She literally said she had to take a 3 hour walk after reading her script. That told me everything i needed to know. I think it's pretty obvious Emilia wasn't thrilled with the way the show ended.

@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 I just think about all she went through with her health and how she persevered because she knew what her character meant for others. She was a symbol of strength that many people men and women and queer folk would look up to (even beyonce had a poster of daenerys in her recording studio). It's just unreal to me how her character when from a benevolent woman who freed slaves and was a queen FOR THE PEOPLE, to becoming a "mad queen" because she's a targaryen. I always thought what made Dany "DANY" was the fact that she was not like other targaryens. She had a kind heart and unlike her ancestors who rose to power simply because it was her birthright, but because she knew that she was the only one who could break the cycle of monarchs being out of touch with the people. AAAAA it just drives me mad knowing how dirty they did her.

@@barbiana1802 Honestly Dany going mad made the fans go mad. Our madness is actually logical and understandable.🤣

@@barbiana1802 queer folk!? Wtf does setting a slave free have to do with Queer folk!? You can literally go to PRISON for calling a trans guy his or her biological sex. But the so called "queer" can shit on everyone else with no repercussions. Please man. Don't be bloody stupid. Queers are not oppressed and George rr Martin doesn't give a f***.

@@barbiana1802 Dani was always a bloodthirsty, vengeful, and violent Targaryen with questionable morals. She Crucifies every single master in Mereen indescriminantly and wants every master in Yunkai slaughtered. She makes an exception for Jorah and when he brings up her hypocrisy since he was a slave trader and she allowed him to live, she barely changes her tune. From the very beginning she is true to her house words, planning on conquoring westeros with Fire and Blood. She is bloodthirsty, cruel, and unjust. Sure, she has a soft spot for slaves and the common folk, but she is an absolutist dictator at the end of the day, and a fascist to the places she conquors.

Oh yeah most definitely. Even though i hate how Dany's character ended i will admit that Emilia absolutely killed it when she destroyed King's Landing. The look on her face, the sound she makes that's kinda a mix between an outraged growl and a heartbroken sob. Good lord i fully believed that she was going mad there. Hate the writing. Loved the performance.

She put her whole targussy into her performance

Emilia couldn't portray a reckless, traumatized, uneducated teenager, because she is gentle, mature and warm.

No she was a wicked evil woman with a 🐉

Interesting seeing so many of these portrayals of Dany with dark eyebrows. I wonder how many of these artists remembered her look from season 1 where Emilia dyed her eyebrows to be as light as the rest of her hair.

THANK YOU

LOL, I used that same quote in my reply. And it's 100% correct.

@@mrplinkett4429 Just because you liked it when Jon threatened to kill a mother for not handing over her child or tortured Kastark, doesn’t mean he isn’t a villain.

@@rehaan6428 whoa im not book reader but when did that happen? Im a show watcher who gets tidbits from other sources.....

@@danajones5358 Basically what happens is that Jon suspects that Melisandre will burn Mance Rayder's son because of his King's blood. So Jon switches that babe with Gilly's babe since Mel gains nothing by sacrificing a babe with no King's blood. Gilly wants to take both of them and get away but Jon forbids it. He then proceeds to make her put her hand over the flame to prove a point and she leaves crying. Obviously this is a very complex situation but Jon gets almost no flak for this while Dany definitely would have under the same situations. According to Alys Kastark, Cregan plans to marry her then kill his brother to claim lordship of Karkhold. Then she fears that after a son is born, they will kill her so she flees the marriage and seeks protection from the Night's watch. Cregan comes to the Night's watch and Jon immediately throws him and his men into the ice cells, which are basically torture rooms with their freezing temperature. Jon the gives him an option to either join the Night's watch or be stuck in the ice cells. He also debates throwing in Janos Slynt in there to force compliance. See how complex the situations are? That's what happens when you generalize Dany's actions as "Dragon Lady uses torture and kills people, Dragon Lady mad."

Truly. Or anything else about his Targ identity save for undermining Dany.

Thank you!!!! Why doesn’t that bother people!

John is a actually Aemon Targareon ("_th of his name"). The dragons recognized that he was a Targareon and Danny urged them to let him ride. So they let him ride.

@@alfredhernandez9799 riding a dragon is not easy even some pure Targaryens couldnt ride dragons

​@alfredhernandez9799 That's not how that works at all, just being a targaryen doesn't make dragons submissive. In the books there are plenty examples of them killing tags, and even dany had the problem in the books because she had no clue how to train them.

Naw I agree 100%. I could have ranted about that for several minutes but didn’t think that would make a good video. But yeah. Gross. D&D exposed their own nihilistic, shitty philosophy with that one

Hitler's imagery is simply the "go-to" resource for Hollywood when they need to tell the public a character or group is a dangerous ruler/government system. If it worked for Star Wars, why shouldn't it work for everything else, right? The last seasons of GOT devolved into just that: cliche Hollywood tropes. Completely superficial.

I think, you missed the point here... Not only missed, but shot in the most wrong direction possible! Damn, English isn't my first language but even I (a dumb himbo) understood his point!

I don’t think anyone missed the point they and myself don’t agree with it or with how it was portrayed!

