a great discussion 👍

@jonstevens6273 2 жыл бұрын

Think of it this way... Everyone including Brady was chasing MJ in terms of greatness. MJ is like Jimi Hendrix, he was a paradigm shift in sports and sports mentality.

@FlyingMan23 2 жыл бұрын

Tired of Lebron vs. MJ? Well here's something even more annoying!

@Venom-zi4ht 2 жыл бұрын

They didn’t mention the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history Pats against Atlanta!

@darksideon 2 жыл бұрын

Because everyone agreed that ATL choked that game away.

@caponewgp1 2 жыл бұрын

No QB in the NFL could have done what Tom did in that game.

@raytheshadowmonarch 2 жыл бұрын

@@caponewgp1 they could have. Atl lost on purpose

@dakota8381 2 жыл бұрын

@@raytheshadowmonarch So in your eyes Deshaun Kizer would have won that Superbowl, Mark Sanchez would have won it for them. Also Nathan Peterman would have won it for them.

@The_king567 2 жыл бұрын

They didn’t talk about the super bowl loses to the giants either.

@Blackphillipsupporter 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan and Brady share the one common denominator: they are the most competitive athletes to ever live and they take everything personally

@gayfrickinfrog7168 2 жыл бұрын

In american sports yes

@The_king567 2 жыл бұрын

Nah they aren’t even top ten honestly

@samarthbhatnagar347 2 жыл бұрын

what about lionel messi and other team sports like hockey, equestrian etc

@justsomedudewithnoneck8329 2 жыл бұрын

@@The_king567 how the only people over them is Messi and cr7 you can’t name 10 better than jordan and Brady😂

@The_king567 2 жыл бұрын

@@justsomedudewithnoneck8329 Michael Phelps,bolt,Neymar,Serena Williams are all better than jordan and Brady and Brady isn’t even top 100 best athletes ever lmao 🤣

@yoloyolatiscos5631 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a great fan of sports in general, and I love American sport. However, I would argue that both Ronaldo and Messi have a greater career than MJ and Tom Brady due to the level of competition there is in Football.

@2TrillSenna 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, European football has the best talent from all over the world, NBA and NFL just has domestic talent.

@agirotto1 2 жыл бұрын

Gotta agree, man. The whole world plays soccer and those two guys are at the top of the game for so long.

@zearturogrande4052 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know man, they won so much but they were unlucky they were born in the same generation, if any of those monsters were to be born any other generation both of them would have won so much more

@sub2zero679 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I feel as if all these American shows(although I love watching undisputed)when they talk about most sports they fail to mention football which has a far greater reach to people than nba and especially nfl

@thegreatone5984 2 жыл бұрын

@@2TrillSenna nba is international some of their greatest stars are from far places so domestic nah mate look again.

@gmmg8734 2 жыл бұрын

A person at his absolute peak in talent, I think Jordan is the best athlete in team sports history. But a person who remains consistently at or near the top for the longest duration, I think Brady.

@eliwise5330 2 жыл бұрын

That’s a fair assessment

@xFalconn1 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan is not the best player in team sports history. Messi and cr7 are over him

@mob3963 2 жыл бұрын

I would say messi is also up there

@francoismerieux8770 2 жыл бұрын

@@mob3963 Roger Federer

@mob4943 2 жыл бұрын

In terms of prime i would say messi, in 2012 He had 120 goal contribution in a single calender year, this record is as hard as when wilt averaged 50 points, its insane. And overall messi also have . Most ballondor / mvp. . Most golden boot / scoring title. . Most best playermaker of the year award. And he is also the best dribbler ever.

@leetraviusmckay2919 2 жыл бұрын

I'm taking Jordan because he actually did it on both ends scoring and Defense, but I get the one and done but for me it's Jordan.

@Speedy-pb6dc 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand this logic. Because of how the game is setup, that means you would never take a football goat over a basketball goat. Brady has won more than any franchise and did it in the hardest league to win in. I got Brady all day, no offense to Jordan tho.

@fyemusicplug6486 2 жыл бұрын

@@Speedy-pb6dc yeah it’s just much harder to win in football so his 7 holds more weight than Jordan’s 6

@fyemusicplug6486 2 жыл бұрын

@@Speedy-pb6dc but I do think Jordan is more skilled

@Gmacshow 2 жыл бұрын

Listen there both great as players but we have to look at it honestly brady plays fewer games but the game is more physical but brady needs more help to acheive his greatness like offense line pass protection needing receiver to catch the ball and the defense getting stops spécial teams as well but there is less room for error but brady has to play only one side of the ball. Jordan has to ball more games and the playoffs are longer but you do have more room for error too that is game not as physical as football but jordan does have to play both sides of the ball which takes more energy and jordan has to care more of à workload for his team to be successful then brady. So it depends how you look at it.

