Who Makes Money From America’s Firetrucks

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Wisconsin-based Oshkosh Corporation is a one stop shop that makes fire trucks, tactical vehicles, news vans, mail trucks and construction lifts, among other things. It serves about 20 different end markets and pulled in about $8.3 billion in sales in 2022. Its Pierce brand is also the largest maker of firetrucks in North America. A single truck can cost up to $2.5 million and all of them are custom made for the roughly 27,000 fire departments that battle thousands of fires each year. From 2012 to 2021, home fires alone took nearly 3,000 lives, caused more than 11,000 injuries and nearly $9 trillion in damage. Now, Pierce and the rest of the Oshkosh portfolio is electrifying - which is no mean feat, given the sheer size and weight of the vehicles Oshkosh makes. It also won a $3 billion contract to build the next generation USPS delivery truck. But this success is offsetting failure elsewhere - it recently lost a $9 billion defense contract that made up more than half of its annual defense revenues. And some say the defense business, which in total is about a quarter of Oshkosh’s sales, has to go.
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:40 - Building a firetruck
03:31 - The mothership
06:15 - Challenges
07:52 - An electrified future
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Edited by: Maria Chiu
Camera by: Colin Systma
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Who Makes Money From America’s Firetrucks

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@4ryan42 8 ай бұрын

I've had the opportunity to tour Pierce Manufacturing. The amount of engineering going into a modern firetruck is amazing.

@rlBrave 8 ай бұрын

American FireTrucks and overall utility vehicles are years behind everything made in/for germany (or Europe in general). Look up german firetrucks / busses from the last few years... Thats engineering 😆

@fastestdino2 8 ай бұрын

@@brentmorrison3392 Honestly very few companies that can do what they do probably. they got in early and now they have the money to make what's standard.

@O530CarrisPT_C2 8 ай бұрын

@@rlBrave American fire trucks are still very popular outside of U.S./Canada. Go to Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Mexico, or even China, in which there is some fire brigades that use U.S.-style fire trucks. They buy them because it is simpler to use while have a larger fire suppression capability.

@O530CarrisPT_C2 8 ай бұрын

Pierce sold Arrow XT pumpers to Brasília, Brazil in 2014, and Spartan ERV sold Metro Star pumpers to São Paulo, Brazil in 2017.

@hankwvu 8 ай бұрын

As a nearly 15 year volunteer firefighter. Also 15 years as a degreed mechanical engineer working in large production facilities, I have seen some of their operations. It is quite impressive. The problems right now in manufacturing in the US is the quality. There has been a complete swing from experienced operators and builders to bringing in kids off the streets. It is a tough thing to handle right now.

@equarg 8 ай бұрын

I live near West Texas and there is a guy off the freeway who renovates, services, and sells used fire trucks. Usually he can renovate trucks 18-15 years old. He sells to smaller towns that have volunteer fire departments and smaller budgets. Plus he does regular servicing like oil changes ext for local trucks from surrounding areas.

@4evertrue830 8 ай бұрын

That guy is going to be in good business for a long time. His services will be duly needed. It is helpful to municipals that can't afford to buy expensive $2.5million firetruck from a monopolistic firetruck making company. I thought america is all about private sector competition, how come this company dominates the industry? 🤔.

@Commissar0617 8 ай бұрын

@@4evertrue830 it's hardly monipolistic. there's still seagrave, rosenbauer, FMC, etc. pumps by waterous, hahn, darley, and maybe a couple more

@hankwvu 8 ай бұрын

That is the business to be in.

@waynekarjala2032 8 ай бұрын

The portion of emissions caused by fire trucks is so miniscule it's insane to even discuss it.

@TomyPesantes 8 ай бұрын

Although you could make a case for electric fire trucks as far as torque and speed of start up. Although I'm sure they'll be hybrid for a good while before they'll be electric, but I agree that those emissions are smaller in comparison.

@TheOtherBill 8 ай бұрын

They're got carried away with emissions even banning lawnmowers and string trimmers in some locations. Too many extremists in positions of power in the environmental agencies who want to wield all the power they can.

@TomyPesantes 8 ай бұрын

@@TheOtherBill Yeah band aren't the way to go, but electric power tools are good for most homeowners in my opinion, just less so for businesses until there's better commerical tools.

@leatherelectric 8 ай бұрын

You're barely talking 9 healthy cow farts per truck dispatched. I'll pay that environmental cost

@BakuganBrawler211 8 ай бұрын

@@TomyPesantesUnless it’s anything related to reproductive care.

@jdrancho1864 8 ай бұрын

3:40 give credit where credit is due. The two gentlemen shown here are Otto Zachow and William August Besserdich, who in 1908 received a patent for the world's first automotive four-wheel drive system. The rest, as they say, is history.

@nadasurf9009 8 ай бұрын

There is a sheriff in Kentucky who just got arrested because he had a private company which was an ambulance company and it was the only one that got contracts in the county

@Johnny53kgb-nsa 6 ай бұрын

Sounds like Jeffersonville Indiana.

@D-xl4xy 8 ай бұрын

Except for standing in front of a fire truck while talking about the company, this was only minimally about fire truck production

@Midala87 8 ай бұрын

Well they were talking about Oshkosh Corporation. They even stated that in the description.