@@DavidLightbringer Dude don't back peddle. There is no need. You were only commenting how the scene was shot, and you were right. It was in fact shot in a Hitler:esque manner. I'm one of the crowd who really despised how that character was ended. Like you said, went from the savior of the free world to tyrant in only a couple of episodes. GoT was always about killing off beloved characters. Nobody was safe. It also had a nack for making characters go through good and bad phases. In our eyes they rise and fall and rise again. (very "soapy" if you ask me). But at this point we already had so many villains in the show, whom we loved to hate, we didn't need another one. I was hoping into the very end that Dany would have that change of heart back to good that we all knew would never come. Because it's GoT.

100%. Boils my blood too, I hope that came across lol

*Virtue signaling*

You don't think it's true though? I think it still showed that there are degrees. I believe the books will have a similar message. Only, they'll probably leave somebody as a check/balance on power. I don't think Dany should be queen, she's not Westerosi...but as a threat to the next King or Queen? As a check on power too powerful? She's perfect for that. Dany for supreme court, not president.

Damnit you’re right. She was my Bernie sanders lol

@@annohalloran6020 🤣

which is why I disagree with people when they say D&D are great at adapting, they maybe good at best but great? no way, the show is good because it's based on amazing source material but also they've had a really good team of Cinematographers, Music, Acting, Directing, and everything you need to make a great show and the parts where it's D&D's job they did a mediocre job, they missed a lot of the points, symbolism, story-lines, characters and all kinds of different things that could have made the show closer to book quality but they missed it.

What they done to Dorne I will NEVER forget it.

Daenery Targaryen season 2 on the show was completely different to the books, They made her act entitled on the show. She threatened Qarth with fire and blood on the show, in the books Qarth welcomed Dany into the city. D&D said Dany didn't care about her brother, Book Dany thinks about visery even after his death in the books. In the books Dany is very intelligent and perceptive, on the show she was a one dimensional Conqueror who took city's and did very little else. Dany didn't feed any masters to her dragons in the books, but D&D added a scene which had Dany feeding masters to her dragons. We got very little of Danys child like innocence and compassionate side on the show, in the books Dany is arguably the most benevolent character and thinks about the downtrodden with every decision she makes. No doubt about it, Dany is a flawed character, she ain't perfect, but so is every other character in this series, but D&D held Daenery up to a different standard than everybody else. The double standards in the show were shocking and the show fans didn't see any of those double standards. Interesting how everyone was on the Jon snow bandwagon, but jons the heir to the throne they said. Sorry but I don't believe in birthright and I don't believe Jon should get the throne just because Rheagers and lyanna had sex. The throne should be earnt and Daenery earnt that throne more than any other character on the show.

Its hard to rewatch past season 4 isn't it? Most shows after that in hindsight are a mess

@@asoiaf5763 In the books is Quentyn Martell who is killed by a dragon, not a master. He had two drops of Targaryen blood and thought he could handle a dragon

music to my ears, tell your friends hahaha

hope you giggled at my "BEST SEASON EVAH" joke lol and yeah I love Emilia, she's a wonderful human being and she understood the assignment, exactly

When will the books ever come out. George is no hurry to finish…

The ones that are desperate for the book to end like the tv series are Tyrion and Jon's fans who can't accept that those two are the ones who are going crazy🤷🏻‍♀️ Tyrion is a villain and Jon will be a villain too if he comes back😔😔

@@lisettenash8338 They made a wonderful, strong man into a weak willed, easily manipulated food in season 8. Jon and Dany were my fav characters and they completely ruined them. Sansa didnt care about people, she cared for what she always cared for, power. She broke her oath quickly and easily to help her get it too. And why is noone even remembering that this was a freaking war, and in war people die. Hell Cersie killed how many people in just the last season alone? Including her own family members? Tyrion killed his lover and father, his sister tried to kill him alot and still he betrays Dany to save them, and uses his words to move the weak willed Jon to do his dirty work for him. This last season sucked so bad.

Imma have to disagree. I thought that elwas well within her character (at least show wise). She's essentially based her entire sense of self around her being the 'rightful heir' to the Iron throne. Every time she talks to someone she waxes poetic about how it's hers by blood and birthrights. Now she finds out that Jon is a legitimate Targ and thus ahead of her in the line of succession. Her sense of self is threatened. If she isn't the legitimate heir to the throne, if it isn't hers by birthright, than who is she? What has everything she's done up to this point been for? Add to that the fact that Jon is beloved by the Northerners, far more than she wcould ever hope to be and suddenly her position becomes even more tenuous.

@@campbellsoup93 Show wise this is solid, but Dany from the books only wants the throne because Viserys wanted it so badly. She’s grown up in poverty hearing stories of how their family once ruled a continent and produced many decent rulers. At first, she believes that her father being The Mad King is a lie made up by their enemies because Viserys told her that was what it was. In the books she says “I want to make my kingdom beautiful, to fill it with fat men and pretty maids. I want to see my people smile as I ride by, the way Viserys said they smiled for my father.” Daenerys finds herself alone after the deaths of her brother, husband and son, and can’t have any children according to Mirri, so she goes after the throne as a way to be close to a family she never knew and to do what Viserys said they needed to do since now she’s the last Targaryen who can. She has no family and can’t be an innocent child like she wishes, so she goes and protects innocent children being hurt by slavery and frees the Unsullied who were hurt as boys by this system. She later learns that Viserys was very wrong about her father, and so she strives to be a better ruler than he was by staying in Meereen since she feels responsible for why it’s so chaotic and dangerous there now. I can see her maybe going down a similar downfall in the books that she did in the show, but the Dany in the books that exist now would be happy that she’s not alone anymore if she learned about Jon. She could have a family to love and to love her in return and she wouldn’t be the last of her house. I think she’d be overjoyed.

