Nooo tommy was fear ful gangster....his fear of Paulie jimmy evident ..he masks it acting wild ..why he fears Jimmy & Paulie ..cause those 2 are super evil .... 24/7....Paulie top evil

His brother was a rat

Tommy desimone had an uncle and grandpa who were both boss of the Los Angeles mob

I read that book too . I believe it was his Brother who was either a Rat or a Gangster that got Killed

TOMMY AGRO KILLED TOMMY AND ONE OF TOMMYS BROTHERS

Pesci and DeNiro, along with Liotta, carried the movie together. Every scene those actors were in, alone or together, was phenomenal. Their acting was so natural and weirdly warm in a messed up way that I wanted to be part of their world. It's a great movie alongside Casino and Godfather.

Yes I can absolutely believe it, but not because he wasn’t great in Goodfellas. You see, people are weak, ignorant-tipping-into-stupid, unoriginal, cruel, petty and, above all, jealous. Any award that is given away through a majority-vote is automatically, and forever, suspect anyway; don’t ever trust a human’s “opinion”. Ray is acting in god’s theater now. The audiences are much more appreciative. Wish someone had had that talk with me when inwas a kid…sigh…

But that's not an academy award....the other actors are what made the movie, not him.

De Niro and Pesci weren’t iconic in their roles or what??

Ray was great but definitely didn't carry the whole movie on his own... the whole cast was full of really good actors....oh and a HOF director

And his body has never been found. Also, didn't DeSimone (Tommy) sexually assault Paul Vario's wife while Paul was serving prison time with Henry and others (as depicted in the film)?

@@fiacomic I think it was karen who was assaulted by tommy

Jim Campbell, wrong , heard the truth from guys who ran with those guys, had nothing to do with Batts.

@@TheLousalvador Well then, I guess your hearsay trumps what guys who were named in the movie said--Henry Hill and Michael Franzese.

@@fiacomic It wouldn't surprise me if Tommy's body was somewhere in 'The Hole' in Brooklyn, (Gotti's body dumping ground) although his body could have been disintegrated with a lime burial.

All the little lines too.. like just before they killed Murray he was talking about point shaving in college basketball- Boston college . And the DA prosecutor for Henry was an alumnus of - Boston college. Also at Henry and Karen’s wedding there is some similar discussion. Interesting note - one of the people in the restaurant roll call scene is an old wealthy man living in Las Vegas.

I noticed that too. Henry never committed any serious crimes...at least not in his eyes. He was just a guy looking to be a somebody in a world of snooks.

That's obvious pretty quickly to anybody who's ever watched an interview of the real Henry Hill. Somebody also said the movie portrayal of the real Paul Vario was also way off.

@@BrandonLeech I think it's safe to say that the movie made ALL of the characters more sympathetic for two reasons, for one thing it is told from Henry's perspective and Henry did, in fact, genuinely like them. But the truth is, if they showed them for who they REALLY were, nobody watching the movie would like any of them. You have to on some level like the characters, particularly the main characters, or else the movie will flop. But yeah Vario was pretty heinous. He even had an affair with Hill's wife when he was in prison (allegedly).

@@voteZDLR Joe Pesci's portrayal of whoever that real life guy was, was actually pretty accurate from what I've heard. A vicious, unstable and cold bloodedly violent guy with a temper problem. The kind of guy you WOULD make a movie about and who WOULD end up getting wacked in real life.

Like when he shot Spider

Actually he committed six murders in total. He murdered a total stranger named Harold Goldstein on a whim, he aided Jimmy Burke in killing William "Billy Batts" Devino, shot Michael "Spider" Gianco (the young bartender), strangled Burke's friend Dominick Cersani for snitching, beat to death a warehouse foreman he and a friend were trying to intimidate, and shot to death Roland "Foxy" Jarothe (this killing is what probably got him murdered by the Gambino family, because Jarothe was also made, and John Gotti was his good friend.)

@@petergray7576 Was Goldstein the guy he shot from the car as Henry was driving? Just completely random...

@@monroetoolman Based upon him. Although irl Tommy and Henry were actually walking, not driving, when the former shot Goldstein. According to Henry Hill, Hill told DeSimone after the shooting "That was cold blooded, Tommy!" To which DeSimone replied "Well, I am a mean cat."

@@petergray7576 He also killed Stacks and Morrie, at least in the movie. And he probably did kill Stacks in real life too.

