Who is the most toxic Soprano? Power Law 10: Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power.

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Bully Whispers

Bully Whispers

Жыл бұрын

In this episode, we will evaluate law 10 of Robert Greene's 48 laws of power in the Sopranos by first looking at the matriarch of misery, Livia. Then we will move on to Janice, who encapsulates aspects of multiple historical examples in the chapter, specifically in her dealings with Richie Aprile, Ralph Cifaretto and Bobby Baccala...and end with Tony Soprano, who casts a much wider net, providing an excellent example of law 10 in action both through him and against him through his crew. Along the way we will also run into Vito Spatafore, Paulie Walnuts, Irina Peltsin, Gloria Trillo and Svetlana Kirilenko.
Junior was left out intentionally because he really isn't in the same league as the other three Sopranos.

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@bullywhispers9544
@bullywhispers9544 Жыл бұрын
Junior is not on the list because, lets be honest, he isnt in the same league as the other three in this regard. Thanks for watching!
@MomMom4Cubs
@MomMom4Cubs Жыл бұрын
I totally agree! He's just not a varsity trauma llama.
@Drew_Thompson
@Drew_Thompson Жыл бұрын
It’s funny because I was going to say junior. He’s the worst parts of Janice and tony combined, he’s just a cool uncle until business is involved.
@mogreen1232
@mogreen1232 Жыл бұрын
Junior traumatized tony by taking out dickie lol and dickie could’ve helped livia…tbh junior was a villain
@rudimwongozi2169
@rudimwongozi2169 Жыл бұрын
What do you mean Junior is not in the same league as the other toxic Sopranos? First off he tried to kill Tony twice during the course of the series. The very first season starts off with Junior trying to ice somebody in Artie's restaurant. He had Chris Multisanti's friend killed. He's the prime suspect behind Chris' father Dickie Multisanti's killing. What's NOT toxic about Junior?
@champloo933
@champloo933 Жыл бұрын
he’s a goddamn hothouse flower
@dannybodros5180
@dannybodros5180 Жыл бұрын
Livia is the most toxic Soprano, 100%.
@dtraversodt
@dtraversodt Жыл бұрын
Livia's qualities were in EVERYONE sooner(Meadow,Tony,Janice) or later(AJ,Janice). Barbara was probably more strong and silent like Johnny Boy..but without his temper from the little we saw of her
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
@@dtraversodt Johnny boy was neither strong nor silent.
@fredontiveros1037
@fredontiveros1037 Жыл бұрын
@@dewilew2137 when he’s right he’s right.
@Clembo
@Clembo Жыл бұрын
This is her at the end of her life and at her most bitter and strong. Janice is so utterly devoid of any empathy for anyone but herself she will eventually make her look like a pussycat.
@warprimeminister
@warprimeminister Жыл бұрын
Ohhhh poooor you
@cyrusamaria
@cyrusamaria Жыл бұрын
Silvio had to be the most positive influence on Tony. That’s another reason Tony valued him as a friend. When you go around him there’s no competition, drama, he understands being a husband, a dad and when you see him it’s at a strip club. Which also was a top tier power move by Sil.. he owns the family’s de facto headquarters.
@plaidchuck
@plaidchuck Жыл бұрын
Eh it seems like it was split between there and satriales.
@tedwojtasik8781
@tedwojtasik8781 Жыл бұрын
@@plaidchuck I dunno, why Tony stopped hanging out at Barone Sanitation is beyond me. He was banging that hot born-again christian honey with the nice rack and she seemed like the type of mistress who would be happy with a quick garden and some bling. Oh well, Tony always went for the crazy pikachu 🙂
@Bread_Media
@Bread_Media Жыл бұрын
Tony for sure is the most toxic. He destroys people wherever he goes, and he's way more like Livia than he or many fans of the show would care to admit. The difference between him and her is he has way more agency, influence and power.