@@nevaehaho61 Not to mention that the solution is simple; Targaryen custom almost demands they marry, and combine their claims. But I wonder if Jon will see it differently.

If Dany just wanted a home she could of stayed in essos were she was queen. Deny truly wants to be loved and when she isn't she response with violence

@@javier8015 In the show, yes, but this video was mainly about Dany from the books. People tend to forget that the people Dany kills are slavers and abusers and generally horrible people. She doesn’t really kill anyone innocent at all. The people she’s killed have been truly reprehensible. She doesn’t just kill whoever doesn’t agree with her.

She could have also went back to Essos

Nor Jon or Dany would be the ruler anyway, that much was obvious (especially Jon, who never wanted it and won't want it since he's always a Stark first, and not a Targaryen).

In my head canon she walks away and goes back to the house with the red door.

If she lives there's no reason for her not to bee queen, and if she dies there's no reason for the seven kingdoms to continue existing as a single kingdom, i think the logic end is that westeros will go back to be 7 kingdoms, and that's why Bran will be king, he will be the king in the north🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

I think she will go back to Essos in the end to find her house with the red door and continue her fight against slavery. Dany needs to realize that Westeros was never the home she was looking for and I think she will realize that after the Long Night and after losing Jon (because Jon is dying for sure, unfortunately).

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*Danny Devito meme* “So anyway I just started burning”

@@DavidLightbringerwe had completely different take aways as Dany as a character. She is going to burn everyone in Essos because it is too hard to keep peace. That includes slaves, children, everyone. She realized at the end of dance, she is a dragon and they don’t plant trees.

"Suddenly I realized that I was sitting on a dragon and they were not, so I shouted UNLIMITED POWER and Witness the firepower of this fully grown and operational battledragon."

She was trying to literally tell d&d that but they wrote her in a rather cold and rude way since season 2 which goes to show they probably didn’t read the books and just nitpick some moments and not the entire arc of characters motivations and complexities

awww thank you so much, that means a lot!

​@@DavidLightbringer Where did you get that little Targaryen emoji? I need and want it.

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I feel the same. I was really down after the show so Dave's Dany takes have been most welcome.

I feel exactly the same!

So 100% agree with this analysis

Dany is one of the reasons I embarked on the books, her character is so interesting and complex and I really disagree with what they did to her. All I hope is if she "goes bad" in the books it will be handled better.

At that point she had to die , she went full psycho way too fast...

@nathan smith helping slaves to freedom isn’t good? Trying to protect a woman from being raped isn’t good?

On Dany defense that city sucks and was full of shitty people

It’s honestly funny how 15 year old Book Dany accomplishes more in the first few months of being in Meereen compared to the entire reign of like 21- year old TV Dany. Like they black washed her reign in Meereen so much and added even more scenes to make her look incompetent. At the same time, whitewashing Tyrion and Jon snow.

@@rehaan6428 so so so true

@@rehaan6428 Tiryon in ADWD is very very black.

@@rehaan6428 can i ask how they blackwashed dany and whitewashed tyrion and jon?? aren't they all white??

@@mariadaniella07 Whitewashing is a common term to describe making someone look better by hiding the sins and crimes of a person, while blackwashing I believe is meant to represent the opposite, making a person look worse than they are by highlighting their crimes and sins.

To all the characters really. Arya is perceptive and lonely but she's changed to be "muh sociopath" generic badass, or Sansa's servant. Tyrion is intelligent but full of self-hatred with darker tendencies to "le funny drunk dwarf"- all the characters were downgraded except for Sansa, who turned from a naive, sheltered child slowly growing out of her "fairy tale" mindset into this "Muh political genius" girlboss just because she wears black.

She’s still upset about that she’s even read the books to guide her through the show but d&d obviously didn’t like her character and favored others and gave them a happy ending meanwhile dany got a character assassination because they wanted to do Star Wars and thought making dany into a complete tyrant would make Jon’s story better and justified when all it showed was that they’re lazy idiots who never had passion for the world of ice and fire

i wonder if maybe jon con does something along those lines first and then a greyscale infected aegon does something even more cruel later on. it would add more layers to their nicknames of griff and young griff.

Holy shit, you made that make sense. Dany arrives and sees the fiery city and thinks, “WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED HERE?!” But everyone blames Dany because she flies in on a big-ass dragon and had a reputation for burning cities.

@@gdhuertas07 Probably more likely that Daenerys is in a position to take King's Landing, the city rings its bells in surrender, Jon Connington goes nuts and does something war criminalish in response, Dany is taken aback by being attacked despite the city allegedly surrendering, has her dragon(s) breathe fire, and then the city goes up in flames from all of the buried wildfire caches that Jaime never did anything about. I don't think Daenerys will end up as the villain (in the readers' eyes anyway), but one of her flaws is that she has a rosy-eyed view about her family (largest example is when she refuses to let Ser Barristan tell her about how bad her father was) and their right to rule, and she needs that wake-up call to have King's Landing blow up in her face and then have someone tell her (Jaime or Brienne) that yep, this is your family's legacy, and this is the result of your father's cruelty and your need to reclaim your "birthright". Hopefully, the story ends with her seeking redemption through fighting the Others, as many have speculated that D&D switched the order of the events in the books.