@moebigslee 8 ай бұрын

Exactly! My take away from the story wasn't so much "fire trucks" but more "please invest in our weird electric vehicle company because we lost a huge military contract."

@andreasu.3546 8 ай бұрын

@@moebigslee Weird?

@moebigslee 8 ай бұрын

@@andreasu.3546 Yes weird, as in one off specialty vehicles with specific and unique jobs to do. Vehicles most people don't give 2 thoughts about, will never operate/directly purchase, despite seeing them on an almost daily basis. Compared to what comes to mind when most people think of an electric vehicle, Oshkosh makes weird stuff. I never said it was bad stuff.

@andreasu.3546 8 ай бұрын

@@moebigslee Fair enough, I guess. To me, "weird" definitely carries negative connotations. But maybe that's just me.

@donna8243 8 ай бұрын

This is just an Oshkosh ad 🙄

@petter5721 5 ай бұрын

And they are not barley sold outside America, so what is he taking about global market 😂 Most Americans trucks are not allowed to drive on European roads due to lack of compliance with laws.

@jonathanjoseph7854 8 ай бұрын

Always great topic as usual

@ytzpilot 8 ай бұрын

The only issue with electrification is during a disaster like an earthquake, hurricane, forest fire where the local electrical grid is offline for a long period of time

@MrWaterPeople 8 ай бұрын

Generators (or power bank backups) are a thing at most fire stations. And it's not like gas stations can pump fuel without electricity anyway.

@ytzpilot 8 ай бұрын

@@MrWaterPeople Civil Defence has a gas/diesel plan to assure that emergency vehicles always have a supply, emergency vehicles have never depended on a local gas station. These policies are decades old now. Reality is it’s much easier to pump diesel in an emergency vehicle and the have tankers for that purpose, they can continue to run vehicles indefinitely, charging them logistically is far more difficult. Before you post you should be educating yourself on your local civil defence planning, I am aware of mine and how it works

@Johannes-mm6dx 8 ай бұрын

@@ytzpilothave you even watched the video? They are designed to operate electric in daily duty. For the 1% time they are used in exceptional cases, like natural disasters, they have a backup engine. 8:40

@drabberfrog 8 ай бұрын

Huge disasters like that are probably less than 1% of what emergency vehicles respond to and that's why the fire truck and the video has a diesel engine as a backup. The day-to-day stuff is not as flashy, usually they're just responding to car accidents and sometimes fighting fires in buildings.

@ytzpilot 8 ай бұрын

@@drabberfrog I live on top of one of the world’s most active fault lines and the worlds windiest city, large earthquakes are a decade event for us and we are still cleaning up from our last one, so it depends on where you live, your climate, extreme temperatures or fault lines etc. I don’t buy EVs for that reason we get earthquakes and hurricanes and our grid is vulnerable in those extremes, I store gas and earthquake provisions and have a water storage tank on our property and workplace, diesel engines are the most reliable during extreme events

@DeeDubious 8 ай бұрын

You can have an electric firetruck that can be driven around or respond to calls, but in order to pump the massive volumes of water required to put out most fires, you must switch to a diesel engine.

@kenmore01 8 ай бұрын

I'm not sure I agree with that. Obviously to make an electric fire truck, batteries need to be scaled up compared to say a Tesla. Once you have done that, why can't you make an electric water pump to rival a Diesel motor? It's well known electric drive motors have a lot of torque, and that's what you need to push water a long distance.

@DeeDubious 8 ай бұрын

@@kenmore01 The amount of current required would both drain the battery's capacity and shorten its lifespan, making it economically and practically impractical especially with all the extra weight that will be added to a vehicle, already at 20-30 Tons currently, to create the same pumping power as gas or diesel. I can illustrate this best by pointing out how much better gas-powered pressure washers are than their electric equivalents.

@flyinghigh2000 8 ай бұрын

@@kenmore01since firetruck need to service even the outlying case I don't see how would you determine how big battery you need. Do you spec for 24 hour continous use or less? They deal with forest fires that takes weeks to put out. You don't want to deal with charging all electric trucks in the middle of forest.

@MrTCFIRE 8 ай бұрын

Not true. The diesel generator is only used on extended deployments. LA County is using a Rosenbauer EV and they love it.

@DeeDubious 8 ай бұрын

Rosenbauer has a dedicated apparatus specifically to fight EV Fires but the truck itself is not, it's a diesel.@@MrTCFIRE

@-maddhruv 8 ай бұрын

This video was less about fire trucks and more about the company, CNBC is sold these days the production quality of the content has deteriorated a lot

@shazmosushi 8 ай бұрын

I for one (non-sarcastically) love learning about these kinds of random companies I've never heard of. Especially the ones that create the unique vehicles that are only ever seen on US roads. Since everybody has high automotive protectionism it they're generally rarely exported. Like I love learning about Japanese Kei cars too, and how due to the US 25 year import rule there's a subculture of people in rural areas of the US who are importing cheap, reliable and efficient 1990s era Kei cars. Maybe this makes me a nerd, but keep the content coming CNBC

@treydeuce8479 8 ай бұрын

I mean… The title of the video is “WHO makes money from Americas firetrucks” keyword: who. So yes , they are going to tell you about a company lol

@TheOtherBill 8 ай бұрын

@@shazmosushi Many states won't allow kei vehicles on the street because they won't meet safety standards.

