The highest score point for Playoffs.

Winston format, and 10-man Chase from 2004

The Winston cup points format that was employed from 1975-2003

The revised Latford system from 2007, with 185 instead of 175 points for winner. I revised it again just for fun, with 190 points for the winner, 175 points for second place and the rest like the Latford system. So race winner can get up to 200 points, if he lead most laps in the race. A nice round number.

I really like the Winston format but the current playoff system at the same time

I didn't have him winning a race when I predicted every race winner in January 😭

Could be worse. I had Blaney missing the playoffs this year and he went out and won the whole damn title.

With only 2 wins: Talladega and Phoenix

​@@S.K.R.E.Inc.what about the coke 600

@@stickmanguy5583 Oh, right, forgot about that one. Fox was so CRINGE this year

Blame Matt Kenseth for 20 years of dealing with this nonsense

@@S.K.R.E.Inc. blame Brian France. Kenseth was just doing his job.

@@S.K.R.E.Inc.Why should I blame Kenseth for fairly winning under the most proper system?? I blame Penske and Newman for DNF’ing so much despite 6 wins, so Penske whined to Nascar to force this whole playoff nonsense

The system was exposed in the very first year by Ryan Newman. He didn't win a single race all year, and even worse, he only led 41 laps the entire season. He finished 2nd in the championship by one point. I still don't like 2011 with Stewart/Edwards. I'd rather have co-champions than a tie-breaker used. Edwards was just as deserving, if not more, than Stewart.

​@@jek4837thinking of the 2014-2016 chase grid buddy, hes talking about the wild card chase format

@@jek4837”co-champions” is some early Indycar type shit that would cause riots in the modern day. It would make no sense in any possible way to do that

@@jek4837Blaney exposed the system this year. When he was running he ran terrible, had a bunch of DNF’s and somehow managed to win a title. Kyle Busch exposed it when he missed half the season and won in 2015. It’s a joke.

The Latford system also has a major flaw: Mathematically speaking, it's possible to win a championship without a single top ten finish. If you finish eleventh every race and lead one lap under caution each race, you'll get 135 points every race. In years where no one is particularly consistent (2002 and 2022 come to mind), that would be enough. A ridiculous scenario to be sure, but so is the idea of anyone winning 35 races.

Without a doubt the Latford system isn’t perfect, as you point out. It rewards getting a points lead and then driving defensively to protect it. In other words, why risk going for a win when you can finish, say, ninth and then move on? But the one thing it does reward is consistency. And if that is the metric one uses to define the best driver of the year, then it works remarkably well.

Imo it should be a season long thing, but with the current points system. Do stage points as well, but get rid of stage cautions. And if they really feel the need (even though there isn't) to make some sort of playoff, I agree on a ten driver chase-like system. I'd keep the points system and stage points without cautions, and wouldn't do any sort of "win and you're in" crap; the top ten in points make it, and if someone outside the top ten close enough to the leader they get added as well, similar to the 400 point thing in the OG Chase. The points are completely re-set and the top 10 is tied, while whoever got in on the "close enoygh to 1st without being in the top 10" gets re-set to that points distance (for example, if the top 10 gets put at 4000 points and the 11th guy was 42 behind the leader, then he'll be re-set at 3958 points). And then it's a race till the end.

the system now is to get a gm car to be the champ ONLY

​@@ben10094sure and that worked pretty good huh

Not exactly. MK8 points don't determine championships early like Winston (the same thing that brought them down in 2003), it's all going down to the line at the last race

Mario Kart, lol

Pretty much. And this is all Matt Kenseth's fault for bring the Winston points down with an asinine season 20 years ago. A different champion would have been crowned 2 weeks ago

​@@S.K.R.E.Inc.Not Kenseth's fault; he did ehat he had to do. This is on Brian France and those who were around him as well as Steve Phelps and those in charge right now for not preventing it and changing it, respectively.

All he had to do was pass Blaney at Phoenix to seal the deal

For sure, Jimmie has mostly artificial titles

a hot streak is how Tony Stewart nabbed the 2011 title via tiebreaker over Carl Edwards

@@corbinselanne7990 so?

@@Weezy10580 Carl was in the title fight via consistency despite only one race win at the third round in Las Vegas (exactly how Matt Kenseth won the 2003 Cup title leading to NASCAR creating the Chase to begin with). Stewart, meanwhile, barely qualified for the Chase before proceeding to win five of the ten rounds giving him enough points to match Carl. The tiebreaker that gave Tony the title over Carl was who won more races.