@@lluewhyn Adding to your theory: l think it’ll be Jaime. The prospect of Dany meeting the actual Kingslayer (and her possible half-brother) is too good of an opportunity to pass up.

@@gdhuertas07 It could be, but Tyrion has a dream of being responsible for Jaime's death.

at first i thought it must've been the iron islanders that open the starbucks, but everything is backwards in westeros, geographically, so white harbor is prolly more like seattle, so the starbucks came with the manderlys, beans obviously imported from volantis or some such, but does dany know that? her disappointment at not finding coffee on the greyjoy ships was palpable

🤣🤣🤣🤣 100% the Manderlys started the Starbucks, that's a no-brainer. I don't know why it works but it does. Perhaps the Starbucks Ahab logo is influencing me

it's a HUGE MONSTROUS PILE OF SWORDS I mean as metaphors go it's not subtle is it

Luckily, the Throne of The house of the dragon will be more menacing.

It should have been Theon who ended the long night. Off topic, but you reminded me.

couldn't agree more with all of that!! Well said!

I love everything you said

TRUE

I actually like book Jon vs show Jon. Book Jon was perceptive just like Dany. He had things to learn but he noticed people's mannerisms and character. Show Jon was just dumb.

@@astoldbymuriel103 I personally didn't really think Jon was dumb untill he was resurrected. Before that he was kind, strong and also pretty smart. And he has a funny side too. I was very shocked and heartbroken when he died. When he came back though he slowly became more and more unlikable to me. It was all "I'm tired of fighting!" and "I love Dany!" Up untill the point where he was nothing more than a complete moron.

Ah that’s a great angle

No, the Dany that would burn a city to the ground is the same Dany that tortured innocent people to death in Mereen. To hot headed and raging when getting too emotionally pushed. She isn't evil, quite the opposite, but she is an 18 Year old with a dragon and a bad temper when she gets emotional.

@@Jarnauga Except we were shown that she can keep her cool while being pushed.

@@Jarnauga Danys 15 in the books

@@Jarnauga Tortured innocent people alive in the books because she was too hot headed and raging when emotionally pushed. Are we talking about the wine seller ?, two unsullied were poisoned in his wineshop its very likely that he played a role in them being poisoned. Its wasn't because she was hot headed it's because 6 of her unsullied were assassinated and a yunkish freedman which was on her council, This could not got unanswered. Dany was actually very hesitant to use torture when every one around her was pushing for it, Dany actually realizes that torture wasn't working in the end and prevents shahaz from using it. Its rather easy to paint Dany evil when you add no context , you're a typical hack who hasn't read the books. I guess you don't want to talk about Jon using torture against karstark to force compliance, or Jon beheading slynt while he begged for his life, or Jon forcing Gilly to put her hand in flames just to make his point

Yeah that’s the bottom line. They didn’t understand her at all

They didn't ruin Arya? A psycho murderer?

Arya was also ruined. In the books she's a small girl who is angry, yes, but she's also insecure, friendly, and feels very lonely. She's always yearning to find her family or make a "pack" with friends she meets along the way. She's also early stated to be bullied by Sansa (called "horseface"), which has led her to have very low self-esteem. Despite being a noble she doesn't mind befriending the smallfolk (other nobles find them disgusting). Instead the show just turned her into this "muh psychopath" or Sansa's bodyguard, turning into some dumb cliche about how tomboys aren't as good "feminine women".

I agree with everything you wrote except for Arya. Arya was ruined as well. The whole ‘she’s not one of us’ line when Arya was always the character who made friends and allies whenever she went. Arya never despised ‘outsiders’ because she always felt like an outsider herself. That line said by her was just criminal. And better not talk about the fact that they reduced to a one-dimensional psychopath who always cares about revenge when Arya in the books is so much more. And the way she treated Jon…horrific.

"D&D don't understand women" Jesus, another Feminist Studies major. Not everyting is about female perpetual victimhood, you know.

agree with all of that Samir! You can see several similar ways things could fall out in the books, but they all make more sense if she at some point pivots from the throne to the Others as opposed to the other way round

Excellent point about news getting more twisted as it travels.

Would this not be seen as Field of Fire 2.0? The last time this happened, the North knelt. It would not be the disadvantage people think this is.

Actually I believe the north would actually approved the burning and destruction of king's landing when danerys started to destroy kings landing after the city surrender a lot of northern soldiers joined her without a second thought I think the main reason was because of the red wedding many northern soldier died there as to break the hospitality tradition(even thought in war there is never a too far), as Tyrion said the north will never forgive them and they did well remember those actions when they marched to the south, they unleashed all their anger on king's landing and honestly that city deserved that.

@@alessandrofracasso6 I agree. The northerners were all to happy to help sack the city and kill those of the South. Danys dragons may have caused a great deal of death, but so the the North.

yeah I almost took the time to talk about that; the Red Keep and Dragonstone have a thousand red doors and fires in the window - the welcoming fire of home - but what if her home goes up in flame, exactly - it should have a heavy emotional effect on her

There could still be that bit of her at Dragonstone, really lost and depressed, but thats when Jon shows up and she sees her true path - going North

@@bloodyneptune You really seem to know your stuff :) If GRRM never finishes the books, you should consider writing Books 6 and 7 lol

@Cristian Saucedo that's the best compliment I think I've ever gotten, thank you! 😊

That's what I always believed, she does burn King's Landing but by accident because Jaime never told anyone (except for Brienne) about the various secret wildfire caches... and she's horrified naturally and goes North to save the world against the Others. I would have never dreamed she would go "mad" randomly lol. The "mad queen" is definitely Cersei, the parallels between her and Aerys are growing, and it was revealed in The World of Ice and Fire that Aerys dreamed of the same new castle to replace the Red Keep across the Blackwater, just like Cersei did in AFFC.