@greglitrell7097 2 жыл бұрын

He wasn't caught cheating

@187CLANproductions1 2 жыл бұрын

The fact Shannon could remember so many years back, amazes me, I couldn’t tell you what happened last month 😂

@joshuastone4467 2 жыл бұрын

Jenny’s like, “yeah thanks for the really good insight… k I’m gonna talk now, thanks”

@Terror832 2 жыл бұрын

Mike was more dominant at hoops than Tom is at football

@focushdtv809 2 жыл бұрын

? Lol how

@Jack-fg3sl 2 жыл бұрын

That’s just not true

@icetray2727 2 жыл бұрын

It’s way harder to win a championship in the NFL

@concord252able 2 жыл бұрын

@@icetray2727 Brady 5 rings were defense basketball you play both sides

@iccecj13 2 жыл бұрын

@@icetray2727 true but also MJ plays defense and offense

@ThePatman1980 2 жыл бұрын

Michael Jeffrey Jordan had so many LEGENDARY moments, his shoes are named after those moments.

@baldelonmusk8068 2 жыл бұрын

Same with Brady

@sathvic5174 2 жыл бұрын

@@baldelonmusk8068 wait what i never see people wear brady shoes come now not like jordan pls stop the cap

@baldelonmusk8068 2 жыл бұрын

@@sathvic5174 never said about the shoes, i told about the legendary moments

@Becarhodzic 2 жыл бұрын

This comment make absolute no sense???…. What are you even talking about?

@damarcusgill5185 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah so the argument is who did it without any cheating scandals. So I give it to jordan

@skyedge3407 2 жыл бұрын

As much as I love Michael Jordan. He had 6 chips, some players have 13. Some players like Lebron have won chips on multiple teams. Theres a conversation in basketball who is GOAT. In football, Brady has the stats, the MVPs, the longevity, and 7 Super Bowl wins. Thats not just more than any player, its more than any franchise in 100 years. What Brady has done is beyond comprehension. He stands alone for that reason.

@rishbahpandey8697 2 жыл бұрын

Lol Brady himself doesn't win super Bowl!! He does 0 in defense!! Also he is unathletic and QB is most unathletic and overrated position

@kevinmoy3752 Жыл бұрын

The QB only plays half the game. You can't really compare different sports like that. An individual starter in basketball will always have a greater impact on the outcome of the game than an individual football player.

@leetraviusmckay2919 2 жыл бұрын

Skip always gotta let us know he was there when that happened 😂😂

@mikebingham9700 2 жыл бұрын

May I remind you. Skip was there when it happened!

@sami0930 2 жыл бұрын

The real debate about who’s the goat in sports is between Ronaldo - Messi - Djokovic but I know Skip and Shannon have not watched any match of these players 🤣

@clutchlaughs9179 2 жыл бұрын

What makes them the goat of the sport? Just asking cause im ignorant on it

@Itsjustlikemagic 2 жыл бұрын

Dude are you serious? Ronaldo and Messi are great right now but they are not even close to being in the conversation as the greatest football player of all time. Djokovic is arguably the best at men’s tennis but doesn’t even compare to the greatest in women’s tennis.

@junghun20010329 2 жыл бұрын

@@Itsjustlikemagic messi not even close to being the greatest of all time? And djokovic doesn’t even compare to greatest women’s tennis? Watch some tennis and football

@lord4806 2 жыл бұрын

@@Itsjustlikemagic nOT eVeN ClOSe

@sami0930 2 жыл бұрын

@@clutchlaughs9179 Pure dominance of their sport in the last decade

@desean3402 2 жыл бұрын

I’m convinced that Skip just chooses the wrong side of every argument because someone has to

@skyedge3407 2 жыл бұрын

Brady being the GOAT is wrong lmao? Its 2-3 more difficult to win the Super Bowl than an NBA Championship. That said, 7 > 6

@desean3402 2 жыл бұрын

@@skyedge3407 it is way harder winning a super bowl. Which is why I don’t give individual players credit for it. Football is the ultimate team game. Brady isn’t the greatest football player ever. He’s won the most Super Bowls. There’s a difference.

@user-bm4vp7yc7d 2 жыл бұрын

MJ is the biggest star in the world. Even my mom who is 65 yrs old korean and never visited u.s. knows MJ not brady. Besides achievements both stars made , in that popularity, Almost every people in the world knows MJ. I bet even north korea people would know

@kneesoxxx7902 2 жыл бұрын

Brady never had an entire generation saying “I wanna be like Tom”

@gabrieledward7784 2 жыл бұрын

Ppl invest way more in football than in basketball. Ppl was in so captured by Micheal they was his fans they don’t care where he played except the pistons fans. But football has way more rivalries and bc Tom Brady seems to beat their teams all the time, they hat him. They hated his coach, his team, and he got hate bc he was in their company. Plus he ain’t athletic, but every qb or football if you ask, they would love to have Tom’s career

@joec.5009 2 жыл бұрын

that's a nike marketing and has nothing to do with this debate. we get it, jordan is the most popular athlete of all time. and football is only for americans, not a global transcendent sport. but brady has done better and longer. that to me is a fact.