They're all disgusting pieces of human garbage who we need to stop glamourizing. Scorsese goes out his way to cover up their disgusting behavior because he's a monster apologist. They're all garbage

@@christianmendozatapia295 he shows how the mob really is. He’s not glorifying them, quiet the opposite actually.

@@australian2 he made sure NEVER to mention none of the characters smashing Karen because he knew audiences would hate them for it. They're disgusting pieces of human garbage and they all got what they deserved in the end. And Scorsese is an Italian gangster apologist

@@australian2 lmao, did you even watch Goodfellas? If you have any clue about the real story and what actually happened, how in the world could you say he didn't glamorize it?

No respect, either...

Not to mention he clearly will rat to save his own ass

Pauli wouldn’t go to the Gambinos with a hunch.. Remember, another family was pressuring Paulie, and it wasn’t Pauline’s garbage to dispose of..

It ain't that deep. He was just playing by ear.

I think they just put two and two together tbh, it would have been obvious that it was probably Tommy and given his reputation as being out of control, they could have just easily justified taking him out unilaterally. I feel like that's the way it's presented to us in the movie.

Henry said he disappeared because that's all that was being said about Batts. That he disappeared. He's just repeating what everyone else can't come to the conclusion over.

And when Tommy gets whacked, Henry says, "it was payback for Batts, and a lot of other things."

but tommy desimone was 6'2" and 200 lbs so he was small but heard he had a bad attitude.

But in real life that's not what happened Tommy killed Batts 2 weeks later after there fight in the bar

@@coleycole420 For mobs thats as good as happening the same day. It also happened in the bar and they did a messier job on real life hiding the body, they had to relocate it at least once and posibly twice.

@@metadeth578 6'2 isn't "small" that man tall as hell. Or doing you mean "small" as in a small time mobster ?

At the time, he was with jimmy, and was protected.

Agreed! What good is a guard dog that hurts what it's supposed TO guard?!

Tommy probably thought he was untouchable but in that game no one is untouchable

he was a legacy…his grandpa and uncle were the heads of the LA family so they had to accept him into their ranks

And he wasn’t.

Also wanted to make Henry not seem as much of a sell out. He knew about the affair in the real world and he used it to pressure Paulie into favourable acts

Thats ok! Why does the man always have to look like shit while the ho gets a pass? Whats up with that?

she had to feed her kids. the mob was not taking care of her when Henry went down.

@@rondaallen7211 oh they were all taking care of Karen.

@@marklupo3441 yup. she was passed around bigly. that's why Tommy thought he could just jump her.

Tell more about tommy please

Yes, please tell us more or make a video, it's really fascinating !

If you Kew him he was an asshole drug addict bully period

Was he funny to you, did he amuse you, like a Clown? How the F*** was he funny?

What drugs did he do

Yep tell the Gambino's to kill him

I could be wrong but somehow I got the idea that Phil Leotardo did 20 years. I think he might of said it once, not sure 😁

@@ChinDulles There's a rumor to that effect, however because he never directly references it, we'll never know.

@@ChinDulles I wish Phil would have told us how many years he did in the can , from my guess it can't be more than 19

@@ChinDulles Yeah, Ive heard rumors about that. I always thought it was corn he was talking about though, "20 fucking ears" or something. I dunno, maybe I heard wrong.

@@MomMom4Cubs at least he didn't have to make any comprises🤣

😂😂😂

Best line is "I'm a good shot, what do you want from me"

I love that part! I’ve said it randomly for years, it really is my favorite part. I’ve later reflected and wondered if it’s where I got my ideas about women like her. 2R-Rossi

But paulie said "Her especially".

From what I had read the Paulie from Goodfellas was nothing like the Paulie in real life. The real Paulie was a disgusting pig and a complete slob of a human being. Sounds like the real Paulie moved up in spite of himself. Apparently he raped Karen as well. The real Jimmy the Gent was quite a nasty POS too.....

That's not true. I refuse to believe that. You are a liar and that can be even seen in your face.

KAREN was a KAREN and Paulie (who may be having an affair with her) knew how as a boss not equal he could tell her he was gonna lay down the law

I think you are exactly right. When he says “especially her”, he just means he knows her well enough to know how to reassure her. I do not believe the writers intended to imply that he was having an affair with her.

those witnesses would tell their bosses about this squabble as soon as possible. in real life Tommy DeVito killed Batts only after two weeks they had argument so no one could witness it. in the movie he killed Batts the same night.