@miracle_grrrl_mira
@miracle_grrrl_mira Жыл бұрын
yeah, and Livia basically ruined Tony by forcing him to retaliate against Junior, undermining his attempts to get help from Melfi, and in the end I almost feel that this is what she wanted. not necessarily for Tony to die, but she made sure he didn't outshine her or their family in general, at least not in a moral sense. like how she stopped Johnny from going out west. she basically assured that the curse was passed on.
@Speleomimus
@Speleomimus Жыл бұрын
Id argue against that. Tony at least has a goal and lines he will not cross when it comes to family (his nuclear family anyway). Livia was a mad dog, ready to kill anyone over a mild inconvenience
@crono420
@crono420 9 ай бұрын
Livia would kill her own children if she could. Tony wouldn't
@Argos-xb8ek
@Argos-xb8ek 7 ай бұрын
​@crono420 Livia got three people killed. Tony killed more and it's the relationships he had with said people that made it worse. He had two of his best friends sons killed murdered one of them himself killed two people he loved with his own hands.
@Fredrickthe2nd
@Fredrickthe2nd Ай бұрын
@@Speleomimus Tony was getting worse and worse throughout the show who knows what he'd be like when he got to Livia's age
@TheSuperhomosapien
@TheSuperhomosapien Жыл бұрын
If you played a drinking game where you took a drink every time a member of the Soprano family displayed a Cluster B personality trait you'd die of alcohol poising before you made it through one episode.
@Buford_T_Justice1
@Buford_T_Justice1 Жыл бұрын
Johnny boy was a saint!
@KwangTheMongrel
@KwangTheMongrel Жыл бұрын
Also good job with the ancient Roman reference to Livia. I always wondered if Tony’s mom was named after livia drusila
@kemperboyd1209
@kemperboyd1209 Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna argue that in an extremely roundabout way Janice IS responsible for Bobby's death because by marrying him she pushed him to get closer to Tony and Tony felt obligated to bring him into the inner circle. If Bobby isn't Tony's brother-in-law he almost certainly never becomes his underboss and is subsequently never targeted by New York.
@frankmurphy7234
@frankmurphy7234 Жыл бұрын
Damn U Right!
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
If you look at things that way, you can make anyone “responsible” for anything. I’m sure that’s some tragedy in your personal life that can be manipulated to make you culpable as well.
@cosmicskates7721
@cosmicskates7721 Жыл бұрын
Yup bc when you genuinely and like wholeheartedly, unconditionally care about & love another person (& vice versa), you damn well do all that is humanly possible to protect and shield that person from the agony & pain of any wretched harm that could even remotely manifest near them whatsoever. imho of course 🙃
@letsgobrandon7297
@letsgobrandon7297 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t know Volodymyr Zelenskyy shot Tony at the end.
@AgentRafa
@AgentRafa Жыл бұрын
Well, Zelensky is the most toxic of them all that's for sure.
@KwangTheMongrel
@KwangTheMongrel Жыл бұрын
Best sopranos content on yt!! Always stoked when I see a new Bully Whispers in my feed.
@MomMom4Cubs
@MomMom4Cubs Жыл бұрын
I woke up in good time!
@MarloMaverickk
@MarloMaverickk Жыл бұрын
I was just wondering about a video like "who is the most evil soprano" and a couple hours later, you deliver!
@lucyxdreams
@lucyxdreams Жыл бұрын
Actually we did get to see Janice as a mother, few times it may have been. Tormenting Bobby's kids with that computer progrum was horrible, and all part of her plan to weasel into Bacala's life.
@jennaharris6053
@jennaharris6053 10 ай бұрын
Yeah and with her bio daughter. I’m surprised he was so dismissive of those parts.
@mrhippoh909
@mrhippoh909 Жыл бұрын
Lola Montez needs to be talked about more. Wow. Just wow
@laurenpeterson9510
@laurenpeterson9510 Жыл бұрын
Great episode!