@karthikshetty2206 8 ай бұрын

I love this series of CNBC , I came to know of so many unknown companies but great companies ❤

@alejandroflorez55 8 ай бұрын

Good companies are the most unoticed and underpriced large scale company allways known for over priced and low quality

@4evertrue830 8 ай бұрын

You're delusional to love any series of CNBC channel. They hardly ask the obvious right questions. 🤣🤣🤣🙃😜

@karthikshetty2206 8 ай бұрын

@@4evertrue830 I liked their videos which are better when they introduce some industry and companies in that industry, I am not talking about their news 🗞️ channel.

@trvman1 6 ай бұрын

still find anything fire department related being electric being a little "scary". Just look what has happened with EV in all this cold weather.

@myc0p 8 ай бұрын

According to the EPA, the Oshkosh mail trucks only offer a 0.4 mpg fuel economy over the agency’s current trucks. The old mail trucks have been around for 30 years and don’t even have air conditioning. New gas-powered trucks would offer new amenities such as running air conditioning, they only average about 8.6 mpg. The industry standard for a gasoline-powered fleet vehicle is between 12 to 14 mpg.

@LouisSubearth 8 ай бұрын

The new mail trucks are a lot larger though. Although Oshkosh's first bid with Ford to supply USPS with modified Transits would've worked better in terms of fuel economy, as they could take advantage of both the Powerboost V6 as well as the E-Transit system, which must've been in development at the time of the announcement.

@ronblack7870 8 ай бұрын

firetrucks don't put on many daily miles. they are neighborhood based due to response times so they may drive 2 - 3 miles on a call maybe 5 . smaller towns may only have a few firestations so there they may drive more to a call. a typical station may get 2 - 10 calls a day and most of those are health related like heart attacks or car accidents with injuries. so they have a backup diesel in case they need to run the pumps for a long time at a fire., an easy application for electric vehicle.

@dty1207 8 ай бұрын

You seem knowledgeable on this, but why don’t they just send an ambulance and firefighters in suvs or vans for non fire related instances?

@andreasu.3546 8 ай бұрын

@@dty1207 Surely the heart attack will get an ambulance. I guess a motor vehicle accident may get a fire truck (even if there is no fire) because the fire truck has a lot of useful equipment and tools on it. Jaws of life, chainsaw etc.

@dty1207 8 ай бұрын

@@andreasu.3546 I figured, but couldn’t a large suv or van carry that kind of equipment? And in my city, even in home based medical emergencies they bring the fire truck

@mvcharisma2968 8 ай бұрын

Ignorance must be blissful 😂 you clearly don’t work for a fire department, or know the amount of load that just one pump draws

@aaroncrewse5746 8 ай бұрын

@@dty1207 what happens when the ambulance transports to the hospital and there is a fire and crew from the fire engine is stuck on the ambulance?

@mgd4327 8 ай бұрын

can't wait for the irony of when an electric firetruck catches fire hooking up to a water hose

@bthsr7113 8 ай бұрын

Nice to see my state in the news for something not horrible.

@poohmaster54 8 ай бұрын

Here In Savannah, we buy Sutphen pumpers and aerials here. We recently just got a Spartan Tiller, but I’m assuming it’s because Sutphen didn’t have a tiller out at the time of purchase.

@billbaber6653 8 ай бұрын

Gwinnett county got a lot of good from them

@keithswindell6212 8 ай бұрын

Retired volunteer fire fighter - there are less expensive fire trucks than Pierce, but there are none better.

@chakagillis 8 ай бұрын

Lmao😂

@EnjoyFirefighting 7 ай бұрын

would never buy a Pierce tbh.

@TurtleSauceGaming 7 ай бұрын

Me here missing when Mack made fire trucks. They were truly awesome. We had one back in the day that was an old garbage truck and you could pull a u turn on a 2 lane road with no reversing.

@richardrice8076 5 ай бұрын

B model Mack is my favorite truck and they made cool fire trucks.

@TurtleSauceGaming 5 ай бұрын

I wish they still made them. I remember my father's department in the 90s was basically all Macks to the point where the bulldog was their unofficial mascot. I even missed the era of seagrave dominance. Feels like all the best players are out of the game.@@richardrice8076

@thecardczar8764 7 ай бұрын

Would love to see a feature length documentary on this, a very interesting business model!

@gotacallfromvishal 7 ай бұрын

They lost defense contracts so now they're chasing US subsidies thru dumb unproven impractical technology that will never vastly improve unless there is a quantum leap in the element lithium. A very *interesting* business model indeed.

@Sonofawildanimal4241 8 ай бұрын

I did some work for E-One that builds fire engines. A LOT of money running through those companies.

@o0darkart0o 8 ай бұрын

8x the cost of importing the equivalent specced foreign fire truck. Do fire trucks in the USA really need to each be custom built by hand? Why not build a standard model en masse? Shame the video didnt answer the question in thr title.

