Briefly covering the Battle for Azeroth and talking about the outcome of the conflict. Despite Blizzard confirming some victories who do you guys think got the better end of the war? Also if you haven't checked out the second channel Doron's Academy it will be relaunching very soon. - Second Channel: bit.ly/SecondChannelDoron

Definitely not the players/subscribers lol.

Sylvanas won the war while the Alliance and Horde destroyed each other.The Alliance lost Darnassus and wont be able to fully reacquire the Lordaeron capital city because of the blight.The Horde gets dragged into another war at the whim of yet another evil warchief and now have to remake their political structure to prevent it from happening again. Both sides suffered countless casualties including the loss of their naval forces.Neither faction won this war because this war was ultimately pointless and never needed to occur.

The Alliance won actualy because they defeated Horde in both warfronts, they sunk the Zandalari fleet and they killed many Zandalari boses and king Rastakan, Sylvanas left the Horde and now we have to hunt her in the Shadowlands and Varrok the great Orc general is dead... But the Allies lost a lot of troops in the process and it would be difficult for the N.E to rebuilt their capital.

Everyone lost. I feel like I need a shower after this expansion

I don't like that the Alliance is portrayed as incompetent during the war. They could use their Airships to invade Lordaeron and Orgrimmar.

Alliance won indeed. I was trying to tell this to my in-game Horde friends but they dont wanna listen

I think the Alliance "won", but it was a very terrible victory, and the night elves lost most of their race and civilization, and have yet to get any real resolution or justice. Thanks a lot, guys. :(

Lorewise I'd say that the Alliance won... however in the sense of PvE, the Horde won.

Azerite isn't "no apparent reason" I feel it's pretty big to make a war about control of nuke

4:42 There's my boy.

is it me or when the moment Blackhand died, every major war the Horde (kinda) always lose.

The titans, because they're sitting up there comfortably and leaving all the work to us as usual.

I hate Blizzard. Again they set the Horde as the second villains. They repeated Pandaria ... and people did it.

Alliance also gained a an additional kingdom (Stromgarde) whereas horde didn’t. It took alliance over 15 years to get it back, but now it could mean they can use it to regain Gilneas or even lay siege to Silvermoon should another war begin.

Sylvanas and her loyalist won the fourth war she fed many souls to the maw... so her ultimate goals were met heck even defeat of n'zoth who was the only real threat for her and jailer.

Looks like it will be a good one. Edit: it was as always, good work Doron!

This whole war was just a massive plot armor for Sylvanas honestly and we all HATED it. I'm thankful that we'll finally get to kill her in Shadowlands

Goal of Horde was get rid of Sylvanas, she was the threat of the Horde... I would say strategic victory for Alliance, tactical draw... but deffinitely not pyrhic victory, because it's not really a victory... :D

it was won by the alliance so did the 2 warfronts. it was stated by blizz in the Q&A at blizzcon 2019

If I'm not mistaken, according to follower missions. The Horde never lost control of their various outposts in EK such as Tarren Mill, Revantusk Village, Sepulcher, Kargath, Grom'gol, Stonard and Hammerfall

Why can't Jaina do the circle flashy thingy she did when Sylvanas deployed blight and just make Lordaron at least not usles?

So i was mind controlling the aliance Off cliffs for nothing ?

Lol like manpower ever matters in this game.

I'm not a WOW player, so I don't have a strong sympathy for either side, but if I had to go through with canon information... I'd say the Alliance came out generally in a stronger position than the Horde did. The Alliance won the two massive, main warfronts, securing Darkshore and the Arathis Highlands . And it still had enough strength to send a large army to aid Saurfang and his rebels. This is significant. The Horde also had two civil wars in very close proximity, and the second left the Forsaken fractured and, realistically enough, seen as unreliable in its loyalties by the rest of the Horde. Although both factions are clearly spent, and both took hard hits, the Alliance was better able to tank the hits than the Horde, and the aforementioned Second Horde Civil War left it partially fractured. The Horde has a somewhat stronger grip on Kalimdor and the Alliance a somewhat stronger grip on the Eastern Kingdoms. But while the Alliance retaking Darkshore mitigated the Horde gains, nothing really mitigates Alliance gains. The Alliance also retains the naval advantage, as the Zandalari joining the Horde is negated by Kul Tiras rejoining the Alliance. Not an Alliance win, perhaps, but as a whole, the Alliance end the war in a significantly stronger position than the Horde. Lore-wise, at least.