@samuelault4723
@samuelault4723 Жыл бұрын
Most to least toxic: livia, tony, Janice Tony’s also the best character ever made in a tv show and that’s why we love him
@PAX777
@PAX777 Жыл бұрын
Short answer to this rhetorical question: "Who was the most Toxic character in the show ( all seasons)? Anthony Soprano Sr. After season 2, and especially during the final season, it is fairly obvious that Tony was the most evil and toxic fictional character to ever grace the silver screen. He was the epitome of evil. A better and more challenging question to ask would be: Who was the most endearing and decent character in this show, considering how everyone was a scumbag of sorts?
@cosmicskates7721
@cosmicskates7721 Жыл бұрын
The most endearing and decent character on the show was Mrs. Conti 😆 I'm just joshin' lol k, i think the most endearing and decent was Dr. Krakower (sp?) He is the mental health professional who Dr Melfi strongly recommended for Carmela to seek treatment with. 🎯
@CharlieSummthin845
@CharlieSummthin845 11 ай бұрын
Nah it’s Livia, she okayed her sons death lol all over bein put in a retirement community I could never see Tony doin that
@tedwojtasik8781
@tedwojtasik8781 Жыл бұрын
As Livia, Johnny-Boy, and the environment Tony & Janice grew up in are the wellspring of all they became, Livia and Johnny-Boy are responsible. Livia is the most abhorrent of all the Soprano's and Tony was right when he told his mom, if she had been born in the 70's, she would be the one running the family and not Tony.
@laprincessa9787
@laprincessa9787 11 ай бұрын
LIVIA, JANICE, TONY, AJ. In that EXACT ORDER DAMMNIT!😂😂😂
@cosmicskates7721
@cosmicskates7721 Жыл бұрын
Lol i'm binging on unwatched Bully Whispers Sopranosverse videos lol 😆
@TotalTech2.
@TotalTech2. Жыл бұрын
AJ deserves an honorable mention
@jamok3
@jamok3 11 ай бұрын
Don't forget when Janice tried to change, Tony did what he could to stop it. I think Tony is the most toxic. Watching the way he treated Hesh when Hesh loaned him the money is difficult.
@NotQuiteFirst
@NotQuiteFirst Жыл бұрын
Why do you keep showing a picture of classical composer and virtuoso pianist Franz Lizst when talking about the newspaper owner? Or am I mistaken?
@roderickpullum4204
@roderickpullum4204 Жыл бұрын
I love this channel and all of your content. You create amazing video essays. I'd like to see you do some longer deep dives on topics. Like really dig in on something 20-30 minutes. I know that's asking a lot, and a great deal of work goes into doing these videos. Just speak as a greedy but appreciative fan of your work.
@MomMom4Cubs
@MomMom4Cubs Жыл бұрын
My egg donor sure sounds a lot like Livia, except my younger sister is now Janice and I'm more like sister-in-law (I'm freed from these narcissistic trauma llamas). I always felt for Janice's baby, even though we never learn how it turned out for her.
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
“Egg donor”? 🙄🙄🙄
@weshouser821
@weshouser821 Жыл бұрын
@@dewilew2137 Some people are born through artificial insemination. Some people need egg donors to become pregnant in this way. They use a process called "in vitro fertilization" to transplant the embryo from one woman into another woman. This leads to a person having a "mother" who carried the child, and the "egg donor" who supplied half of the DNA to the child.
@nickradan9285
@nickradan9285 Жыл бұрын
Really loving the channel and this content. May be early to ask but are you gonna do the same type of stuff with Greene's other books like The 33 Strategies of War at some point?
@johnmoog
@johnmoog Жыл бұрын
Someday do a compare/contrast between Livia on Sopranos & Evelyn on 2 1/2 Men
@TimParker-Chambers
@TimParker-Chambers 8 ай бұрын
11:23 Livia: Her toxicity touched all who encountered her, regardless of if they were direct family (such as how she set Artie against Tony) I imagine Christopher would not have been surprized to have seen her in HeII... 🙈🙈🙈🙈
@Halbared
@Halbared Жыл бұрын
I shall comment without watching first and then comment later. I actually made this list a few years ago. I'll be interested to see yours...