Spoderman

Dude was a made guy with the Gambino family an a member of John Gotti's crew

@@skimaskthefinesselord Batts was a childhood friend of Gotti's he wouldnt have cared if Batt's crew were only speculating about who they thought was the killer. Its even rumored Gotti dropped the hammer personally.

Tommy was muscle? Tommy was 5 foot. He was only brave with a gun or knife. Couldn't fight to save his life.

I thought the same thing tbh

Yeah, and when Paulie asks Henry about Batts and Henry tries to play dumb. Paulie obviously didn't believe him and knew they had something to do with it. No snitch was needed either to off Tommy.

​@@reviewheroes2376😅 of course. Most of this videos are full of shit. He assumes so much things for no reason

What you saw was a movie.

@@thehusketeers4319 No shit, the video is about a movie.

Yup. The goal was to cause trouble, then when the owner asked for Paulies help, Paulie would take half the business so the good fellas would stop causing trouble. Then once they sucked the business dry, they burned it down and collected the insurance money. Paulie was a master at extortion lol

The guy rambled for 8 minutes without saying anything

Agreed. Regardless of whether or not Paulie instructed Tommy to wreck havoc in the bar and not pay the tab and whatever else, Paulie saw the opportunity to extort the owner - free of charge.

Which would be absolutely ridiculous in real life.

Wow 😮

😆

Anthony

Ranting to Jimmy but yeah, your comment is on point.

vario knew they killed batts. When Paul vario was screwing karen, I guess tommy tried to rape her. Vario gave up tommy.

@@maratonlegendelenemirei3352 Yep. You're right. I meant ranting to Jimmy. Edited and fixed.

Yh I was just about to say it was Gotti that killed him am sure there's a podcast on KZfaq sum were were an ex mafia guy tells the story

DeSimome was killed by Tommy Agro, a soldier in the Gambino family. He killed his brother too

Good health insurance if your a made man though.

They paid them well.... in lead...

lol

there is no retirement plan the rule is YOU COME IN ALIVE AND YOU GO OUT DEAD. capiche.

This guy will come up anything to fit his own narrative. You can do this with most movies. Even scorsese hasn't thought about who switched on tommy

'Busting his balls" mean they were joking with him or making fun of him not demanding action.

I've reread that second sentence a dozen times now and still can't make sense of it.

Yea cuz batts was suppose to be untouchable but Tommy didn’t care

They didn’t show it because the film is from Henry’s point of view and he wasn’t aware of the affair at the time

@dspsblyuth they didn't show it because they just got divorced and there kids would have found out they were grown at the time.

@@williammatthews7252 the film is from Henry’s point of view. Can you think of a single scene without him in it or in proximity to where it happened or the scene turning out to be what someone is telling him? He didn’t know about the affair at the time the film takes place so it wouldn’t be in there

I’d say the film is from Henry’s prospective but a couple scenes that stick out in regards to him possibly not knowing the truth: Karen almost getting whacked by Jimmy at the end(speculative) and Jimmy first deciding to not kill Morrie, but then killing him anyway after

This web of relationships is super sloppy holy shit, the good ole days aye?

Very unlikely.

That is the whole point of that scene, so whatever Pauline says about Tommy is a part of the con to get control of the restaurant. Now, Tommy’s assault of Sonny may or may not have been “all part of the plan”, but it was taken as an opportunity. What Pauline says to Henry should hold more weight bc Henry is a part of the crew and Pauline would be more forthcoming with his personal thoughts/feelings

That's what I always thought. In the restaurant after Tommy assaults Sonny and the kid that was afraid to bring the check Tommy turns to Henry and says 'you're supposed to being doing this too'. And in the book 'Wiseguy' Henry pretty much describes it as a setup for a shakedown. That's why Sonny asked Paulie to be his 'partner' because once that happened he knew Tommy would no longer behave in such a manner in an establishment that Paulie had a piece of. And then they later ran up the business's credit and burned it down to collect insurance money. Sonny probably didn't get a dime of the insurance.