If anyone cares, the answer is Alliance. At blizzcon someone asked this as a question and the they said Alliance won both battles.

Let's be honest the Horde should stop existing as a faction. What i liked about it is that i saw it as a place where the different persecuted races can go. Their need for survival changing to camaraderie and brotherhood. Bound by a code each race fighting side by side for victory. Now the Horde fought itself splinting into two factions while the Alliance stood united more than ever in MOP. Sylvanas also splits the Horde more or less into two. Loyalists and "traitors". The Alliance again... stood united. As i know it the Alliance was more numerous than the Horde, with all that infighting that faction should stop being a thing anymore. In MOP the Horde are the bad guys. Kidnapping children, destroying nature etc. while the Alliance are always the good guys. There is no gray here. Alliance - good, Horde - bad. Blizzard writed itself into a corner with Anduin. The goody two shoes who always wants to be an angel. They have the draenei - the chosen of the Light and Night elves who protect nature and balance... This faction can't get wrong at this point so if there has to be a war - the Horde will start it... again. I really was a Horde fan but now i am not. It has been ravaged by Blizzard so much that it's hard to believe in it's ideals anymore seeing all this betrayal and backstabbing. Despite the Horde chasing down the "warmongering" Banshee queen they will fight the Alliance again... for some stupid reason making all that effort to make peace, useless. There is zero continuinity. Honestly i think the Horde and Alliance should stop fighting for good and let Alliance or Horde players group and have the freedom to go into their respected capitals. The Horde don't stand a chance agains the Alliance now. Blizz can always introduce a playable third faction that will fight Horde and Alliance. For the Alliance!

A tricky question. Alliance actually didnt do much this war unfortunately. It was mainly Horde. Technically they were the ones who destroyed a whole city and even managed to devastate Alliances Army.

Battle for Azeroth has been an absolute shitshow for the Alliance, both in universe and in meta sense. Starting off with the burning of Teldrassil destroying one of the most beloved Alliance zones and making Night Elves, one of most popular Alliance races, an endangered species. And after that the genocide at Teldrassil was completely ignored and just used as a vehicle for Saurfang's story and Night Elves weren't mentioned for the rest of the expansion. Except for Tyrande who underwent extremely dangerous ritual that nearly killed her to taker her revenge just to in the end lose, actually lose, to Sylvanas' underling and get zero revenge. No victories on screen to the point where devs had to confirm at Blizzcon that, yes, indeed, Alliance had won the Darkshore warfront (and Ashenvale as well but that's even harder to find). And all that so that, in the end, Saurfang could get his Jesus storyline and Anduin could give man co-responsible for burning of Teldrassil his father's sword and stand aside like a good little sidekick. And now Tyrande is getting hit with a villain bat and is called crazy for wanting some justice for her people. Out of universe it was a shitshow as well with devs showing the full extent of their Horde bias with the Allied races. Alliance got fat humans that literally no one will play and will be the new least played race, Draenei with weird tattoos, diaper gnomes, Void Elves that they pulled out of their ass in five minutes just to spite Alliance players hoping for High Elves and Dark Irons. Dark Irons are literally the only requested race Alliance got but even they were never super requested one, just mildly. Meanwhile Horde allied races have been a checklist of everything Horde players wanted, upright Orcs, Zandalari Trolls, Zandalari paladins, Nightborne, FUCKING NIGHTBORNE exclusive to the Horde and Vulpera. Vulpera are literally the first mildly iffy Horde race while on the Alliance side mildly iffy is the best we got. No cool races that would get people to play Alliance, no highly requested Alliance races, no Vrykul that would make Alliance more desirable as a faction and stop the bleeding. That's not mentioning bigger than ever population imbalance in favor of the Horde that rivals the infamous vanilla one that the devs are doing nothing about but adding more cool races to the Horde, exodus of all skilled pvp AND pve players to the Horde to the point where now, I think first time in WoW's history, one faction is absolutely dominant in both pvp and pve and you borderline need to be there for high-ish content for either of the primary activities in WoW, Horde being 99% of the war mode players making world pvp dead for Alliance, Horde getting merc mode to have the cake of being on overpopulated faction and eat it (but pve merc mode, which would benefit Alliance players, is of course nowhere to be seen) etc. Honestly I hope they never do another faction war expansion because if they do I'm not playing it 100%. All the devs, or at least all the lead devs, are hardcore Horde players that openly say they'll never play Alliance and we're supposed to trust them into making fair and balanced expansion centered around war? No thanks, getting invested in BFA was the worst thing I ever did.