@Halbared
@Halbared Жыл бұрын
Watched it, aha, mine js. Janice Livia Junior AJ Tony Carmen Meadow Barbara
@KingRichard1013
@KingRichard1013 Жыл бұрын
For me personally everybody on this show was toxic and horrible in their own ways. But in terms of choosing, who is the most toxic Soprano family member, that’s tough, because nobody in the family was innocent not even Carmela, AJ and Meadow. This show shows you that in all aspects of life in terms of the human race is that nobody in this world is truly good of course, people in this world may like to act like they’re good and act like they’re perfect but in reality, that’s not the case because throughout all the great things about the show, but the one great thing in particular is how the show makes you, feel about the characters how it makes you go from rooting for the characters one moment and then making you hate them another because that’s what the show does. It shows you the good and the bad amongst the characters in because at the end of the day the show has to remind you that you really shouldn’t be rooting for any of these characters because they’re all not good people, and basically everybody sucks in this show, but if I had to choose personally, who is the most toxic Soprano ‘s it would for me have to go to Livia because she is the one who is responsible for all the toxicity, and she’s also responsible for the horrible person that her son turned out to be and she’s also essentially responsible for the hood rat that Janice turned out to be and even when she passed her toxicity and her negative influence continued to carry on because that’s how much of an affect she had on everybody in the show.
@kojiattwood
@kojiattwood Жыл бұрын
7:25 That's Franz Liszt.
@1846tt
@1846tt Жыл бұрын
I say hands down Tony, while he's not as miserable as the ladies, he certainly miserable enough, and with his power and influence and huge circle around him, he en mass spreads more misery through more lives then Livia and Janice combined, practically exponentially. And it's not by chance, his ambition and influence, personal attributes, he used, inadvertently or not to spread misery through so many lives. And if you're saying quality or quantity, Janice killed one person, how many did Tony drive to suicide? At least two right off the top of my head probably more. Hands down Tony
@dr3dg352
@dr3dg352 Жыл бұрын
Are you saying Tone's a toxshic poyson????
@cosmicskates7721
@cosmicskates7721 Жыл бұрын
Lol!
@sladen3884
@sladen3884 Жыл бұрын
Livia created all the toxicity on the list, both literally and figuratively. Even if you wanted to say Tony achieved higher in the field of toxicity, he did so because he stood on her shoulders.
@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available
@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available Жыл бұрын
AJ, without a doubt
@Adamortega_
@Adamortega_ Жыл бұрын
Is this even a question? Tony started the trope of the main character destroys and ruins everything around him
@plaidchuck
@plaidchuck Жыл бұрын
Yeah Weiner really carried this into Mad Men
@TotalTech2.
@TotalTech2. Жыл бұрын
It's Janice Soprano and here is why. With Tony and his mother you pretty much know what you are getting within a minute or 2 of meeting them Lydia on the other hand is far more insidious. She almost seems like a half decent person and by the time you see how bad she is it's too late. She may not be as evil as Tony and her mother but she is definitely the most toxic
@HC-cb4yp
@HC-cb4yp Жыл бұрын
05:02 Frank Costanza?!
@mfmf100
@mfmf100 Жыл бұрын
Tony’s practically a serial killer by the end
@murraykelm5691
@murraykelm5691 Жыл бұрын
It was Barbara she was so toxic that they did not even dare to show her acts on television.
@adamp2426
@adamp2426 11 ай бұрын
Janice. She'd off the entire Soprano clan, if there was profit in it for her.
@akultisgod5538
@akultisgod5538 Жыл бұрын
LIVIA!!!
@thehonestrealtor9070
@thehonestrealtor9070 Жыл бұрын
Carmela is one of the most toxic.
@KingRichard1013
@KingRichard1013 Жыл бұрын
How?
@cosmicskates7721
@cosmicskates7721 Жыл бұрын
Revisit the drama surrounding Jeannie Cusamano & her elitist twin sis Joanie -- "Are you threatening me?" "What threatening?" Holy moly lol 🥧
@ronyventura9301
@ronyventura9301 Жыл бұрын
Either Tony or his muda
@ShikataGaNai100
@ShikataGaNai100 6 ай бұрын
This isn't even a close call...the answer is Livia Soprano.