@lovememoremeticulous4378 2 жыл бұрын

🎯 end of debate

@ignitionSoldier 2 жыл бұрын

@@joec.5009 Agreed. That was the Nike marketing machine all the way.

@Linkx16 2 жыл бұрын

@@joec.5009 saying “that’s a fact” doesn’t make it fact

@geraldgarcia777 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan. Always and forever.

@maljones1398 2 жыл бұрын

Nope shohei

@ianvanterpool7046 2 жыл бұрын

Early on id say yeah the fact he's playing now is simply amazing give that man his flowers 💐

@mos8575 2 жыл бұрын

I’m just glad Shannon knows LeBron doesn’t belong in this conversation.

@rojeliocastro9733 2 жыл бұрын

Rent free

@FernandoMartinez-om2nj 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan because of the impact he had on the entire sport. He made NBA basketball global almost by himself. As many rings and moments Brady has had in football, not even him has taken football's popularity to those same levels.

@stuckinperth 2 жыл бұрын

Your boy above mentioned Nike marketing wake up sleepy head

@WorldwideWyatt 2 жыл бұрын

By that reasoning Bird and Magic are better than Jordan. Their NCAA championship matchup is still the most watched basketball game ever, and they saved the NBA from the brink of irrelevancy. They also played on the Dream Team.

@Darieennn 2 жыл бұрын

Imma give it to Mike becuase he did more in lesser time .

@lcasanova1202 2 жыл бұрын

Great point

@bluelivesmurder5696 2 жыл бұрын

Brady won 3 championships in his first 5 years. Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs in his first 5 years.

@ashleycollins8988 2 жыл бұрын

Should've named it America sports... What about Messi and Ronaldo? Lewis and Michael? Ali? Novak Roger Rafa? There are many more guys and debates that'd be better than this overused debate on 2 guys that are Goats of their sport but pale in comparison to other goats

@hitemup2335 2 жыл бұрын

I think going 6-0 in the FINALS 3 peating twice makes up for that

@bluelivesmurder5696 2 жыл бұрын

@@hitemup2335 So you'd rather lose earlier in the playoffs than going to the Finals and losing. That logic doesn't make sense.

@obynoomere1280 2 жыл бұрын

This is a hard pick, but undeniably MJ and Brady were both extraterrestrial (ET). Wait-Brady still is! We were privileged to see these 2 athletes do their craft.

@Koufalia4 2 жыл бұрын

And this debate right here is why Undisputed is much better than all the other debate shows on TV. Period.

@tristancampbell4941 2 жыл бұрын

Bill Russell=Best Jewelry Man😂

@trevmac8362 2 жыл бұрын

Henri Richard 11 Stanley Cup Rings

@zagoriverson2166 2 жыл бұрын

Mj by far!!!Is an international icon

@frankserpico8299 2 жыл бұрын

Because no one cares about American football outside the US. What a dumb argument.

@flexinja1166 2 жыл бұрын

@@frankserpico8299 No because there is no outside competition in the NFL apart from US. Whereas in basketball, in the last season for instance the MVP, FMVP and the NBA champ were all non Americans.

@polpol1005 2 жыл бұрын

@@flexinja1166 good point

@goatstatusj5112 2 жыл бұрын

Messi and Ronaldo are international icon . Cut the bs. NFL and NBA are not only sports on the planet

@jumpman23madj1 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan. Period. Full stop. Too many great moments. Biggest inspiration in all of sports. And nobody comes close to MJ in terms putting a team on his back and getting that win

@bedwardt9712 2 жыл бұрын

Tom Brady has 7 rings in a league that’s harder to win championships. Mj only has 6. NBA is easier to carry a team by having one good player and once mj left that bulls team (the first time) they still went to the playoffs. Look at the patriots once Tom Brady left🤷🏼‍♂️. Think you are pretty biased considering your name is “jumpman23” tho.

@judahscattered4corners757 2 жыл бұрын

@@bedwardt9712 Jordan played both ends at a elite level for 120 plus games per year. Brady plays 1 phase once a week for 20 weeks. And you're telling me football is harder 😂🤣🤣 Jordan is the superior athlete on the global level. Period!!!

@kweli05 Жыл бұрын

@@bedwardt9712 I love football and it's my favorite sport. However, no football player can ever be called the GOAT of all GOATs due to the fact they have less impact on the team. Football is the ultimate team sport and the players only play half the game (offense or defense) at the most. MJ was a beast on defense as well as offense.