Heres what i dont get. While night elves were left off fending for themselves only 50% of their sentinels, the horde is 100% THERE even the horde races from the eastern kingdoms of bloodelves and forsaken!!!! Basing on elegy, it was just 50% night elves vs entire horde! Heck why would the horde races even manage to gather trrroooops... But thats understable since 4 races of horde is in kalimdor. So they would literally have the numbers. But hey again the alliance' assault in Lordaeron all horde is there again!!! How would they amasss the entire horde army of goblins, trolls, orcs, and Tauren in a pace quick enough to match alliance who, in the first place, is IN THAT CONTINENT!!! EVEN FLEEING DARNASSUS ELVES ARE THERE, THEY COULD HAVE JUST ASSAULTED IT RIGHT AWAY, the dwarves, gnomes humans elevs and worgen are already fucking there! And yet they let the horde buy enough time to reinforce lordaeron, its not like theyre brewing a mana bomb or something like garrosh did. The draenei, fuck them, azurrmyst Isle is just a mile a way, why fucking no aid in war of the thorns, and why the fuck is tyrandr MIA the whole time! And fucking mallfurion didn't raise the forest into action like he did when he was awakend in the battle for mt hyjal! They have the terrain anvantage, everyone there in nightelven land is surrounded by trees! Yransforming them into treants would have easily demolished the back lines and just break their lines, imagine all of a sudden all treees are moving attacking... Fucking malfurion who held darkshore single-handedly with a massive tornado, and tyrande who as a priestess can call upon raining starfalls are justsnsjsmzisuskzldxhdjld xhzoznd8sgshsmxis...... Though thats why they won darkshore warfront even with a thinned numbers, add maiev who is also a kick ass

Activision wins as they got to steal our beloved game and keep it on life support because they know there is no other MMO as enjoyable.

TLDR Answer: ActiBliz shareholders walked away with the win. Everyone else lost. Massively.

2:13 I don't think the opposite site of Kalimdor is Eastern Kingdoms, what we see in game is one hemisphere, or maybe just big chunk of it... so I would rather say on the other side of world than side of planet

What I love is how saurfang started the rebellion even though the war of the thorns was his idea. Everything up until the tree burning was his idea.

You nailed it.

Does the Alliance ever lose? Come on breaking the stasis of wow? That would require thoughtful writing

So if blizz say that Ally won, then ally won. its their game... However! Horde are more than likely in the better position. Here is why. In the cinematics Varok and Anduin discuss Sylvanas army and flat out said she currently has the largest army on Azeroth. Then you have the "rebellion horde" and the alliance army. Anduin and Varok said with their combined forces they were still massively outnumbered and they didnt think it was enough, but were hopeful. So lets say worst case scenario type numbers. Sylvanas has 52% of the soldiers on Azeroth. Varok/Anduin 48%. 24%horde and 24% Ally. with a reunited horde their numbers swell to 76% of the remaining fighting force on Azeroth.

I think the alliance won at the end but probably suffered more casualties than the horde. Main reason obviously is because of the night elf home being burned to a crisp. It's honestly surprising how blizzard hasn't made the night elfs or the all the eleven people in general near extinction at this point. Its like how are they still here. Arthas murdered like 80% of the high elevs ( now known as blood elfs) and the 4th war pretty much destroying the night elf home and most of it's people. All elves should be damn near extinct now

Neither. Sylvanas won.

Isn't it obvious all of us! As this expansion is almost over!

Ofc you can replenish manpower within a few years...just build more barracks duh!

Sylvannas won

who won? no one. we all lost

I think the alliance is the winner, but they suffer heavy price. Sure the alliance help saurfang's supporter, but saurfang's supporter only few in numbers than the alliance, and the alliance did the greater fight. So the alliance is the winner. Even though i still think sylvanas is the true winner in this blood war.