@patrickhamos2987
@patrickhamos2987 Жыл бұрын
didnt know this was a lop til now the title looks more baity lol
@jsldj
@jsldj 10 ай бұрын
NO ONE comes close to Livia!
@LDNBOYPODCAST
@LDNBOYPODCAST Жыл бұрын
Janice reminds me of lola montez
@michaelharris2288
@michaelharris2288 Жыл бұрын
9:03 sewercide
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
💀💀💀
@xlixity
@xlixity Жыл бұрын
Livia. No question. No other Soprano desired to have a family member whacked.
@newperve
@newperve Жыл бұрын
Does a fiancé count?
@johnlewisbrooks
@johnlewisbrooks 3 ай бұрын
If not Livia, Paulie. They caused more shit behind Tony than anyone!
@tomdanks3427
@tomdanks3427 Жыл бұрын
AIDS 😂 that always gets me
@edstringer1138
@edstringer1138 Жыл бұрын
Janice by a long shot ,,,She tried to hide her toxicity unlike Livia who displayed it to the world
@dtraversodt
@dtraversodt Жыл бұрын
Yoooo Janice had multiple personalities and it's like she was like a crazy combo of Johnny and Livia and she soaked up qualities of Carmela,Meadow,AJ and Tony throughout the seasons 😳
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
@@dtraversodt no.
@cosmicskates7721
@cosmicskates7721 Жыл бұрын
Yup and so entertaining lol took me a few rewatches, like when Livia's a name dropper ' Rose Kennedy' to highlight somebody's desire to spend money extravagantly and stuff like that🤣
@dtraversodt
@dtraversodt Жыл бұрын
@@dewilew2137 yes
@dirtdealer6813
@dirtdealer6813 Жыл бұрын
Tie between Carmella and Janice
@davemoss9505
@davemoss9505 Жыл бұрын
The biggest brain in The Sopranos was Charmaine bucco.
@foeboi1855
@foeboi1855 7 ай бұрын
Livia most def wit a mom like dat tony nor his 2 sisters had a real chance
@bernardcorinaldi7873
@bernardcorinaldi7873 11 ай бұрын
Janice, Livia didn't live that long
@CHICANO1975
@CHICANO1975 Жыл бұрын
"I'd rathah smotha them with a pillow than take them to Nevadah!"
@angelparrilla2068
@angelparrilla2068 Жыл бұрын
Id say janice is worst cause i think tony would have let alot of shit just die with livia and she kept butting into the worst parts of Tony's life by dating everyone in his gang.
@VivaCubaRoja
@VivaCubaRoja Жыл бұрын
For me it’s Livia, hands down.
@onyxturpin6382
@onyxturpin6382 Жыл бұрын
LIVIA was the real OG 😂 “ I don’t like that kinda of taalk” “poor you” “you think his friend come use some talking to?”; Janice was so much like her
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
Tony was way more like her.
@antmonk8537
@antmonk8537 Жыл бұрын
Tony easily, Tony is a monster. He betrays his wife with women, he betrays his colleagues and underlings, he exploits and ruins the lives of his childhood friends, he's murdered his own kin just for becoming too much of an inconvenience to him. And still believes that he's 'a good guy, basically'.
@adamgorski51
@adamgorski51 Жыл бұрын
AJ
@dr.bright5670
@dr.bright5670 Жыл бұрын
Meadow is the most toxic for me personally. She has the emotional awareness/sociopathy of Tony and the manipulative personality/denial of Carmela. Terrifying and all hidden behind great looks
@ndogg20
@ndogg20 Жыл бұрын
Never even thought about Meadow in that context, great point. In a family full of malcontents, how can she not be affected in some way? Meadow's character reminds me of the daughter in that old sitcom The Munsters, she's the only normal person in a family of monsters. Which is a good reason to possibly think Meadow is unaffected, but possibly just as toxic underneath it all.
