Turn one, one of your infantry goes off screen and I realize there’s a full column that we’re never going to see for the rest of the video

Mangs's picture looking like he's now on TikTok singing about icecream after he got indoctrinated by Panzergraf

Playing against Grit always feels like you are losing until you win.

You know somethings wrong when asking if the long range commander or the naval commander has better naval units is a serious question

Hi! Map maker here, im glad you like the map, its actually inspired from Viridia Aqua (an VoA’s map nonetheless) If you enjoy Naval map, I would suggest China’s Containment - one of the pure naval hell to play on.

When I did some island maps in the war room against the AI a while back, I realized just how good Grit was in naval warfare. Naval battles are fought primarily with the big guns of the battleships, with cruisers and submarines acting merely as screens against enemy subs. Moreover, he doesn't have to rely on naval units for coastal defences, since his rocket artillery has the same range as a battleship, at almost half the cost, and without the need for escorts. Edit: on a naval map like this, where land battles are going to be somewhat rare, building an endless stream of cheap units (infantry are obviously an exception) like artillery doesn't make sense, since battleships can completely zone them out. You do need some of them, but Wolf is certainly spending way too much money on units that are useless against ships. The minute you build a battleship on the west flank and he didn't respond with anything, he set himself up for disaster.

Woah, such a huge map. I love seeing maps that tend to have lots of naval combat which can sometimes be rare

I find high funds tier list so funny, flak, normally a tier 4, is going against Javier, normally a tier 1, in tier 3

Mangs to his soldiers when sending them into artillery range just to keep them occupied: Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

Grit: "If you throw another Typhoon at me... I am gonna lose it." Drake: *Typhoon*

This map is literally how a naval battle would play out in Mongolia Yes, Mongolia has a navy, and its literally on a tiny lake Flak : *WHERE IS YOUR GOD?*

"It's so wide! It's so big!" -Mangs, 2023

The more advance wars I see the more I’m convinced the real power of global damage is it never gives your opponents power. Grit was trading snipe attacks for Typhoons that’s a bad trade. Also Grit is a small map, or one front map CO the parting the battlefield the less impactful his toolset is.

most right column and bottom row is cut off

My favourite Naval CO Eagle

Sensei Isn't very strong in this map, Because it's very choky. Kanbei on the other hand can be quite insane

All the mangs infantry that i saw. (preventable infrantry deaths) 12:06 An infantry death is not worth 1hp damage of an artillery. Especially in high funds. Infantry could have moved to the position where the tank is. 15:23 There was no reason for the 5 hp infantry to stay at the property 16:31 There are so many artillery there. He only needs to keep one in the area to lock down that property. Artillery locking down one property is a good strat. 17:16 the join cap already cost you an infantry on the com tower. I dont min the island infantry there though. It sacrificed itself so the other infantry can get the cap. 20:30 He would have not capped that com tower that turn anyway. There was no reason to put your own infantry there. 23:40 You could have waited with the cap one turn. You knew he would pop snipe attack there. All it did is give those two artilleries two targets. 23:55 same reason as above. Granted here I see more of a reason, cause grit doesnt want his aritllery to stay there. But I still think that was not worth it. I count two preventable deaths even if there are 4 infantries that died there. 24:07 That infantry could have accomplished the same by just moving one tile forward on the road. 30:44 I was sure that two infantries would die here, but the Opponent had other plans, so only one died a preventable death. Also notice how the one hp rocket tried to interrupt the capping infantry of mangs but dealt 0 damage. Lucky mangs. 30:49 that infantry willingly walked into rocket range. 31:57 Thats not what I wanna hear. That will bite you D: 32:27 Death number 1 32:34 Death number 2 32:52 Death number 3. Threee preventable deaths that turn 34:44 4 whole intantries that were target practice for grit. Also note of the Battlecopters, while two of those are debatable deaths, one was definitlely a blunder 35:55 I dont think the opponent wants to move that much forward there. He is comfortable in that position 36:35 Congratz to that infantry surviving 3 turns. The opponent just had better targets before. But that infantry was doomed from the beginning. 36:51 Two infantry died here. One is the classical mangs infantry 39:10 that infantry and that tank were very ballzy 40:27 Meatgrinder strikes back. There is also a classical mangs infantry 24 preventable infantry deaths. One might ask themselves why it wasnt reflected in the unit count that much? Three main reasons: (1) Mangs built way more naval units than grit (2) Mangs also built more air units than grit. Granted I would argue both didnt built enough battlecopters on that map. I personally would have popped battlecopters each turn. The copters that did make it to the frontlines were very useful. Same for grit. (3) most importantly grit base locked himself on the east most base for half the game. He could have way more artilleries and rockets in the east if he didnt do that. It hurt his unit count by a lot. Overall an interesting match. But I feel like despite you playing drake, focusing on building air units and not throwing them at cruisers would have accomplished more. GG.

mangs we cant see the most right line of the map

I havent really played this game since I was a kid when I was obsessed with it, but I found your content some time ago and it got me interested in designing maps on awbw. It's a lot of fun, even though they don't get many plays. A few of them got ranked though!