@@westyraviz did you not watch the movie? Tommy caused trouble and Henry was the one who talked sonny into talking to Paulie about making him a partner. Henry even says "tell him what we talked about" right before sonny asked Paulie to be a partner. Than they proceed to bend sonny over and rack up the credit cards and insurance scam for 100% profit. Sonny was gonna file for bankruptcy so they baisically make a fuck ton of money with no strings attached. It was a common scam for mobs.

That's a practice called a "bust out". Harassing the owner and patrons, owner runs to mob guy asking for protection, mob guy gives "protection", but essentially drives the establishment into debt, eating the owner alive financially.

So that explains the lack of remorse Henry showed at least in the movie when naming Pauly in court. What about Jimmy though? Is there an underlying beef Henry had with Jimmy that we weren’t shown in the movie? To me it’s weird that Henry showed no remorse when naming Jimmy in court especially how high he once regarded Jimmy.

@@mikesmith4156 Jimmy was planning on killing Henry. Henry knew it was either kill or be killed. Jimmy died in 1996 from cancer in a prison hospital.

@@mwroberts That explains it and thank you for the reply

@@mikesmith4156 Also anyone that was seen being risky by blowing through money or being flashy after the heist would've put them in jimmy 's crosshairs..Henry fit the bill!!

@@minorsnow5306 Henry was buying everything in sight. Cars, Clothes, Giving up cash for shopping sprees for his wife and mistress. He was loud as well as the rest of them. Jimmy was going to kill anybody that put him in jeopardy of being caught and arrested for the Lufthansa heist. In that game, your either a wolf or a sheep literally!!! (Training Day reference I know lol)

Well, Tommy was going to kill him anyway. The man had an uncontrollable temper. That just gave Jimmy a reason to encourage Tommy to go through with it and help him.

Irish or not i find it hard to comprehend why burke and hill were'nt both whacked as well. it could only mean that burke and hill maybe didnt have anything to do with batts murder. believe you me if burke and hill had been involved in whacking a made guy they would have gone as well big earner or not, THE RULES ARE THE RULES.

​@@trinihammer Since it was Gotti and Agro that killed Tommy, I think it’s more likely they didn’t find out. I seriously doubt Gotti would have been satisfied with just killing Tommy. If he knew Hill and Burke had a connection to the death of Bats, he would have killed them. It’s possible that whoever tipped the Gambinos off about the death of Billy only knew Tommy was involved. He was the most likely suspect, since a ton of people witnessed their confrontation at the party. Perhaps once they confirmed Tommy did it they stopped investigating and didn’t dig deeper. Or perhaps the the Luccheses just wanted to be rid of Tommy. He was clearly a liability, a loose cannon far too quick to kill and cause a scene, and about as subtle as an elephant at a tea party. The mafia prefers to keep a low profile, do their crimes without attracting too much attention. That’s how you stay out of prison. The fact that he killed Billy would have been the perfect excuse to get rid of him, as the killing would have been justified under the rules of the mob. Plus, he technically was the min killer. Burke and Hill just helped him. They were accomplices, not the main killers. Perhaps the Luccheses just didn’t want to lose three associates at once, so they withheld some information from the Gambinos. The Gambinos were simply given the name of the one who planned and was the primary figure that killed Billy Bats. Killing him was Tommy’s idea. He plotting the death, he was the main attacker. Billy’s death lay primarily on his shoulders. There was also the fact that Burke had been running some of Billy’s rackets while Bats was in prison. Perhaps keeping Burke alive meant that the Luccheses didn’t have to give that business back to the Gambinos. As for Hill, he was still making money for the Vario Crew, and he knew how to keep his head down, though there is evidence they were planning to kill him for being a drug dealing junkie. They may not have planned that until later, however, as Hill’s addiction became worse and his value as an associate diminished. That just left Tommy, the man primarily responsible for the death of Billy, the loose cannon, the troublemaker who would kill people over the slightest provocation. His inability to control his temper and his recklessness meant he was unworthy of being made despite being of purely Italian descent, and he would clearly be a liability if he kept doing stupid things like killing Bats and Spider, as well as the other people he killed, which included a Gambino associate. He made a number of other mistakes as well. All this made him bad for business, and someone who would need to be dealt with at some point. Why not have the Gambinos take care of him? He killed both an associate and a Made Man of the Gambino family without being ordered to or even having the permission of the Luccheses, His violation of the rules was justification for his death, and the perfect excuse to get rid of a reckless man who could call too much attention to their criminal activity.