He has.

​@@BaronOBeefDipThat was the opposite; he did 04 to 2016 with the current thing. He also made 2012 without playoffs as well.

I have done a lot of analysis on this, these are who I believe would be the champions each year under a full season points system. Remember, that means no Spingate so Martin Truex Jr. does not go to Furniture Row Racing. This also means Carl Edwards does not retire early. Also, you cannot go by full season points system solely because of guys R&Ding during the Regular Season. This happened a ton before playoff points. Champions: 2004 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2005 Tony Stewart Joe Gibbs Racing 2006 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2007 Jeff Gordon Hendrick Motorsports 2008 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2009 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2010 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2011 Carl Edwards Roush-Fenway Racing 2012 Brad Keselowski Team Penske 2013 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2014 Joey Logano Team Penske 2015 Joey Logano Team Penske 2016 Joey Logano Team Penske 2017 Kyle Busch Joe Gibbs Racing 2018 Kevin Harvick Stewart-Haas Racing 2019 Kyle Busch Joe Gibbs Racing 2020 Kevin Harvick Stewart-Haas Racing 2021 Kyle Larson Hendrick Motorsports 2022 Chase Elliott Hendrick Motorsports 2023 William Byron Hendrick Motorsports So, +1 Championship Carl Edwards +1 Championship Jeff Gordon +1 Championship Joey Logano +1 Championship Kevin Harvick +1 Championship William Byron -1 Championship Jimmie Johnson -1 Championship Kurt Busch -1 Championship Martin Truex Jr. -1 Championship Ryan Blaney -1 Championship Tony Stewart +1 Championship Hendrick Motorsports -1 Championship Furniture Row Racing 2004: Jimmie Johnson beats Jeff Gordon in a nail bighter. One of the best championship finishes ever. 2005: Tony Stewart wins the championship with 2 races remaining in the season. 2006: Jimmie Johnson wins the championship with 2 races remaining in the season. 2007: Jeff Gordon wins the championship with 2 races remaining in the season. 2008: Jimmie Johnson wins the championship with a large lead over Carl Edwards, but doesn't win it until the final race. 2009: Jimmie Johnson wins the championship with 3 races remaining in the season. 2010: Jimmie Johnson wins the championship in a very close battle with Kevin Harvick and Denny Hamlin is kind of close. 2011: Carl Edwards wins the championship with 2 races remaining in the season. 2012: Brad Keselowski wins the championship with a large lead over Jimmie Johnson, but doesn't win it until the final race. 2013: Jimmie Johnson wins the championship with 1 race remaining in the season. 2014: Joey Logano wins the championship with a good lead over Jeff Gordon, but doesn't win it until the final race. 2015: Joey Logano wins the championship with a decent lead over Kevin Harvick, but doesn't win it until the final race. 2016: Joey Logano wins the championship in a very close battle against Kyle Busch. 2017: Kyle Busch wins the championship over Carl Edwards and Kevin Harvick in a nail bighter. One of the best championship finishes ever. 2018: Kevin Harvick wins the championship over Kyle Busch in a nail bighter. One of the best championship finishes ever. 2019: Kyle Busch wins the championship over Denny Hamlin in a very close championship battle. 2020: Kevin Harvick wins the championship with 1 race remaining. 2021: Kyle Larson wins the championship with 1 race remaining. 2022: Chase Elliott wins the championship in a not close battle against Joey Logano, but doesn't win it until the final race. 2023: William Byron wins the championship with a large lead over Denny Hamlin, but doesn't win until the final race.

@@johngronkowski5132 Idk about 2010, 15 and 16. Specially the first year, Harvick was the best driver that season; I could see Logano winning in '15 if you assume the Kenseth feud doesn't happen due to the lack of a Chase. Also, I don't see why Kyle wouldn't have beaten Harvick in '18. Other than that, except for maybe 2008, I agree.

The close championship battles from 1998-present: 2004, 2010, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019

Petty would lose '72 and '74 to Bobby Allison and Cale Yarborough respectively, but he'd take '63 from Weatherly. Other noteworthy differences: Lee Petty wins 1949 (and 1950 if you ignore the ridiculous penalty) Fonty Flock would win 1951 over Herb Thomas. Rex White would win '61 over Ned Jarrett. And Cale wins 1973 over Benny Parsons (actually Benny falls to third behind Petty). Most changes involve who ends up in the top ten in points, since guys who only ran a handful of races would frequently get good point finishes from a great day at Darlington or something like that. The Latford system first and foremost rewards drivers who show up every week, so guys like Herman Beam and Wendell Scott tend to get much better point finishes than they really got.