Very fun to watch. Thanks for sharing the battle and to your opponent as well :)

7:26 No Grit's Rockets for some reason have 7 range, which is very odd. That is bigger than the Battleship's range of 6.

This map its very cool. Nice to see naval units in play. I would love that bridges counts for naval units, that would help a lot for adding those units into games.

GG That was a fun match to watch. Damn Grit looked scary so many times. Those Typhoons though... One thing I would love to watch is a full match to its conclusion instead of a resign. I know it was over, maybe I watch to many AI games? I dunno I find the routing or HQ capping fun. Though vs a human would probably get annoyingly stally.

Glad to get more AW content, loved the AI emblem but your AW commentary is great too!

So much fun to watch!

I am a little confused, at 7:26 Mangs counts the range of Grit's rockets (he says 5) but my count it is actually 7. I thought Grit only got plus 1 range so it should be 6 for rockets, right? Edit: Ah OK, at 17:52 he mentions it is just a bug in the replay viewer.

Fun match! My observation is that high funds completely changes the dynamic between COP focussed COs and SCOP focussed COs. The sheer amount of units/funds on the map evidently shown in this game means power costs are kind of irrelevant as I think there were more Typhoons than Snipe Attacks? Or at least equal amounts... and Typhoon is obviously significantly better than Snipe Attack!

Holy shit!!! Amazing match!!! Tbh I thought Grit were going to win this match due to the great indirect attacks but I really play excellent with Drake, you show me some oportunit against him haha It will be amazing if you can play the "Twin isle" Warroom using a character of Tier 3 or 4 of AW2 (I tried to use that but I could never win that Challenge, until I use Colin (bc I rage and use an OP CO) and I still got a "C Rank" haha...

What a great mashup!

Imo, a map with a good balance for navy and land units are the best AW maps (instead of just having like, you know, 2 sea tiles next to a harbour in the corner of the map like most maps on AWbW do)

the real question isn't "who has the better battleships" it's actually "who has the worst battlecopters"

Never getting tired of the mangsmath

You said it right about him not building landers. If he'd built a lander near his north base and ferried a few rockets through he could've baselocked your docks which would've been a huge boon.

Mangs, the thing with Drake's Supers (or anyone with similar props Super like Hawk and Olaf maybe?), is that the more it is used, the more devastation it will cause. Di for instance, that first Typhoon is not going to di much yet, because how so little the big guns are, but the more and more the opponent makes more big guns with those remain in field, the following uses of Typhoon will devastate EVEN more than last, so yeah those Supers popped will damage the units that had been since day one up to 8 HP. It is so good the values of this super are, ngl

That was indeed a treat

I think instead of win on timeout (the way chess does it), if you run out of time, your turn is over and your next 3 turns your units do nothing. Then you play as normal while getting the increment of your skipped turns. Now in chess, you can't just not take your turn, that would be illegal. In AW, you can sit around doing nothing.

Gritting is a term i use for going nuts with artillery because of advance wars. He gritted hard but not quite correctly.. Artillery in this case was better then rockets due to mobility also he didnt build a single carrier which would have kept those battle copters out of the way. even if kept in back.. he has the range. But it was a good battle. Honestly i even use drake a ground commander.. Boats or no. his rain is brutal.

Naval battles are rare in AWBW but they're awesome

i wonder if it's better for naval units to be used by being deployed manually in high funds or given at the start as predeployed units

It was smart for him to buy the APC as he is up against Drake and he needs that resupply

I don't understand why your opponent suicides his artillery to your battleships on day 9 (right side of the map). If he had not done that, next turn he could have place 2 rockets and that same artillery in range to attack your battleship. If the battleship does not move, he can position the artillery in such a way that it locks both your base and port, while threatening your battleship. From there I think you would lose that front pretty quickly.

The answer is Max in AW1, because it's OHKO when it comes to transports because at %90 like normal there's a %90 percent chance it won't kill the thing and will allow your sub to be highlighted and targeted by everything next turn 🤐

mangs, why don't you start the turn at 37:41 with capping? the comtower you capped could add in some units being destroyed.

Ayyy it’s my boy commander! Still waiting for our 1v1 on rust. Love, The Ghurd

It's rosa the sea otter's birthday

Great video Mangs!! Spoilers ahead: So all naval advantages aside, I just really think Grit is extremely overrated, like you say in this video, and it's true in almost every match, despite the 1000 dollar cheaper cost, Artillery are much more valuable and important to grit than tanks are to anyone facing him. Let alone the fact that if the terrain allows it, you can counter artillery with Recons. I personally think people just fear Grit out of what whoever made the tiers with extremely limited knowledge said. Remember, the tiers have been the same even before AWBW got popular (undeniably thanks to Mangs, ofc), so the CO valuations are absolutely flawed, now that the scene is actually competitive there's a lot better strategies that have been forming, and it definitely should follow to have a reasessment of the tiers. Also you can see here in this replay how sniperwolf really just played "as grit" basically building NOTHING but indirects, and with the dumb idea that just having a blob of indirects makes you invulnerable. I hope people realize that Grit is overrated and characters like Hawke are underrated.