They still set him up to be killed at Jimmy’s club those two weeks later. I remember learning the true story, and it would have been an unbelievable movie due to how stupid and shady these guys really were 😂

I was about to say the same thing. It was two weeks later.

yeah I read that in Henry's book Wiseguys, Batts wasn't killed that night, after he insulted Tommy and everyone at the lounge was laughing Tommy mumbled to Henry that he was going to kill that bastard (meaning Batts).

they cut up Tommy's body and dumped the remains in the ocean

Oh shit 😮

Met his match then

I've got the sense, over the years, that hypocrisy is a defining characteristic of the mob.

Part of Gotti's beef with Castellano was that Big Paul didn't attend Neil Dellacroce's funeral. Dellacroce was his underboss, and Gotti's mentor. Not attending the funeral was big time disrespectful. Castellano was under indictment in the Commission case and didn't want to make a public showing at the funeral. Another reason was that Gotti and his brother were dealing drugs, a capital offense in the Gambino family under both the old man and Big Paul, and they were afraid that he had found out.

In real life, the Paulie had an affair with Karen. And Tommy in real life tried to force himself on Karen whilst Henry was locked up.

@@its_rick_james_bich2575 wow... history often mirrors itself. I seen this movie upwards 30x how did I miss that? Haha

@@rikers263 the characters in Goodfellas..obviously based on the Nick Pileggi book..Wiseguy wasn’t entirely truthful. Ray Liotta in the film was likeable and a good earner. In real life Henry Hill (although was involved in heroin selling) wasn’t a great earner and was often drunk and under the influence of drugs..and wasn’t considered a great money maker. There’s questions as to whether he set up the big airport heist, as portrayed in the film. I think John Gotti’s crew took out Tommy, as Batts was part of their crew in queens.

@@its_rick_james_bich2575 it's bad business to go after people not associated with the family they work for. There's rumors John killed Tommy but it's more internal info and no one outside the mafia knows.

@@its_rick_james_bich2575 def agree about the Gotti x Bats. Sammy the Bull was big in my area, even young his name rang bells and going to my friends houses in Bk u often heard alot of stories hence when Goodfellas did come out it was very relatable

Okay, now i need to rewatch the movie

Supposedly Paul Vario did not like Tommy very much. Tommy knew this and kept his distance. This might have been what Scorsese was trying to convey.

This is one of the most noticeable things in the film for me: Paulie will never deal directly with Tommy but goes through Jimmy and Henry. Tommy is always out on a limb.

Yup...he thought from the beginning he was flashy and reckless..not someone he would ever promote.

@@minorsnow5306 So why did he try to years later? 🤣

Jimmy was going to have her killed when he sent her down the street for the dresses.

Lmao 3rd grade logic. Henry ratted on his crew for Karen and the kids. Who makes their kids an orphan over the possibility of someone testifying on stuff they have no real knowledge on. I don't even think legally wives can be called to testify against a husband

they usually cheated on their wives alot and had goombahs

No, Paul Vario did. Vario was fucking Hill's wife while Henry was in prison and took offense when DiSimone raping her around the same time.

The old man who was next to the one who shot Tommy was the one who was in prison cooking. Remember? "Don't put too much onion." Tommy's death was definitely authorized by Paulie.

What scene was it

@@molink3123 I think it the scene where jimmy tells Henry not to worry about maury. it's in the background. I noticed it too, only after having already watched it dozens of times. Lol.

Michael Corleone said in the second movie if I'm not mistaken "These are businessmen and their loyalty is based on that"

its an unwritten rule in the la cosa nostra TRUST NO ONE when the mob wants to set you up to get whacked they get the people most close to you to either set you up to be hit or to pull the trigger themselves.

well, they're trash people who will go to hell

The enormous balls on that guy

Spider was Chris moltisanti in another life.

Now knowing about the affair I can see how people might make that connection, but I agree, I think the affair was left out of the movie to make Karen look innocent and pure. When he says 'especially her' I read that as Karen as an innocent or more like normal lady as opposed to the other wives who knew exactly who they were married to.

@@happydude2163 The affair was not mentioned in the book "Wiseguy" either. It was mentioned in one of Henry's later books. The people who made the movie may not have known about it.

I too, thought Paulie was boss when first seeing Goodfellas, but he was a captain and the 3 mains were mere associates; not even members of The Lucheses. Had to research that through the years for more detail since the movie was vague and I think the movie kinda assumes anyone watching would be more versed possibly, lol. But hey, I was just 14 when Goodfellas came out.