@jaysmith1408 8 ай бұрын

From being with three departments spec’ng new vehicles (an engine, two rescues, and a quint), the idea is that if they’re spending between $500,000 and clearing a million, they want the vehicle to be exactly how they see fit, how they use it, how they want it to operate, and how they want it to look. Custom chassis designs have the advantage of a cabover design, but not much more. A commercial chassis engine or rescue can save hundreds of thousands, but “fire trucks have to look like fire trucks”. Tradition is common for overshadowing practicality. If there was a design for an engine, one for an engine tanker, one for a quint, so on and so on, the departments could fairly quickly adapt. However like auto markers (though magnitudes more expensive) the apparatus manufacturer make a whole chunk of change designing, up fitting, and modifying for individual customers. One engine and a quint that we ordered were manufacturer demonstration units, and shaved between two and three hundred thousand off a custom built vehicle of the exact same design. The perfect example, a tanker. 4,000 gallon tanker, commercial cab off the lot, $200,000. Order one for the fire service, 2000 gallon tank, $600,000. Want a cabover custom chassis? Add $200,000 for that.

@Rene-uz3eb 8 ай бұрын

I don't know, at some point the vehicle is so complex that you might as well custom build it, so this might be ok. Which is why they can change technologies so quickly which is a plus. These vehicles are pretty impressive.

@Wafflinson 8 ай бұрын

Every dept. needs and wants something very different depending on the building types, station sizes, distances, etc in their area.

@ytzpilot 8 ай бұрын

There is no unification in the USA with Fire, Police or Ambulances, compared to where I live (New Zealand) we only have one Fire Service and one Police Service for the entire nation that does have standardised equipment for all. We do have two ambulance services and they are both self sufficient through their own fundraising campaigns. This does save a lot of money, compared to someone that lives in a city like Chicago that has to pay for city, state and federal services with a lot of overlapping

@equarg 8 ай бұрын

Different communities have different needs. There is a guy in West Texas I see who renovates 18-15 year old fire trucks for smaller communities who have volunteer fire departments and have specific needs. He also does regular service (standard maintenance) for area fire trucks like oil changes ext….

@visualonestudio 8 ай бұрын

If you're house is on fire the fire department will do whatever it takes to extinguish it, for free. If you're having a heart attack and need a quick ride to the hospital, that'll cost you.

@GauravMishra9200 8 ай бұрын

If you had gone to school and pay attention you wouldn't have said this : Because heart attacks are more common than houses on fire. Moreover when your house is on even you could stop it by a small fire extinguisher or by lots of dirt and water. But not everybody knows how to give CPR to a dying person.

@gautambakliwal826 8 ай бұрын

0:26 - $8.86 TRILLION IN LOSSES OVER 10 YEARS??? You can add the entire world’s fire losses and they’d probably still fall short. That seems plain wrong. The inflation adjusted number on US Fire Administration website is $148.6 Billion. Someone correct me if I am misinterpreting.

@RalfSRobotRalf 8 ай бұрын

Yeah that's not right. Thats double of Japan GDP lol. Someone messed up trillion and billion.

@branflakee4257 8 ай бұрын

Cool video!

@JD-HatCreekCattleCo 6 ай бұрын

As a paramedic/firefighter I know a little about this issue. It’s a warm fuzzy feeling some have when electrifying. For a crash rescue vehicle it is much more feasible to electrify, the time and mileage on one of these vehicles is much less than on a busy urban or suburban piece of apparatus. The calculation must be considered regarding the amount of carbon used to mine the raw resources vs the amount of carbon saved with the use of the end product. Not one thing has been addressed in the conversation regarding the generation of electricity, the environmental impact of mining the raw material nor the problems disposing of the batteries and their toxic waste. Seems to me the positive in this equation seems to me is the knowledge gained in the process of innovation. As far as the net benefits of electrification….not ready for prime time.

@EnjoyFirefighting 6 ай бұрын

we tested an electric Rescue Engine at some of the busiest stations at the largest department here. Worked very fine, and way better than expected. When you want to calculate on how material for batteries are gained and how electricity is produced you have to keep in mind all the logistics around oil and diesel production as well.

@Nucpower677 8 ай бұрын

Not mentioned here , but winner of any fire is scammers known as “ fire restoration companies” totally unregulated, takes insurance money and leave owners with substandard repairs

@purplesprigs 8 ай бұрын

Say the name: "Servpro." They wanted to charge me more to set up some fans and dry wet basement carpet than the purchase cost of the fans. Guess who bought a bunch of fans?

@emelino 8 ай бұрын

Title misleading. Rename it

@mackpines 8 ай бұрын

I thought fire trucks were wild beasts. “A solitary creature, the fire truck will sneak up on its prey. The ambulances will have to wait their turn.” 😂😂😂

@cobravoadora 8 ай бұрын

If you want to learn about the fire mafia at the highest level you have to come to Portugal

@michaelacri2875 6 ай бұрын

Never knew they were involved with defense and commercial vehicles. Pretty cool

@petter5721 5 ай бұрын

Saying that they do not have a ton of global competitors shows that he is completely lost in understanding the global market.