@ccbgaming6994 11 ай бұрын

Phelps better than both

@blkmamba31 Жыл бұрын

There is no comparison. Jordan was asked to do more just by the basic rules of basketball. One of Jordan‘s greatest moments was “the shot” because of the whole sequence of events that took place leading up to it. Jordan made the clutch steal to set up that shot. The day Tom Brady intercepts of pass from Patrick Mahomes that leads to Brady throwing the game-winning touchdown, then we can talk.

@anthonyclark9441 2 жыл бұрын

That's a tough one, if we're being totally honest. Brady has earned his due man.

@calvincalvin3132 2 жыл бұрын

@My Glxck Brady throwing is like MJ's jumpshot. The difference is Brady has to do a lot and i mean A LOT more with his mind

@j.b.macdirty6202 2 жыл бұрын

Black people won't admit Brady is better. I'm black but I gotta be totally honest here, Brady is better.

@bluelivesmurder5696 2 жыл бұрын

@@j.b.macdirty6202 Where did you get the idea black people won't say Brady is better? I know Black people who says Brady is better (I'm black myself) and I know white people who say Jordan was better.

@erikpuka2627 2 жыл бұрын

I think its Brady but an arguement is valid both sides. But the most clutch is Brady times 10. When he plays in the playoffs - everything is on the line. One mistake and its over. Its like going to the War to battle an army in the battlefield in an OG all vs all fashion in swords and shields. You either make it alive from that battle or you don't. Brady winning 7 rings which is more than any franchise is like Jordan winning more than the Celtics. And don't even start saying " Well Steelers got way less rings than the Celtics so its an unfair comparison " - you know why they have less than the Celtics ?? Cause its 10 times harder to win an NFL ring than it is to win an NBA Championship. He has won 7 rings (no QB has won more than 4) , he made 10 Superbowls (no QB more than 5) - he got 14 game winning drives - Elway got 6 and is 2nd. Brady got 6 only in the Superbowl. Brady got 34 playoff wins (34-11) - Montana is 2nd with 16 (16-7) - Brady got 16 since 2014- 16-3 recird and 4 rings. The man is so great- people hold winning against him. Its hard to be that great that people hold winning against you.

@bluelivesmurder5696 2 жыл бұрын

@@erikpuka2627 Also Brady took 2 franchises that had losing records before him and won the Super Bowl in year 1 with both franchises. Jordan had a losing record in year 1 with the Bulls and couldn't even sniff the playoffs with the Wizards. The Bulls also were 1 game away from making the Eastern Conference Finals when Jordan retired the 1st time.

@Bianconero2424 2 жыл бұрын

really appreciate these 2 (skip and shannon) debating with respect and calm. so unlike sas on first take

@panayotiscanellopoulos8696 2 жыл бұрын

From an international point of view, Michael Jordan is the greatest athlete of all time at any TEAM sport. Tom Brady is known only in USA, and some other countries that play this game... The global impact Jordan has even today, Brady can't even imagine.... Only team athletes who are near to MJ's legacy are Pele, Maradona..... Humble opinion.

@TheRedkid20 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. They call Brady (Giselo) in Brasil. Pele, Maradona are the only two at the same level, Pelé may be the only one with greater recognition.

@marcusnelson3520 9 ай бұрын

Great discussion.

@fireblood4699 2 жыл бұрын

The answer is Jordan. When Jordan was playing, no one was close to him. You have to hold players up from other eras to even compete with him and he won6 titles. Brady has the titles, but honestly there were times Manning was better, Rogers, brees etc. that was never the case with Jordan. They both have 6 ships, but how good Jordan was gives him the edge to me.

@tariqhenderson276 2 жыл бұрын

Brady has 7

@AH-bm5xs 2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree. I’m don’t know about other sports... But out of American football, basketball, tennis, boxing, mma and football (soccer), the sports which I know a lot about... Michael Jordan is definitely the greatest player of all time.

@urbaindelva7869 2 жыл бұрын

That's not true. Magic, Larry Bird, and Isiah Thomas were all still playing by the time Jordan arrived. He was not better than them right off the bat.

@fireblood4699 2 жыл бұрын

@@urbaindelva7869 and obviously we aren’t talking about tuck rule Tom. That dude wasn’t a top 10 QB in the league. In Tom’s prime though, those guys I mentioned were at times better than him. By the time jordan was winning mvps no one was bette than him

@user-ju4ew6hn1i 2 жыл бұрын

@@AH-bm5xs if you are bringing sports outside American football and basketball then Messi, CR7, and Michael Phelp with Wayne Gretzky (not sure I got the spelling right I apologize if I got it wrong) deserve a shout

@normalguy5031 2 жыл бұрын

How can you be the goat of sport when outside of America nobody knows who’s Tom Brady is unlike MJ ?