Never. The stain will mark their careers for as long as their "careers" hobble onward

Dany is definitely a hero character, who in the end fails, but at no point is she actually evil. I don't even know where this idea comes from, since its neither stated or portrayed that way in the show, and neither did DnD ever say anything like that. I think the villanization comes mostly from fans that are frustrated with the people that vehemently defend her and claim the ending was character assassination or stuff like that, which it absolutely wasn't. She always had a tendency to do radical things in affect, when stressed, emotional and then pushed. She also quite young still at the end, like at maximum 20 by the time of the last book, if not younger. But even while she burns down Kings Landing, she is not evil, and she is not mad, yet. She is just extremely stressed and emotionally vulnerable at that point, as well as very frustrated, and she acts clearly in affect, not out of any evil intentions. Its only afterwards that, still not evil, but having gone mad, as a result of what she did. After burning down the city, there were only two ways how she could deal with it, as the character that she is, either go all in and try to justify it and going mad in the process, or have a massive emotional mental breakdown and kill herself. Some characters like Tywin (who did pretty much the same thing twice on a smaller scale, out of pure calculation, and then wrote a song about it) could just go on afterwards. But Dany has a lot of empathy and a good heart, she cannot go on in any sane way after doing that. Also, the quote about good intentions paving the path to hell actually applies to her perfectly, even with Georges quote. Because it is exactly about this kind of situation, where good intentions can lead to bad deeds, they don't have to, but sometimes they do, and people with good intentions end up doing something bad. It does not mean that good intentions are bad in any way, the quote is about good intentions in itself don't justifying anything, or necessarily leading to good outcomes. And its not the first time this holds true for her. When she took Mereen, she crucified a lot of masters, basically torturing them to death. Which would be defentable, IF she actually got the people that were firmly behind this crime and pushing it. But Mereen has a council (like greek city states senates), and there was a minority (who knows how big exactly) who were very much against this gruesome act, and they fought and voted against it, but were overruled. Dany just crucified them at random, including those that were against this crime that they were brutally tortured to death for, so by definition, innocents. She also torpedoed her own rule in Mereen with this, because those Masters who were against crucifying those children, were the ones that were most likely to actually work and cooperate with her, and accept the abolishment of slavery. Hiz'dar zo Loraq was one of those whose father was crucified by her, despite him trying to stop the crime he was punished for from happening. And he STILL tried to work with her. But many other Sons in his position might have joined the Harpies instead.

@@Jarnauga It was absolutely a character assassination, especially to those of us who are book fans. Daenerys only ever took violent actions against those who were evil, the people of King's Landing were innocents and she knew this. Daenerys put off her attack on KL in season 7 specifically because she didn't want innocents caught in the crossfire. She was able to completely avoid the citizens and their homes up until she won then decided to firebomb the city which allowed Cersei to almost escape and put off the victory that was years in the making. It made no sense for her character to go from defending the weak and innocent even if she took it too far sometimes, to directly massacring the weak and innocent because she heard some bells that she had no traumatic connection to. Taking out innocents after a flawless victory was so contrived and very obviously a poor attempt to make Daenerys a villain in a snap. D&D retconned her entire story to make it seem like she was a mad tyrant all along instead of inexperienced and learning as she went. They even retconned Jon willingly bending the knee when she had already sworn her strength to him for the Long Night, to her forcing him to bend the knee for her help. They retconned what happened between the Starks and Targaryens by having Tyrion say "remember what happened the last time a Targaryen came North" when the last Targ who went North was Good Queen Alysanne. The season opened with a c*ck joke ffs. I cannot take anyone who defends the writing of D&D, seriously. Season 8 was rushed and terribly written to get to an ending that will go down in history as one of the worst. As for the books, the crucifixion of the masters was specifically done to the leaders and she ended up taking them down on her own because she is self aware. The "Hizdahr's good slave owning father" plot was just D&D being apologists and trying to frame Dany as the irrational one rather than the masters who eviscerated and crucified children alive just to send a message. That never happens in the books. Every single concession that Dany makes in the books is in the name of peace. She let herself get walked on and pushed to allow slavery outside Meereen again because she wanted to protect her freedmen and stop their murders. Her problem in the books is that she's not ruthless enough, not the other way around. D&D wanted to push this terribly centrist narrative that all violence is bad no matter what when GRRM very firmly believes in righteous violence. He's not as anti-war as people seem to think and they apply this idea to his novels by trying to frame Dany as the bad guy for violently (only to the oppressors) upending a thousands of years old system built on human suffering. That CANNOT be achieved by asking nicely alone, that's plain unrealistic and has never happened that way in real history. Every chapter in ADWD points to the "peace" in Meereen being false and undermining everything she fought so hard for. She's finally realized by the end of ADWD that she will need to go to war to make the world a better place and save her people from suffering. That is the human heart in conflict with itself that George was going for. D&D twisted George's complex story and regurgitated a mess that was very obviously influenced by their own political views and we all know how that worked out for them. Also, Dany is only 15-16 by the end of ADWD. She was sold off at 13, found out she was pregnant on her 14th birthday, then went through the full 8 months of pregnancy, the trek through the Red Waste, then the stay in Quarth so probably turned 15 in that time, then went on to conquer Slaver's Bay which took months of marching and gathering. She's still a kid but she's made incredible achievements for her age. The books aren't going down at all like the show. Given Cersei's direct parallels with The Mad King, fAegon in Westeros, Euron and Victarion with the dragonbinder, JonCon with greyscale madness and bells haunting his memory, and the Dornish organizing plot, KL is likely to already be destroyed by the time she arrives. She still has a lot to do in Essos and that includes burning the inner city of Volantis where only the Old Blood can live. Book Dany would never burn down KL after she had already won it.