@@seannolan9857 Thanks for the info!

I'm pretty surehe did a whole video series on this

​@@BaronOBeefDipThat was doing the playoff system in older seasons (mainly the Chase era and a few years before it).

Isn't that what the Winston Cup points system was?

Yes, but in the Winston / Latford system there were only gaps of 5 points (top 6), 4 points (top 10) and 3 points (all other ranks). With the IndyCar points system, the winner gets significantly more points. The distances are not constant. Place 1-2 = 10 points, place 2-3 = 5 points, place 3-4 = 3 points, place 4-5 = 2 points.@@corbinselanne7990

Which one?

@@polycube868 I'd want 64 personally haha

DS all the way

@@S.K.R.E.Inc. Love DS too. And 7!

Yep that's a good one.

Even under the Latford system, Hylton outscored Petty in '66. Though John Sears of all people would have beaten both of them for second. As for points that year, Hylton finished 4th (which was worth third place points because they skipped points-ineligible Don White) at the World 600, getting 3950 points. Petty DNF'd and got 850 points. At the National 500, he lost 2000 points to Hylton, and over a thousand points each at Riverside, the Atlanta 500 and the Firecracker 400.

@@seannolan9857 It's nice to know there is someone else that's aware of the old points system NASCAR had. You seem to have a better grasp of its structure than I could ever figure out. Maybe my ADHD made it difficult to wrap my brain around the Latford points system; as it always seemed odd that a driver could pile up the victories, while another would putter around the track; whereupon that also-ran was within reach of taking the Cup championship.

Not as good as something like the og chase or latford system. But better than what we have now

Keeping stage points and shortening the season to 28 races would be the only way I'd accept going back to full season points...there was just so many flaws about pre 2014 playoffs points systems especially pre 2011 that would eliminate, stage points would encourage drivers to actually race hard the entire race instead of riding around until the last 100 miles, it would eliminate the old practice of giving up the lead to a teammate or buddy to get 5 bonus points then taking back the lead, which only artificially made a race seem more competitive, I'd still want bonus points to the driver leading the most laps...I'd be in favor of using the Latford points system as the basis but using F1 points for the stages, 25 for 1st, 18 for 2nd, 15 for 3rd, down to a single point for 10th, plus 10 points for leading the most laps, meaning the winner could get 235 points for winning, and 2nd get 206, a massive 29 point deficit, eliminating the complaints that the Latford system didn't reward winning enough.

2020 is a bizarre one with different chase systems. Logano wins under the 2004 version, Chase wins under the 2007 system, and Harvick(!) wins under the 2011 system. Only time in the last 52 years that each format gave us a different champion.

@@seannolan9857 did not know that. That's actually super cool and interesting. To me it shows how competitive the field is even though harvick and Hamlin won every week that uear

Good luck to any fans trying to figure out the points battles during the race if anything like this was ever implemented. The whole reason why they simplified the points structure was to make it easier for fans to follow along. I’m not going back to college for a second engineering degree just to calculate how many positions a driver needs to gain to improve their points position

@@bob8776 I see your point. As a number lover, I love following along with points battles and calculating what needs to happen for certain situations, and I do agree that trying to calculate accurate points during the race is going to be brain frying. However, the reason that it’s so complex is because I’m trying to highlight all the aspects in racing that are vital contributing factors and by giving those factors value, it will possibly give more accuracy as to which driver & team is the best. Also, the reason why I’m running comparative formats is to test how well my points system works for both performance accuracy & points battle drama. If it works, then I’ll continue using it, if not then back to the drawing board; that’s the beauty of testing.

I totally understand trying to quantify an entire season’s worth of efforts and I applaud your dedication to factoring in just about every aspect. But it’s still too complex in my opinion, especially the bonuses for a running tally of laps led in ten-lap intervals. Good luck and I hope your brain doesn’t explode calculating points positions next season 😂😂😂😂

@@bob8776 Thnx man. I hope I survive it too, especially with classes. 😂

SVG won a race and placed 10th in another... that's 26pts. Though it's good to see that Hendrick would've won yet another title!