@triton423 2 жыл бұрын

No one in the entire world knows who Tom Brady is outside of the US? You’ve actually asked everyone in every other country if they know who Tom Brady is and they all said no? 😂

@matheuscastro6644 2 жыл бұрын

@@triton423 tom Brady isn't as famous as mj is outside of the us.... The nfl is not as popular.... Mj and definitely football (soccer) stars are more popular than brady

@jamesdemellow1016 2 жыл бұрын

If worldwide popularity was a factor than soccer players would be considered the greatest. I am Australian and I can tell you nobody knows any NFL player other than Brady, unless they are the rare NFL fan. Brady IS football overseas, but grid iron is just not nearly as popular internationally like basketball so its a dumb comparison.

@gilleongillis8684 2 жыл бұрын

@Triton423, football is only popular in the U.S. Basketball is a worldwide sport. It’s played everywhere and the NBA has players from all over. When you say football in any other country, they think of soccer. And before you ask, yes I have been to a lot of countries.

@matheuscastro6644 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesdemellow1016 but I believe that cristiano and messi are better at what they do than Brady is at what he does (not to mention Pele)

@nathanpapp432 Жыл бұрын

Bolt, Phelps, Senna, Messi, Ali, Bonds, and Gretzky all deserve a mention. Golf and Tennis arent sports btw.

@kasino24k71 2 жыл бұрын

Skip completely lost me on this take..MJ has more MVPs than Brady…plus a better championship record. MJ is the standard for the NBA . 🤷🏾‍♂️

@use4Less 2 жыл бұрын

And Brady is the standard for the NFL. MJ status as the goat of basketball could still be up for debate but nobody touches Brady in the goat of football convo.

@kasino24k71 2 жыл бұрын

@@use4Less bruh Jordan’s goat status is not up for debate….let’s be honest. There is no player close to MJ…but I feel you on Brady’s legacy but it’s really just from his offensive stats …Brady don’t play Defense 🗣That’s why I give MJ the edge

@kasino24k71 2 жыл бұрын

@@williamwoods778 how many times has the defense won those Super Bowl rings for Brady🤷🏾‍♂️

@blackcobra1981 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan played Defense and need: Teammates to hit shots Teammates to Rebound Teammates to defend Brady dont play Defense and needs: Offensive line to block RBs to control the clock WRs/ TE to catch Defense to make stops Special Teams to play well QBs needs more help and rely more on their Teammates

@AH-bm5xs 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Tom Brady does a handful of things extremely well. But Jordan dominated on both ends of the court. Completely destroyed all opponents on both. He’s the greatest offensive player of all time in basketball and top 10, maybe even pushing top 5 greatest defenders of all time in basketball. It’s truly astonishing.

@worldtree2027 2 жыл бұрын

Realistically Jordan needs that but if his teammates don’t do that he will still be good. If QBs don’t get blocking or catching they literally cannot produce or have stats 😂. There’s a clear difference in contribution based on the amount of teammates used and their roles.

@BenDoveHer-ii1se 2 жыл бұрын

Dont forget about coaching, both had arguably the greatest sports coach of all time on their team (Phil Jackson, Bill Belichek)

@be4st856 2 жыл бұрын

you can't cross compare sports like that lmao. because you can argue that if mj didn't need as much help, then he should have more than 6 if he was so great. you can only cross compare them by comparing them to their own peers (other legends) and weighing their resumes against those guys, and that gap in resume between jordan and brady and the next guy in their own sport tells you who's the greatest. And it's Brady by a long shot.

@worldtree2027 2 жыл бұрын

@@be4st856 That only works if everybody’s competition is equal. In basketball you’re competing directly against the opposition on both ends. It’s like 50s players vs current ones, the difference between the best and worst QB, RB, and TE was a much larger gap than it is in 2021. Does that mean 50s players are greater than current NFL players Bc they’re far more superior to peers? No, in this case it means the competition is weaker. And Michael Jordan in basketball is probably close to consensus and other options are Top 25 team sports athletes to ever exist. In football maybe 2-3 of them can actually make a Top 25 team sport athlete list because most slots will go to players of different sports with more control and freedom to impact the game. I can’t even put an NFL player ahead of Wayne Gretzky, Messi, or Larry Bird.

@ufsteropolstero6014 2 жыл бұрын

8:10 Skip: I don't know what you thought of Elway's physique Shannon: It was aaa..aaight (shakes head) lmao!!

@claeg.5712 2 жыл бұрын

This was a great segment.

@salvatoresultana4058 2 жыл бұрын

Michael Jordan was so great, that the 1994/95 Bulls, which was essentially the 96 team without him and Rodman, went 34-31 before he returned. Their record the next year, only things that changed were Jordan and Rodman playing full-time, 87-13.