@John Jaxson "It's the effort as I see it." Idk I feel like it's common sense that killing hundreds of men, women, and children because they don't accept you as a ruler is A LOT different than killing slavers who refuse to back down to free thousands of enslaved men, women, and children who had suffered for generations. The outcome of her war on slavery, as stated by freedmen in the books, is far better than the time they were enslaved. Even with all the hardship that came post-revolution they still wanted Dany to continue fighting the slavers and not stop her war. That doesn't make her a villain at all, she is a hero, and she sure as hell isn't going to needlessly burn down King's Landing in the books. GRRM himself shot down the theory that she would burn the Water Gardens which has all of the same pointers as the KL theory.

​@@Jarnauga I think dany will have a mixed result. Don't forget that she will be instrumental in the defeat of the white walkers that in the books is connected to the strange seasons. At the same time she will change all of essos forever and her fight against slavery won't be ust about slavers bay

​@@Jarnauga the decision of the great masters to crucify the children was unanimous in the books. The plot about the minority of innocent masters being overruled in the decision is just a show thing but I see how much certain book readers factions love to use it.

they really are i’m so thankful tbh

Your comment makes up for all the disappointing ones Mira, it’s sweet music to my ears.

@@DavidLightbringer 💜

Danny going mad isn't subversive at all tho. It just plays into the age old trope where women yielding power is always portrayed to be villainous one way or the other. Pretty boring if u ask me. Whereas, a lady learning to pave her way into being a worthy ruler when the lands have always conspired against such from coming into being is far more intriguing. Given how the Female Targaryans lost their power with each generation because of how Westoros works and whatnot.

that really is a fitting quote!

@@DavidLightbringer, Thank you, feel free to run with it! Throw it in any future Dany videos. I’m almost positive it’s what GRRM thinks whenever he’s writing Dany.

Thank you for being a better person than your parents. Its incredible you figured this all out, by yourself or with help. If more people tool care of themselves like you and reflect their behavior, it would be a better world. I hope you can reach all your goals. Its special that a charachter in a book can bring to reflect like this, thats the importance of reading stories and Grrm is so good :)

@@preludetak, I had plenty of help. All I can say is DBT, dialectic behavioral therapy, should be taught in school. I agree, GRRM is excellent at making inspiring characters that are relatable.

The only fact that you are hyper critical about yourself, shows that you are completely different than your parents. 😘😘

good quote pull, I agree! George has given us several different motivations for war, and they are all a lot more realistic. We'll get a war for the dawn too but even that will have a catch of some kind

A vast majority of writers try to finish their work too.

Weird because the Others will most likely threaten the entire world and not just Westeros.

@@domusavires19 GRRM is talking about humans and the Others in the books are a big question mark. We know literally nothing about them. But they also don't slaughter all people in sight, as Tormund mentions in the books that they've followed his group at a distance.

good question.... never thought of it that way

the research conducted through channels (e.g. the dragon demands) suggests that the red wedding's success was what pushed them over the edge. there were already signs of their incompentence early on but evidence shows that's what really pushed they and their ego over the deep end. from there, things got to...well...umm...s8e5

Maybe they relaised how shity it is that bran becomes king. Because of this they turned everything else also shit.

I think that the point break between Martin and dumb and dumber was about Lady Stoneheart.

They were being lazy and rushing the ending so they could get that Star Wars money. Love that they got fired from that in the end

I think I put it off for like 2 years after the initial Dany livestreams because I knew how much work and emotion it would take. But it feels GREAT to have made it. Thanks for the support Swagger D

@@DavidLightbringer Absolutely man! Gotta go all out and take your time when doing a deep dive on the best character in the story, and you NAILED IT!!

She’s the epitome of the mother goddess, absolutely. Check out the Vedic Indian Origins of Dany and Drogon video!!

Actually she’s gives me serious Griffith vibes.

Absolutely agree

She really is

She’s going to burn all of Essos to the ground because maintaining peace and diplomacy is too hard.