@DropkickMurphysFan01 7 ай бұрын

I am fascinated not just by current firefighting, but also the history of it.

@jbllc6873 8 ай бұрын

It would make make sense to have a standard base model, sort of like Unimog in Europe. But a lot of it comes down to plain old resistance to chance, even if it’s for the better. Same goes for most of their gear. For example euro style helmets are safer, but not used, simply because they prefer the look of the old style/ design currently in use.

@jumpingjeffflash9946 8 ай бұрын

I'd use a Euro here in US but oh no....gotta keep the tradition of the regular helmet alive.

@mrbizi5652 8 ай бұрын

That’s an issue with each city’s set of regulations from what I understand.

@ember_shep8181 8 ай бұрын

Even european firetrucks are customized to tailor the department needs. It is impossible to have a one size fits all fire engine. Each fire engine is custom-made to match the needs and demands of the department its going to

@sterlingodeaghaidh5086 8 ай бұрын

Technically there is no standard fire truck even in Eurasia. The U. S “Standard” is often a 30’ cabover that seats 6 and has IIRC a 500 gallon tank. But its a stretch to call it a standard as your talking hundreds of departments with their own needs in hundreds of municipalities with different local and statewide regulations. You cant mass produce something thats even close to a one size fits all.

@landonrinehart294 8 ай бұрын

Euro helmets are the same just a little lighter i would rather use the traditional fire helmets hands down over other euro any day it protects more of your neck and yes tradition is a very big part of the fire service and it’s where we came from we should respect that and be proud to put on that helmet but instead we complain.

@hankwvu 8 ай бұрын

The thing that was failed to be mentioned here is cost to the customers. Fire apparatus going to cities and large areas can put the money in. But when you look at the smaller areas/rural/fly over america where a lot of your first responders are, they do not have the money for these technologies. They have a tough enough time keeping up with standards that are set by both local, state, and federal mandates. Folks need to remember, 70% of the firefighters out there, do NOT get paid. Many stations do not have 'back up trucks' for when this new technology fails. Or have deep pockets to replace these new battary packs. So a lot of this focus will end up on the smaller manufacturers. What MANY do is they will purchase a chassis from one manufacture and have the bodies built by others.

@ILWU4Ever2024 8 ай бұрын

I believe every new home should be built with a ceiling sprinkler system to provide a last line of defense against a home fire. This will add an additional cost, but a fire insurance savings. Most fire departments respond to medical emergencies (85%).

@nrgonline 8 ай бұрын

Umm all new homes since 1998 has ceiling sprinkler system that I’ve seen. That’s how it is in California.

@danfecke 8 ай бұрын

Think about how often you set off the smoke detector

@ModestMuse3 8 ай бұрын

@@danfeckesprinkler systems are set off by heat, not smoke, much harder to do accidentally

@agy234 8 ай бұрын

@@nrgonlineCalifornia is NOT the same as the rest of the country

@kornaros96 8 ай бұрын

How about not building houses with flammable materials?

@user-jc8yi5kv3t 8 ай бұрын

Next please... Documentary of How Main Stream Media Make Money..

@Thepriest39 8 ай бұрын

Saying that they barely make money on defense vehicles has got to the biggest lie. Anything that the military buys is triple the actual cost.

@MrTCFIRE 8 ай бұрын

Pierce is way behind Rosenbauer in the EV fire truck world.

@ohcrap3263 8 ай бұрын

Lol!

@jayt270 8 ай бұрын

Yeah but rosenbauers are horrible

@MonroeModding 8 ай бұрын

Rosenbauers are probably the worst fire truck manufacture

@mauricemotors8207 8 ай бұрын

We have Spartan and Ferrara

@trob0914 8 ай бұрын

Rosenbauer is mainly a European based company. LAFD has procured an Rosenbauer”RTX”’ but it’s had several problems as most newly minted projects do. I have looked at Pierce Mfg as well as the REV Group’s( E-One, KME/AreialCat, Ferrara, Spartan & Smeal..) EV offerings and they seem much more inline with the US desired versions fire apparatus. Yes they too have teething problems but they appear to be much more traditionally in touch with their US market. FYI, both Pierce and the REV GROUP are still churning out big diesel rigs in 2023 and will be for years to come! I’m not sold on this big push toward EVs, I’m just saying!!

@WannaBeHocker 6 ай бұрын

The closing line was well done.....lead that charge

@Dog.soldier1950 8 ай бұрын

I inspected my 12 rental units. Every single one had disabled their smoke/CO detector.

@TheOtherBill 8 ай бұрын

You should probably rewrite your lease agreements to include a financial penalty for that.

@wikath449 8 ай бұрын

Electrifying every mobile vehicle may sound as good idea on the first glance (form an ecological viewpoint), but we have to consider the impacts. 1) The bigger the mass to move, the bigger the battery needs to be. For a Truck of this size, this usually means 3-4 Tons of battery weight alone..... (a 100kwh Battery of an EV usually weighs ~600kg). With this battery weight along comes more wear & tear on Suspension and Tires. A lot of the environmental savings a offset by the added weight. Plus the battery has also to carry it´s own weight + reduces the amount of available load for the rest of the truck. 2) The more we electrify the more we become dependent on the grid (for charging). In case of natural disasters or war-like situations, the vulnerability of the grid becomes issue no.1. In these cases you often need this kind of equipment the most. And then you have a 2 million truck "sitting duck" because it cannot be (re)charged... If you look at public infrastructure such as Water-Supply: (btw: key for Fire-fighting !) guess what the fall-back systems for electric water-pumps are: DIESEL-aggregates. The whole discussion has (sadly enough) already lost its techno-neutral ground and has become an: "Electrification-will-save-us-from-extinction"-issue.