@qualicumjack3906 Жыл бұрын

That’s not true there are only 70 games in a season

@salvatoresultana4058 Жыл бұрын

@@qualicumjack3906 that’s the regular season and playoffs together. 72-10 in the regular season, 15-3 in the playoffs. 87-13.

@chilldoc9638 Жыл бұрын

@@qualicumjack3906 82

@infinitevos 2 жыл бұрын

Great and best aren't necessarily the same thing. Best is arguable but Jordan is undeniably the greatest. His reach with his brand as an athlete and retired athlete hasn't been replicated yet.

@azazelvalentine1762 2 жыл бұрын

You can't name Jordan the greatest cause of his shoes 🤣

@kbjr9423 2 жыл бұрын

@@azazelvalentine1762 he didn't say it like that

@azazelvalentine1762 2 жыл бұрын

@@kbjr9423 that's basically what he said. This conversation has nothing to do with their brand

@schnekec 2 жыл бұрын

@@azazelvalentine1762 People don't understand the difference between popular and great.

@azazelvalentine1762 2 жыл бұрын

@@schnekec exactly. Most of the people in the comments are say Jordan is better cause he's more known worldwide

@anthonybennett2837 2 жыл бұрын

*It’s hard for me to call TB the goat over MJ cause he only plays one side of the field but you have to factor in that winning in the NFL is way harder than winning in the NBA, less room for error, you always have to be at your best*

@eliwise5330 2 жыл бұрын

Yes but at the same time. You also can’t luck out in a 7 game series like basketball. A player gets hot for a game could always happen but because of the series format it’s a war of attrition how long can you sustain that? How well can you bounce back? How well can you counter schemes that get more specific over the course of a long series. It’s harder to beat the same team multiple times than once because these athletes have their pride okay you beat me once I’m not letting you walk over me tho. That’s the mindset for anyone in general. I don’t think single game or 7 is inherently better than the other method but I don’t think we should use the logic that it’s harder to win in football because of the number of games. I think the position argument is valid because qb is tough but the amount of games shouldn’t be a deciding factor

@worldtree2027 2 жыл бұрын

@@eliwise5330 It depends on the team. A bad team having to beat a way better team 1 time is easier. But a really good team having to beat a team 1 time is a little harder Bc it’s less room for error.

@isaiah1931 2 жыл бұрын

@@williamwoods778 Well Football is much more of a team sport than Basketball is and ring count isn’t a super fair comparison. The QB is the most important single position in football but if Brady doesn’t have a top 10 defense like he had for every one of his Super Bowl wins then he loses much more than 3. Jordan was an elite defender and like Shannon said he was capable of scoring half of his teams points for an entire game on one side and locking down the opposing teams best guard on the other. Plus most guys outside of Horry who have more than six rings were on the Celtics team with Bill Russell who won 11 and that team had nine HOFs when there were only 8-10 teams.

@trevmac8362 2 жыл бұрын

@@isaiah1931 Easy to play "D" in the playoffs when in 83 of Brady's playoff wins he has his offense on the field for 35 minutes and his team up 10-20 points in 80% of the games he's played.

@isaiah1931 2 жыл бұрын

@@williamwoods778 Brady doesn’t have more Super Bowl MVPs then Michael Jordan has Finals MVPs (despite more wins and appearances). Jordan has more regular season MVPs and Jordan led the NBA in scoring 10 times which I would equate to Brady either leading the league in passing or TDs. Pick your poison but either way Brady only did both of those things a combined 7 times. MJ never lost in the finals. MJ was a steals leader 3 times, 9 time all NBA defensive team and a Defensive Player of the Year because, of yeah, basketball players have to play defense. That’s not to mention the countless game winning shots MJ has. So objectively, MJs accomplishments are better overall. The only place he beat him is in ring count.

@aronjacob9949 2 жыл бұрын

The debate was pretty interesting , both play at the highest level

@stano.326 2 жыл бұрын

Hello darkness, my old friend 😂 at 4:51

@skinnychubby100 2 жыл бұрын

It's amazing how this topic finally had Skip admitting Tom Brady's bad games for no once and how it has Shannon pretty much admitting the reasons why Jordan is better than Lebron in an underline way. Like my Grandad use to say " boy you get the real answers from ppl not when you ask them the direct question but when you just let them talk " lol😂😂😂

@cyber6sapien 2 жыл бұрын

LOL! Exactly!