Not even, Mariah

It was totally misogynistic, I even did research at university about the female hysteria trope. I turned the air blue during episode 5, I was cursing so much ...all aimed at Div and Dipstick (and that's the polite version lol)

@@angelstorm6001 I also did a research paper on Daenerys and the finale for university 😅

@@oliviaalves3559 Would love to read it

I cried too

The very first thing we learned in Game of Thrones was "He who passes the sentence should swing the sword". This was a big hint. Daenerys sure passes alot of sentences along the way. But has her lackeys or the dragons do the killing for her. Thus it gets easier. She goes so far as in season 4 she ordered a whole city to be butchered. Thousands of people. When Jorah learns of it he manages to talk some sense into her. Doesnt change the fact what she was prepared to do. In Astapor she ordered the Unsullied to butcher children. "Slay the masters, anyone who holds a whip or wears a Tokar. But harm no child under 12". On a quick glance this sounds great. But when we look closer we realize the Unsullied will kill 12 year old children just for wearing Tokars. No way around this. This is how the writer intended it, subtle. We were meant to root for her, not meant to notice this yet. But the hints are there. 163 children were crucified by the Masters of Meereen. Instead of searching for the ones directly responsible for this she just decides to match the number. Has 163 Masters (randomly) crucified. Unhinged, there is no universe where this would pass for actual justice. Sure she passed many righteus judgements but this is how the writer intended it so it wouldnt be too obvious. And I didnt even mention all of the questionable ones. Also, the last time we see her in the books she is in the desert hallucinating. About bells. Hmmm, I wonder what bells. And the ending comes a full circle as Jon lives out his uncle's teaching. He who passes the sentence should swing the sword. All clearly planned from the beginning by George R R Martin himself. Moreover her going to make war on foreign lands she never even set foot on (to go kill people to gain power), just based on a birthright. Not righteous. One of the biggest themes in GOT is who should rule and why. We were supposed to learn a birthright isnt a great way to choose a ruler. Thats why that system was changed with King Bran. Why not just accept what her story was really about?

And for many others

Me too, it was a little traumatizing. She was set up as the breaker of chains and than to jsut destroy her. I could not believe it, and than again to have her love kill her! Sad

Agree with every single word!

meh i found much of the books boring, some character plotlines were great, but too many boring characters. Less of a pageturner than the shows

@@metoceedeelee Damn you’re fuking lame. What a pisspoor pessimistic opinion. You’re entitled to it but it’s still utterly lame to think this way…

100% you’re correct about all of that. It didn’t make sense to anyone, hardcore book nerds or people who only watched the show.

Tyrion spew quite the venom during his trial as well

Meanwhile Cersei burned down the Sept of the Baelor killing Margaery and others,and Tyrion used wildfire at some point on a larger scale in a battle like the Battle of Blackwater if I remember the details correctly.

Oh okay you know that’s an interesting idea. I could see that working too!

Very good perspective

I need a scene of interaction between Stannis and Dany in the books!

Book Jon would've agreed with it, too. He had a real bloodlust for killing Lannisters. They missed the chance of him bringing up how the people laughed as Ned died.

@@blacktigerpaw1 When did she kill a Lannister, I am not sure to what are you referring too? I was talking strictly books If it was Tywin torturing someone for a greater cause, no one would blink an eye... I think how people are (reediters for example) like "bUt DaEnErYs WaS mEaN tO SlAvErS" when in fact she was too lenient. But that's about to change soon

@@matematicarka I distinctly said Jon.

@@blacktigerpaw1 "Book Jon would've agreed with it, too" - with what then? With which of her actions, related to "bloodlust for killing Lannisters"? What is "it" in this sentence?

Great point yeah. Similar to how they cut out the Tysha story and Tyrion and Jaime having a falling out over it

So glad you got so much from the video!! I’ve been sitting with all this material since doing the Dany reread after the show, so it’s been marinating for a while

@@DavidLightbringer Yeah, it's really great! I loved watching the Alt X Shift video on 'the real Tyrion' so I was hoping this would be just as good, and it is! It made me fall in love with Dany all over again and made me realize how fucking smart George RR Martin is, and you for piecing it all together! You should be proud :))

They never mentioned the red door in the show, nor the lemon tree.

Except Sansa never actually wises up,never acknowledges that she made mistakes,the mistakes she's made or even knows she's done wrong especially in her bullying of Arya and mistreatment of Jon even while she's posing as the bastard daughter of Petyr Baelish in the Vale.Sansa is neither self-aware,self-reflective,or self-critical like Dany is,and even if Sansa does have those rare moments,it lack meaning (since it's doesn't address the point and root of issue with Sansa inherently as a person and character) and doesn't compare to just how hard Dany is on herself.All Sansa can think about is how it hurts her feeling for Harry the Heir to call her a bastard even though she knows isn't actually a bastard but only posing as one for her protection from Cersei.Sansa's character more or less remains stagnant and set up to progressively turn darker for worse as she is heading down a darker path currently poisoning her disabled cousin Sweet Robin,who is younger and traumatized but she finds annoying regardless.Not to mention Sansa never acknowledges,recognize or even aware of her privilege even as a hostage in King's Landing and living as Littlefinger's bastard daughter in the Vale surrounded by nobility due to her appearance,which is probably why she has the audacity to organize a big feast wasting most of the food stores that is needed for the incoming winter.Not mention Sansa is pathetically delighted at a ridiculously huge,tall lemon cake,if I remember correctly like within 8-12 feet tall as a giant,that the cook apparently made at her request according to Sansa's chapters.I'm not surprised this is how Sansa turned out since GRRM implied that he created Sansa to sow discord among the Starklings because the Stark siblings all got along too well,which is unrealistic in families.Not to mention if you take GRRM's original outline of the series into account,Sansa ends up marrying and having kids with Joffrey,betraying her own family the Starks for the Lannisters she sides with,then ultimately being killed by Jamie.

that channel is truly dreadful

@@DavidLightbringer once I heard that quote and how they regurgitated it without consideration of context I stopped watching (I was directed there by a tiktok comment, I’d never stumble upon it accidentally as all their takes are so opposed to mine). Giving any weight to D&Ds decisions is just bad judgement tbh

I rewatch *only* her parts for just the same reason

I think simply Jon pleading for help won't sway anyone anymore, but if the Wall comes down, that's another matter. People of westeros view the Wall as a thing that was there before the start of time and always will be, so its fall will be the greatest new of all time somehow

That’s exactly what I think too. Tyrion will be the real responsible one for burning King’s Landing, I’m sure of it.

yeah I don't disagree that pursuing the throne would lead to her downfall - i just feel strongly that she is set up to pass that test, not succumb to it. It's definitely her conflict to overcome

@@DavidLightbringer I honestly hope that you are right, since she is by far my favourite character.