@@qualityserviceexperts9996 he was the boss (capo) of a crew, is my pov. He has to maintain a firm order. He knew about the drugs with Henry, he knew everything. The sausage is in the pan.

@@Nick.random Correct! But Capos cant give permission to do hits to other families. He wouldve sat down with Tony Ducks (Paulie's boss) and Paul Castellano (Billy Batts' boss) to make it happen.

By the way, I love your way of making "the writing is on the wall" so personally relevant with "the sausage is in the pan". That was fucking clever😆

Paulie was a capo, not the boss.

Actually it took place way after the murder. The scene was after they had to move the body. So I was really confused, to why it was included here

That's the movie. They are talking about the real story, not some bullshit movie.

@@Rjensen2 the title of the video and his indication twards events in the movie suggest otherwise. Thats just flat out wrong and that he agreed with your post demonstrates he was caught with his pants down. If hes talking about real life theres plenty more research that could have been done to create a solid conclusion. Partially referencing real life in relation to the movie to back his movie claim is what he did, and its lazy and not well thought out. 🤷‍♂️

They said who snitched not who’s the killer

​@@MrJRD827well in the book it was Paulie

Henry said that he didn't know for certain, but he had heard that it was Gotti

That was planned. They wanted Tommy to cause issues so that they could get this owner to ask for help. That’s why it was Henry that planted the idea. They were all in on it.

@Ceejay ahh, and I guess if you get shot from behind it doesn't matter how big you are...

Yet all the mob bosses in history were small men . Gambino , lucchese , scarfo , Orena etc we’re all under 5’5 and in real life Tommy was 6’2

@@stevec3892 capone was 5'10

It was Tuddy. Paulie's Brother

Vitos favorite position.

"...and dats dat."

Donnie Brasco movie was the most accurate depiction of how the Mafia actually works in real life

JFK airport was Lucchese turf. That was one major clue. 😉

No shit also you butchered everybody's names

I read Henry Hill's book. Billy Batts wasn't ONLY part of another crew, but he was also best friends with "JOHN GOTTI" himself. Billy Batts's body ended up being found in the 2nd location, and when Henry found out, he ended up Snitching because he was fearing for his life. But in the end, John Gotti ended up wanting to kill Henry because Henry was involved in helping out getting rid of the body, which was the real reason why Henry went into the Witness Protection. Jimmy Conway (Jimmy Burke) wanted to end up killing Henry for Snitching.

@@expendabull2331 Oh shit you are talking about Wiseguys? That book? Or some other book maybe that I don't know about. Either way, kind of fascinating and not sure why the movie didn't cover that other than maybe John Gotti was that powerful even at the time of the film being made perhaps? I am pretty sure he was active around the time. Either way interesting stuff, I dunno, what a crazy life to live.

@voteZDLR I am talking about that book. In the end, I kind of felt sorry for Henry's ex-wife Karen. The more Henry got into trouble after the Witness Protection, she started to Obese and ended up in a Motorized Carts.

@@expendabull2331 for real?? I know that he kept fucking up after he got into the program, there's a documentary that goes into at length, but I didn't know that. And yeah I have always felt bad for her. She was a kid when they got together, had no idea how dangerous the life he chose was.

The Mafia ain't gonna care if he Kills Spider . I mean Spider was basically like Murray. He was A Gopher . Just like Henry was when he was Younger only difference was He had Paulie , Tudy and Jimmy watching out for him . Spider had nobody

@@robertrodriguez787 According to Spiders sister he was there at that mob hangout working off a gambling debt. He was a civilian. He was a young kid and a civilian the mob ABSOLUTELY wouldn't have liked Tommy doing that. You forget these guys have sons, daughters, nieces. They have family's. And mob guys aren't supposed to kill civilians like that killing an innocent civilian can get you killed as well. For one it brings down more heat on them and for 2 it's a bad look on them and they take care of their neighborhoods they aren't supposed to be KILLING INNOCENT PPL LIKE THAT.

@@robertrodriguez787 So Spider was NOT an associate of the mob he was just some poor fuck that got in over his head and stood up to the wrong psycho.

@@robertrodriguez787 The mob has serious rules about killing people without approval from a made guy. It doesn't matter if it was Spider or not.