@loganerb3952
@loganerb3952 Жыл бұрын
Towards the end I saw a lot of similarities between Janice and Meadow (personality wise not looks obviously) any young man looking to marry her needs to RUN
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
Clearly, you have no idea what sociopathy is. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Meadow is anything close to a sociopath. She is neither particularly manipulative, nor is she in denial about anything. It blows my mind how so many of you fail to miss what these characters are actually supposed to represent. I feel like you watched a completely different show.
@element720
@element720 Жыл бұрын
I feel like half the show is demonstrating that, despite how despicable Tony is as protagonist, the Sopranos around him both past and present are worse. So, the A-hole ain’t so bad after all.
@mockdr
@mockdr Жыл бұрын
What, is Tony some kind of TOXIC PERSON or something?
@briangray5921
@briangray5921 Жыл бұрын
Artie such a sad sack
@justpeachy4851
@justpeachy4851 Жыл бұрын
I grew up with a mother like Livvie & it's ruined my sister's life. And she in turn is the same to her kids. It's so destructive to be a miserable parent.
@nickjohnson6368
@nickjohnson6368 Жыл бұрын
AIDS?!?!?!
@mouradhaouari4599
@mouradhaouari4599 Жыл бұрын
No body got AIDS..
@chickenman7801
@chickenman7801 Жыл бұрын
Tony. He infected us all, and we buy into his victimhood from James Gandolfini's charisma alone!
@chrischlon2020
@chrischlon2020 Жыл бұрын
Tony dad most toxic out them all in that lifestyle
@LKaramazov
@LKaramazov 10 ай бұрын
Didn’t Pauli with all of his ratting to Johnny sac almost cause a war? I think Pauli is the worst person on the show. Janice I give a pass because I’ve got a thing for her! 😂
@dtraversodt
@dtraversodt Жыл бұрын
JANICE ,even slightly more than Tony, was the MOST toxic Soprano cause she had the worst of Johnny Boy AND Livia in her. Tony was more like Livia than he wanted. AJ early on was emotionless one minute but whiny the next like Livia(later he was a male Janice) and Carmela.Meadow was more like Livia and Tony in her teen angst period but later stoic like Johnny Boy and calculated like Carmela.
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the characters on this show. Wow.
@Terrylovestock
@Terrylovestock 10 ай бұрын
Harpo is pretty toxic ngl
@Bingbangboompowwham
@Bingbangboompowwham Жыл бұрын
Every time I watch Sopranos content I have nightmares. They are all evil
@TheBooks810
@TheBooks810 Жыл бұрын
before watching this i'm gonna say Tony's mom followed by Janis..
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
Not even close.
@newperve
@newperve Жыл бұрын
Janice has a special type of toxicity, lead.
@mrpopo-sf3ke
@mrpopo-sf3ke Жыл бұрын
Tony's wife was the most toxic. Aj/Meadow were the second most toxic. The rest of them were all good dudes 💪🏻✊🏻😎
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
Nah, you just hate women, and you hate AJ because he reminds you of yourself.
@mrpopo-sf3ke
@mrpopo-sf3ke Жыл бұрын
@@dewilew2137 Nice try, miss chronically offended. I loved Adriana, Dr.Melphi and Svetlana. Svetlana was probably the strongest female character in the entire serie. All those 3 female characters were differend from eachother but they never gave Tony any unnecessary burden and were the only ones who were genuinly nice to Tony. Until Adriana became a rat of course, but she got what she deserved from the end of Silvio's pistol respectfully. Tony's wife was a huge burden, but Tony unfortunately is one of those characters who couldn't live without "a wife", even if she was a gold digging soccer mom who's dumber than a shoe and only cooks. But I also disliked Jimmy and Pussy who ratted on Tony. I also disliked Ralph's character who by the way genuinly hated women.
@stevezac_cptlpnshmnt
@stevezac_cptlpnshmnt Жыл бұрын
Id say Livia and Janice are the two most toxic people on The Sopranos for sure
@lilmane1070
@lilmane1070 Жыл бұрын
It’s fucking Barbara, come on
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 Жыл бұрын
Why are all Sopranos fan channels rife with misogyny? What is wrong with you?
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