Actually she was accepted, the north, the Iron Island, Dorne, High Garden 4 of the 7 kingdoms bend to her and the people of kings landing always bent to the winner of wars

@@alessandrofracasso6 Okay, maybe "accepted" wasn't the roght word. None of them embraced her as queen, though. None loved her, and I think that shocked and dismayed her. She was loved by the slaves she had freed and I think she expected or wished to be loved as a conquering hero, as she had in Slavers' Bay.

Trying to represent, exactly! Thank you!

Hopefully you found this video cathartic. This is all based on a Dany reread I did as soon as the show was over, just to ungaslight myself

yeah I've heard that one before, it's a good insight into his thinking

She would certainly benefit from that kind of analysis. She really didn’t have an identity on the show. She was moved around by the plots of other characters.

yeah it's like they went "ewww, nerds" whenever magic came up in the story

@@DavidLightbringer the specific chapter of the house of the undying is a huge aspect they cut especially with her seeing the red wedding being surrounded by ugly creatures and her seeing rhaegar

I get that. This video will take you back to that place, but hopefully also bring healing and peace as well. Most of the video is focusing on the book character and how lovely she is, haha

The fact that it's now almost 3 years and we're still hurting really shows how much D&D have wronged the characters and by extension the fans.

@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 most definitely. I also think they have jeopardized their own careers, and deservedly so imo.

@@oliviaalves3559 oh well karma is a bitch. They never should have been writing this show after they ran out of source material. They don't care! "Themes are for 8th grade book reports" they said. Guys, why are you even dedicating you're lives to writing and storytelling if you are so uninterested in themes?! Especially because you are adaptating a book series that's so heavy with them!!

So I am trying desperately to grow my channel and income to the point where I can carve a bit of time away to finish it, as I haven't been able to do that in the past months. This Dany video is off to a great start, hopefully it will get my stuff in front of some new eyeballs! Thanks for asking!

reading the chapters of Astapor -not those of ADWD but from ASOS- makes you really REALLY want this mix of the worst slavers of mankind -Ottomans, Romans, the slavery of black and original folks of the America- get Napalm torched really quick.

Convenient how they mass inside of ‘unburnable’ walls and take care not to let any of the poors inside. Just so convenient.

I think that's good practice in Buddhism? iirc?

It’s definitely good for faerie lore in the UK. Red is a warding color against malevolent supernatural entities, especially when used in tandem with rowan wood and iron.

damn right

honestly it was like 2 months worth of video work yeah... it was worth it though, had to be done

@@DavidLightbringer glad you did it! Amazing stuff

nope we're on the same page here :)

"No person with such compassion as dany would willingly and happily kill thousands of innnocents just to get a throne she doesnt even really want" the best part is: she didn't need to kill people to get the throne. They surrendered, it made no sense. If people were revolting or something, at least we would get an explanation

@@giulia2503 yea good point. Even in real life no conquerers ever did something that stupid and random. They wanted to rule populations, mindlessly slaughtering them all would achieve the complete opposite. Its like if superman beats lex luthor and then just goes on a murder spree killing every single person at lexcorp and their children...

Everytime I see people say "the only thing shes ever wanted since she was a child was her birthright, the throne" I get so mad because no, all she ever wanted was a red door and a lemon tree! Even in the show where they never mention the door and the tree, she doesnt start really wanting it till after viserys dies. But also, to be the smallest amount of fair to the show, even show dany wasnt ok with killing babies and children until that final episode. And when she does slaughter all those innocents, it's not even for the throne or getting the throne 😂

Yeah that's true! I just realized that Maggy never told Cersei that another queen will cast her down. She just said "then comes another". Not another queen, just another. This could actually be true😂

Wait: you thought Dany was going to be the hero of the story? Wowzers. Stay away from Berserk then. You definitely won’t like how that progresses.

@@gravesidepoet5405 And you thought your Disney bastard who is ice and fire was the hero ??

​@@gravesidepoet5405Comparing Daenerys to Griffith is something else entirely. These characters are so different in personality, worldview, and goals that it's one of the most mystifying things I've heard. The only two things they have in common is white-ish hair and being rulers.

@@LadyAsteria58 um I’m not comparing Griffith and Dany. I’m just pointing out that both had warning signs that people should have seen. And even if I was comparing them: they’re actually both very SIMILAR. I capitalized that so you wouldn’t misunderstand that for the word SAME. “The only 2 things they have in common is whitish hair and being rulers” um Griffith never achieved that goal. FEMTO did and before you whine “but…but…. They’re the s-“ silence wench 🤫 no they’re not.

Umm what book?

Because people tend to misunderstand Dany's character,intentions,desires,thoughts,dialogue,actions,arc,development,and destiny.

Good point

Uh...Jorah himself is a slaver.

Not to mention Dany resembles his wife who left him.