@@klrw1031 Didn't count SVG, only counted full-timers, might end up doing part-timers next year. But yeah SVG had a great run!

@@hypgar8678 Are you telling me then that SVG scored more in 2 races than Austin Dillon did in 36? Good thing he knows his owner!

The close championship battles from 1998-present: 2004, 2010, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019

XFINITY SERIES: DRIVERS: 1. John Hunter Nemechek 2. Austin Hill 3. Justin Allgiaer 4. Cole Custer 5. Sam Mayer 6. Josh Berry 7. Sheldon Creed 8. Chandler Smith 9. Riley Herbst 10. AJ Allmendinger (i) 11. Ty Gibbs (i) 12. Parker Kligerman 13. Daniel Hemric 14. Sammy Smith ELIMINATED IN THE ROUND OF 12: Sammy Smith Josh Berry Riley Herbst Sheldon Creed ELIMINATED IN THE ROUND OF 8: Austin Hill Chandler Smith Daniel Hemric Parker Kligerman FINAL 4: 1. Cole Custer 2. Justin Allgaier 3. Sam Mayer 4. John Hunter Nemechek

TRUCK SERIES: DRIVERS: 1. Corey Heim 2. Zane Smith 3. Ty Majeski 4. Christian Eckes 5. Carson Hocevar 6. Ben Rhodes 7. Grant Enfinger 8. Kyle Busch (i) 9. Nick Sanchez 10. Stewart Friesen 11. Matt Dibenedetto ELIMINATED IN ROUND OF 10: Ben Rhodes Stewart Friesen ELIMINATED IN ROUND OF 8: Nick Sanchez Zane Smith Ty Majeski Matt DiBenedetto FINAL 4: 1. Christian Eckes 2. Grant Enfinger 3. Corey Heim 4. Carson Hocevar

SOME OTHER FACTS: THIS FORMAT INTRODUCES STAGE POINTS IN 2021. In 2021 under this format, Ross Chastain not only makes the playoffs, but goes as far as the Round of 12. Under this format in 2019, Martin Truex Jr. wins the championship Aric Almirola would miss the championship 4 by ONE point in 2018. The 2005 F1-Chase format sees Tony Stewart take the Cup by 1 POINT over Greg Biffle, and only 6 points over Jimmie Johnson

This been NASCAR since 2004. Lot of drivers got robbed of championships because of it

​@@megaflare24...or prospered but not earned (JJ48)...

If only Matt Kenseth didn't win it in 03...

What does that have to do with it. Elliott had won the most races in 2 of his battles came in second. 6.0-6.6 avg finish wins championships

@@S.K.R.E.Inc.we get it, you hate Matt Kenseth’s guts.

24 in 24

I like your idea and may redo 2023 with this experiment. Many WC races had snooze fests until the last 100 miles... this system would keep those drivers awake! 😂

And it's all Matt Kenseth's fault for that. A mid driver took the championship away from the best driver 20 years ago. The same has reapeated this year. Hopefully that's it for playoffs

@@S.K.R.E.Inc. No no Ryan Newman yeah he had 8 wins but he had 8 dnfs that wouldn’t hold up in any format

@@vandrugmand Newman wins under F1 points and the system NASCAR used in 1949. Personally I don't think either Kenseth or Newman were actually the best that year. Kenseth had more 6th-10th place finishes than top fives, and the lowest lead lap percentage of any champion in history (yes, even lower than Rexford's!). While Newman was massively inconsistent with more 30th or worse finishes than wins, and only two of his wins came from a natural on-track lead change. It's a pity driver rating didn't exist yet.

@@seannolan9857 ehh it was one of those years like Benny parsons or terry labonte in 84

Or they could go back to 1974's system and decide the championship in the Daytona 500. NASCAR can and has done worse.

It's the worst way to crown a champion. No one asked for this elimination style format. It's not even a playoff because because 36 drivers are still racing on a weekly basis

@@Tylnorton Exactly. I hate how the playoff loyalists compare NASCAR to stick and ball sports, but won't compare to other motorsports. Hmmmmmm, I wonder why!

@@lemonjuicegaming6551 Right? It's 1 driver vs 35+ other drivers on a weekly basis. And when the fake playoffs happens, there's still 36 plus drivers racing. And it really has not brought any excitement. It's all negative.

@@Tylnorton People seem to forget that you can win a race by sheer accident. You might get lucky once or twice, but you are not going to get lucky 36 times a year. There is just way too many things that can go wrong in motorsports.