@EnjoyFirefighting 7 ай бұрын

you can spec an electric truck to be disaster proof with a diesel range extender as backup.

@6953nug 6 ай бұрын

@@EnjoyFirefighting or you could simplify it and only have a diesel engine

@EnjoyFirefighting 6 ай бұрын

@@6953nug both have their pros and cons. Running a diesel powered apparatus on 100% of the calls, including all false alarms, medical calls etc is just not necessary - and there are locations and scenarios where the electric truck has great advantages over diesel powered ones, like in tunnels and buildings

@jon9103 8 ай бұрын

Why are recovery vehicles in the access group? Seems like commercial group would be a better fit.

@CrimsonAlchemist 8 ай бұрын

Well it's SUPER Expensive only in USA. In Asia, we can get the same type of truck with the same specs or even better specs for a fraction of the price. Monopoly at ites best in USA. Let em import Asian trucks. See what happens

@michaellewis4632 8 ай бұрын

Your trucks aren’t subjected to the stringent regulations that our nation has so not the best comparison

@mateuszszewczuk1700 8 ай бұрын

@@michaellewis4632asians could be little worse, but European one have a even stricter specs. But still are cheaper a a heck loot more effective. Americans other hand have weird regulations that's not giving any real benefis, like school busses.

@michaellewis4632 8 ай бұрын

@@mateuszszewczuk1700 ever regulation that we have is for a reason we don’t think about the cost of because cutting corners can cause a death we want to proven injury or death

@mateuszszewczuk1700 8 ай бұрын

@@michaellewis4632 what? Is European trucks worse, or less regulated? Hell no, Americans trucks is just pedesriant and cyclist killers. European truks don't do that as often, they are quite much faster more manuvable and Has better visibility. And they don't lack any equiplment for types of job they work.

@michaellewis4632 8 ай бұрын

@@mateuszszewczuk1700 okay you delusional, quack

@MWO101 8 ай бұрын

pierce did not make the first snorkel fire truck, it was invented in chicago by Robert Quinn who was the comissioner of the chicago fire department at the time, he mounted hoselines onto a pittman giraffe cherry picker to invent it!

@fl.sal.27 8 ай бұрын

Good video. Wrong title.

@brianwilson6403 7 ай бұрын

I knew several people who were involved in the formation of Spartan Motors after the demise of Diamond REO. As a side note I learned how to drive a stick shift driving a Diamond REO firetruck .

@tyrobertson8495 6 ай бұрын

I’ve toured Spartan. Still rock some merch I got from there. At the time, the same factory complex was pumping out Cougar MRAPs. Was a badass tour.

@skelafeti 8 ай бұрын

Can you image the lithium fire from one of these behemoths? a passenger car basically needs dumped into a pool of water to put it out. Or the cost to replace the battery pack.. Municipalities that can't afford a fire truck (puts on an emergency mill levy) will be stuck with a dead truck because they don't have funds to fix the battery pack...

@bthsr7113 8 ай бұрын

There have been recent improvements in new extinguishing techniques specifically to counter lithium fires.

@skelafeti 8 ай бұрын

@@bthsr7113 oh do tell.. because the fire departments haven't seen that memo yet.

@lambertois11 8 ай бұрын

There is a Canadian company who is making excellent and efficient fire trucks and emergency vehicles at a fraction of the cost : Carl Thibault Fire Trucks. Carl Thibault Fire Trucks has been making fire trucks since 1918 !

@weeb3277 8 ай бұрын

"Why are firetruck so expensive?"

@Whitemink32 8 ай бұрын

Better have leather seats for 1.5 mil

@digscruze2593 8 ай бұрын

@@Whitemink32they’re vinyl or cloth

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@TPFHELPTeachingPsychologyFinan 8 ай бұрын

Incredible company and brilliant engineers! 👍 The cars are very beautiful and necessary!

@Xerdoz 8 ай бұрын

05:10 That seems a bit overkill. To have a bolt tightener like that which is meant for a car assembly line. Here you probably make a truck or two a day.

@danieldubois3418 8 ай бұрын

I'm guessing their defense business is not as competitive as the company that received the military contract. Blame is always the easy way out.

@Wafflinson 8 ай бұрын

Some companies don't have the goal to make a profit with every bid. Sometimes you bid at cost because economies of scale will make your other areas of business more profitable. That isn't sustainable for most companies.

@benjaminhatton1201 8 ай бұрын

11-12 week for manufacturing? Average time for delivery of a new fire apparatus is closer to 455 days now.

@SeattleResponses 8 ай бұрын

I prefer E-One, but pierce for tillers.