Who won? Easy, Blizzard!!

Blizzard lost the war.

The alliance did as saurfang rebellion was on the alliance's side plus it was anduin's sword there won the battle.

The Jailor won :)

Let's be real for a sec. Every single time the Alliance and Horde go to war the Alliance ends up in its last ropes while the horde is doing fine and it's only when the Alliance gets help from inside the Horde (Vol'jin & Saurfang) i.e. Plot armor help that they finally get to finish the war in a draw. Truth be told if the Horde wanted to wipe out the alliance with no second chances, change of hearts or story bs that makes us the bad guys and has us help the enemy then the Alliance would be gone. In BfA the Alliance was down to sending farmers while the Horde still had a massive army. Besides in history nations go to war all the time that doesn't make the one who starts it a bad guy #Garroshdidnothingwrong needing food and lumber to survive and not wanting a hostile enemy in your back yard is a pretty understandable reason to go to war. After all the alliance did make slaves for the Orcs for decades. That's true bad guys stuff right there. The Horde has the best Spell casters the best warriors and the most experienced generals. So to recap The Horde is the winner because the alliance survives at the Hordes mercy. And the true bad guys are the ones who think they're on a holy mission for the light while making slaves of the guys who have a different skin color. FOR THE HORDE!

Friendship?

How are night elves even alive at this point first horde destroyed ashenvale then burning legion did the same to felwood, hyjal and nordrassil then naga killed every remaining elves in azshara coast, then cataclysm happened and flooded whole feathermoon and now sylvanas conquered darkshore and burned darnassus/teldrassil. At this point there should only be like 1000 night elves left.

N'zoth & co. xD

Jokes on you. We all lost

Silvanas win the alliance scared about her power so they united forces with the other horde side to try beating her and in the end everyone loses

Classic

The true winner is sylvanas.

oooga booogaaa

What makes you think the Battle is over? Welcome to The World of Warcraft, I see it is your first day here. That's cute......you think it is over.

Who won? ...Azeroth

Alliance have always been stronger than the horde in the lore

Its funny how the writers are Alliance bias but the playerbase and the rest of the developers are HORDE, Everyone plays horde nowadays and the only thing the Alliance has is just lore and thats it, 66-33 Horde - Alliance ratio is self explanatory with the current state of that pathetic human faction

Who won the battle for azeroth? Blizzard of course

BFA was BS , seriously because of the peaceloving "rebels" the horde became weaker I loved how garrosh and sylvanas wanted the horde to endure by leading them to their deaths but at desame time bolstering their armies the horde byfar is the most strongest or would have been the strongest if it wasn't for the interference of those peaceloving mongrels that called themselves "leaders" cough cough ....voljin cough baine....cough cough saurfang WoW is becoming not interesting and unique because if some of the villains would've won we would have gotten more expansions I had High hopes for the BFA but it was a big disappointment they made thrall dumb and a pussy . Thrall wanted war at ogrimmar while saurfang wanted to sacrifice himself so that there would be no massive casualties

Saurfang won the battle for Azeroth.

So basically Ally won yay

Who cares?

All wow lose.

So you’re entire video summarised in your final sentence, it was a draw? Thanks

In my opinion, the Horde is the main victor. The Alliance has suffered far higher casaulties and has lost more battles than the Horde. And to make the things even worse for the Alliance, without the Horde rebellion the Alliance probably wouldn't have even been able to defeat Sylvanas

Blizzard, because there were millions of dumb ppl (including me) who bought this piece of shit.

activision won blizzard lose

All the Horde fanboys triggered and whining for the most part in the comments lel ( but to be fair not all of them though, some provide some good and solid arguments for their cause). But let's be honest here, lorewise the Alliance was always superior and the Horde kept existing only because there would be no WoW without the other faction. And I don't see why people think that winning a battle/battles is the same thing as winning the war by saying things like the horde destroyed this the horde destroyed that, so what of it? In the end the horde nearly destroyed itself (yet again because they got manipulated), and survived only because the Alliance chose to help the rebelion of the "true" horde and show mercy. The Alliance won the fourth war for sure and beyond doubt and especially if Blizzard allegedly confirmed that, but The Horde survived the war and lives on with new and better leadership so it's not a total lose in the end too!