@FactsNReason 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for me it’s not close: MJ: goats of goats 1. 6/6 2. More MVPs - finals and reg season 3. Multiple defensive player of year - bball a player has more impact on the outcome than in football 4. Multiple scoring champs - and the other stats are equally crazy 5. Greater performance delta btw him and his contemporaries 6. More iconic / memorable moves / shots / plays that have historic implications 7. More of a cultural icon - Jordan jump man is iconic w greatness 8. Radically changed the game and help accelerate its international appeal 9. More athletic - one of the most athletic players ever 10. Probably one of the most competitive / driven / motivated athlete, if not person - pulled team across the line … last Dance

@n0rth495 2 жыл бұрын

You're right

@dontellbenjamin417 2 жыл бұрын

This debate is hilarious on so many levels

@omieg89 2 жыл бұрын

This was actually one of the best Skip and Shannon segments. This was a discussion and Skip was actually reasonable.

@CycleCruza 2 жыл бұрын

MJ had more swagger!

@leanthonymoore5818 2 жыл бұрын

Brady swagger is tough too, but Jordan of course.

@markwatson3766 2 жыл бұрын

Brady is clutch times 10. MJ no match to Brady's clutch performances. However, Brady is very dull and boring.

@vincemeyers2064 2 жыл бұрын

@@markwatson3766 1998 finals game 6…..

@Wavy612 2 жыл бұрын

@@markwatson3766 Brady doesn’t have to play defense. Brady can’t win if his defense doesn’t do it’s job and he has no control on that. Meanwhile Jordan defense was amazing

@somregularguy 2 жыл бұрын

@@markwatson3766 more clutch? Bro 1 has finals loses and the other one hasn’t lost in the finals

@MaarSRT 2 жыл бұрын

I know Skip probably came all over himself when he found out this was going to be a debate today. Slobbering from the mouth at the idea he can talk about both MJ and Brady at the same time

@obynoomere1280 2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@samarthbhatnagar347 2 жыл бұрын

who is brady first of all?

@michaeltaylor9566 2 жыл бұрын

After the Atlanta Falcon Super Bowl I started calling him Jordan Brady

@theblackflame4002 2 жыл бұрын

Thank God! I was just thinking that this topic hadn't come up yet this week. Whew! I'm at a point I just troll the comments a bit because I have no idea how people can watch these two discuss literally the same 3-4 topics every day.

@Milanista4 2 жыл бұрын

You cannot become GOAT of “Sports” when you’re practising a sport which literally only has importance in one country - and I love the NFL, btw.

@mat52298 2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@nomnsookeke4882 2 жыл бұрын

That has nothing to do with greatness, but okay

@nostalgiacorner1999 2 жыл бұрын

Messi is a choker

@jaybun3030 2 жыл бұрын

Skip : “I was there.” 🙄😂

@AnthonyJohnson-hl1ru 2 жыл бұрын

Well he was

@fisher-samoyed9857 2 жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyJohnson-hl1ru I was there too..

@hanniefrei 2 жыл бұрын

Their memory about sports events and numbers amazes. I dont even remember what I ate this morning.

@earljohnson2613 2 жыл бұрын

People forget MJ had to play offense and defense,Brady just play offense

@SteveGellerMusic Жыл бұрын

Well yeah, but that is basically saying that every basketball player is automatically better than (virtually) every football player, as well as every hockey goalie, every American League pitcher, etc. Jordan didn't lose 5 yards of offense every time one of his teammates flinched a tiny bit just before a play started. They each have certain tasks to accomplish, related to their sports.

@earljohnson2613 Жыл бұрын

@@SteveGellerMusic Nobody in sports media has ever said a goalie or pitcher is the greatest athlete of all time a boxer and a tennis player would have a better chance winning that title before a goalie or pitcher 😆 🤣 😂 but this is about MJ vs Brady and I would take someone who can run faster jump higher score and guard over someone who's best athletic ability is throwing a football and I like Brady I think Brady is the greatest football player of all time but not greatest athlete of all time

@SteveGellerMusic Жыл бұрын

@@earljohnson2613 If it is an "atheltic / run faster / jump higher" competition, Brady is 4000th. His skill involves reading a defense, moving around in a pocket while 3 to 6 monsters are chasing him, and throwing pinpoint passes, in 2 seconds, to receivers who are moving at top speed. It's more than just throwing a ball.

@earljohnson2613 Жыл бұрын

@@SteveGellerMusic MJ had to read the defense also in fact MJ had to worry about the whole defense focus on him and they still couldn't stop him Jordan is one player I know who should have won defensive and offensive player of the year and he had to do that for 86 games to be honest football shouldn't even be a sport because humans are not suppose to crash into each other at full speed football is a savage barbaric sport but America loves violence almost every hit in football is the same as being in a car wreck but no other country plays football because that's not what the human body is made for but anyway when it comes to being the greatest athlete I still have MJ top and Ali close second plus MJ played 2 sports he sucked at baseball but he was still athletic enough to play!