@HypnoticAbyss 3 ай бұрын

man i wish we had Pierce trucks in out station. unfortunately just dont have the budget

@zachbrenner9959 6 ай бұрын

"Need a mail truck? Oshkosh makes them" Shows a Grumman LLV

@waverly2468 8 ай бұрын

I thought American LaFrance built fire trucks but Wiki says they went out of business 10 years ago.

@TeeJay_757 8 ай бұрын

8:08 okay this thing looks ridiculous😂

@leatherelectric 8 ай бұрын

I had to know this before sleeping tonight

@noelsilva231 8 ай бұрын

San Antonio fire department badge cameo whoop whoop!!

@spookerredmenace3950 8 ай бұрын

wild they also are a children's clothing maker , makes sense they would build many different things

@daniels.3062 8 ай бұрын

Is it smart electrifying a vehicle that sprays water everywhere?

@jordanabendroth6458 8 ай бұрын

It's almost like there are smart engineers who build those vehicles and can account for such things.

@daniels.3062 8 ай бұрын

I'm sure they said the same thing about the RMS Titanic.

@flick22601 6 ай бұрын

I wonder if they are going to have a re-think like the major auto companies have done on electric vehicles. A fire truck powered with batteries is going to be so much heavier than a conventional powered one that it will not be usable in many situations. The potential for it catching fire is another major area of concern.

@RubzNotNice 8 ай бұрын

Not EVERYTHING needs to be electrified - I would be more than happy if emergency vehicles, heavy industrial vehicles (handling large and dangerous materials) were not electrified.

@MrSoldier13 8 ай бұрын

during a storm natural disaster the power is out for weeks or the fire truck batties explodes

@Wafflinson 8 ай бұрын

That is dumb. Pretty much all emergency services have backup power generators that they can use. Also, the explosion bit could just as easily be said about combustion engines.... hell, its in the name.

@pandorasboxg 8 ай бұрын

@@Wafflinsonhow long does it take to recharge vs refueling?

@LouisSubearth 8 ай бұрын

@pandorasboxg at least on a fire truck, which sits most of its day at its station, charging is not an issue. They can stay plugged in while idling and respond to calls with a full charge.

@philrogers8160 8 ай бұрын

Electrification is a joke. I had the opportunity to visit E-One in Florida and FMC in Indiana. Was awestruck at the manufacturing facilities.

@killernat1234 8 ай бұрын

“Despite high inflation” cuts to footage of the tires

@Chris_In_Texas 8 ай бұрын

3:08 Oh thank god there are only 50 shades of grey! 😁😲

@Bremend 8 ай бұрын

Most of these vehicles sit at their home or destination either off or working, so they can either spend that time at their homebase charging or out in the field powering their equipment without needing to run their engine. Just look at Edison Motors...

@nrakma 6 ай бұрын

It’s time to rethink where and how a fire stations are staffed. Quick response seems to be the key to most fires, yet fire trucks are very slow and cumbersome. More smaller staffed fire stations are needed as well as quick response vehicles with 50-300 gallon of water on board. A 50% reduction in response times results in more lives and property saved 79% of the time, as shown in one recent study. Off road Motorcycles and atv’s combined with heat seeking drones have been shown to extinguish wild fires 200 times faster.

@americannumber2 8 ай бұрын

Where does.the battery come from

@MrPizzaman09 6 ай бұрын

Many fire trucks in the US have a Cummins X12 in them!

@ZWD2011 8 ай бұрын

This brought me to the outskirts of procrastination.

@SuChanyaOfficial 8 ай бұрын

so beautiful and modern

@LTNye 7 ай бұрын

Oshkosh made the absolute best vehicles in Afghanistan. When International won a contract for a new vehicle, Oshkosh had to outfit a better drive system. I like this company's product.

@nicholasbloch605 8 ай бұрын

This is cool to see, but if you signed a contract for a new truck today, it’s more like 4 YEARS to get your truck!

@2170tlford 6 ай бұрын

How about 4 years from order to receiving the fire truck. What happened?

@bradleymeyers8228 6 ай бұрын

If anyone needs a fire truck but doesn't have the budget, I work for my families company -3rd gen family owned - we finance and lease fire trucks and ambulances for almost 30 years. Leasing 2 Inc is the company.

@HanTheProphet 6 ай бұрын

300 shades of red seems like one of the reasons the trucks cost 2.5 m and who tf even notices that there are different coloured fire trucks Seems like it would be more pertinent to have fire trucks be 10% cheaper through standardization, for every 10 trucks you could get one more or more training

@lawyermahaprasad 8 ай бұрын

Did you account for Chinese companies in international markets?

@MaximusMongoose 8 ай бұрын

Do Ambulances next!

@TheJagjr4450 8 ай бұрын

I hope they learn from the legacy automakers... and I hope that the municipalities have actually studied the viability of long term battery operated emergency vehicles.

@thewolfe1099 8 ай бұрын

Yeah. Think CA rigs sent out of multi day wildfires mutual aid runs where they camp put at fire camp?... Power poles down, power often turned off during the fire ... Where you going to plug it in?????? I bet you a million dollars You're going to start seeing huge diesel generators at Cal fire camps to charge up all the electric fire trucks. Hahaha 😂

@04u2cY 8 ай бұрын

Battery operated emergency vehicles would be very bad idea.