I wish there was a way to play drake in Days of Ruin. The expanded navy would be a lot of fun with him.

It's laughable when the *Naval Commander* has worse naval units than Grit. Also, where the hell is Bangs, why do you keep him in your basement?

Yohoho everyone let's get sailing

I noticed that when you resized the map, you cut off your airport. I thought this map only 1 airport, and i was wondering where the battlecoppers were coming from.

Are you going to do a video on your round 1 tournament match?

Grits rockets are actually displayed as 7 range. Which is wrong. 5 range of the rockets plus Grits +1 should be 6 range.

I tried to make this map in the Reboot Camp design room, but it seems like AWBW has some different rules about what terrain can be placed where. It wouldn't let me create beaches or shoals in the places this map has them, which is unfortunate. I can create other AWBW maps in Reboot Camp though, which is good for practicing.

UH, Grit chads? I'm getting a sinking feeling!

Drake should have increased attack power with his navel units and Grit's daily power and CO powers should only affect his ground ranged units.

shoulda built a bomber and sent it north. sure, its a Drake Bomber but,, what does grit do about it? build an equally expensive fighter and fly it across the whole map? force grit into another missiles? just that bomber locking down your north east corner and you immediately force delay his pressure there, if not entirely halt it.

Mangs trying not to cover up the map (mission impossible).

Up!

Mangs droooooling over the WIDEST map he's ever seen 🤤😳😈🥵

Hello I am new. I am looking to get into this game how download how stream thanks.

I lost here as Kanbei vs Sturm if I remember right.

Grit has long range but drake power has even longer range

I can't believe Mangs won by sacking units it's what we can in the biz, a power(charge)move

Draw is a draw. Disapointing we couldn't crown a winner. 😁

ah yes, the classic "day 18 after using power to push and making most attacks com tower capture"

Idk who?

Those two subs are larping as Evergreen.

Grit got bullied proper here. Also, what was AWBW team smoking when they had Grit in bottom tier for HF?? In some maps maybe, but that was ridiculous that he was allowed to dominate bottom tier for so long lol

i think his mistake was to not build any subs and not enough copters to deal with your sea unit

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If this were AW2 Drake, the results would be different.

Spoiling a 43 minute video in the first 30 seconds, but i'm here for it!

Global Damage is OP.

I'm commenting before watching the video so I can predict that drake wins. Putting aside potential interference from land or air and ignoring human error, drake would win any day in a naval battle against grit. The only thing grit gets on the sea is a buff to one of the worst units in the game (or at least one of the hardest to use), which is immediately mitigated by drake's naval defence buff and his increased movement allowing subs to slip past.

Why is Javier only Tier 3? There are two guaranteed Comtowers on the map, so he gets +20 defense for nothing and as shown in the video, you can grab one of your opponents towers and then have +30 defense. With two towers and his 3 stars normal power Javier gets +40 defense and +80 against indirects. With 3 towers he gets 60 defense and 100 defense against indirects. Why is he listed as Tier 3 then?

1100+60000-30000=61100-30000=31100 in repairs, not 29

I wwonder if increased movement AW2 drake or dual strike increased firepower drake is better. Increased defense isnt really that useful for naval where most ships take huge ammounts of damage already.

Where 👏 is 👏 the 👏 waifu 👏 survey 👏 result?

Is the Reboot Camp dead?

You don't say half-island in English, for some reason they prefer Latin for that.

Combining units as Grit is pretty bad honestly; you need as many shots as possible because the majority of your force can't move and fight simultaneously.

Nice earbuds. Gay mangs confirmed?

Letting the timer run out instead of just surrendering is the most unsportsmanlike thing you can do in AWBW. You're just spiting the winner by wasting his/her time when they could have already gotten another League match going. Also, picking Grit in an HF match (as well as Sensei) is and will always be one of the dumbest things you can do in AWBW. Grit doesn't do well in HF because the enemy can simply do 2 things: first easily build units to counter Grit's indirects (air unit spam, Neotank spam, submarine spam), and second, anything Grit kills is easily replaceable, making any kills with his indirects less valuable and impactful to the fight. Doesn't matter if you kill 3 tanks when 4 more plus several infantry are coming in to replace them. This became evident in the middle to later parts of the match when Mangs kept throwing units into the meat grinder (the 2 side by side ports). Doesn't matter if Grit kills them when more are coming in to replace them.