@SteveGellerMusic Жыл бұрын

@@earljohnson2613 I did not expect the "football shouldn't even be a sport" discussion here. Also, the difference between maybe having to account for a rim-protecting center on a drive, or swinging the ball around for an open shot, and having 4 280-linemen who run a 4.5s 40 trying to slam into you 2 seconds from now is pretty significant. Even in the 90's, when drive to the paint were met with elbows, Jordan was never actually one blown assignment from a teammate away from a career-ending injury. But it is what it is. We'll see how history judges things.

@Wu.Tang.Financial 2 жыл бұрын

MJ, he was an elite defender and an unstoppable scorer. Basketball is also less team and coach dependent by its design than football.

@bluelivesmurder5696 2 жыл бұрын

Is that why MJ couldn't win without his teammate and coach while Brady wins REGARDLESS of who his teammates and coaches are?

@ThePatman1980 2 жыл бұрын

Brady won his first two rings thanks to Vinatieri's leg. MJ played DEFENSE. Brady does not. MJ was MVP in every Finals he was in. Brady was not.

@DRAMz-re7oo 2 жыл бұрын

Skip got all excited thinking about John Elways physique lmao 🤣

@PhillyJohnny 2 жыл бұрын

Those two are so elevated above everyone else it doesn’t really even matter. It’s impossible to be better than either one.

@leetraviusmckay2919 2 жыл бұрын

If we're being honest outside of the U.S. nobody knows who Brady is

@Saviiq 2 жыл бұрын

U dum af if u think that

@j.b.macdirty6202 2 жыл бұрын

Outside of the U.S. doesn't matter.

@REDANDSILVER741 2 жыл бұрын

Not true, Brady may not be as famous as he is in the states but he’s still known world wide.

@colbythedell2749 2 жыл бұрын

With Tom Brady being in the super bowl almost every year and it being broadcasted to the whole world.. I bet a lot of people out of the states know who Tom Brady is lmao!

@be4st856 2 жыл бұрын

i'm seeing this take a lot, and it's a dumb argument in a debate of greatness. we're not debating influence. we're debating greatness. being a beneficiary of nike marketing and playing a global sport aren't worthy points in favor of jordan being greater than brady... the debate is still easy though. You can't cross-compare sports or their respective physical and mental talents (because that's idiot logic), but what you can do is cross-compare them by comparing them to their own peers (other legends) and weighing their resumes against those guys, and that gap in resume between Jordan and Brady and the next closest guys in their own sport tells you who's the greatest... And Brady wins by a long shot.

@bohokomatiko8426 2 жыл бұрын

80% of the people in the other side of the world don't even know who Tom Brady is. This is a null and void debate.

@erikpuka2627 2 жыл бұрын

@jamesdemellow1016 2 жыл бұрын

because basketball is more popular overseas... stupid point. American football is barely played overseas whereas you now have many elite foreign players in the NBA due to basketball's international popularity.

@markwatson3766 2 жыл бұрын

By that logic, Messi and Cristiano is way more popular than Jordan. No debate then.

@vincemeyers2064 2 жыл бұрын

@@markwatson3766 Everybody knows who jordan is stop it 😂

@vincemeyers2064 2 жыл бұрын

@@markwatson3766 You might wanna watch the 1992 Olympic documentary before saying people in other countries don’t know who jordan is….

@ballineveryday1208 2 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best debates where it's not heated, it's just good talk

@Raghuveer2798 2 жыл бұрын

Michael Jordan is a global sports icon. He is the reason basketball took off outside America. Nobody cares about American football outside America and most people don't even know who Brady is as great as he is. My dad who never even watched basketball knows MJ. So it's MJ over Brady easily. And there are quite a few sports outside these two where there are greater atheletes.

@Lord2wiceAsReal 2 жыл бұрын

It's Michael Jordan hands down for me

@bluelivesmurder5696 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan couldn't win a championship with multiple teams, Brady did Jordan couldn't win a championship without Scottie Pippen or Phil Jackson, No single player or coach was there when Brady won all 7 of his championships. The Bulls were 1 game away from making the Eastern Conference Finals when Jordan retired the first time. The Patriots couldn't even win half their games after Brady left Jordan has multiple losing seasons. Brady has never had a losing season

@jy9174 2 жыл бұрын

Let’s be serious here… J.R Smith is the goat

@markwatson3766 2 жыл бұрын

FACTS!

@frenkiedegoat2114 2 жыл бұрын

Henny thing is possible!🤷‍♂️

@519achilles 2 жыл бұрын

Well in my opinion it's Jordan. Everybody in the world knew and still knows Michael Jordan, but not that much people outside USA know who Tom Brady is. I was a little kid in the 90s and didn't know any other teams in NBA, I only knew Jordan and Chicago Bulls and I still remember how much most kids wanted to buy air Jordan shoes, in a country(Greece) where football(soccer for USA) is the most popular sport!