@Aceman4Ever 8 ай бұрын

Most complicated way to make a fire truck. 0 standardization, not even the chassis. Way to complex which results in these high costs/prices. Very inefficient in my opinion. As a tax payer I think 2,5 Mio for a ladder is too much and I would look for a different supplier. In comparison a ladder in Europe will cost you around 700k €.

@O530CarrisPT_C2 8 ай бұрын

The problem is that there's industrial needs for such nonstandard fire trucks (especially when handling chemicals).

@solarissv777 7 ай бұрын

@@O530CarrisPT_C2 they aren't talking about specialized industrial FFVs, but for trucks/engines, used in cities/towns. This is just a ripoff and taxpayers cannot do anything with it.

@persistentwind 8 ай бұрын

An agreement w Edison motors to develop the diesel electric powertrain would make a lot of sense.

@aaroncrewse5746 8 ай бұрын

they left out the fact that Pierce has a 2-4 year manufacture delay right now

@jgg204 8 ай бұрын

yeah and can't even lock in a firm fixed price. they all have annual escalation clauses. it's spiraling out of control cost wise.

@CryptoDealerz 8 ай бұрын

wow crazy

@Ayo22210 8 ай бұрын

The renewable people are the biggest hawks out there

@ronl2463 8 ай бұрын

Who makes money? Politicians that who, they have their hands in everything!

@shouldersofgiants4649 8 ай бұрын

Everything wrong with this world in 2 words: BUSINESS SCHOOLS

@jtgd 8 ай бұрын

How do you learn business out of an educational environment? And in detail?

@shouldersofgiants4649 8 ай бұрын

@@jtgd The world should be about "DOers over pretenders" while business schools perpetrate the opposite. Every aspect of life from agriculture to iPhones are at the chokehold of the business elites. Scientists, engineers, doctors, farmers are very much at their mercy

@CoreyC68 8 ай бұрын

I used to paint them years ago. Alot of work

@VFR-Rick 8 ай бұрын

How is electricity produced?

@Sawdogy1 2 ай бұрын

Imagine how much water you will need to put out a electric fire truck 😭

@MrLazlness 8 ай бұрын

Imagine having to put out an ev fire with an ev fire truck but you forgot to charge it overnight 😢

@MrLazlness 8 ай бұрын

@@mainStream-user imagine being American

@pruncle9421 8 ай бұрын

imagine being European@@MrLazlness

@MrLazlness 8 ай бұрын

@@pruncle9421 imagine being Mexican

@Timbrock1000 8 ай бұрын

Boulder, COLORADO Fire Department is doing just that!

@zesolodar 8 ай бұрын

as someone who has a few friends who are firefighters i can assure you their not that dumb to forget to do that and i guess you also missed the part saying it has diesel engine for backup

@hyrenaj2888 8 ай бұрын

I'm assuming there must be some standard truck types, right? I can't imagine every single fire department or garbage company having completely unique needs, but the manufacturing looks custom and handmade... seems extremeley inefficient (and costly, borne by the taxpayers).

@EnjoyFirefighting 7 ай бұрын

it IS extremly inefficient, but many departments think they're so very special and have unique needs, that they always start at 0% and spec a completly individual truck. In contrast to that departments in Europe realized that they can reduce the cost of a single apparatus when they order several identical ones.

@GilmerJohn 6 ай бұрын

The stuff about military work isn't the whole story. There may only be a 1% "profit" but that's after everything has been costed out. Moreover, the payments are almost always "cost plus" which means it's difficult to impossible to lose money. The only financial danger is when the DoD stops spending and you no longer can allocate and pay your fixed expenses.

@Buy_YouTube_Views_Gain_Fame_7 8 ай бұрын

such a great way to get to know you better. It's like having a personal connection with you, even though we've never met in person

@flightlinevr6302 8 ай бұрын

Compared to those firetrucks we use in Europe, witch are based on standard truck chassis, the North American one look oldschool like straight out of the sixties. Most of our firetrucks are multi purpose not just pumpers, they have fixed and portable motor pumps, hydraulic equipment for technical assistance and vacuum pumps, chainsaws for heavy weather.

@Corde11 8 ай бұрын

Many/Most fire trucks across North America are multipurpose. Across the US and Canada, they carry pumps, saws, various forcible entry equipment, vehicle extrication and water rescue equipment, Advanced Life Support equipment, and basic rope rescue gear.

@FuriousTheGeorge 8 ай бұрын

What is this comment? Are you implying American firetrucks are NOT multipurpose?

@u686st7 8 ай бұрын

North American fire apparatus is lot more customized than their European counterparts. Most are one-of-a kind unless it's an order for multiple trucks from a big city.

@jordanabendroth6458 8 ай бұрын

@@mainStream-userwhen your house is on fire, the last thing you're gonna care about is how expensive the fire truck was. Considering how much money most governments waste on useless crap, I'm all for our fire departments having the nicest trucks they can get

@jimmy22334 8 ай бұрын

@@mainStream-userwhat a stupid ass comment lol